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Black Man
04-26-2007, 02:55 PM
The hallmark of the major wester religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) is their belief in God as an immaterial being, detached from and having no connectionwith any corporeal body.

"God is a spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit andin truth." John 4:24

The proper interpretation of this verse depends on our understanding it in it's original context. The literal translation of both the Greek (pneuma) and Hebrew (ruah) words here rendered "spirit" is "breath" or "air." this breath or "air in motion" is, according to the ancients, the intrinsic life force which animates all things. It is the prana of the Hindus and the ba of the ancient Egyptians. Wad Nobles, in his African Psychology, describes the "ba": "The BA was the second (of the seven) divisions of the psychic nature. It represented the transmission fo the breath of life. The ancients beleived that there was only one power, which was symbolically represented as 'THE BREATH,' and that this power or breath was transmitted from the ancestors to the descendants. The ancients believed that this power or energy has always existed and will always exist. The Ba was the invisible source, like electricity, of all visible functions. The Ba was in effect the vital principle which represented the essence of all things."

This "Breath" of John 4:24 is therefore the intrinsic, immaterial essence of all material reality.

Webster's Ninth Edition defines air as "breath" or "the gaseous mixture surrounding the earth."

In the ancient world, energy and spirit were synonymous. both "spirit" and "matter," the incorporeal and the corporeal, are two manifestations of the same One Reality. Theologians call this One Reality God. Scientists call it Energy. Energy is eternal, according to the Law of Conservation of Energy which states that Energy is neither created nor destroyed, but constantly transforms. But whether we call it God, That, or Energy, this one essence is the same and from It sprung both matter and spirit.

This One Reality has been found in every major world religion to be "the beginning" from whence all else springs. The Hindus called it Parabrahm. The Zoroastrians called it Zeruana Akerne. To the Egyptians it was Kneph and to the Hebrews Ain Soph. Whatever it was called, it represented to all the "unmanifested deity" "the latent, causeless cause." This One Reality (Energy) manifests itself through spirit, and spirit manifests itself through matter.

This is indeed how that verse in John 4:24 was intended. The word pneuma was used because it conveyed this meaning of corporeality. Grace Jantzen, in God's World, God's Body, observes: Scripture does say, of course, that God is Spirit (pneuma). But pneuma, in the Greek text of that time, did not necessarily indicate incorporeality as we would expect; in fact, it was sometimes taken to imply the reverse. We can observe this in the Stoic philosophy of the time, where pneuma required corporeality. According to Stoicism, God and the world are composed of the same stuff. The creaive fire which rules the universe is pneuma."

The Church Father Origen (A.D. 185-253), in an attempt to convert the early Chritians over to the "Mystery God" acknowledged that it was this same verse, John 4:24, that the original followers of Jesus used to prove that God did in fact possess a material body. He says: "I know that some will attempt to say that, even according to our own Scriptures, God is a body, BECAUSE...they find it said...in the gospel according to John, that 'God is a Spirit'...Spirit according to them [is] to be regarded as nothing else than a body"

The early Christians, the Stoics, adn the Black Man and Woman of antiquity understood that the Spirit, as a rule, manifests itself through a material body.

This is taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. He says: "Materials from the Earth give us a body for breath to enter. When breath entered the body it made a sound and from the sound I could walk and I could guide myself. The Breath of Life. Every human being that is born of parents, if it does not breath the breath that is carrying the Earth and that we are all breathing, it wion't live. We say it is stillborn. But he (devil) made you look at it differently. He made you to look at breath as something of a spirit or a body we can't see. That's right too. We can't see the air that we are breathing unless we get a microscope. Then we can see the very Atom of Life in the air. Those Atoms of Life in the air are the things that give us life...The biggest 'soul' we have is air...The real soul that they preach to you about is your breath...The human soul is nothing but a person's life. It is not something which is separate from body in which we are in. If you study the theological side of it, it only means our breath. That is the soul, our breath. The Bible teaches you that when God made Man He breathed into the Man the Breath of Life, then He became a Living Soul."

Black Man
04-26-2007, 03:08 PM
The Western World has juxtaposed spirit and matter in such a way that the two are seen as mutually exclusive. This is not, however, how our ancient fathers and mothers understood the spirit-matter dichotomy. To them, spirit and matter were two aspects fo the whole, and the whole depended on the harmonious union of the two. Wade Nobles notes: "Reality for the ancients was always conceived of as the synthesis of the visible and the invisible, the material and the immaterial, the cognitive and the emotive, the inner and the outer."

He say's the Supreme Being according to the ancients was "simultaneously 'spiritual' and 'material'." Egyptologist Theophile Obenga observes: The opposition between 'matter' and 'spirit' does not exist in ancient Egypt where nature forms a whole, matter and consciousness intermingled...Spirit and matter are both modes of the same reality."

Fritjof Capra concurs: "Since motion and change are essential properties of things, the forces causing the motion are not objects from the outside, as in classical Greek view, but are an intrinsic property of matter. Correspondingly, the Eastern image of the Divine is not that of a ruler who directs the world from above, but a principle that controls everything from within."

The change came with the Elatic school of thought founded by the Greek Xenophanes (570-480 B.C.) It was however Rene Descartes' seventeenth century philosophy which popularized the spirit-matter dualism now known as the "Cartesian Split."

According to the ancient Wisdom of the Black Man and Woman, matter and spirit are mutually co-dependent adn the "whole" is the product of their synthesis. We all experience this profound truth in our lives. All of us who are blessed to have electricity running through our homes know that copper wiring is absolutely necessary for our use of the electric current. The copper wire serves as a transmitter of that current. If the wire is damaged, the electricity is left suspended-unable to be made manifest until more wire is put down. The current represents the Spirit of God. The wire represents the transmitter of God's Spirit, the human body.

To the ancients, Spirit was maculine and Matter was feminine. They were represented as Twin Gods, male and female, called the Mother and Father of Man. Some times they were shown in a sensual embrace, as in Shiva and Shakti of India. This represents teh sensual embrace between Spirit and Matter.

at other times, the two gods are welded into one androgynous deity. Al over the earth, God was often depcited as a Great Hermaphrodite, a man with male and female organs. The profane and unlearned took this representation of face value and thus imagined God as a being who actually possessed both sets of organs - a true hermaphrodite. The initiated, on the other hand, understood this to signify the spiritual-materialnautre of God/Man. The same with the image of God with two faces, a man's and a woman's, turned in opposite directions. This si God as Spirit (Man) and Matter (Woman).

Visionz
04-26-2007, 03:28 PM
Holy Quran, Surrah 16: 22

Your God is One God:As to those who believe not in the hereafter, their hearts refuse to know and they are arrogant


Surah 16 :51

Allah has said: Take not for worship two gods: for He is just One God:Then fear Me and Me alone

Surah 16: 54,55:
Yet when He removes the distress from you, behold! Some you turn to other gods to join with their Lord-as if to show their ingratitude for the favors We have bestowed on them! Then enjoy your brief day: but soon will ye know your folly!


Surah 2: 163'
And your God is One God: There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Surah 15: 94
Therefore expound openly what thou art commanded, and turn away from those who join false gods with Allah

Surah 16: 123
So We have taught thee the inspired message "Follow the ways of Abraham the True in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah"

Surah 17: 111
"Praise be to Allah, Who begets no son, And has no partner in His dominion: Nor needs He any to protect Him from humiliation: Yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory

Surah 25: 2-3
He to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth:no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion: it is He Who created all things and ordered them in due proportions, Yet have they taken besides Him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves Created: they have no control of good or hurt to themselves, Nor can they control Death nor Life nor Resurrection

While indeed some of us have the spirit of God within us, it does not make us God.

Hellspawn
04-26-2007, 03:28 PM
at other times, the two gods are welded into one androgynous deity. Al over the earth, God was often depcited as a Great Hermaphrodite, a man with male and female organs. The profane and unlearned took this representation of face value and thus imagined God as a being who actually possessed both sets of organs - a true hermaphrodite. The initiated, on the other hand, understood this to signify the spiritual-materialnautre of God/Man. The same with the image of God with two faces, a man's and a woman's, turned in opposite directions. This si God as Spirit (Man) and Matter (Woman).

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU STUPID PERVERT!!! :fucku:

SID
04-26-2007, 03:38 PM
to be honest i dident even read a quater of white manz post cuz i know

1.hes been searchin a foray of obscure strange theological websites on a copy and paste flex
2. its not gonna be even worth replyin to
3. i dont wanna read it because he offend me by claiming that men are godz
4.beacuse he chats shit


PEACE

Black Man
04-26-2007, 04:22 PM
to be honest i dident even read a quater of white manz post cuz i know

1.hes been searchin a foray of obscure strange theological websites on a copy and paste flex
2. its not gonna be even worth replyin to
3. i dont wanna read it because he offend me by claiming that men are godz
4.beacuse he chats shit


PEACE

2. if it's not worth replying to, why the hell do i see you replying to my thread?

3. here let me offend you again, the BLACKMAN IS GOD

SID
04-26-2007, 04:29 PM
Lmao

Black Man
04-26-2007, 05:22 PM
In the depths of the recesses of the Great Pyramid, there dwells the "Holy of Holies," a most august soul who never left the Temple and whose audience only the "initiated" could seek. He resided in the Temple, "as God dwells in the hearts of men." This "Illustirous One" represents the Spirit of God dwelling in the real House of God, the Human body. THis is the Kaabah in Mecca or Cathedral in Rome.

This is true and consistent in practically all of the major world religions. In the Qaballah of the Jews, Ain Sopn (which is the Jewish "Supreme All" or Spirit) uses the body of the first MAN, Adam Qodman, called by the Hebrews the "Heavenly Man," as the mercabah or throne-chariot through which He manifests Himself. The Zohar says: "the Infinite Unity (Ain Soph), formless and without similitude, after the form of the Heavenly Man was created, used it. The Unknown Light used the (heavenly form) as a chariot through which to descend, and wished to be called by this form, which is the sacred name Jehovah."

In the Laws of Manu, which is an ancient Hindu writing, Parabrahm is the Eternal All of the ancient Indians. He manifests Itself throug the male God Brahma. Brahma is called Kali Hamsa which means "Black Swan." Parabrahm is then called Hansa-vahan, which emans "he who uses the swan (hansa) as his vehicle (vahan)." A Black aquatic fowl-whether swan, goose, pelican, or dove is always used to symbolize the vehicle through which the Spirit of God conveys Itself! Ain Soph is called "The Fiery Soul of the Pelican." According to the Greeks, the city of Delphi was founded by this Spirit of God in the form of a Black Dove.

What is the significance of all these Black birds being associated with the transmissionof the Spirit of God? madame Blavatsky, in The Secret Doctrine says: "Darknessis always associated with the first symbol and surrounds it as shown in the Hindu, the Egyptian, the Chaldeo-Hebrew and even the Scandinavian hence black ravens, black doves, black water and even black flames; the seventh tongue of Agni, the fire god being called 'Kali' 'the black'....Two 'black' doves flew from Egypt and settling on the oaks of Dodona, gave their names to grecian gods. Noah lets out a black raven after the deluge, which is a symbol for the Cosmic pralaya (absolute rest or sleep), after which began the real creation....Odin's black reavens fluttered around the Goddess Saga and 'whispered to her of the past and future.' What is the real meaning of all these black birds? They are all connected with the primeval wisdom which flows out of the pre-cosmic Source of all....and they all have an identical meaning and relate to the PRIMORDIAL ARCHETYPAL MAN (ADAM QADMON) THE CREATIVE ORIGIN OF ALL THINGS..."

Black Man
04-26-2007, 05:24 PM
Lmao

ANOTHER REPLY????

Scáth Bán
04-26-2007, 05:32 PM
Hey "black guy" do you like the Roots?

Black Man
04-26-2007, 06:38 PM
The original Black Hebrews and the original Black Christians took the anthropomorphic descriptions of God n the Bible literaly and thus conceived of God inhuman form, as all the ancient Black cultures have done from the beginning. Such belief was the orthodoxy of the Judeo-Christian tradition for the first three or four centuries fo each. It was predominantly, though not exclusively, through the influence of Greek philosophic thought and the introduction of Plato's God that this was challenged. After much controversy andheated debate, the old orthodoxy was supplanted for a new. What started out as a heresy proclaimed by a minority of "cultured" Jews and Christians became ultimately the established orthodoxy of the Synagogue and Church. And what began as the recognized orthodoxy was later anathematized and thrown in the much too crowded basket of heresies.

Tthe same historical development found it's sequel in Islam. The Holy Qur'an, like the Bible speaks of Allah in very anthropomorphic terms. The original orthodox Muslim community accepted these passages literally. This understanding was confirmed by the teachings of the prophet himself-Prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah. Again Greek influences crept in and a "crises in Islam" ensued. the Muslim world was embittered in battle over this issue and tohers until official creeds had to be issued defining the faith and responding to the heresies But as in Judaism and Christianity, the original orthodoxy, after putting up a storng fight, lost to the heretical postulations of a minority group. The reader wills ee that what is today called "Orthodox Islam" or "Sunni Islam" was in it's beginning a heretical aberration from the orthodox and that the original orthodoxy is today represented by the so-called heretical teachings of the Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam.

Mustafa El-Amin states: "It is essential that the American people in general and the African Americans in particular know and realize that there are very clear differences in the teachings of the (modern) Universal Religion of Islam and the teachigns of teh Nation of Islam. In order for people to make an accurate and clear judgment or decision about anyone or anything, IT IS ALWAYS BEST FOR THEM TO HAVE AS MUCH CORRECT INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE."

Surah 5:64 "And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up. Their own hands are shackled and they are cursed for what they say. Nay, BOTH HIS HANDS ARE SPREAD OUT."

Surah 39:67 "And they honor not Allah with the honor due Him; and the whole earth will be in HIS GRIP on the day of Resurrection and the heavens rolled up IN HIS RIGHT HAND. Glory be to Him! and highly exalted is He above what they associate (with Him)."

Surah 20:5 "Al-Rahman 'ala-'l-'arsh istawa," meaning "The Beneficent One ahs sat down firmly on the Throne." Allah's angels are said to encirle the Throne (39:75)

As Allah sits firmly on the Throne of Power, His feet are said to rest on teh Kursi or stool which accompanies the Throne. Though Kursi can signify seat in a very general sense, usually, as in the daily life of Muslims, it meant a seat with no back or armrests, a stool. Kursi is mentioned twice in the Qur'an but several times in the saying of the Prophet.

The Prophet had some very interesting things to say about Allah's 'arsh and His kursi. He said at one time, romoving any possibility of a non-physical understanding of the Throne: "Know you not what Allah is? His throne is on His heavens, in this way" and he formed with his fingers a cupola and He makes it crack as teh rider makes teh saddle."

this is a most revealing quotation. The Prophet is asking his companion, not do they know "Who" Allah is, but do they know "What Allah is!" He teaches his companions of the nature of God by referring to Allah sitting on His Throne and comparing it to A MAN SITTING ON A SADDLED HORSE!!! The blatant implication here is that ALLAH is a Man. As we quote more of the sayings of the Prophet, you will see that this is exactly what he meant.

The Prophet above described the physical likeness of the Throne. The Molla Husain ibn Iskandar al-Hanafi, in his commentary of the Wasiyat Abi Hanifa, describes the conceptions of Allah's Throne and Chair the were popular in early Islam: "Opinions regarding teh throne differ. According to some it is a seat of light, according to other, e.g. the author of Bahr al-Kalam it is a red hyacinth. The author of the Daka'ik al-Akhbar says: Allah created the preserved table from white pearl...and He attached it to the throne. On it is written what shall happen till the day of resurrection...Ibn Djarir, Ibn Mardawaih and Abu'l-Shaikh have a tradition which goes back to Abu Dharr: the Apostle of Allah said: O Abu Dhar, the seven Heavens are, as compared with the chair, as a ring thrown away in the desert. And the relation between the throne and the chair is as the relation between this desert and the ring. The same tradition is found also in al-suyuti's al-Hai'a al-Saniya."

It is clear from all these traditions that the Throne is physical and the Chair is attached to the Throne. This is confirmed by the tradition handed down by al-Baihaki on the authority of Ibn Abbas, in which the Prophet says: "the first thing Allah created was the pen. then He created the Throne and the Chair, then a preserved table froma white pearl..."

the Throne and Chair are created objects not representing the eternal attributes of allah.

I King 22:19 "I saw the Lord sitting on his throne..."

Isiah 6:1 "I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne high and lifted up."

Visionz
04-26-2007, 06:46 PM
this is a most revealing quotation. The Prophet is asking his companion, not do they know "Who" Allah is, but do they know "What Allah is!" He teaches his companions of the nature of God by referring to Allah sitting on His Throne and comparing it to A MAN SITTING ON A SADDLED HORSE!!! The blatant implication here is that ALLAH is a Man. As we quote more of the sayings of the Prophet, you will see that this is exactly what he meant.
ok


Surah 25: 2-3
He to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth:no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion: it is He Who created all things and ordered them in due proportions, Yet have they taken besides Him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves Created: they have no control of good or hurt to themselves, Nor can they control Death nor Life nor Resurrection what does this verse mean?

Black Man
04-26-2007, 06:52 PM
After examining the context in which the Throne verses were interpreted, we can now understand why this was a central piece of evidence for the orthodox in support of their anthropomorphic conception of Allah. But though it was the central, it was in no way the sole. the Encyclopedia of Islam relates some of the traditions of the Prophet that were fundamental to the orthodoxy's understanding of the nature of allah: "He (Allah) descends to thelowest heaven (al-sama' al-dunya) and cries: 'Is there a supplicant? Is there a seeker of forgiveness'? Then there is the story of the man who will be last in Paradise, and how he will make Allah laugh...His (Allah's) eyes...are opposed to theone eye of al-Dadjdjal..."

One of the oft-quoted hadiths says, "All the hearts of mankind are like one single heart between TWO OF THE FINGERS OF THE MERCIFUL."

The Prophet goes on to say: "Allah created Adam in His form" (inna allah 'azza wa-jalla khalaqa Adam 'ala suratihi)."

In case there was any confusion of whose "form" is actually meant here, the tradition is repeated except it states even more explicitly that Adam was created in the form of al-Rahman, the Beneficent. This tradition clearly shows that Allah has a human form after which Adam was created. This is why the Qur'an states that Adam was created by Allah in "the best of forms" (95:4). Adam was fashioned from Black mud into the "best of forms" because he was fashioned after the make or form of Allah.

Black Man
04-26-2007, 06:53 PM
ok


what does this verse mean?

It means that Allah is the Supreme Being Blackman...always has been and always will be.

Visionz
04-26-2007, 07:08 PM
It means that Allah is the Supreme Being Blackman...always has been and always will be.there's nothing in that verse that says that and is in fact direct contradiction to your statement here. "He that begets NO son" do black men have children? They did the last time I checked. They must be talking about two different things.

Urban_Journalz
04-26-2007, 07:17 PM
While indeed some of us have the spirit of God within us, it does not make us God.

Co-Sign.

I'm still waitin' for proof of this whole "Black Man is God." I know I won't get it though. It's just another severe case of wishful thinking.

Urban_Journalz
04-26-2007, 07:18 PM
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU STUPID PERVERT!!! :fucku:

:lmao:

Black Man
04-26-2007, 07:20 PM
The early Canaanites represented Allah as a Black Man sitting on His Throne. The pictures of 'El are actually pictures of the Canaanite depiction of their God Al or Allah.

89:22 "Nay when the earth is made to crumble to pieces and thy Lord comes with the angels ranks on ranks...."

This tended to disprove the Greek view of God as an immaterial spirit that exist everywhere at all times. for if that were the case, we couldn't talk about God moving from one place to another as the Qur'an and the Prophet had.

This is supported by the Quranic verses 75:22-23 in which in the hereafter some faces will be bright, "Looking toward their Lord." Also in 39:73-75, the Holy Qur'an describes the day when teh faithful are conveyed to the Garden (in the hereafter) in companies. This Hereafter is very earthly, with fountains flowing, pairs of every fruit, reclining beds whose inner covering are of silk brocade, green cushions and beautiful carpets. And if all that isn't enough to convince one of the mundane nature of Paradise, there are righteously beautiful women for the righteous men and vice versa. As the righteous approach the Garden, the Keepers open the doors. They are said then to "inherit the land." Then as they enter the Gates which lead into the Garden, the Qur'an says, "And thous SEEST THE ANGELS GOING ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE OF POWER GLORIFYING THEIR LORD WITH PRAISE."

It is made perfectly clear here that as the righteous enters this earthly Hereafter they will see Allah sitting on His Throne with His heavenly hos encircling Him.

It is reported by Ahmad ibn Nasru'l-Khuza'i that the Prophet said again, "Ye shall see your Lord in the day of judgment as ye see the moon."

Al-Nawawi, author of the Forty hadith, says, "The position of the Poeple of the Sunnah is that seeing Allah is possible and not absurd..."

"The people of the Sunnah" are the original followers of the Prophet who transmitted his teachings. It is thus made clear that the faithful will see Allah as one sees a full moon at night or bright sun on a cloudless day.

The verse that the modern orthodox those who were originally heterodox, qutoe in their attempt to make Allah an immaterial being that is invisible is Surah 2:3 where Allah is referred to as Al-Ghaib. The Muslim writers of today deceptively translate that word as "Unseen." However, the word does not mean "unseen" in Arabic. It means "absent" or "to withdraw ones presence from." This word is similar to the Greek aoratos and does not mean physical invisibility but unseen due to location or distance-absent from view. Allah is not here described by the Qur'an as an invisible bieng, but as one who has made Himself absent until the Day of Judgment at which time He will make His presence known again. This is why the faithful have to wait until that Day before they could "see their Lord."

The Encyclopedia of Islam notes that "the ancient traditionalists took these verses on their face value."

A.J. Arbery in Revelation and Reason In Islam observes, "From the earliest Islam there had been a strong preference...to take these descriptions literally. It was said that God, when he grows angry grows heavier and the throne groans under his weight like a camel saddle. Others explained that it was the throne that grew heavier, not God."

George F. Moor in History of Religions: "The commonidea of God was crudely anthropomorphic. taking the words of the Koran intheir natural sense, men imagined God sitting upon a throne in heaen, a being with hands and feet, eyes and ears, a body therefore and some doctors of repute did not hesitate to say a body of flesh and blood."120

Urban_Journalz
04-26-2007, 07:23 PM
For the record, you poor deluded creature (White Man), The Kabbah is a REPRESENTATION of Allah. It was built for all who would, to make pilgrimage there and remember Allah. As there is One God, there is One building to represent Him. Instead of a bunch of different statues and names being thown around willy nilly. Allah is above The Heavens AND His Throne. You have your foot in your mouth up to your ribs dude. The more you speak, the more you prove how much you DON'T know and what you'd like to be true. Leave it alone!

Black Man
04-26-2007, 07:24 PM
Co-Sign.

I'm still waitin' for proof of this whole "Black Man is God." I know I won't get it though. It's just another severe case of wishful thinking.

what kind of proof do you need?

Scáth Bán
04-26-2007, 07:28 PM
This muthafucka don't like Black Thought

RAMESH
04-26-2007, 07:36 PM
evryone likes black thought

Visionz
04-26-2007, 07:40 PM
This guy is a cut-n-paste master yet has trouble explaining anything by his self.

What does this verse mean? You know the one that says God begets no sons.

His response "It means man is god"

That's obvious to everyone that it doesn't make any sense right?

UNCLE RUCKUS
04-26-2007, 07:52 PM
This guy is a cut-n-paste master yet has trouble explaining anything by his self.

What does this verse mean? You know the one that says God begets no sons.

His response "It means man is god"

That's obvious to everyone that it doesn't make any sense right?

hes a cut-n-paste god thats about it

Visionz
04-26-2007, 08:07 PM
http://www.indybay.org/olduploads/2-onthemarch.jpg

Blackman's persuasive rhetoric has a habit of attracting a certain type of person.

Scáth Bán
04-26-2007, 08:07 PM
hes a cut-n-paste god thats about it

The Ctrl and the C are far away from each other. That shit ain't easy.

UNCLE RUCKUS
04-26-2007, 08:14 PM
The Ctrl and the C are far away from each other. That shit ain't easy.

haha I just hope this guy isnt for real

Ultimate Fist
04-26-2007, 09:17 PM
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Black Man
04-27-2007, 10:35 AM
For the record, you poor deluded creature (White Man), The Kabbah is a REPRESENTATION of Allah. It was built for all who would, to make pilgrimage there and remember Allah. As there is One God, there is One building to represent Him. Instead of a bunch of different statues and names being thown around willy nilly. Allah is above The Heavens AND His Throne. You have your foot in your mouth up to your ribs dude. The more you speak, the more you prove how much you DON'T know and what you'd like to be true. Leave it alone!

do you speak for allah? when allah says i'm wrong then i'll say i'm wrong. you, you're not allah, nor do you know allah or what allah is.

Black Man
04-27-2007, 10:48 AM
evryone likes black thought

No, everybody does not like black thought and what does black thought have to do with this thread?

Black Man
04-27-2007, 10:50 AM
This guy is a cut-n-paste master yet has trouble explaining anything by his self.

What does this verse mean? You know the one that says God begets no sons.

His response "It means man is god"

That's obvious to everyone that it doesn't make any sense right?


if you're going to quote me, get the quote right, its not hard....

This is what I said....It means that Allah is the Supreme Being Blackman...always has been and always will be.

You don't like the answer? So what, that's what it is.
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Black Man
04-27-2007, 11:09 AM
1. Somebody here asked for some proof, and continued with the notion that they would never get proof. I asked, what kind of proof do you need and no reply.

2. Copy and paste...yeah that's exactly what I do, and with my copy and paste technique all you can say is I copy and paste as if that determines the validity of something. You don't know what you're talking about. Yeah yeah yeah.....all that has been said, has been backed up with the (when dealing with the religion of islam) quran, muslim scholars, arabic scholars, islamic encyclopedias, historians, linguist, the sayings and traditions of the prophet muhammad, dictionaries, and just plain old common sense. You defense of your belief is, you don't know what you're talking about, what does this verse mean, you copy and paste:'( stop crying all the time and step your game up.

3. This is what I would like to know....if the Blackman isn't Allah then who is? Accordint to you "muslims" nobody can see Allah even though the Quran clearly states that the righteous can see Allah....I guess you so-called "muslims" are not righteous or else you would see him. According to muslims Allah has no form, however the quran states that Allah has a form and Adam, a man/male was created in his form:

Surah 5:64 "And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up. Their own hands are shackled and they are cursed for what they say. Nay, BOTH HIS HANDS ARE SPREAD OUT."

Surah 39:67 "And they honor not Allah with the honor due Him; and the whole earth will be in HIS GRIP on the day of Resurrection and the heavens rolled up IN HIS RIGHT HAND. Glory be to Him! and highly exalted is He above what they associate (with Him)."

One of the oft-quoted hadiths says, "All the hearts of mankind are like one single heart between TWO OF THE FINGERS OF THE MERCIFUL."

The Prophet goes on to say: "Allah created Adam in His form" (inna allah 'azza wa-jalla khalaqa Adam 'ala suratihi)."

In case there was any confusion of whose "form" is actually meant here, the tradition is repeated except it states even more explicitly that Adam was created in the form of al-Rahman, the Beneficent (is not Al-Rahman one of Allah's names?). This tradition clearly shows that Allah has a human form after which Adam was created. This is why the Qur'an states that Adam was created by Allah in "the best of forms" (95:4). Adam was fashioned from Black mud into the "best of forms" because he was fashioned after the make or form of Allah.

Yeah, you can leave these verses alone and aske me about another verse or where Allah was before the earth was made, but I know you don't wanna touch these verses....hypocrites.

4. Your name calling, how childish is that, has no effect on me. It only shows your insecurity and your lack of knowledge and wisdom.

Visionz
04-27-2007, 01:53 PM
if you're going to quote me, get the quote right, its not hard....

This is what I said....It means that Allah is the Supreme Being Blackman...always has been and always will be.

You don't like the answer? So what, that's what it is.
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/misc/progress.gif you can toss out all the full-of-shit "answers" you want. It only goes to show your reading comprehension leaves alot to be desired.

God begets No Son, plain and simple, therefore God can not be human because healthy humans have kids.

Of course you know that what it means when you read it but like UJ has said before, its not just a river in Egypt.

Visionz
04-27-2007, 02:32 PM
3. This is what I would like to know....if the Blackman isn't Allah then who is? Accordint to you "muslims" nobody can see Allah even though the Quran clearly states that the righteous can see Allah....I guess you so-called "muslims" are not righteous or else you would see him. According to muslims Allah has no form, however the quran states that Allah has a form and Adam, a man/male was created in his form:

Surah 5:64 "And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up. Their own hands are shackled and they are cursed for what they say. Nay, BOTH HIS HANDS ARE SPREAD OUT."

Surah 39:67 "And they honor not Allah with the honor due Him; and the whole earth will be in HIS GRIP on the day of Resurrection and the heavens rolled up IN HIS RIGHT HAND. Glory be to Him! and highly exalted is He above what they associate (with Him)."

One of the oft-quoted hadiths says, "All the hearts of mankind are like one single heart between TWO OF THE FINGERS OF THE MERCIFUL."

The Prophet goes on to say: "Allah created Adam in His form" (inna allah 'azza wa-jalla khalaqa Adam 'ala suratihi)."

In case there was any confusion of whose "form" is actually meant here, the tradition is repeated except it states even more explicitly that Adam was created in the form of al-Rahman, the Beneficent (is not Al-Rahman one of Allah's names?). This tradition clearly shows that Allah has a human form after which Adam was created. This is why the Qur'an states that Adam was created by Allah in "the best of forms" (95:4). Adam was fashioned from Black mud into the "best of forms" because he was fashioned after the make or form of Allah.

Yeah, you can leave these verses alone and aske me about another verse or where Allah was before the earth was made, but I know you don't wanna touch these verses....hypocrites.I see God everywhere, the integeral connections that unify all things, from the atoms to the stars, God is there and in plain sight. No quotes have you brought forth that show really anything other than your paradoxial ability to look too deeply into what is plain while looking plainly at what is metaphor.

You keep saying that Adam was created in God's form when in the Quran form isn't mentioned, only that God breathed his Spirit into man. Man is endowed with the spirit of God and hence has the god-like powers that you confuse for the real deal. Funny how you mention what others will not touch when you dare not extract the meaning from the verses that I present to you.

And if you're going to bring up verses you should do the right thing and transcribe the verses in their entirety of that which you quote, especially for those not fortunate enough to have their own copy.

Surah 5:64 ...The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up" Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the blasphemy they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them We have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgement. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it: But they ever strive to do mischeif on earth, and Allah loveth not those who do mischeif.



..........Now you would take what they are saying to be literal?!? They are referring to the many blessings that God has at his disposal, the hands being a metaphor. Do you even own a copy of the Quran? or are you just cutting and pasting what someone else showed you?


39:67 is the same thing, the verse is metaphor as to show how insignificant the world is compared to the glory and power of God but again you took it to mean something literal. Pay attention to the last line of the verse, there's something vital being said there that you seem to be missing.


Now where was the Blackman when the world was created?

Will the real hypocrites please stand up.

Urban_Journalz
04-27-2007, 02:33 PM
what kind of proof do you need?

Since God does what He Wills, I'll need something like, this Monday, make the sun rise from the west, stay centered at noon and return to the west. Or, shut down Wu-Corp for a week and bring it back, with all of us thinking that there was no break in space or time. Or get the darkest man you can find to do it in your stead.

Take us back to 1984, and place un in Tokyo Japan.

*D

Black Man
04-27-2007, 02:35 PM
you can toss out all the full-of-shit "answers" you want. It only goes to show your reading comprehension leaves alot to be desired.

God begets No Son, plain and simple, therefore God can not be human because healthy humans have kids.

Of course you know that what it means when you read it but like UJ has said before, its not just a river in Egypt.

The blackman, the supreme being blackman who is allah is not begotten, or does he beget.....since you lack the knowledge of yourself and you lack the true knowledge of the true and living god (not some fantasy you believe with no power) then you would understand the scripture(s) how they were meant to be understood. Since you lack this knowledge everything the proceeds from your mouth will be in error, just as your misunderstanding of said scripture is in error.

Adam was created in the form of who? And what form does "Adam" have (two arms two legs, a torso, and a head) and from what kind of mud was he created? Oh yeah, he was created in the form of Allah and the mud was black so that Adam was in the same image of his creator.

Yeah, you don't want to mess with those scriptures as I have already said. You afraid? Mos Def and I'm not talking about no rapper.

Urban_Journalz
04-27-2007, 02:42 PM
The blackman, the supreme being blackman who is allah is not begotten, or does he beget.....since you lack the knowledge of yourself and you lack the true knowledge of the true and living god (not some fantasy you believe with no power) then you would understand the scripture(s) how they were meant to be understood. Since you lack this knowledge everything the proceeds from your mouth will be in error, just as your misunderstanding of said scripture is in error.

Adam was created in the form of who? And what form does "Adam" have (two arms two legs, a torso, and a head) and from what kind of mud was he created? Oh yeah, he was created in the form of Allah and the mud was black so that Adam was in the same image of his creator.

Yeah, you don't want to mess with those scriptures as I have already said. You afraid? Mos Def and I'm not talking about no rapper.

Moron.

It's "He begets not, or is He begotten." Now, unless my eyes deciee me, I see millions of Black babies all over the world. So explain that one.

Urban_Journalz
04-27-2007, 02:43 PM
Mos Def and I'm not talking about no rapper.

:lmao:

Gayest line ever....

Visionz
04-27-2007, 02:46 PM
The blackman, the supreme being blackman who is allah is not begotten, or does he beget.....since you lack the knowledge of yourself and you lack the true knowledge of the true and living god (not some fantasy you believe with no power) then you would understand the scripture(s) how they were meant to be understood. Since you lack this knowledge everything the proceeds from your mouth will be in error, just as your misunderstanding of said scripture is in error.

Adam was created in the form of who? And what form does "Adam" have (two arms two legs, a torso, and a head) and from what kind of mud was he created? Oh yeah, he was created in the form of Allah and the mud was black so that Adam was in the same image of his creator.

Yeah, you don't want to mess with those scriptures as I have already said. You afraid? Mos Def and I'm not talking about no rapper.

be·get (b?-g?t') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. be·got (-g?t'), be·got·ten (-g?t'n) or be·got, be·get·ting, be·gets
To father; sire.
To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.


only two meanings listed there buddy, lol@ you being the one with all that proper knowledge when you constantly take the metaphoric for the literal. It is you who looks without proper understanding. And leave the exact Surah of the Quran which states Adam was created in God's FORM, go head, I'll be here waiting while the ice caps melt. No one's scared here but you. :lmao:

Hopefully you'll get it right before your soul sheds those clothes its wearing :ouch: things could get ugly.

Black Man
04-27-2007, 02:48 PM
Since God does what He Wills, I'll need something like, this Monday, make the sun rise from the west, stay centered at noon and return to the west. Or, shut down Wu-Corp for a week and bring it back, with all of us thinking that there was no break in space or time. Or get the darkest man you can find to do it in your stead.

Take us back to 1984, and place un in Tokyo Japan.

*D

Can your god do what your asking?

Black Man
04-27-2007, 03:05 PM
be·get (b?-g?t') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. be·got (-g?t'), be·got·ten (-g?t'n) or be·got, be·get·ting, be·gets
To father; sire.
To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.


only two meanings listed there buddy, lol@ you being the one with all that proper knowledge when you constantly take the metaphoric for the literal. It is you who looks without proper understanding. And leave the exact Surah of the Quran which states Adam was created in God's FORM, go head, I'll be here waiting while the ice caps melt. No one's scared here but you. :lmao:

Hopefully you'll get it right before your soul sheds those clothes its wearing :ouch: things could get ugly.

thanks for copying and pasting the definition. now you copy and pasted the definition and one of the definitions is "To cause to exist or occur."

allah doesn't cause anything to exist or occur? allah does not produce? hold on a sec....:lmao:

if you god can't produce, cause something to exist or occur, that's a weak ass god of yours.

Dirty Knowledge
04-27-2007, 03:20 PM
to be honest i dident even read a quater of white manz post cuz i know

1.hes been searchin a foray of obscure strange theological websites on a copy and paste flex
2. its not gonna be even worth replyin to
3. i dont wanna read it because he offend me by claiming that men are godz
4.beacuse he chats shit


PEACE

Co-sign

Black Man
04-27-2007, 03:27 PM
Co-sign

if you're co-signing why you posting here? leave the thread alone. oh you can't.....because...

Urban_Journalz
04-27-2007, 03:49 PM
Can your god do what your asking?

Classic. You can't prove it, so you answer the challenge with a question. So, to further prove that I'm better than you, yes, He can. He created the heavens, the earth and all in between. You know good and damn well that no man of any color can do what I asked because man and God are two seperate beings entirely. It's wishful thinking and you know it. You just can't say, "Nope, sorry, I can't prove it for you." Instead, you resort to asking more stupid questions. You're a laugh riot.

Visionz
04-27-2007, 03:54 PM
thanks for copying and pasting the definition. now you copy and pasted the definition and one of the definitions is "To cause to exist or occur."

allah doesn't cause anything to exist or occur? allah does not produce? hold on a sec....:lmao:

if you god can't produce, cause something to exist or occur, that's a weak ass god of yours.nice ducking there Artfull Dodger, nice to see how you can't walk what you preach


I asked the hypocrite to stand up and there you are front and center.

And the meaning of the scripture is that He doesn't cause any sons to occur or exist for God has no sons. See how quickly you loose sight of what you where talking about?

Black Man
04-27-2007, 04:00 PM
nice ducking there Artfull Dodger, nice to see how you can't walk what you preach


I asked the hypocrite to stand up and there you are front and center.

And the meaning of the scripture is that He doesn't cause any sons to occur or exist for God has no sons. See how quickly you loose sight of what you where talking about?

be·get (b?-g?t') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. be·got (-g?t'), be·got·ten (-g?t'n) or be·got, be·get·ting, be·gets
To father; sire.
To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.

you remember this right? you posted that definition, now since you're not intelligent enough to apply the definition you gave, get somebody to to explain it to you.

allah does not cause anything to exist or occur right?

Frontal Lobotomy
04-27-2007, 04:04 PM
So uh..whats with the worship business? All this servitude business ain't cool, only the weak live to serve. Why would a God be any ethnicity anyway? If they can transcend time and space they could look like one of those lightbulb headed dudes you can pickup at that souvenir diner near Area 51, why have they got to be black? I suppose because some dude said it, it must be true. Maybe I'll go into town tomorrow and declare myself God, and see how I get on..
Here's a notion, the Hindu religion doesn't believe the blackman to be God, and their faith spans thousands of years longer than Islam, maybe Krishna be god eh?

Ultimate Fist
04-27-2007, 04:04 PM
http://www.fstdt.com/funnyimages/uploads/488.jpg (http://www.fstdt.com/)

Visionz
04-27-2007, 04:07 PM
Surah 25: 2-3
He to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth:no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion: it is He Who created all things and ordered them in due proportions, Yet have they taken besides Him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves Created: they have no control of good or hurt to themselves, Nor can they control Death nor Life nor Resurrection....



You forgot the context with which the word was used. You have the memory of a fish evidently.......plain and simple God doesn't bear children


ou remember this right? you posted that definition, now since you're not intelligent enough to apply the definition you gave, get somebody to to explain it to you.

allah does not cause anything to exist or occur rightlmao that a person who can't apply the context of words when used in a sentence is questioning my intelligence

Black Man
04-27-2007, 04:18 PM
So uh..whats with the worship business? All this servitude business ain't cool, only the weak live to serve. Why would a God be any ethnicity anyway? If they can transcend time and space they could look like one of those lightbulb headed dudes you can pickup at that souvenir diner near Area 51, why have they got to be black? I suppose because some dude said it, it must be true. Maybe I'll go into town tomorrow and declare myself God, and see how I get on..
Here's a notion, the Hindu religion doesn't believe the blackman to be God, and their faith spans thousands of years longer than Islam, maybe Krishna be god eh?

Krishna is black.

Frontal Lobotomy
04-27-2007, 04:28 PM
^ Hahah
http://www.srichinmoybio.co.uk/images/people/KRISHNA.jpg
Dude was always depicted as being blue, not to mention Indian people ain't black,and wouldn't take kindly to one of their dieties being referred to as such.
Africa was the cradle of African civilisation, Asia takes its own credit.

Black Man
04-27-2007, 05:13 PM
Al-Ghaib which means absent or to withdraw ones presence from.

The Encyclopedia of Islam notes that, "the ancient traditionalists took these verses on their face value."

A.J. Arbery in Revelation and REason in Islam, "from earliest Islam there had been a strong prefernce...to take these description literally. it was said that god when he grows angry grows heavier and the throne groans under his wieght like a camel saddle. Others explained that it was the throne that grew heavier, not god."

George F. Moore, History of Religion, "the common idea of god was crudely anthropomorphic. taking the words of thekoran in their natural sense, men imagined god sitting upon a throne in heaven a being with hands and feet, eyes and ears; a body, therefore and some doctors of repute did not hesitate to say a body of flesh and blood."

The people of the "Sunna" the original orthodox of islam which included the companions of the prophet armed with the words of the prophet himself understood these anthropomorphic verses of the holy quran literally and thus conceived of allah inthat same way. they are referred to as Ashab-Al-Hadith, or "People of the Tradition." This group later came to be anathematized and called Al-Hashwiyya. the exact meaning of Hashwiyya is unknown but it is clearly used in a derogatory way. Writers today refer to the hashwiyya as a "sect" within Islam. But A.S. halkin has shown that far from being a sect, it represented the orthodox majority. In his article, "The Hashwiyya," he states, "we learn also that the name is by no means applicable to a well defined group including as it does virtually the whole community." He also says, "a reconsideration of the sect will doubtless reveal that it was representative of the masses of Islam and that the sectarianism is due to a misunderstanding."

they are today anathematized because they believed inthe God of Religion. In the polemic of Jahis (772-872) against the Nabita, which is another name for the Hashwiyya, he says of them: "but the Nabita...insisted: He is a body; and it ascribed form...to Him and declared anyone who believes in the beatific ision (seeing allah in paradise) without Tajsim (acknowledging god has a body) to be heretic. Again, most maintain that God's word is excellent and clear, evidence and proof that if he wished to add to it he could; and subtract from it he could the acts of disobedience of this community had never exceeded sin and error until the Nabita and their followers, THE MASSES, appeared. Now the PREVAILING trend of this generation is Kufr, that is anthropomorphism and determinism."

Jahiz, who was an enemy to the Hashwiyya here acknowledges that they represented the masses and their view of anthropomophism was the "prevailing" view. His attempt, however to make this a "new trend" we have already shown to be erroneous.

Another Muslim writer, Iji, writing on Muslim sects, says of the Hashwiyya: "The anthropomorphists Hashwiyya like Mudar and Kahmas and al-Hujaimi assert He is a body (not like other bodies) of flesha nd blood (unlike all other flesh and blood). He possesses limbs (and organs and it is possible for Him to touch and shake hands with and embrace the sincerely pious who visits him in this world)."

This is the view of original orthodoxy of Islam. "Sunni Islam" originally held the belief that Allah manifested Himself in human form. Hisham ibn Hakim said: "Allah has a body defined broad high and long of equal dimensions radiating with light of a broad measure in its three dimensions"

Just as with the original hebrews and christians the original orthodoxy of Islam was far different than the orthodoxy of today's Muslim world. but when and under what condition did the orthodoxy change?

W.M. Watt in Early Islam says, "the problem implicit in the anthropomorphic conceptions of the quran did not begin to thrust themselves upon the awareness of Muslim thinkers till towards the close of the second century after the Hijra (in the ninth century, two hundred years after muhammad). the point was apparently raised first by the heterodox groups of th eMu-tazila and the Jahmiyya and they raised it...BY ACCUSING THE MAIN BODY OF THE FAITHFUL AND THE ORTHODOX DOCTORS OF TASHBIH AS IT IS USUALLY TRANSLATED ANTHROPOMORPHISM. the Mu'tazila and the Jahmiyya at this piont probably not entirely distinct from the one another had come under the influence of greek philosophy."

Richard Martin in his Islam observes: "most Mu'tazilites denied any resemblance between god an dhis creatures. AGAINST MORE POPULAR CONCEPTIONS, the Mu-tazilites argued that God could not be conceived in human terms; that is, they 'deanthropomorphised' the notion of god."

Hoodbhoy is Islam and Science notes, "The Mu'tazila doctrine rejected the anthropomorphic representations of God POPULAR AT THAT TIME."

"Mu'tazila" means dissenters, called such because they dissented from the orthodox understanding and were therefore "heterodox." The school was actually a loose association of thinkers primarily from Basrah and Baghdad who differed widely among themselves on important points. Wasil ibn Ata and Amr ibn 'Ubayd after separating from the circle of Hasan at Basrah founded the school in the early part of th eninth century. They were later joined and succeeded by Abu al-Hudhayl and al-Nazzam. In Baghdad, a branch of the Mu-tazila was formed around Bishr ibn al-Mu-tamir. Bishr was temporarily jailed for his views by the Calif harun al-Rashid.

The Mu'tazila affirmations and the subsequent controversy which they caused cetnered around three basic issues, of which only the first will be mentioned. 1. They believed in the unity (tawhid) of Allah. This wasn't just an affirmation of monotheism, for all Muslims affirmed such. But this was a special "philosophic" concept which called into qeustion the anthropomorphism of the orthodoxy; 2. they asserted that the Holy Qur'an was created against the orthodox belief that it is the "uncreated" word of God. 3. Kalam, the Mu'tazila denied the worth of the Hadith (sayings fo the Prophet.) in interpreting the Quran. THey believed Greek reason was superior to Tradition and more authoritative. This is called Kalam. The Mu-tazila therefore invented a grammatical system of exegesis called ta'wil which was allegorical interpretation of the Quran, thus interpreting away the anthropomorphism's in a philosophical fashion.

It was this same heretical school that gave the current Muslim world it's tafsir or mode of exegesis. Where teh Quran speaks of the faithful "seeing God" it really means they woul 'know' Him, accoridn to this method of reading Scripture. The hand of Allah meant 'grace' and His face was render His 'essence.' Just as their Jewish and Christian predecessors, the Mu'tazila applied Hellenistic rationalism to stip away the references of Allah that disagreed with the God of Philosophy. The Encyclopedia of Islam observes: "but the Mu'tazilite schools wished to justify dialectically the muslim notion of God in teh face fo the Greek-inspired 'God of the philosopher.'

Black Man
04-27-2007, 05:50 PM
^ Hahah
http://www.srichinmoybio.co.uk/images/people/KRISHNA.jpg
Dude was always depicted as being blue, not to mention Indian people ain't black,and wouldn't take kindly to one of their dieties being referred to as such.
Africa was the cradle of African civilisation, Asia takes its own credit.

The Blackman is the father of all civilization, it doesn't matter what you want to call the land.

Krishna of India was "blue black." His name means black or The Black One! He is always portrayed with black or blue skin, and his hair was woolly according to the Cambridge Encyclopedia, 1 (http://www.saxakali.com/suzar/black.htm#1a) and sometimes locked.

this above is krishna? ha! krishna was depicted blue, he was also depicted black! not to mention people of india are black...lets take a look.

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/panya.jpg

Panya Woman in South Indiahttp://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/kanikar.jpg

Kanikar tribal man in South India
photos submitted by Horen Tudu



http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/dalits.jpghttp://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/siddi.jpg

A Smiling Siddi Girl
photo credit: K.L.Kamat (http://www.kamat.com/)
Copyright © 1996-2002, Kamat's Potpourri.
All Rights Reserved
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Modern Dravidan girl, India
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/india.jpg
Santal Tribal Woman
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Yanadi - Tribal girl in South India
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/nagpur.jpg
Nagpur - Dalit Freedom Fighter
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/aranadan3.jpg
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/bangla.jpg
Santal;
Man of East Bengal
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Saotals women expressing their lives

All Rights Reserved http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/hands.jpghttp://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/naznin.jpg

Baby Naznin, "The Black Diamond," a famous singer of
Bangladesh. She is one of the few modern Bangladeshi
women to embrace Pan-Africanism in South Asia
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Agta Woman
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/idsaf.jpg

Maria Doss at a campaign in Norway organised by the International Dalit Solidarity Networkhttp://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/santhals.jpg

Horen Tudu (centre) with other Santhals from the village of
Dinajpur in Bangladesh
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/buddha1.jpg
Black Buddhist Deity Fudo Myo'o





them some black indians right dere

and your cartoon picture of krishna is cute...lol

Frontal Lobotomy
04-27-2007, 06:34 PM
They all looked pretty Indian to me.. People can have dark skin and not be 'black'. Although let Africa take the credit anyway, its not my history being brutalised.
You didn't choose to read between the lines with the Krishna comments either, I picked a blue dude because it's so insanely stupid, like the idea of 'Gods' existing in human form being even more so. A human to a 'God' is the equivalent of a cockroach (at best), would you take the form of a cockroach if you were higher up the ladder?
Seriously though, these notions were cooked up when people thought that the sun was a divine being, the earth was flat, and that only birds could fly. All this stuff has been proven to be otherwise. Rationality will come through eventually, until then you're just going to manipulate religious scripture to form your own argument, kinda like that God Hates Fags family. Either way it ain't cool, the masses are too simple to see how contradictory these archaic ramblings are.

Black Man
04-27-2007, 07:05 PM
They all looked pretty Indian to me.. People can have dark skin and not be 'black'. Although let Africa take the credit anyway, its not my history being brutalised.

so since they're not "black" who and what is black?

Africa, what does Africa have to do with anything? Oh I see, only black people live in africa right? http://www.golftransactions.com/Fall2004/Els%204a.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_RtkQfjJGawsBIyqjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12ba4q539/EXP=1177800592/**http%3A//www.golftransactions.com/Fall2004/Els%25204a.jpg)

Ernie Els is (South) African......but damn dude looks white/european.



You didn't choose to read between the lines with the Krishna comments either, I picked a blue dude because it's so insanely stupid, like the idea of 'Gods' existing in human form being even more so.

to you it's stupid, you have the right to your opinion. if god doesn't exist in human form what is his form?

A human to a 'God' is the equivalent of a cockroach (at best), would you take the form of a cockroach if you were higher up the ladder?

so you know for sure what god thinks of humans? you spoke to this god? he spoke back? can you please send him my way so I can get some of that information as well please?

If if if....there's no if's, the blackman is god. you can accept it or reject it, it's all good though regardless of what you do(and from what you wrote you reject it).

Seriously though, these notions were cooked up when people thought that the sun was a divine being, the earth was flat, and that only birds could fly.

Sounds like you're referring to white europeans, because the original man (black brown and yellow) knew better. Look, I didn't say Africa(n), for Africa didn't always exist.

All this stuff has been proven to be otherwise.

What's been proven otherwise?

Rationality will come through eventually, until then you're just going to manipulate religious scripture to form your own argument, kinda like that God Hates Fags family.

I don't manipulate (religious) scriptures...and what are religious scriptures anyway?

Frontal Lobotomy
04-27-2007, 07:50 PM
It would be much easier if you just post underneath instead of dissecting a post that would be just above yours, for starters.
With regard to the South African dude, you are aware that South Africa (and in fact most of Africa at some point or other) has been colonised by europeans, the boer war etc etc, recent history led to that.
I also never said I knew what 'God' thought of humans, i compared the status of a God to that of a human being, and in that sense we are the equivilent of cockroaches at best. A god would look much cooler than we do, its arrogant to assume a 'supreme being' would look human. Particularly a male human, patriachy needs to be irradicated on every level, its insiduous and detrimental.
The 'Original' man concept appears to stem from Africa, judging by what I've seen passed off through various media, so I've been generalising (its not a crime, its merely convenient).
White europeans weren't the only people to worship the sun, you know, I'll leave you to research that one for yourself though.
My point still stands that if I were to come out talking about being 'God' or that I hear the voice of 'God', i'd get pissed on in the street, the only reason these institutions remain remain intact is because they're institutional. People believed that stuff back then as they knew no better, or had no choice, in a sense nothing has changed.
Finally, you're right, I don't accept your explanation of Gods, the same as I don't agree with any of the other explanations to rationalise gravity, or dress up the fact that we're going to die eventually. That crap only applies to this planet, its cliché and outdated. Religion just gives people an excuse to be self-righteous, and that in it self is a detriment to the progression of our race as a whole. I'm done with getting involved in religious debate, I did that crap in school when i was 12, and the sad thing is the responses are still the same.

Scáth Bán
04-27-2007, 09:04 PM
Why do you have a pic of Ernie Els? lol

AcidPhosphate69
04-28-2007, 01:46 AM
here let me offend you again, the BLACKMAN IS GOD

Are you dating a black guy or something?

Seriously though, you're an idiot. If the black man is God, what does that make you? I'll tell you what it makes you...God's bitch.

Os3y3ris
04-28-2007, 06:17 AM
WTF happened to this thread?

Anyways, my concept of God isn't derived from organized religion, but from actual experience. Hard to explain what it is to me, but in essence its the impossible manifest.

Imperial1
04-28-2007, 09:57 PM
How about we change the title of this thread to "Who's Stupid Enough To Believe Anything "Not-A-Black-Man" Says?"

Imperial1

Hellspawn
04-30-2007, 06:46 AM
Since God does what He Wills, I'll need something like, this Monday, make the sun rise from the west, stay centered at noon and return to the west. Or, shut down Wu-Corp for a week and bring it back, with all of us thinking that there was no break in space or time. Or get the darkest man you can find to do it in your stead.

Take us back to 1984, and place un in Tokyo Japan.

*D

:lmao: LMAO