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Galvatron97
06-10-2005, 07:46 PM
Just wanted to know what you all thought if "BE" is a classic or not.....? In my opinion, it is.....atleast a modern classic by today's standards.....its just so much better than half the watered down shit coming out today and when I put BE in my system I have to admit it felt like 95' again......

Very few tracks(11), not alot of guests, 1 main producer which ensures album flow and consistency, and really just Common working magic for each song (kinda reminds you a little of Illmatic doesnt it.....)

While I agree that Resurrection and MAYBE One Day"....." is better overall, that was 94' and 97' when hip hop was made differently. Today, BE is as close as you are going to come to the days of the mid 90's......the title track BE, Corners, Go, Chi City, They Say, The Food, Its Your World.....every song is practically hot.

And I know alot of you hate on Kanye West, but his beats set the backdrop for this album. Since he was the main producer he gave the album a theme and set the tone. He doesnt have much bass or hard drums on his tracks, but the instrumentation and pianos are real nice. So maybe this will change some of your opinions on Kanye......

All in all.....I agree with XXL and HipHopSite.com I think BE is a classic and will still be one in the future years to come.......what do u think??

Gully
06-10-2005, 07:48 PM
NO

it's an 8/10 at Best...

CELL
06-10-2005, 08:06 PM
I wouldnt say classic, but i'd give it an easy 9/10

J-DON
06-10-2005, 08:24 PM
All of the tracks are good but none of them are really OMG THIS IS AMAZING... very consistantly "yeah that songs coo" or "thats pretty nice" ... never like , a joint that id put on repeat.

MILF DOOM
06-10-2005, 09:05 PM
its one of the best releases in a long while cause most shit is wack these days but only time will tell if its a classic

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
06-10-2005, 09:07 PM
^ true

Hayabusa
06-10-2005, 09:33 PM
I wouldn't call "Be" a classic but its a solid 8/10 and an very good additional chaper to the life of Common Sense. I love the CD but I wouldn't call it a classic.

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
06-10-2005, 09:42 PM
does anyone know how much it's sold so far?

Hayabusa
06-10-2005, 09:47 PM
Around 300,000

TUCO
06-10-2005, 10:15 PM
modern day classic
not an all time classic
10/10

peace

MefMan36
06-10-2005, 11:12 PM
I really didn't like it all that much 6/10 by todays standards, if it was 1992-1997 I would give it a 4/10

BoSaNCeRoS
06-10-2005, 11:23 PM
I agree! Today's standards in music is low, but Common went against the grain an made a classic by today's standards

Polocash7
06-10-2005, 11:33 PM
It's easily 9/10 imo. Classic? I like to wait at least a year b4 I call a LP classic. No skip track 4 me

Galvatron97
06-10-2005, 11:51 PM
Wow,

I'm really suprised by most of the posts here......I thought more of you would say that it's a classic album. I mean granted, I even said I don't think its better than Resurrection or One Day It'll All Make Sense but what more can you expect from one of the most talented "conscious" lyricists in the game today who teams up with one of the most popular producers in hip hop today. You know your gonna get something good.

Like one of you saiid there really is no "bangin" track that makes you go holy shit! like on a Wu album but every song is consistently good.

Better than 95% of the garbage being put on the racks today AND also better than the last albums of some of the other conscious lyricists in the game have put out lately (Talib Kweli, cough, Mos Def, Nas cough.....)

deadlymelody
06-11-2005, 12:52 AM
One of the best hip hop albums put out since the turn of the newest century. It's really, really good. You can hate on Kanye and I think he is kind of a fag, but he is a good producer.

mn2683
06-11-2005, 01:22 AM
this is the best cd to come out in teh past couple of years...all the songs kinda flow, none sound out of place, his lyrics actually have meaning, the beats are real good

40s_and_blunts
06-11-2005, 03:28 AM
I say no. There isn't one bad track on it. But there are two outstanding tracks on it. For an album to be classic there has to be a majority of outstanding tracks. I think the production could be increadibly cheesy on the album. And Kayne can't spit a good ryhme for shit. So yeah, its no Infamous or Cuban Linx.

Roman Deini
06-11-2005, 04:49 AM
no classic. i get tired of the kanye beats sometimes and the bonus track is weak.

PDTantisocial
06-11-2005, 05:25 AM
I was a little dissapointed after the reviews, it's a 4 1/2 star album.

Rebel_INS
06-11-2005, 05:47 AM
From what Ive heard it aint no classic, but its good

Sherz
06-11-2005, 07:41 AM
Come on, give it a couple of more years. how the fuck could you call it/or don't call it a classic after its been "officially" released for like a week or two?! Put the hate-o-rate and you bling bling collar down a listen to what the fuck the man is saying, instead of hating on it cause you don't like the sample, one beats or because he doesn't rap as shitty as you favorite emcee. FUCK THAT! You wouls think that wu fans would know better.

What's today standards?! He didn't sold a mill, he has beef with.., this or that produce this! I take a piss on today standards! By the way, you dirty kids, a classic is supposed to TIMELESS not bound to whatever standard you may tie'em up to.

See, am a HUGE fan of Common, so I will avoid saying that "BE = soon te be a ageless classic"

THE W
06-11-2005, 08:21 AM
everybody is on kanye's dick right now so when he puts out something thats good people are gonna jump all over it and say its classic. its all in the timing.

and faurthermore,

how can people say that it is classic when you havent heard it for a long time?

kingidivine
06-11-2005, 10:16 AM
From what I've heard, the only song I'm really feelin' is Chi City. Like people were talking about, no songs on there made me say OMG! I don't know why he can't drop a song of his own like Boulevard Connection. That's the illest ish I've heard him on in years.

MaXiMus Da MaNtis
06-11-2005, 12:58 PM
i like his messages ....but i hate his delivery....

V1OL8TOR7
06-11-2005, 02:43 PM
BE is a classic by today's standards, but to place it on the same level as Illmatic, Ready To Die and 36 Chambers is another issue. Like someone said in an earlier post, you have to give it some time and another listen before calling it one of the all time greats. That's why the call it all time because the judgement is made after some amount of time. . . .not a couple of weeks after.

BE should be considered for 2005 Album of the Year. Common deserves props. But in the world of Soundscan, rap beefs and platinum sales it seems like 2005 could be the year of 50 Cent. I hate that it could wind up that way because of the content of The Massacre which is NOTHING. BE had a lot more to offer lyrically and production wise, Kanye kills anything else that comes out this year unless the RZA drops a gem.

Smif-N-Wessun
06-11-2005, 04:20 PM
Neo-Soul rock shit is weak, 7/10 cause Common is a nice emcee and Kanye got decent beats.

NO CLASSIC only in 8 years

ill0gic
06-11-2005, 04:21 PM
It's much better than everything else being put out today, but it is no way a classic... Probably 8.5/10

HighChief
06-13-2005, 11:30 AM
Of course it is a classic, there are no skips, no wack beats, Common comes correct on every track.. its better than Ressurection overall. Quality Hip Hop in this new millinium is scarce, but Common gave us a jewel right there. If it isn't a classic it will be in time. I agree with XXL stamp and thought the source was wrong not to give it 5 mics. nothing Wu has come out with since maybe Supreme Clientele is as good.

tical2000
06-13-2005, 02:12 PM
If COMMON's BE came out in 1996.........it would just be a good album.....nothing more........but in 2005 it is getting hailed as a classic, beacuse it is rare today when rappers on major labels but out albums that are formulated to get play on radio and to appeal to demographics (ie forced singles).........back in the 1990's it was more about just putting out albums with dope beats/lyrics.......today you have to have the forced radio singles........so I guess Magazines and critics are desperate to call an album a classic, and Common's fits the bill in that it actually sounds like a consise album. Like how many true classics have come out in the 2000's??? not many compared to weekly classics coming out in the 1990's

I kind of rambled, but I think Common's BE is just a really good album.......not classic.......does it hold up to READY TO DIE, 36 CHAMBERS, OBCL, ILLMATIC, you decide

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
06-13-2005, 02:19 PM
Of course it is a classic, there are no skips, no wack beats, Common comes correct on every track.. its better than Ressurection overall. Quality Hip Hop in this new millinium is scarce, but Common gave us a jewel right there. If it isn't a classic it will be in time. I agree with XXL stamp and thought the source was wrong not to give it 5 mics. nothing Wu has come out with since maybe Supreme Clientele is as good.

LOL it's nowhere near resurrection, are you crazy?

at best it's a 8 outta 10

Funkadelic Funkmasta
06-13-2005, 02:23 PM
Can anyone here send me a link to the original version of The Food ( not the live version ). The live version is so fucking wack, it totally ruins the vibe of the album. Other than that it's a classic. No doubt. Especially by today's standards.

workofamasta
06-13-2005, 07:01 PM
I would say yes. One of the top five of the new milennium for sure, the beats and vocals mesh perfectly and Common is definitely one of the best emcees out right now. So many standout tracks and not a weak one among the whole album.

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
06-13-2005, 07:07 PM
shit is 7.9 outta 10 it's aight

CeeDub204
06-13-2005, 07:12 PM
Come on, give it a couple of more years. how the fuck could you call it/or don't call it a classic after its been "officially" released for like a week or two?
I gotta agree, only time will tell.

cutthroat
06-13-2005, 07:32 PM
It's no Resurrection, but still a pretty good album. I wouldn't call it a classic though.

repo
06-13-2005, 08:56 PM
three of four ninja stars
kanye beats get boring

Hyder
06-14-2005, 12:48 AM
the album was okay, the good tracks were really good. but the bad tracks were really bad. kanye is a terrible producer.

whitey
06-14-2005, 02:33 AM
everybody is on kanye's dick right now so when he puts out something thats good people are gonna jump all over it and say its classic. its all in the timing.

and faurthermore,

how can people say that it is classic when you havent heard it for a long time?

on the opposite end of the spectrum, i think a lot of people ("real hip hop heads" and a lot of people on this site) will immediatly say "o kanye put that shit out, i dont like dude blah blah blah" and don't give it the respect it deserves.

Ironlungz
06-16-2005, 08:47 PM
BE is a classic by today's standards, but to place it on the same level as Illmatic, Ready To Die and 36 Chambers is another issue. Like someone said in an earlier post, you have to give it some time and another listen before calling it one of the all time greats. That's why the call it all time because the judgement is made after some amount of time. . . .not a couple of weeks after.

BE should be considered for 2005 Album of the Year. Common deserves props. But in the world of Soundscan, rap beefs and platinum sales it seems like 2005 could be the year of 50 Cent. I hate that it could wind up that way because of the content of The Massacre which is NOTHING. BE had a lot more to offer lyrically and production wise, Kanye kills anything else that comes out this year unless the RZA drops a gem.

WORD!

RapLevelated
06-21-2005, 10:57 PM
modern day classic
not an all time classic
10/10

peace
Yep

Burkey187
07-04-2005, 10:03 AM
Tank u RZAREC... this album is amzin

PolitiC
07-04-2005, 10:09 AM
i think its an classic cuz he and kanye west are starting a whole new wave of rappers actually thinkin....

Witty
07-04-2005, 03:22 PM
i am a HUGE fan of common and he is a top 10 MC for me....Ressurection is probably a top 7 album for me, and "One day it will all make sense" is probably a top 40 album for me (I own probably over 150 hip hop cds, so thats saying something), I also enjoy "Like Water for Chocolate" a lot...but is BE a classic? No. Is it a solid album? yes. Is it better than most of the crap out today? yes. but still in no way is it a classic. Could you ever compare BE to:

Eric b and rakim-paid in full
BDP-Criminal Minded
De La-3 feet high and rising...fuck it de la's first 4 albums
Tribe's first 3 albums
Wu tang-36 Chambers
Organized Konfusions first 2 albums
Common's ressurection
etc etc etc

no...it would be ludacris to say that BE can compete with those. First of all, i think BE was a step down lyrically for Com...don't get me wrong, he still drops some great lyrics (especially on "Chi City" and "Corners") but he doesnt live up to his lyrical brilliance on all of the tracks. Now for the beats...I am not a big Kanye fan, but I think hes a good producer....but the beats, they werent very innovative nor were they that good...I give production a respectable 8/10 but it was just kanye up to his old sped up tricks. Don't get me wrong people, I like this album a lot, and bump it often, but classic is being thrown around a little too much.

peace

Witty
07-04-2005, 03:35 PM
Of course it is a classic, there are no skips, no wack beats, Common comes correct on every track.. its better than Ressurection overall. Quality Hip Hop in this new millinium is scarce, but Common gave us a jewel right there. If it isn't a classic it will be in time. I agree with XXL stamp and thought the source was wrong not to give it 5 mics. nothing Wu has come out with since maybe Supreme Clientele is as good.

explain how its better than ressurection? that album is flawless and timeless...Out of every classic hip hop album I own, it probably has the most replay value....everytime I listen to it, I catch a new line that common spits..."Im a warrior and still don't have to shogun" on "thisisme" was the last one I caught.

mn2683
07-05-2005, 11:33 AM
explain how its better than ressurection? that album is flawless and timeless...Out of every classic hip hop album I own, it probably has the most replay value....everytime I listen to it, I catch a new line that common spits..."Im a warrior and still don't have to shogun" on "thisisme" was the last one I caught. i totally agree, every time i listen to ressurection i find new things, and respect it even more...BE is a classic album if u only count the years 1998-2005, but to say that its on par with 36 chambers, ready to die, illmatic, resurrection, is going a bit far

Ink Is My Drink
07-05-2005, 12:18 PM
i think its a modern day classic

i loe the album

R3beLuTionAry
07-05-2005, 12:48 PM
LOL it's nowhere near resurrection, are you crazy?

at best it's a 8 outta 10

is this thread is about industry standards, not by common's standards

Burkey187
07-06-2005, 01:01 PM
Common Was Here in Spirit , DUBLIN in ireland last nite and he done a few of his classics from like water..ress..etc.. but he killed it when he done BE , its such a classic!!!! he done a 10 min freestyle shouting random things goin on in the crowd and in dublin and he rapped over Jay Z 's takeover.. He Was UNREAL... and Be Is amazin live .. Best Hip Hop Gig Iv Ever Been to.Period.

sam stoepee
07-06-2005, 01:48 PM
If by classic you mean better then every other major label/mainstream album out these days then yes I guess you could dub it a classic. However by my standards its a 3.5/4.0 album. I liken it to the last two roots albums that came out. Good but not better then their old material. Dope album though, no complaints.

the_57th_don
07-06-2005, 04:40 PM
8/10 is fair, the production aint that hot, commons good, i woulda prefered him to get madlib to do a soul/jazz vibe

sam stoepee
07-07-2005, 09:50 AM
Word, Madlib would of been perfect.

Welshkillabee
07-07-2005, 10:52 AM
Its really nice but only time can identify a classic. I love the production on this CD Kanye did his thing and Common was on point throughout. Its loveley to just kick back and smoke a joint to.

Sergio
07-07-2005, 04:15 PM
Its really nice but only time can identify a classic. I love the production on this CD Kanye did his thing and Common was on point throughout. Its loveley to just kick back and smoke a joint to.
Yo I agree with you 100%

triggahappy187
07-07-2005, 05:58 PM
Damn yall need to stop wif this shit bout waterin down, Come on not all of yall really only listen to Common, Mos Def, an talib. His album wasn even that good an yall makin it sound like it was the shit. Common iz ill on the mic of coarse but i bet some yall havent even heard a song by em yall jus sayin he dope cuz other homies are.

IvanKorbi
07-07-2005, 09:44 PM
Be is fantastic. Have played it regularly since it came out and I'm not going tired of it, which is a trademark of classic albums. Though I don't want to make that decision yet...

THE W
07-07-2005, 09:48 PM
its pretty good