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Come Honor Face
04-12-2007, 02:48 AM
Yo I dont know anyone who would say hes the goat. So why do mtv and other media claim he is? I dont think he even belongs in the discussion. I mean he raps about tha same shit every other mainstream artist does so he aint creative. I mean he rarely even spits a decent verse anymore. His early stuff was much better but even then he was a mediocre mc. Now this is not just my opinion Ive asked around and I became really confused about this because apparently not many people think hes that great. Where did all this jay-z goat talk come from? JAY-Z maybe? Enlighten me.

GENERAL WISE
04-12-2007, 02:52 AM
Seriously, are you Goddess???

The Hound
04-12-2007, 02:55 AM
ofcourse his shit is stale ... no more biggie rhymes to bite off anymore ... he used to be my favourite artist till i started discovering his biting habits now i got no respect for him anymore and cant stand him ... as much as i dont like cam'ron, his jay-z diss exposes him hard ... and ive herd plenty of other songs that werent in that diss that he's bit ... how does a biter get the status jay-z has i dont understand it ... if you were in temple of darts here or the battlefield and bit someone youd lose all respect from every member and no one would wanna battle you or read your shit ... so how does jigga get where hes at from biting ...

2pac said it best

FUCK JAY-Z

GENERAL WISE
04-12-2007, 02:57 AM
Jay-Z has Reasonable Doubt which is a 10/10, but i don't understand how anybody can claim hes GOAT or KONY.

ThaGoldenChild07
04-12-2007, 02:58 AM
He's known as the GOAT by the mainstream ONLY. Maybe it's because he went form a rapper to president of Def Jam. Then they thought OMG amazing.

I dont know where all this GOAT bullshit bout him came from that's just my guess. Someone enlighten me too. I'm very curious.

I agree with you 110% percent tho ERICHWV. He hardly ever kicks knowledge or anything close, he was better back then and just like you said he was only decent. Never at Nas' level if u ask me.

ThaGoldenChild07
04-12-2007, 03:02 AM
ofcourse his shit is stale ... no more biggie rhymes to bite off anymore ... he used to be my favourite artist till i started discovering his biting habits now i got no respect for him anymore and cant stand him ... as much as i dont like cam'ron, his jay-z diss exposes him hard ... and ive herd plenty of other songs that werent in that diss that he's bit ... how does a biter get the status jay-z has i dont understand it ... if you were in temple of darts here or the battlefield and bit someone youd lose all respect from every member and no one would wanna battle you or read your shit ... so how does jigga get where hes at from biting ...

2pac said it best

FUCK JAY-Z

Couldn't have said it better.

One track said it all and i'm sure everyones heard.
IM NOT A WRITER IM A BITER......embarassing shit

Kong
04-12-2007, 03:03 AM
he's a great, he's done great things but no way is he the g.o.a.t. or the greatest today.

Rame
04-12-2007, 03:10 AM
He's really good, not GOAT

The Hound
04-12-2007, 03:13 AM
Couldn't have said it better.

One track said it all and i'm sure everyones heard.
IM NOT A WRITER IM A BITER......embarassing shit

the worst part is thats not even half of it ... his biting goes beyond that... biters have no place in hip hop and the day a biter is widely considered a G.O.A.T from REAL HIP HOP HEADS ill give up on hip hop ...

ThaGoldenChild07
04-12-2007, 03:18 AM
Beyond? Dam, thats truly ashame if true. There was at least 5 different rappers he bit off of and some are fukn icons.

I wonder if these rappers even know what up because this is ridiculous.

LORD ZERO
04-12-2007, 03:41 AM
Fuck Dat Biter, Close Thread Lmao

LORD ZERO
04-12-2007, 03:44 AM
Couldn't have said it better.

One track said it all and i'm sure everyones heard.
IM NOT A WRITER IM A BITER......embarassing shit

^^-DEAD-, SOMEONE UP DA TRACK WHERE HE SAYS DAT

The Hound
04-12-2007, 03:55 AM
Beyond? Dam, thats truly ashame if true. There was at least 5 different rappers he bit off of and some are fukn icons.

I wonder if these rappers even know what up because this is ridiculous.

not only icons ... but classic songs ...

LORD ZERO ill up the song for u ...

Come Honor Face
04-12-2007, 03:57 AM
Seriously, are you Goddess???

Who is goddess? Im a man yo! Dont be callin me goddess son!

The Hound
04-12-2007, 04:02 AM
haha you'll find out who goddess soon enough the longe you stay ...

for LORD ZERO:

http://download.yousendit.com/3703C4880A0D8F24 (http://download.yousendit.com/3703C4880A0D8F24)

LORD ZERO
04-12-2007, 04:55 AM
(peepin track) lmao oh man, i never realized he bit DAT HARD -BEYOND DEAD- damn shame....

RAMESH
04-12-2007, 05:03 AM
there will never be a rapper greater than pac

ronaldo6
04-12-2007, 05:27 AM
lyrically big l has to be one of the greatest too

The Hound
04-12-2007, 05:29 AM
there will never be a rapper greater than pac

lol another one of ya best ... pac was good but way overrated since he died ... especially with the filler laced all eyez on me

Come Honor Face
04-12-2007, 05:47 AM
lol another one of ya best ... pac was good but way overrated since he died ... especially with the filler laced all eyez on me

True dat. Pac was lyrically average. He meant so much 2 da game though.
He brought hip hop 2 lots of folks that never bothered 2 listen 2 it before.
For that he is a legend imo.

RAMESH
04-12-2007, 07:54 AM
my quote is wrong it's pac is the greatest comercial/gangster rapper of all time
the last cd i heard of his pac's life was terrible but that was not his choice people are fucking up his legacy but all the old cats respect pac alot of people still listen to his music over here pac is still very big
he brought rap to it's peak in it's greatest era
pac is to rap what bob marley is to reggae

J.T.S.
04-12-2007, 12:38 PM
Fuck even Chuck D called Jay Z the G.O.A.T. in a recent interview i guess the world's ending soon!!

Kenny Powers
04-12-2007, 12:57 PM
Here it is...

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cd
04-12-2007, 01:03 PM
In all honesty, he's the marketing GOAT. that's about it.

Sean
04-12-2007, 01:08 PM
Here it is...

bED9wMqQ1i8

Wow, I never realised he stole so much shit.

J.T.S.
04-12-2007, 01:27 PM
Whoa Cam'ron exposed his ass!

pneumatic
04-12-2007, 01:43 PM
Yeah, he can't deny that.

"I'm just biggin up my brother" LMAO

B.O.N.E.
04-12-2007, 01:59 PM
I heard a gay z song one time he said something like "The greatest shit I said be the shit I never wrote, word to the hyphen in my name" or something along those lines.

Fuck gay z

davedigital360
04-12-2007, 03:32 PM
so who is your guys' goat besides Nas? I would def say Nas but I can also argue for Jay Z

SaqurakiHanamichi
04-12-2007, 04:19 PM
Yes He Is G.o.a.t When He Sampled Nas Line To Get On Hip Hop 97

xHard to Earnx
04-12-2007, 05:27 PM
Blah blah blah, wah wah wah


Get over it, homos.

tekunique
04-12-2007, 05:32 PM
get over what ? lol that he bit mad lines or your dickriding ?

xHard to Earnx
04-12-2007, 05:35 PM
All you people seriously do is complain.

The Antagonist
04-12-2007, 08:48 PM
hey ive been needing to check up on you nerds!

Jigga dont have 3 great albums(Resonable, Black Album, Kingdom) and one really good one(Blueprint) or have hit after hit after fuckin hit or ANYTHING like that! fuck that dude ON THE REAL! he talks about the same stuff you have no idea!

chiba
04-12-2007, 09:06 PM
i guess its not all about his music
he does have a clothing line rockawear that is sellin worldwide
he is the president of def jam and roca fella records
he owns the 40/40 club (wants to expand it to miami, la, las vegas etc) and part of the new jersey nets
i heard he also wants a peice of football club FC ARSENAL
and is the brand director for budwiser
and distributes armadale vodka in the us

+ his movies, streets is watchin etc

"He redirected the hip hop culture from hooded sweatshirts and baggy jeans to button-ups and crisp jeans, and received
GQ's International Man of the Year award." (wikipedia)

the first 2 jay-z albums were really good
classics imo
the others that came were pretty good
plurprint is considered a classic by many people (got 5 mics in the source)

(oh yeah and all his albums went platinum...consistency )
6/25/1996Reasonable Doubt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_Doubt) Platinum,11/4/1997In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_My_Lifetime%2C_Vol._1) Platinum, 9/29/1998Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vol._2..._Hard_Knock_Life) 5x Platinum, 12/28/1999Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vol._3..._Life_and_Times_of_S._Carter) 3x Platinum, 10/25/2000The Dynasty: Roc La Familia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dynasty:_Roc_La_Familia) 2x Platinum, 9/11/2001The Blueprint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueprint) 2x Platinum, 12/18/2001Jay-Z: Unplugged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z:_Unplugged) Gold, 11/12/2002The Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueprint%C2%B2:_The_Gift_%26_the_Curse) 4x Platinum, 4/8/2003The Blueprint 2.1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueprint_2.1) Gold , 11/14/2003The Black Album (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Album_%28Jay-Z_album%29) 3x Platinum , 11/21/2006Kingdom Come (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Come_%28album%29) 2x Platinum


to me Jay-z isnt the greatest mc of all time
but i do respect the work he has put in the game
and i would understand why ppl would say hes the goat

oh yeah and hes banging beyonce *D

hes doing things that previous mcs never did

i do pick him over puff daddy any day

peace

11th Chamber
04-12-2007, 10:50 PM
I great album, and your G.O.A.T.?? Fuck outta here with that shit.

xHard to Earnx
04-12-2007, 11:13 PM
lol well, nuthin personal cuz I agree with most of what u say sometimes but.......on the real, isn't that a lil hypocritical? Cuz u complain quite a bit too.....

I'd say I defend more than complain.

The last thing I remember complaining about on here was how much Jedi Mind Tricks sucked.

BRASSKNUCKLED PAI MEI
04-12-2007, 11:20 PM
DEFEND COMPLAIN SAME DIFFERENCE...

The Hound
04-12-2007, 11:57 PM
i guess its not all about his music
he does have a clothing line rockawear that is sellin worldwide
he is the president of def jam and roca fella records
he owns the 40/40 club (wants to expand it to miami, la, las vegas etc) and part of the new jersey nets
i heard he also wants a peice of football club FC ARSENAL
and is the brand director for budwiser
and distributes armadale vodka in the us

+ his movies, streets is watchin etc

"He redirected the hip hop culture from hooded sweatshirts and baggy jeans to button-ups and crisp jeans, and received
GQ's International Man of the Year award." (wikipedia)

the first 2 jay-z albums were really good
classics imo
the others that came were pretty good
plurprint is considered a classic by many people (got 5 mics in the source)

(oh yeah and all his albums went platinum...consistency )
6/25/1996Reasonable Doubt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_Doubt) Platinum,11/4/1997In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_My_Lifetime%2C_Vol._1) Platinum, 9/29/1998Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vol._2..._Hard_Knock_Life) 5x Platinum, 12/28/1999Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vol._3..._Life_and_Times_of_S._Carter) 3x Platinum, 10/25/2000The Dynasty: Roc La Familia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dynasty:_Roc_La_Familia) 2x Platinum, 9/11/2001The Blueprint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueprint) 2x Platinum, 12/18/2001Jay-Z: Unplugged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z:_Unplugged) Gold, 11/12/2002The Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueprint%C2%B2:_The_Gift_%26_the_Curse) 4x Platinum, 4/8/2003The Blueprint 2.1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueprint_2.1) Gold , 11/14/2003The Black Album (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Album_%28Jay-Z_album%29) 3x Platinum , 11/21/2006Kingdom Come (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Come_%28album%29) 2x Platinum


to me Jay-z isnt the greatest mc of all time
but i do respect the work he has put in the game
and i would understand why ppl would say hes the goat

oh yeah and hes banging beyonce *D

hes doing things that previous mcs never did

i do pick him over puff daddy any day

peace

how can you respect biting ? i dont care if kingdom come outsells Thriller you cant respect a biting snake - not just bit one line - but a perennial biter whos whole career is made from biting

U.G.K - "Touced" off the Ridin Dirty cd - FROM 1996
"Now once upon a time not too long ago, a nigga like myself had to strong arm a ho, now this was not a ho in a sense of havin a pussy, but a pussy havin no god damn sense, tryna push me"

Jay-Z - "99 Problems" off the Black Album - 2003
"now once upon a time not too long ago, a nigga like myself had to strong arm a ho, this is not a ho in the sense of havin a pussy, but a pussy havin no god damn sense, try and push me"

not to mention that whole thing is a play on ice-t's ORIGINAL - and yes im aware of the fact trick daddy did the same song in 2000/01 i cant remember

point is - this motherfucker jacks rhymes from people who put in hard work and dedication to their craft and he's in the top 10 richest rappers, only in this fucked up world can that happen ...

chiba
04-13-2007, 12:31 AM
i agree with you about the biting
but if u look beyond the biting (as in the stuff i posted up top)
i would understand why he would be considered a goat
he has done things alot of mcs wernt able to do

dont be surprized to hear one day about
50 cent P.Diddy & Eminem to be considered GOAT


like i said
to me jay-z ISNT the goat

peace

The Hound
04-13-2007, 12:55 AM
yeh na i udnerstand ... i didnt layout my post very well it wasnt directed at u ... only the respecting part ... i see where youre coming from ... but imo the rest doesnt matter about GOAT status ...

Longbongcilvaringz
04-13-2007, 03:40 AM
Jay-Z has Reasonable Doubt which is a 10/10, but i don't understand how anybody can claim hes GOAT or KONY.



agreed.

e has one classic, thats it.

and its a classic mostly because of how amazing the beats are, although his flow was great on RD.

chiba
04-13-2007, 01:11 PM
yeh na i udnerstand ... i didnt layout my post very well it wasnt directed at u ... only the respecting part ... i see where youre coming from ... but imo the rest doesnt matter about GOAT status ...

^O^

:beer: :beer:

Come Honor Face
05-21-2007, 02:30 PM
"i guess its not all about his music"

LOL! U stupid assmilker!

OTB
05-21-2007, 02:44 PM
The BLASTMASTER KRS-ONE iz the g.o.a.t