Future Legends.....will there be any?

[TAURO]

Considering the current climate of hip hop today, do you think any of these young cats who have come out in recent years, may one day in maybe ten years time be considered legends?

It seemed so easy to identify talented rappers in the late 80's and all through the 90's, mc's that were mainstream but were truly talented, so good in fact that you knew they could stand toe to toe with any underground cat and hold their own.

I mean look at some of the artists around today, we have Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, Saigon, Papoose, Dipset, G Unit, Black Milk, T.I, Young Jeezy etc...
Of course all the mc's mentioned are either mainstream or just bubbling under the surface, then of course you have all these new underground cats too.

So given the current crop, along with the new up and comers, do you think we will see any future legends in the making?

[11th Chamber]

If Kanye keeps making great albums, and keeps his ego intact, than I dont see why he cant be a legend some day

[SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS]

ya prolly Kanye West, Black Milk, Guilty Simpson, Trife Diesal and Warcloud

[Exodus]

Yeah, there are a few new rappers that have that potential

[WIA]

I think 50 Cent has definitely made his mark on rap. I think if someone in the future writes a history of hip hop/rap 50's name will definitely come up. He is synonymous with mainstream rap today. Does that make him a legend?

[baritone]

asking a question like this, pretty much says hip-hop is done with

[maestro wooz]

bronze nazareth

[2L8Lit da croatianMC]

Yeah there can be and will be Hip Hop legends in the future...

[12weLvE]

As of now I say Kanye...and fuck it i will have to go on and say BUMMM ass 50 cent just because of his legacy blah blah..

[DR. NICK RIVIERA]

I hope Bronze Naz becomes a legend in more eyes than just a few....he's a rappers poet, I would say

Kanye will be a legend in 5 years, not 10 :)

[TAURO]

I think 50 Cent has definitely made his mark on rap. I think if someone in the future writes a history of hip hop/rap 50's name will definitely come up. He is synonymous with mainstream rap today. Does that make him a legend?

I suppose it depends om who you ask. But answer me this, do you consider MC Hammer a legend?

asking a question like this, pretty much says hip-hop is done with

How do you figure that?

[Suga Duga]

Bronze, Kevlaar7

[cap]

i would say game definitely has the potential ( if he doesnt stop after his next album ) kanye as well.

and saigon & joell ortiz

[DR. NICK RIVIERA]

one day, I hope Cage will be considered a legend...

btw, Cam'Ron could get the legend title in the next three, LOL

[Longbongcilvaringz]

i think kanye will be considered one because he makes hip hop for people that dont like hip hop.

rock critics and the like think hes something amazing.

[TAURO]

So people think that one day people will look at Kanye the same way we view Pete Rock for example?

[Longbongcilvaringz]

i think he will be revered by people in the same way as other "music" legends not just hip hop legends.

i mean, pete rock doesnt even get that much recognition in hip hop , let alone outside of it.

[DR. NICK RIVIERA]

I like Lupe Fiasco...he brings only goodies to the table

[DJMethods]

Yeah I reckon there will be.. Said Kanye would in another thread while back, he could be (close to anyway) as dope as Pete Rock if he uses his head and stops tryina make money. Dudes talented.

Young guys? Iunno, Mos Def, Pharoahe, Common, all still dropping shit, we should see a new batch in the next few years like Saigon (Who i dont feel that much)

[Dr Sleepwalker]

Cage, Styles P, Kanye West, Lil Wayne (you'll see)

[Dirty Knowledge]

Very nice question. I voted yes, becuase I believe there can still be a raw rapper to come out and I don't doubt shit. But deep down.. I dunno.. we may have seen the REAL golden ages come and gone. Up until 2000, don't seem like many dudes are that great. I really like guys like Dilated Peoples, Phil Da Agony, shit like that. Out there on the WEst, their underground is dope. But I dunno if anyone will "blow" up and still be real. Guys like Pap, Technique, Saigon, just don't seem to be catching on mainstream and to be a legend I think you gotta have SOME mainstream cred because you've gotta sell to be known. Joel Ortiz has talent. But I dunno if he'll even blow, it doesn't seem people are raving about him. Seems unlikely. I guess this question can be interpreted many ways, but to me it meant will there be any mainstream legends. I.E., Krs-1, Kool G Rap, NaS.. so no. Underground? Most def.

[Meta4]

Most future legends will be called that because of their album sales ie 50, Wayne, TI etc... Not many will be legends in the real sense of what A legend is, making a positive impact. Saigon, Papoose, Jadakiss, Styles P, Sean Price will all be considered legends one day.

[-The A to the Z-]

Don't think there will be legends in the same sense as before, like when the world would define people like nas for illmatic. Probably gonna only b underground 'classics'. But maybe the underground will fight back and there will be a 36 chambers style sucess?

[DR. NICK RIVIERA]

Sean P is a legend in my eyes right now. But he will never be praised as much as, IDK, Jay-Z or Kanye or Nas

[Greek Gheynician Anal Tradition]

If Kanye keeps making great albums, and keeps his ego intact, than I dont see why he cant be a legend some day

:lmao: I dont believe this..Kanye is a clown..Wtf are you talkin about?He cant be a legend.. +)

[Come Honor Face]

Yes! d4l, franchize boyz, and Young Joc are all on their way.

[Polocash7]

Kanye will be 4 his production. Lupe and J.Ortiz have a chance to be

[Meta4]

^^^Ortiz def got a chance. Mos Def, Talib, Royce, Ras Kass to the list.

Production wise??? Havoc, Just Blaze, Kanye (no chance in hell lyrically), Tru Master, 4th Disciple, Bronze, Mathematics, Carlos "Sixth July" Broady, Ayatollah.

[11th Chamber]

:lmao: I dont believe this..Kanye is a clown..Wtf are you talkin about?He cant be a legend.. +)

you're obviously the only clown in disscussion. His first two albums were both great and most likely his next will be the same. He is one of the most talented producers in the game and he is quite popular if you havent noticed.

As I said, as long as he keeps his ego intact and keeps doin his music thing, than he is set.

[LuckyTheWonderDog]

If Kanye keeps making great albums, and keeps his ego intact, than I dont see why he cant be a legend some day

Ha ha ha ha ha ha Kanye keeping his ego in check?!?!?! Is this the same guy who stops the beat in a concert and asks the crowd if they heard how good the last line he said was?

^^^Ortiz def got a chance. Mos Def, Talib, Royce, Ras Kass to the list.

Production wise??? Havoc, Just Blaze, Kanye (no chance in hell lyrically), Tru Master, 4th Disciple, Bronze, Mathematics, Carlos "Sixth July" Broady, Ayatollah.

Come on, you think anyone who aint on these boards is gonna consider all these guys legends? Mathematics aint even a legend to most Wu fans, let alone the industry as a whole.

As for legends generally, I don't see why not. Dunno if I know anyone around right now that's gonna be a legend in the sense of Rakim etc, but I'm sure there will be some. There's rappers around now that will be that good in my eyes anyway. Problem is with being a rapper now is that so much has been done that it's harder to be a pioneer. Most of the new stuff that has been pioneered in recent years is just poor (to me anyway).

[Dante]

Nope. I don't think so.

[beardman]

First you have to define legendary...

What do you mean with legendary?

A great mc or best selling mc? Underground mc or mainstream? Or is the impact he had on the rap scene?

So you have to first seperate what makes a legend.

If you look at album sales, guys like: 50 cent, The Game, Kanye West and T.I. are allready made legends.

If you look at other aspects, it's much harder to define who would be seen as legend. I don't see any good mc with the charisma of let's say 2Pac or Biggie. Rappers like Talib Kweli, Mos Def and Joell Ortiz are very good mc's, but I don't think they would be seen as legends.

Most of the time, the succes (popularity and album sales) are important to define a legend (in casual fans eyes).

I think people here rather define legendary in the sense of mc skills and impact on rap.

Lately there haven't been a lot of rappers who made any impact on the rap scene.
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[LuckyTheWonderDog]

First you have to define legendary...

What do you mean with legendary?

A great mc or best selling mc? Underground mc or mainstream? Or is the impact he had on the rap scene?

So you have to first seperate what makes a legend.

If you look at album sales, guys like: 50 cent, The Game, Kanye West and T.I. are allready made legends.

If you look at other aspects, it's much harder to define who would be seen as legend. I don't see any good mc with the charisma of let's say 2Pac or Biggie. Rappers like Talib Kweli, Mos Def and Joell Ortiz are very good mc's, but I don't think they would be seen as legends.

Most of the time, the succes (popularity and album sales) are important to define a legend (in casual fans eyes).

I think people here rather define legendary in the sense of mc skills and impact on rap.

Lately there haven't been a lot of rappers who made any impact on the rap scene.

The people most define as legends in the hip-hop game aren't necessarily the best selling, they're usually the ones most mcs look up to. As in Slick Rick, Rakim, Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and KRS-One.

[12weLvE]

I actaully left out some dudes that you gys will prob not agree on: well...Ludacris and TI... Not a huge fan, but remember what the trheat question is.

[TSA]

Kanye Papoose and T.I. for sure

[beardman]

The people most define as legends in the hip-hop game aren't necessarily the best selling, they're usually the ones most mcs look up to. As in Slick Rick, Rakim, Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and KRS-One.

That's exactly what I said. I meant with castual listeners, the mainstream (the public), not the pure hip hop heads.

I think it should be defined by: longetivity, impact, skills and quality.
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[LuckyTheWonderDog]

That's exactly what I said. I meant with castual listeners, the mainstream (the public), not the pure hip hop heads.

I think it should be defined by: longetivity, impact, skills and quality.

Yeah, what I'm thinking is that 'casual' listeners don't sit around and discuss who the legends of hip-hop are! I really can't see heads in a few years talking about the legend that is T.I.

[Longbongcilvaringz]

another thing is though... whos a legend now? i dont think theres alot of agreement on the legends of hip hop.

[HarlemDiplomat]

Kanye (two great albums and a commercial appeal, good crossover)

The Game (Westcoast legend in the end)

Nas (especially if he continues to make music)

50 Cent (as much as I hate that bitch hes gonna be talked about in future documentaries)

Common (hip-hop ledgend)

T.I. (Don't like him, but perhaps a southern legend)

Lil Wayne (def. gonna get alot of props in the future if he gets more groundbreaking)

Wu-Tang (forever!!!!)

[LuckyTheWonderDog]

another thing is though... whos a legend now? i dont think theres alot of agreement on the legends of hip hop.

The only agreed ones seem to be the old school guys Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, KRS-One, Kool G Rap, Chuck D and Slick Rick. there's also Biggie and Nas and a few others, but the first six I listed seem to be agreed my 99%.

[HarlemDiplomat]

Kanye Papoose and T.I. for sure

Papoose will be a hood legend no doubt but he gotta make some waves in the mainstream to even be considered a hip-hop legend. And first he has to put out an album.

[LuckyTheWonderDog]

At most there's about 10-12 people that can really be called legends from the last near 30 years of hip-hop, so I think we're throwing a few too many names into the hat here...

I'm talking rappers here mind you.

[whers]

In my eyes there are a few that could definatly fill that title in the future:

Holocaust/Warcloud - If Not Already
Killah Priest - If Not Already
Jedi Mind Tricks
Sabac Red
R.A. The Rugged Man
Papoose
Obie Trice

[12weLvE]

Kanye (two great albums and a commercial appeal, good crossover)

The Game (Westcoast legend in the end)

Nas (especially if he continues to make music)

50 Cent (as much as I hate that bitch hes gonna be talked about in future documentaries)

Common (hip-hop ledgend)
T.I. (Don't like him, but perhaps a southern legend)

Lil Wayne (def. gonna get alot of props in the future if he gets more groundbreaking)

Wu-Tang (forever!!!!)

These guys are already legends...

[LuckyTheWonderDog]

In my eyes there are a few that could definatly fill that title in the future:

Holocaust/Warcloud - If Not Already
Killah Priest - If Not Already
Jedi Mind Tricks
Sabac Red
R.A. The Rugged Man
Papoose
Obie Trice

Come on, if we're talking in general eyes rather than personal taste, I doubt a lot of rappers even know who Warcloud is, let alone rate him as a legend. Quality as Sabac and Jedi Mind Tricks are, I again can't see them ever being rated as a true legends (maybe Stoup could make it to that status). Don't really know enough about Papoose to talk. Doubtful Priest will either.

Legend means people like Rakim who tower over the whole scene, not just skilled mcs.

Saigon got a chance if he keeps moving forward.

[DVSK]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha Kanye keeping his ego in check?!?!?! Is this the same guy who stops the beat in a concert and asks the crowd if they heard how good the last line he said was?

wow, thats mad slef dick riding status right there,,,HAHA.:cheerlie:

[whers]

Come on, if we're talking in general eyes rather than personal taste, I doubt a lot of rappers even know who Warcloud is, let alone rate him as a legend. Quality as Sabac and Jedi Mind Tricks are, I again can't see them ever being rated as a true legends (maybe Stoup could make it to that status). Don't really know enough about Papoose to talk. Doubtful Priest will either.

Legend means people like Rakim who tower over the whole scene, not just skilled mcs.

Saigon got a chance if he keeps moving forward.

So in you'r opinion who can be a "Legend" I seriuosly ALL of the people that I put up CAN one day become this.
Holocaust & Killah Priest = Not a legends!!! - if thats going down then to quote Dr. Dre:
"Fuck rap you can have it back, so where's all the mad rappers at?"

Papoose = Lyrically Indestructable
Obie Trice = Gifted MC With A Great Voice
R.A. The Rugged Man = The Ambassador Of Flows
Sabac Red = Will Probabally Tear Anyone
Jedi Mind Tricks/Jus Allah = Pure Chemistry They Own Their Own Sound
Holocaust/Warcloud = One Man Army

[LuckyTheWonderDog]

So in you'r opinion who can be a "Legend" I seriuosly ALL of the people that I put up CAN one day become this.
Holocaust & Killah Priest = Not a legends!!! - if thats going down then to quote Dr. Dre:
"Fuck rap you can have it back, so where's all the mad rappers at?"

Come on seriouslly, I know alot of people on here love Warcloud, but in what world is he a legend? I aint explored the full extent of his work, but from what I heard he got two albums that sound like he made them on a playstation or something and one album with great beats but weaker rapping. He's hardly turned the industry on it's head has he?

For a start, to be a legend more than 200 people actually have to have heard of you.

Rugged could make it, but possibly limited due to length of time to actually release an album (depends on speed of follow up).

[whers]

In my opinion what you'r talking about is Quantity and not Quality,
Holocaust is the only one of his kind that alone should be enough if ANY well known rapper jumped on a track with him they would be out of their depth, he owns many voices and flows and to qoute you :

" I heard he got two albums that sound like he made them on a playstation or something and one album with great beats but weaker rapping. He's hardly turned the industry on it's head has he?"

Those two albums wre poorly put together but that wasn't even serious he just made that shit for fun test driving Warcloud.
Have you actually listended to them that guy is a machine I swear,
His old style alone should solidify his "Lengend" status.
As for his album - Blue Sky Black Death Presents:The Holocaust -
That album is one of the best I have in my collection and to say that he is WEAK on that album is just obnoxious, seriously listen to "God Be With You" or "The Ocean" or "The Smoking Room" - you don't NEVER hear heads going on like this.The man isn't talking about Guns.40's,Bitches,Drugs and all the bullshit you hear from other so called Legends, he is talking ill shit that you need to sit down and listen to.
Killah Priest is another he has been ILL from day one and to say that Saigon is a possibility and Priest isn't is just well how can I put it....foollish?
Even without
"The Offering" & "But The End There Of...Are The Ways Of Death" these two are a must to be put in the Lengend list of rappers.
Just out of interest what do you think about these:

Eminem
Canibus
Virtuoso
Talib Kweli
Nas
Jay-Z
Nature
Cormega
Royce Da '59
LL Cool J

The reason I ask is that I would probabally put the top 5 in also but the others are more of the "Great Rappers" list and I don't rate LL Cool J at all but isn't he doing his 11th album or something like that?
Is that Legendary? I think not - I have chosen QUALITY over Quantity.
PEACE

[HarlemDiplomat]

Eminem
Canibus
Virtuoso
Talib Kweli
Nas
Jay-Z
Nature
Cormega
Royce Da '59
LL Cool J

Eminem... yes.

Canibus... he hasn't really had a commercial appeal. Alot of his material is really just lyric driven and he isn't versatile enough. Skills are on point though the most casual of rap fans can't even name 1 song by him.

Virtuoso... don't know enough about him.

Talib Kwali... if he keeps steady.

Nas... yes.

Jay-Z... in the eyes of most he is already, but me personally I'll listen to a bunch of other cats before I even consider anything after the Roc La Familia album.

Nature... no.

Cormega... good but naw..

Royce Da '59... to Eminem fans and people from Detroit.

LL Cool J... already is I guess.

[TAURO]

If you are an underground cat, you can still be seen as an "UNDERGROUND LEGEND" a group like Jedi Mind Tricks would easily fall into this category....why? because for one thing, I got into JMT late in the day, around the time that Visions of Ghandi came out. How I found out about them was through the press and good word of mouth, JMT in some stores i've been to have their own section because they are considered huge within the underground scene and they were generally known as underground legends. Thats why I gave them a try in the first place, because of their reputation.

I also think that someone like Killah Priest (although well respected in certain cirlcles of the hip hop community) would not be viewed as a "HIP HOP LEGEND" in the grander scheme of things but rather be considered a "WU LEGEND" and just an important figure in hip hop, but just not a legend.

[baritone]

first of all, mc's like Big Daddy Kane, Kool G, Rakim, Run DMC, Public Enemy, KRS ,Nas, Big, Pac, Jay,The Wu, etc.,are not legends, these are icons

the term "legend" is of lower ranking

[Bedlam]

I have a hard time considering Kanye a legendary rapper, considering the fact that he is not good at rapping.

would anyone even think of listening to this guy if he rapped on jazze pha production? or some other lame? no

[11th Chamber]

I still cant believe Whers brought Warcloud into the discussion

[LuckyTheWonderDog]

In my opinion what you'r talking about is Quantity and not Quality,
Holocaust is the only one of his kind that alone should be enough if ANY well known rapper jumped on a track with him they would be out of their depth, he owns many voices and flows and to qoute you :

" I heard he got two albums that sound like he made them on a playstation or something and one album with great beats but weaker rapping. He's hardly turned the industry on it's head has he?"

Those two albums wre poorly put together but that wasn't even serious he just made that shit for fun test driving Warcloud.
Have you actually listended to them that guy is a machine I swear,
His old style alone should solidify his "Lengend" status.
As for his album - Blue Sky Black Death Presents:The Holocaust -
That album is one of the best I have in my collection and to say that he is WEAK on that album is just obnoxious, seriously listen to "God Be With You" or "The Ocean" or "The Smoking Room" - you don't NEVER hear heads going on like this.The man isn't talking about Guns.40's,Bitches,Drugs and all the bullshit you hear from other so called Legends, he is talking ill shit that you need to sit down and listen to.
Killah Priest is another he has been ILL from day one and to say that Saigon is a possibility and Priest isn't is just well how can I put it....foollish?
Even without
"The Offering" & "But The End There Of...Are The Ways Of Death" these two are a must to be put in the Lengend list of rappers.
Just out of interest what do you think about these:

Eminem
Canibus
Virtuoso
Talib Kweli
Nas
Jay-Z
Nature
Cormega
Royce Da '59
LL Cool J

The reason I ask is that I would probabally put the top 5 in also but the others are more of the "Great Rappers" list and I don't rate LL Cool J at all but isn't he doing his 11th album or something like that?
Is that Legendary? I think not - I have chosen QUALITY over Quantity.
PEACE

I'm thinking legend as in collectively thought of, nothing to do with personal opinion. My favourite rapper is Poetic from Gravediggaz, but I wouldn't say he is a legend in the sense I'm talking about here.

first of all, mc's like Big Daddy Kane, Kool G, Rakim, Run DMC, Public Enemy, KRS ,Nas, Big, Pac, Jay,The Wu, etc.,are not legends, these are icons

the term "legend" is of lower ranking

I'm thinking legend in the sense of say J-Love's mixtape series 'Legends'.

[CharlesJones]

LOL@Bedlam and Technician dissing Kanye West hahahahahahahahahaha. I don't like him either. He's very cocky and he's not a good rapper. His production isn't all that great either. LOL@ErichWV's comment about D4L, Dem Franchise Boys, Young Joc hahahahahahahahahahaha.

[whers]

Spinx...

What you are talking about is the one with the most material, most albums, been around for ages ect..

And I am curious to know how I am going to call somone a legend if I don't rate them lyrically, take Holocaust for example -
He is my favourite rapper but I have always thought that he is the best, not just because he is my favourite I honestlty think he aty this moment in time is the greatest MC alive, and people have the right to disagree.
I also like Killah Priest,R.A. The Rugged Man,Virtuoso,Sabac Red,
Big Pun,Immortal Technique,Slaine,Jedi Mind Tricks,Wu-Tang Clan,
King Just,Canibus,Army Of The Pharoahs ect...

I think you see what I mean, all of the above to me are on the brink of becoming legends if they keep making music, They are all devasting on the mic and I have always been a lover of lyrics but isn't that what it's all about?I just can't see how people can say
"Yes" Kanye West and "No" to Killah Priest, in fact it just makes me laugh...
Priest is like untouchable on the mic and is like 5 soon to be 6 Albums deep let alone the Sunz Of Man stuff, Maccabbes,Black Market,4 Horsemen & guest apperances.The best thing Kanye West has done is produce a decent hard hitting beat like"the Truth" by Beanie Sigel everything elese me or you could do given a week of preperation, he sounds just like Jay-Z but nit as good, he is a GOOD producer but legend not in a million years next to Mc's like Holocaust,Killah Priest,GZA,Jus Allah,Virtuoso these are the guy's that fit the bill not "Commercial Kanye"

[Assassinator]

Don't think there will be legends in the same sense as before, like when the world would define people like nas for illmatic. Probably gonna only b underground 'classics'. But maybe the underground will fight back and there will be a 36 chambers style sucess?

the music industry is changing so fast that even the labels are finding it hard to keep up. rap is barely going gold at the moment.

imo the only way for hip hop to survive is if the power is taken into our own hands, the independent route may be that option? the question is are rappers willing to put in that work or be cut like a cookies for years to come.

[Suga Duga]

Papoose for sure

[Scáth Bán]

Watch Stones Throw.

[Longbongcilvaringz]

lol at papoose.

as far as im concerned he doesn even have a career yet... so how will he one day be a legend?

maybe after hes release a few album we can talk about him possibly one day being a legend.

[Longbongcilvaringz]

:lmao: I dont believe this..Kanye is a clown..Wtf are you talkin about?He cant be a legend.. +)



ok think about it this way, for the last few years kanye has had his influence in a huge number of popular and defining hip hop releases, and this year he has already created to a great album (common's) and what will most likely be the best commercial single of the year ("Stronger")

look at the releases he has had a large hand it over the last few years:

Late Registration
John Legends album
Be
Finding Forever
Blue Collar
and soon to be classic "Graduation"

look at the main singles in hip hop this year, and im talking about the kind of hip hop discussed on these forums, and kanye is already killing it. and he hasnt even dropped his solo yet.


people will look back at the period following "Blueprint" (which i personally dislike) till whenever he finishes, and see that kanye had a almost unprecedented impact on influence on the hip hop music of the day.

hence, kanye = future legend candidate #1