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Galvatron97
07-25-2007, 08:24 AM
The dude has 2 classic solo albums in College Dropout and Late Registration, will soon have another classic solo LP when Graduation drops, and has produced 2 modern classics for Common in BE and Finding Forever.....
Not to mention the ill beats he's done for Jay-Z and every other artist out there.....

Yea he's an egotistical maniac, but atleast he backs up his talk with hot shit.....

Spectrum7glr
07-25-2007, 08:54 AM
I hated late registration (gave it a chance but failed miserably)
I agree that he brings something new to the game and I have respect for that, and he's a okay producer

I just can't agree with you, sorry, and you won't be able to change my mind

Dr Sleepwalker
07-25-2007, 09:23 AM
kanye west is ill as fuck

Jon Quest
07-25-2007, 10:12 AM
i dont think many people still hate on him...most people just saw how arrogant he was and wrote him off as another cocky rapper...but after seein how talented he is i dont see how someone couldnt respect him

BRASSKNUCKLED PAI MEI
07-25-2007, 10:20 AM
His production is top notch

Second Coming
07-25-2007, 10:32 AM
I agree that his production is top-notch and he is extremely talented as a producer but that being said, I think he is below average as an emcee and occasionally horrible on the mic. You claim that College Dropout and Late Registration are classic, but that is easily disputable. I happen to think that both albums are below average at best, especially Late Registration which I really don't like (only like one song and that's the bonus track). However, I DON'T HATE the dude even though he's a cocky asshole who can't rhyme very well in my opinion. There's a difference between hating on someone and just not liking or not relating to someone. Just like Kanye's boy Common said on "Sixth Sense"-"I ain't relatin'/if I don't like it, I don't like it/that don't mean that I'm hatin"

Spectrum7glr
07-25-2007, 11:58 AM
I agree that his production is top-notch and he is extremely talented as a producer but that being said, I think he is below average as an emcee and occasionally horrible on the mic. You claim that College Dropout and Late Registration are classic, but that is easily disputable. I happen to think that both albums are below average at best, especially Late Registration which I really don't like (only like one song and that's the bonus track). However, I DON'T HATE the dude even though he's a cocky asshole who can't rhyme very well in my opinion. There's a difference between hating on someone and just not liking or not relating to someone. Just like Kanye's boy Common said on "Sixth Sense"-"I ain't relatin'/if I don't like it, I don't like it/that don't mean that I'm hatin"
I think exactly the same

J.T.S.
07-25-2007, 12:04 PM
One of the worst rappers ever!

hide1998
07-25-2007, 12:05 PM
I agree that his production is top-notch and he is extremely talented as a producer but that being said, I think he is below average as an emcee and occasionally horrible on the mic. You claim that College Dropout and Late Registration are classic, but that is easily disputable. I happen to think that both albums are below average at best, especially Late Registration which I really don't like (only like one song and that's the bonus track). However, I DON'T HATE the dude even though he's a cocky asshole who can't rhyme very well in my opinion. There's a difference between hating on someone and just not liking or not relating to someone. Just like Kanye's boy Common said on "Sixth Sense"-"I ain't relatin'/if I don't like it, I don't like it/that don't mean that I'm hatin"

The bolded part are the only things I agree with, everything else...:no:

A lot of folks downplay how nice Kanye has gotten on the mic. So yeah...I don't get (anymore) why cats hate on Kanye (as a rapper) so much. Your average/below average rapper can't put words together as well as Kanye can (nowadays).


Not relating to someone doesn't mean you can't admit they're talented on the mic. I can't really relate to Eminem, Lord Infamous or Busdriver, but I have to admit they're talented MCs.

Sean
07-25-2007, 12:14 PM
I used to hate him because of his cockiness and commercialism but I think he's alright now. I haven't heard either of his albums but he is a talented producer even if he isn't the best rapper.

THE W
07-25-2007, 12:25 PM
dude has some nice beats but his rhymes are marginal. both his albums are good but FAR from classic. stop believing the hype.

i never had a problem with him being cocky. cockiness is a part of being an MC. all rappers talk about how they're the illest and how nobody can mess with them.

he's not the second coming of christ like everyone says he is but there isnt anything wrong with him.

SaqurakiHanamichi
07-25-2007, 12:28 PM
makes hot beats but keep his metalic mouth off the mic.

DJMethods
07-25-2007, 01:24 PM
He's good, but there is no way he's made one classic let alone 2. I used to hate him just to spite all those fuckers who say he's the second coming.

Wu-Tality
07-25-2007, 01:27 PM
I used to bump Late Registration alot, but now I feel it's just average. This is probably because the beats were phenomenal but the lyrics wordplay just weren't top notch. I still bump "Late" (think it's called that?) though.
His first album has some fire though like Jesus Walks, through the wire and home.
I like Kanye, but I just don't feel his albums are classic.

Galvatron97
07-25-2007, 01:43 PM
Yea? i agree with what some of you said.....

What about the 2 classic albums he crafted for Common? BE and Finding Forever are illlll!!.....

IronFingaz7
07-25-2007, 01:50 PM
He's definitly ill on the production, but his rhymes are garbage.

P.E.A.C.E.

DJMethods
07-25-2007, 01:54 PM
Yea? i agree with what some of you said.....

What about the 2 classic albums he crafted for Common? BE and Finding Forever are illlll!!.....

Haven't heard Finding Forever, but the production on Be was first class. A lot hate on that album for being "soft", but I can bump that shit when chilling with girls that don't like hip-hop. He spits a rhyme about a threesome and makes it sound good.

Chi-City is dope, Testify is dope, I like "Go" (Better with the chick singing and not Kanye though), it's a personal classic, but not out and out classic.

Suga Duga
07-25-2007, 01:55 PM
His production is top notch

I think he is below average as an emcee and occasionally horrible on the mic."

He's definitly ill on the production, but his rhymes are garbage.


there you have it, he's nothing on the mic, he shouldn't even touch it, his skills on the boards are good, but stop talking like he's one of the nicest producers in the game

Guarded By Martyrs
07-25-2007, 03:25 PM
I don't hate on him.. His beats are sick - no doubt.
I still wish he made more beats like "The Truth" for Beanie Segal.

I do wish that he would put down the Mic though,
(as should Pharell)
Kanye West just sounds like a reassembled Jay-Z just like Memphis Bleek
(sometimes)

Similar to Spliff Star sounds like Busta Rhymes.

HarlemDiplomat
07-25-2007, 03:36 PM
No hate from me. He was kinda annoying by Late Registration but i got over that. Waiting on the new joint.

xHard to Earnx
07-25-2007, 04:01 PM
Two classic albums, great production, terrible sounding MC, but most of what he says is actually really good.

Can't Tell Me Nothing Remix is hilarious and you should all listen to it.

11th Chamber
07-25-2007, 04:04 PM
I really like Kanye, but I can see how alot of people dont cause of how he acts and shit.

I wouldent say 2 classic albums, I would say 1 Classic, 1 Great.

whoa115
07-25-2007, 04:04 PM
kanyes just a cocky douche but hes a master at producing and hes a good rapper, college dropout and late registration are classics but i can see how people dont like him

9th Warrior
07-25-2007, 04:07 PM
college dropout was better than late registration which was a disappointment. With that said, the singles from his upcoming look even more promising than anything he's ever done before.

Dirty Knowledge
07-25-2007, 04:17 PM
I heard he's a biter. Bit Jesus Walks. Who knows. I used to think he was the truth. But he's a pompus asshole at times. He could do some powerfulthings with his music but he does corny ass shit sometimes.

xHard to Earnx
07-25-2007, 04:19 PM
Fucking pope on a pogo stick. It's 2007 and you don't know the deal with Jesus Walks? Come the fuck on.

ShaDynasty
07-25-2007, 04:34 PM
College Dropout is a classic, i think with his second album he was being over ambitious with his production and coasting lyrically. Late Registration is far from a classic, its the sound of kanye west believing his own hype and making an incredibly obnoxious record.

Dirty Knowledge
07-25-2007, 04:35 PM
Fucking pope on a pogo stick. It's 2007 and you don't know the deal with Jesus Walks? Come the fuck on.

Damn I'm a loser, provide me with the knife to kill myself please.

noel411
07-25-2007, 04:55 PM
I've got nothing against the guy, and he's the best commercial hip hop artist I've heard in the last few years, but I think his albums are really boring. I dl'ed them both a while back, and they're ok, but I only ended up putting about 4 tracks from them on my mp3 player. Not my thing. Those 4 or so tracks are really good though.

HANZO
07-25-2007, 05:44 PM
his music is boring, and he cant rap.

WuGambino
07-25-2007, 05:55 PM
The dude has 2 classic solo albums in College Dropout and Late Registration, will soon have another classic solo LP when Graduation drops, and has produced 2 modern classics for Common in BE and Finding Forever.....
Not to mention the ill beats he's done for Jay-Z and every other artist out there.....

Yea he's an egotistical maniac, but atleast he backs up his talk with hot shit.....

College dropout at a push is a modern classic, but it's not a classic classic... not yet anyway. Be is a modern classic yes, but both Late Regstration and FInding forever fail in comparison.

I gave him a chance I like listening to his stuff he's aight but he can be overrated and his ego is annoying.

In short, I will be looking out for Graduation but not with baited breath. He ain't that fly.

Come Honor Face
07-25-2007, 11:42 PM
Kanye West = Very talented producer who was heavily influenced by Rza and the Wu Elements. He is a terrible mc! He is also a feminine dude.(possible fag)

rubyspirit
07-25-2007, 11:58 PM
Kanye is creative and unique, and brings something different to the game. His songs doesn't have much replay value.

The art of a dope hip hop producer is dj scratching. Kanye doesn't know how to do it.

LORD ZERO
07-26-2007, 03:43 AM
Yeah His Songs Are Ehhhhhhh, His Beats Are A Couple Notches Above His Corny Rhymes, I Think He Should Just Stick To Beats

LuckyTheWonderDog
07-26-2007, 04:04 AM
I agree that his production is top-notch and he is extremely talented as a producer but that being said, I think he is below average as an emcee and occasionally horrible on the mic. You claim that College Dropout and Late Registration are classic, but that is easily disputable. I happen to think that both albums are below average at best, especially Late Registration which I really don't like (only like one song and that's the bonus track). However, I DON'T HATE the dude even though he's a cocky asshole who can't rhyme very well in my opinion. There's a difference between hating on someone and just not liking or not relating to someone. Just like Kanye's boy Common said on "Sixth Sense"-"I ain't relatin'/if I don't like it, I don't like it/that don't mean that I'm hatin"

agreed.

I find his rapping kinda irritating, sometimes coming off like a poor version of Talib Kweli.

His egomania though really bangs the nail in the coffin. When he stopped that show (possibly at Abbey Road) to say "Did you hear how clever that last line was" then repeated the line explaining how smart he was, I just couldn't bare to ever see or hear the guy again.

LuckyTheWonderDog
07-26-2007, 04:05 AM
The art of a dope hip hop producer is dj scratching. Kanye doesn't know how to do it.

Yeah, cos RZA, Prince Paul and Pete Rock are the greatest scratch DJs ever....

Come Honor Face
07-26-2007, 10:46 AM
DJ Premeir is the scratchmaster! He pwns even Rza on that shit. Overall Rza is the G.O.AT. producer though.

DJMethods
07-26-2007, 11:02 AM
Premo isnt the best lol, I prefer Jazzy Jeff or Mix Master, or Q-Bert but he doesnt lay a lot down on tracks, he makes tracks, same with mix master i guess. Babu is dope as fuck too.

LuckyTheWonderDog
07-26-2007, 11:07 AM
Premo isnt the best lol, I prefer Jazzy Jeff or Mix Master, or Q-Bert but he doesnt lay a lot down on tracks, he makes tracks, same with mix master i guess. Babu is dope as fuck too.

Yeah, can't see Premo winning a DMC championship or something.

Come Honor Face
07-26-2007, 11:32 AM
Premo isnt the best lol, I prefer Jazzy Jeff or Mix Master, or Q-Bert but he doesnt lay a lot down on tracks, he makes tracks, same with mix master i guess. Babu is dope as fuck too.

Do these guys produce songs? I kinda meant producers that use scratches.
If what you say is true, Jazzy Jeff, and Mix Master could be dangerous.

DJMethods
07-26-2007, 11:41 AM
Do these guys produce songs? I kinda meant producers that use scratches.
If what you say is true, Jazzy Jeff, and Mix Master could be dangerous.

Jazzy Jeff lays cutting and scratching perfectly, like it's in the beat not on the beat (If that makes sense).

Babu produces (Dilated Peoples), he'd be one of my favourites. I loved Expansion Team but dont really feel Dilated, but he always makes dope beats.

Mix master was the Beastie Boys DJ, not sure at all about production credits, but check out "return of The Cyklops" - Album of him scratching, dope as fuck though.

Q-Bert's the best DJ in the world hands down IMO. Ever heard of Pink Floyd's "The Wall"?? Well, he made a movie where every noise is beats and the script is done by cutting and scratching, the whole things done on turntables. Dope fucking movie too, makes you trip out. Called "Wave Twisters"

There are countless others, DJ Craze just got through winning the DMC championships 3 times in a row a couple of years ago (They retire after the third time). But yeah man, check out the shit I mentioned, I was into all that even before Wu lol

LuckyTheWonderDog
07-26-2007, 11:52 AM
Jazzy Jeff lays cutting and scratching perfectly, like it's in the beat not on the beat (If that makes sense).

Babu produces (Dilated Peoples), he'd be one of my favourites. I loved Expansion Team but dont really feel Dilated, but he always makes dope beats.

Mix master was the Beastie Boys DJ, not sure at all about production credits, but check out "return of The Cyklops" - Album of him scratching, dope as fuck though.

Q-Bert's the best DJ in the world hands down IMO. Ever heard of Pink Floyd's "The Wall"?? Well, he made a movie where every noise is beats and the script is done by cutting and scratching, the whole things done on turntables. Dope fucking movie too, makes you trip out. Called "Wave Twisters"

There are countless others, DJ Craze just got through winning the DMC championships 3 times in a row a couple of years ago (They retire after the third time). But yeah man, check out the shit I mentioned, I was into all that even before Wu lol

Yeah, Q-Bert's probably the best I've ever heard, but he never seems to have been into all that championship stuff. I got Wave Twisters on dvd - crazy shit.

DJMethods
07-26-2007, 12:02 PM
Nah man, Q-Bert won the DMC a while back, can't remember the exact date but I'm thinking early to mid 90's. Hmm, not sure on the exact ones, but I know he's won 3 in a row like the others. Whats with that retiring after 3? lol, never got that just some tradition.

Wave Twisters is dope as hell man. I saw that for the first time coming down off a pill, I sat there not moving for the hour or whatever, it ended and me and my mates just looked at eachother like "what the fuck" haha

also reccomend seeing "scratch", that made me want to be a turntablist. Just craved the shit after watching that doco, that and Freshest Kids are tthe dopest hip-hop doco's out there.

LuckyTheWonderDog
07-26-2007, 12:07 PM
Here's all the DMC winners. I'd forgotten that Q-Bert won it as Rocksteady DJs in 1992 with Mixmaster Mike & DJ Apollo. He then won in 1993/1994 as Dreamteam with just Mixmaster Mike. They brought in the seperate team championship more recently.

1985 Roger Johnson (UK)
(http://www.dmcworld.com/championships/worldchampions/1986cheese.asp)1986 DJ Cheese (USA)
1987 Chad Jackson (UK)
1988 Cash Money (USA)
1989 Cutmaster Swift (UK)
1990/1991 DJ David (Germany)
1992 Rocksteady DJs (USA)
1993/1994 Dreamteam (USA)
1995 Roc Raida (USA)
1996 DJ Noize (Denmark)
1997 A-Trak (Canada)
1998/1999/2000 Craze (USA)
2001 Plus One (UK)
2002 Kentaro (Japan)
2003 Dopey (Canada)
2004/2005 ie.MERG (USA)
2006 Netik (France

DJMethods
07-26-2007, 12:15 PM
Haha Roc Raida! If you havent seen his body tricks you havent seen shit. Dude is crazy as hell, X-ecutioner, they lay down some weird shit. Dope though, kinda like Skratch Pixlz with the band layout.

They say no turntablists have ever retired? Craze never went in again after, Q-Bert and Mix Master don't either. Hmm, weird.

Cheers for that man, have to check out some of the later dudes.

LuckyTheWonderDog
07-26-2007, 12:21 PM
Haha Roc Raida! If you havent seen his body tricks you havent seen shit. Dude is crazy as hell, X-ecutioner, they lay down some weird shit. Dope though, kinda like Skratch Pixlz with the band layout.

They say no turntablists have ever retired? Craze never went in again after, Q-Bert and Mix Master don't either. Hmm, weird.

Cheers for that man, have to check out some of the later dudes.

DJ Plus-One is dope. He's part of The Scratch Perverts who've won the Team Championship in 1999 and in 2001 with The Allies (DJ Craze & A-Trak) as Perverted Allies. He's also won the Vestax Championship. Prime Cuts won a couple of ITF titles as well. Former Scratch Perverts members Harry Love and Mr Thing are now two of the top UK hip-hop dj/producers.

Krimewave
07-26-2007, 12:22 PM
Kanye West is a bag of shite...

LuckyTheWonderDog
07-26-2007, 12:22 PM
Kanye West is a bag of shite...

Shhhhhhhhhhhh. I thought we'd got away with turning this into a DJ discussion!

DJMethods
07-26-2007, 12:37 PM
DJ Plus-One is dope. He's part of The Scratch Perverts who've won the Team Championship in 1999 and in 2001 with The Allies (DJ Craze & A-Trak) as Perverted Allies. He's also won the Vestax Championship. Prime Cuts won a couple of ITF titles as well. Former Scratch Perverts members Harry Love and Mr Thing are now two of the top UK hip-hop dj/producers.

Scratch Perverts are dope, but I've only heard two sets and they were off youtube. They need to re-do Scratch with all these new cats... and Kanye West haha

Come Honor Face
07-26-2007, 12:43 PM
Who wants to see a gay pervert?

Longbongcilvaringz
07-27-2007, 01:10 AM
my opinion:

kanye first album is overall average, hugely over rated. had some good tracks though, i i still listen to a few tracks off it.

his second album was in a similar vein, although he decided having jay z on there would be a good idea.

his production on blueprint was average at best.

his production on talib "Quality" album was been dope.

his work with rhymefest was dope.

his work on Finding Forever was great, and much better than his solos.

Stronger is a good single, and "Cant Tell Me Nothing" is ok.

i have a feeling "Graduation" will be much better than his previous albums.

11th Chamber
07-27-2007, 01:47 AM
my opinion:

kanye first album is overall average, hugely over rated. had some good tracks though, i i still listen to a few tracks off it.

his second album was in a similar vein, although he decided having jay z on there would be a good idea.

his production on blueprint was average at best.

his production on talib "Quality" album was been dope.

his work with rhymefest was dope.

his work on Finding Forever was great, and much better than his solos.

Stronger is a good single, and "Cant Tell Me Nothing" is ok.

i have a feeling "Graduation" will be much better than his previous albums.

so you didnt think his 2 albums were great, and his first to singles were ok/good. Yet you got him as your avatar AND sig?

Please help me make some sense out of this

hide1998
07-27-2007, 10:42 AM
my opinion:

kanye first album is overall average, hugely over rated. had some good tracks though, i i still listen to a few tracks off it.

his second album was in a similar vein, although he decided having jay z on there would be a good idea.

his production on blueprint was average at best.

his production on talib "Quality" album was been dope.

his work with rhymefest was dope.

his work on Finding Forever was great, and much better than his solos.

Stronger is a good single, and "Cant Tell Me Nothing" is ok.

i have a feeling "Graduation" will be much better than his previous albums.


Truth be told, you're not looking at things in perspective to label the Blueprint average. The work he did with Just Blaze on that album changed the way a lot of albums are produced TODAY. Many albums you most likely bump WOULD NOT EXIST had it not been for that album. It's like calling Rakim's work with Eric B "average" because a lot of stuff you bump is on some "hyper lyrical" "12 syllable rhyme scheme" tip. So to call it "average" is ridiculous on more than one level. Has Kanye evolved since then? Of course. But look at it for the time it came out. Most albums did not have a soul laced production like that, but AFTER it dropped a lot of producers made that part of their repertoire. That's WHY Blueprint, like or not, is a classic album.

LOL @ the Kanye hate in this thread.

xHard to Earnx
07-27-2007, 10:57 AM
his second album was in a similar vein, although he decided having jay z on there would be a good idea.


Huh? Jay-Z was on the first one too.

And besides, having Jay-Z somewhere is always a good idea (except for the obvious homo situations, you idiots).

tragedykhadafi12
07-27-2007, 11:49 AM
I don't like kanye at all I think he is a retard. His music may be alright sometimes but hes a dick

VallKano
07-27-2007, 01:16 PM
im not gonna lie he act gay as fuck and hes a spoiled only child who thinks hes the shit and throws temper tantrums...now to the music

his music is mixed too much and usually loses something it sounds watered down too much...all his beats are the same i used 516 4 second samples guys look ITS A MASTERPIECE...not really basic is the key not just cuz ur beat never really loops does it make it good or "hot"

Galvatron97
07-27-2007, 03:25 PM
thats why i like Kanye's beats because they are somewhat complex and dont loop every 4 seconds and he puts thought into them....i dont like that simple shit...

ckretwon
07-27-2007, 04:58 PM
george bush don't like black people. need i say more? the nerve of him making a song with nas rakim krs and premo. he's such a little bitch. he's not even in the same catagory as them niggas. he has no humility.

VallKano
07-28-2007, 03:38 AM
thats why i like Kanye's beats because they are somewhat complex and dont loop every 4 seconds and he puts thought into them....i dont like that simple shit...

why u like wu tang rza got beats that only loop and there some of the hardest songs u'll ever hear that paint a picture with a beat shit is weak man

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-28-2007, 05:55 AM
Late Registration is dope, it gets major plays on my ZVM. Kanye comes really ill on ryhmes also, its just a shame that every guest he had on that album completely kept outshining him.

Guarded By Martyrs
07-28-2007, 08:01 AM
Yeah His Songs Are Ehhhhhhh, His Beats Are A Couple Notches Above His Corny Rhymes, I Think He Should Just Stick To Beats

Definatly agree with this^
If he DID do this we wouldn't be having this debate.

Longbongcilvaringz
07-28-2007, 12:31 PM
Truth be told, you're not looking at things in perspective to label the Blueprint average. The work he did with Just Blaze on that album changed the way a lot of albums are produced TODAY. Many albums you most likely bump WOULD NOT EXIST had it not been for that album. It's like calling Rakim's work with Eric B "average" because a lot of stuff you bump is on some "hyper lyrical" "12 syllable rhyme scheme" tip. So to call it "average" is ridiculous on more than one level. Has Kanye evolved since then? Of course. But look at it for the time it came out. Most albums did not have a soul laced production like that, but AFTER it dropped a lot of producers made that part of their repertoire. That's WHY Blueprint, like or not, is a classic album.

LOL @ the Kanye hate in this thread.

ok, i just hate the style of production on that album. lol at the classic part, think that if you will.

i cant really think of any album that i would like that wouldnt have been made if blueprint didnt exist.

for me, its a boring album. and kanyes production on there isnt particularly great.

you may think differently, but in the scheme of things the album just popularized an aspect of production which existed before it, and has continued to exist.

Huh? Jay-Z was on the first one too.

And besides, having Jay-Z somewhere is always a good idea (except for the obvious homo situations, you idiots).

ok, i tend to skip "Never Let Me Down" alot of the time.

my bad.

xHard to Earnx
07-28-2007, 01:00 PM
Wow. That song is so good though.

11th Chamber
07-28-2007, 01:08 PM
Wow. That song is so good though.

word, Kanye's verse on that is real sick

LORD ZERO
07-28-2007, 01:18 PM
thats why i like Kanye's beats because they are somewhat complex and dont loop every 4 seconds and he puts thought into them....i dont like that simple shit...

UR A WU FAN BUT DONT LIKE SIMPLE SAMPLE LOOPS? WHICH WAS BASICALLY THE FOUNDATION OF WU ELEMENT PRODUCTION, WANNA ELABORATE MORE ON THE "SIMPLE SHIT" TERM?

Come Honor Face
07-28-2007, 01:22 PM
So the foundation of Wu Element production was "simple shit" Na son!
Simple shit=Lil John, and whoever produced that incredibly gay D4L shit!

11th Chamber
07-28-2007, 01:28 PM
UR A WU FAN BUT DONT LIKE SIMPLE SAMPLE LOOPS? WHICH WAS BASICALLY THE FOUNDATION OF WU ELEMENT PRODUCTION, WANNA ELABORATE MORE ON THE "SIMPLE SHIT" TERM?

lol, I noticed that too, just didnt comment. Wouldent For Heavenz Sake, which is a Wu Fan favorite a sample loop?

Longbongcilvaringz
07-28-2007, 01:29 PM
Wow. That song is so good though.

word, Kanye's verse on that is real sick



yes its a better track off the album, but the quality of my version is terrible.

i guess that what i get for downloading.

oh yeah, and to the person who asked why i had kanye in my sig etc.

i just think the character hes got going is amusing/interesting.

Rame
07-28-2007, 02:17 PM
His songs are pretty good.

His skits fuck everything up.

Greek Gheynician Anal Tradition
07-29-2007, 01:06 AM
Late Registration is trash for me..Its the only lp that I am not feelin a track..Kanye is tryin to do something different but he cant do it..He is a sucka in my opinion..-dead-

Bg_Knocc_Out
07-29-2007, 01:44 AM
He's a great producer no doubt, especialy on the song "Diamonds & Mac-10's" but he constantly, at least 3 time sin a song, will rhyme something with the same word, and it gets annoying, I can understand doing it once, but when you rap slow like kanye and you can hear his lyrics wide and clear, just shows his un-creativity sometimes, but he's an all-around talent and I respect him for that.

hide1998
07-29-2007, 04:00 AM
ok, i just hate the style of production on that album. lol at the classic part, think that if you will.

i cant really think of any album that i would like that wouldnt have been made if blueprint didnt exist.

for me, its a boring album. and kanyes production on there isnt particularly great.

you may think differently, but in the scheme of things the album just popularized an aspect of production which existed before it, and has continued to exist.



ok, i tend to skip "Never Let Me Down" alot of the time.

my bad.

The part you said about the Blueprint not being classic is fairly laughable as both fans and people in the biz alike generally agree to it's classic status (as with ANY album that is generally agreed upon that it's classic). I mean, just because you're not feeling something doesn't make it NOT a classic.

And it's not the the fact that it was the first album to use soul samples for beats (as neither I, and I doubt any else, would try to argue). It's the WAY it convinced other producers that didn't use samples the way Kanye to incorporate it into their repertoire after it dropped.

But yeah, the Kanye hate in this thread is fierce so nothing I say is going to persuade you to see the reality of Blueprint's classic status. But it is what it is *shrugs*

Longbongcilvaringz
07-29-2007, 05:26 AM
haha, there is no way in hell it is a classic.

maybe a personal classic for you, but in no way a hip hop classic.

so its a classic because it some how convinced other producers to use soul samples? like who?

the only thing it proves is that soul sampling as you called it can sell, but this is only because it was attached to the jay z name.

the album was not revolutionary or original and any impact it had, was on pop music and not on hip hop music as a whole.

hide1998
07-29-2007, 11:08 AM
haha, there is no way in hell it is a classic.

maybe a personal classic for you, but in no way a hip hop classic.

so its a classic because it some how convinced other producers to use soul samples? like who?

the only thing it proves is that soul sampling as you called it can sell, but this is only because it was attached to the jay z name.

the album was not revolutionary or original and any impact it had, was on pop music and not on hip hop music as a whole.

How is it a "personal" classic when several respected publications label it as such? Furthermore, respected MCs attest to it's classic status as well. That kind of takes the "personal" aspect out of it in my opinion. Personally, it's not even my favorite Jay-Z album, but it's a classic nonetheless (also, I'm not so much a fan of Jay-Z, but I recognize his talent and the fact he has more than a couple dope, or in this case classic, CDs under his belt). I don't even think Blueprint is Jay-Z's highest selling album, so you saying it only sold because his name was attached to it is a rather moot point.

I'm just saying, I get you don't really feel the album, but it's classic status is what it is. There are some classic albums I don't feel to that degree, but respect it for what it is and give it it's due props. It's impact on the hip-hop game is undeniable (even if you don't feel the album).

Longbongcilvaringz
07-29-2007, 11:16 AM
hip hop publications, and many hip hop artists have terrible taste in hip hop.

im saying it would have sold regardless of the production style, thats why kanye became popular, because of his work with jay.

musically the album had little impact.

so i disagree about the impact, but lets leave it there. you think its a hip hop classic, i dont. simple.

xHard to Earnx
07-29-2007, 11:46 AM
at least 3 time sin a song, will rhyme something with the same word

That's completely not true. I'd say a lot of that is probably attributed to lazy listening and that he's rhyming something else around the repeated word.

Dante
07-29-2007, 12:08 PM
Not into Kanye's style.

RAMESH
07-30-2007, 01:34 AM
kanye west is a good producer & some of his raps is decent to average

beardman
07-30-2007, 05:09 AM
Danm now a days whenever someone makes a DECENT album, it's called a classic.

CLASSIC means real special and doesn't mean decent.

Classic is:

Eric B & Rakim - Paid in Full
NWA - Straight outta compton
Dr Dre - Chronic

Etc.... albums that actually changed the rapgame and were special in their time and are still being listened to.

I don't think anyone will listen to any of Kanye's cd's in 10 years.
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J.T.S.
07-30-2007, 12:31 PM
College Dropout has classic production!!

LuckyTheWonderDog
07-30-2007, 12:45 PM
Danm now a days whenever someone makes a DECENT album, it's called a classic.

CLASSIC means real special and doesn't mean decent.

Classic is:

Eric B & Rakim - Paid in Full
NWA - Straight outta compton
Dr Dre - Chronic

Etc.... albums that actually changed the rapgame and were special in their time and are still being listened to.

I don't think anyone will listen to any of Kanye's cd's in 10 years.
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Kanye is a decent rapper, nothing special. But his songs are refreshing.

I agree that classic seems to now mean a new hip-hop release that's actually good as opposed to the absolute classic release that stood out from all the good and even very good releases.

I don't like The Chronic, but would never dispute it's 'classic' status. I don't like Kanye, but would dispute that either of his albums is a 'classic'.

THE W
07-30-2007, 04:12 PM
shows how horrible the hip hop climate is when people are so desperate to slap the word "classic" on anything that is marginally good.

kewell07
07-31-2007, 07:45 AM
Kanye West is overrated in my opinion. I like a couple of his production, but I like a lot of producers productions, I don't think he at all stand out from lets say Alchemist,justblaze,Havoc. and he dosn't come close to dj premier,dj muggs or rza. I even like some of Green Lantern production better. But I guess it's about taste.

-IrOnBuLL-
07-31-2007, 08:47 AM
i guess im the only one that recognizes kanye az a talented emcee
but he do need to drop his cockiness a lil bit