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STYLE
09-24-2007, 12:51 PM
Sig battle:
1rd
theme:? ??? TBA any suggestions??
deadline: weds midnight eastern time

to go along with the theme our our discussion lets add a dimension.... you must have original artwork elements.
the amount is up to the artist. (lets explore your theory ;) )


we will have open judging based on these criteria

technical execution
creativity
conceptual execution (how well did the artists convey the message)
overall dopeness lol (visual beauty)


Hz, feel free to add or adjust these terms.

Suga Duga
09-24-2007, 12:56 PM
what about only using the stock brushes, effects included in PS, nothing downloaded b/c Hz deep stated some critic about the work of some artists here b/c they use dl brushes, effects, etc.
I think that's a pretty offensive statement but yea

btw I just finished a sig which includes no dl brushes or so on, just the default settings in PS:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/Chaosdefiler/BrooklynBabies.png

STYLE
09-24-2007, 01:12 PM
so to continue our discussion......

i agree with many of your points, but i feel your definition of plagiarism is too broad. or maybe i misunderstood you.
yes taking another persons artwork and displaying it in my gallery as my own is a bold faced lie, but isn't that completly diff from the sigs that are all over this board?

us law requires you to change 33 percent of an image in order to avoid copyright violations. but what about artists like warhol? a large chunk of his work was simple alteration of others work.

i also feel that artistic value is in the eye of the beholder, independant of the artists experience or technique. look at the galleries full of abstract paintings. one splash of red paint on a white canvas lol.

not to beat a dead horse but warhol (a fav artist of mine) even photographed piss on ph reactive paper. there have been monkeys, elephants and i just read an article on worms, painting.

and to refrence your analogy of the 4 bar soul sample premo, kanye and RZA each have a catalog of such beats. plus the 1st beats were nothing but looped breakbeats.
think of how many classic beats are nothing but a loop and kick and snare. yes music has evolved but does that somehow void the creativity of past work?

i think you have zeroed in on one type of creativity and negated many other forms.

thoughts?

STYLE
09-24-2007, 01:23 PM
what about only using the stock brushes, effects included in PS, nothing downloaded b/c Hz deep stated some critic about the work of some artists here b/c they use dl brushes, effects, etc.
I think that's a pretty offensive statement but yea

btw I just finished a sig which includes no dl brushes or so on, just the default settings in PS:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/Chaosdefiler/BrooklynBabies.png

funny cause all i use is the basic ps settings lol(i do use alien filters). to be honest i was trained b4 the "brush revolution" so my technique involves layers with blending settings. i really don't see the massive appeal in brushes to be honest. i was purposely taught how to recreate most filters from scratch to get a full understanding of how they worked. ive found that in many cases you have much more control and flexibility by doing it yourself.

but i'm not feeling the suggestion, i kinda want this match to be "style vs style, tech vs tech" so i don't want to limit the tools available.

i wanna see what Hz comes with cause he talks mad shit in a sort of between the lines snide remark type of way. (which i throughly enjoy BTW)

so i want theme suggestions, and any other limits will be determined by me and him. not to shoot you down... but if you want i'll battle you using the default ps.

and bk babies is tight. BTW
( i would play with the fadeouts on rza and ugod and maybe the color balance to get a better blend. they seem to pop out unnaturally , just an honest opinion) but tight none the less.

Hz Deep
09-24-2007, 08:59 PM
so to continue our discussion......

i agree with many of your points, but i feel your definition of plagiarism is too broad. or maybe i misunderstood you.
yes taking another persons artwork and displaying it in my gallery as my own is a bold faced lie, but isn't that completly diff from the sigs that are all over this board?

I don't think my definition of plagarism is too broad, although it sounds ridiculous when apllied to "the sigs that are all over this board" I meant that purely in the context of your "industry" example.

Don't be under the illusion that i think that anyone who just throws together a sig with their favourite basketball player over a logo of their team is guilty of a lack of creativity, they no doubt feel a certain amount of pride in creating their own homage to their team, and who am I to deny them that. If on the other hand, they want to take themselves seriously enough to resort to retoric implying their superior creativity because of their ability to copy and paste, then surely their creativity comes into question?


us law requires you to change 33 percent of an image in order to avoid copyright violations. but what about artists like warhol? a large chunk of his work was simple alteration of others work.

I don't see the relevance of Andy Warhol's work, although I can see how you might have thought about him as an example. Although his work could be argued to be simple alterations of others material, a lot of it involved a lot more thought than simply removing a background from a few images then placing them side by side.

With a large part of his work being screen printed, he at the very least had to choose his subject, decide how best to cut his stencil to retain a likeness, choose his colour palette for desired impact. Even in the most simple works it could be argued he forced the viewer to ask questions that simply viewing the original might never have done.


i also feel that artistic value is in the eye of the beholder, independant of the artists experience or technique. look at the galleries full of abstract paintings. one splash of red paint on a white canvas lol.

not to beat a dead horse but warhol (a fav artist of mine) even photographed piss on ph reactive paper. there have been monkeys, elephants and i just read an article on worms, painting.

..not to mention genrative music computer algorithms, robots with AI jamming with drummer's etc.

With this kind of thing I'm sure more than ever the artistic value does lie in the viewers perception. Take the animal's painting, we could have a whole other discussion about whether the creativity lies with the animals themselves or those who facilitated the conditions for them to do so.


and to refrence your analogy of the 4 bar soul sample premo, kanye and RZA each have a catalog of such beats. plus the 1st beats were nothing but looped breakbeats.
think of how many classic beats are nothing but a loop and kick and snare. yes music has evolved but does that somehow void the creativity of past work?

I can see how what I said might have been interpreted that way. However I've got nothing against techniques that revolve around recycling pre-existing material. It's just that personally I feel there is a certain threshold of creativity any piece of work should reach before I can consider it to be valid as a work of "art" in it's own right. Of course the creativity in the music of the past isn't undermined by music's evolution, but the fact remains that the threshold of creativity rises exponentially alongside the advancement of technological and social factors.

For example when the turntable was the only tool available to a DJ and Kool Herc started extending breaks, that was new, people saw the value in it because it was the only way they could hear the breaks they loved extended for that long. Then GMF came up with the cross-fader and the whole process grew and expanded, now you don't get a DJ standing there simply repeating the break of a record unless they're chopping the shit out of it in some complex beat-juggle, because nobody would be impressed and they know that.

In regards to Premo, Kanye, RZA and countless others, yes they do use large sections of pre-existing material from time to time, but they do for the most part impart a new structure to the material. Whether this is at the level of the groove through manipulating the timing of the sampled material alone, at the level of creating a new structure throughout a song, or through manipulating pitch and the order of individual notes and hits. Substantially more creativity goes into this process than that adopted by many amatuer beat-makers of looping 1/2/4 bars for 5 minutes with a primitve drum pattern providing the only variation. The later 'contemporary' amatuer's being those who I was referring to in my previous analogy.



i think you have zeroed in on one type of creativity and negated many other forms.

thoughts?

I wouldn't say that exactly, I might not have referenced many other forms to try and make my point, but regardless of whether they involve complicated technical elements, accumulated knowledge or just some kind of creative thought process, there must be with all types of creativity a line that is drawn between creating and copying. I think I've actually been quite conservative in where I've drawn it.

I'm amazed! I hit up wutangcorp in a bid to kill some down-time at the weekend, and find myself find deep in conversation on the nature of creativity.

I'm afraid we're going to go around in circles on this one though ad infinitum. The subject is just too subjective!

In response to The GFX...
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, I have nothing against using brushes and filters, and I don't believe I actually said that. I certainly didn't mean to cause offence. I was referring to just cutting and pasting a logo or graphic and little else. My key point was meant to be the lack of value in doing this, as opposed to combining more subtle elements to create something with more originality.

Hz Deep
09-24-2007, 09:18 PM
Sig battle:
1rd
theme:? ??? TBA any suggestions??
deadline: weds midnight eastern time

to go along with the theme our our discussion lets add a dimension.... you must have original artwork elements.
the amount is up to the artist. (lets explore your theory ;) )


we will have open judging based on these criteria

technical execution
creativity
conceptual execution (how well did the artists convey the message)
overall dopeness lol (visual beauty)


Hz, feel free to add or adjust these terms.

Judging by your responses to my initial post, I seriously doubt "my theory" is even a factor in this battle. You clearly have a higher level of creativity in your work than that sig indicated.

As far as terms and theme go, I'm not bothered either way brushes and filters or none, whatever you like. I've got to crash out now though, I'll hit this thread up after I finish working tomorrow.
Pz.

Suga Duga
09-24-2007, 09:21 PM
In response to The GFX...
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, I have nothing against using brushes and filters, and I don't believe I actually said that. I certainly didn't mean to cause offence. I was referring to just cutting and pasting a logo or graphic and little else. My key point was meant to be the lack of value in doing this, as opposed to combining more subtle elements to create something with more originality.

I was talking about your comment where you mentioned that ppl use brushes other ppl made, effects, fonts etc.
your statement right here is clear and I respect it, I just think there's nothing bad about using brushes somebody else did as long as they aren't the most important thing in somebody's sig. put some effects on it, make it look different, be creative (creativity and originality seems to be the main topic here).

check my thread and I guarantee you it'll be hard to see any obviously used brushes or fonts (most of the time I use the Agency font so) somebody else did.

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41037

nice discussion guys, interesting read

STYLE
09-24-2007, 09:27 PM
i just have one response to your statements.
"With a large part of his work being screen printed, he at the very least had to choose his subject, decide how best to cut his stencil to retain a likeness, choose his colour palette for desired impact. Even in the most simple works it could be argued he forced the viewer to ask questions that simply viewing the original might never have done."

sounds just like a photoshop cut and paste with some colorbalance/hue adjustments


which is similar, in point, to this:


"For example when the turntable was the only tool available to a DJ and Kool Herc started extending breaks, that was new, people saw the value in it because it was the only way they could hear the breaks they loved extended for that long. Then GMF came up with the cross-fader and the whole process grew and expanded, now you don't get a DJ standing there simply repeating the break of a record unless they're chopping the shit out of it in some complex beat-juggle, because nobody would be impressed and they know that."

technology alters the speed and ease in which an artist does his thing.



coincidently i was surfing around looking for new design inspiration and found this.
http://www.artchive.com/juxt/juxt9/juxt9.html
this 1pg article talks about art vs n'art- or "original/traditional art vs nontrad. when u find time scan it over. he basically draws the line of what is true art. especially the impact of tools that allow the common man to create art. i think you'll find both our positions represented.
but yeah, circular logic. i enjoyed this meeting of the minds.

next subject...battle theme.

7EL7
09-24-2007, 10:38 PM
Stylemaster vs Hz Deep sig battle



^^^LMAO !^^^

Suga Duga
09-24-2007, 10:45 PM
what's so funny about that?

mashqauck
09-24-2007, 11:25 PM
yo this is gonna be a tight battle. all i know is that Hz is a seriously talented guy and he will definitely come through on this

STYLE
09-25-2007, 12:34 AM
we need theme suggestions. since no one has made 1 yet, 1st sugg. is official

BRONZBODY
09-25-2007, 01:46 AM
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/niguh1/928376_20070921_screen002.jpg

whoever wins will be mah sig


make em vote or somthin

Hz Deep
09-25-2007, 09:06 AM
i just have one response to your statements.
"With a large part of his work being screen printed, he at the very least had to choose his subject, decide how best to cut his stencil to retain a likeness, choose his colour palette for desired impact. Even in the most simple works it could be argued he forced the viewer to ask questions that simply viewing the original might never have done."

sounds just like a photoshop cut and paste with some colorbalance/hue adjustments
Of course I agree, when we are talking about a slightly more involved PS process, changing colour balance etc to create a similar effect. I see my point as more like -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/djoptimus/marilyn1.jpg vs http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/djoptimus/marilyn2.jpg



which is similar, in point, to this:


"For example when the turntable was the only tool available to a DJ and Kool Herc started extending breaks, that was new, people saw the value in it because it was the only way they could hear the breaks they loved extended for that long. Then GMF came up with the cross-fader and the whole process grew and expanded, now you don't get a DJ standing there simply repeating the break of a record unless they're chopping the shit out of it in some complex beat-juggle, because nobody would be impressed and they know that."

technology alters the speed and ease in which an artist does his thing.

But you have to agree that with advancements in technology the bar is raised somewhat? A DJ can now just hit loop on a set of CDJ's and extend a break infinitely, but surely the creativity in that process lies with the inventor of the loop function on the CD decks, not with the DJ? If they decide to use the freedom this function gives them to elaborate on that break and develop it, perhaps by banging out a new bassline over it, or looping a few more CDJ's and cutting between them, then great. If they just hit loop stand back and grab their drink, what seperates them from the crowd? apart from having pushed a button twice. I know I'd want my money back if I'd paid to see a show and this happend, the fact that in theory this was all Kool Herc did with turntables doesn't make it creative now.



coincidently i was surfing around looking for new design inspiration and found this.
http://www.artchive.com/juxt/juxt9/juxt9.html
this 1pg article talks about art vs n'art- or "original/traditional art vs nontrad. when u find time scan it over. he basically draws the line of what is true art. especially the impact of tools that allow the common man to create art. i think you'll find both our positions represented.
but yeah, circular logic. i enjoyed this meeting of the minds.

next subject...battle theme.

This article looks interesting, I'm going to have a proper read of that when I'm not so busy, which brings me to my next point... we've got a minor emergency on a website we're working on which is likely to take up most of my time tonight. Then tomorrow I'm off to play at a party at the other end of the country, and as it coinsides with my with my girlfriend's annual leave she wants to stay down there for the duration. Which puts me out of it until the 7th or 8th of October.

i was going to get on it this afternoon, but as we haven't got a theme sorted are you up for postponing until then? It might give us more opportunity to discuss ideas for a really good theme, and I'd like to be able to enjoy creating this, not just bang something out in a spare hour between paid projects.

STYLE
09-25-2007, 11:24 AM
eh, w/e man. classsic hz. lots of talk little action.

Hz Deep
09-25-2007, 12:40 PM
eh, w/e man. classsic hz. lots of talk little action.

In fairness to me, I've enjoyed our discussion as well, but I didn't come on here with the intention of battling you. I'm fully prepared to, like I said, and I intend to, but I'm not prepared to sack off someone who's paying me in favour of spending the time on sig battle.

I thought you might have named a theme by the time I checked back on here earlier today, and I could have spent some time this afternoon doing it. I don't think the time difference is doing us any favours though, it's now 6:20pm over here, and as my client has a day job, evenings are the only time he has for us to get together to discuss his site.

I have to drive 300 miles tomorrow, so I won't be doing shit online then, and I doubt my girlfriend will appreciate me spending time on her holiday battling on an internet forum, you get me?

You don't need to pick the theme until I'm ready to go, it's not like I'm begging to extend the deadline, or saying I WON'T battle you, or using the old classic "er.. I accidentally deleted PS".

I'm sorry, but real life takes priority over an internet forum for me.
Take this as a forfeit if you like, claim a victory... I'll start a new thread when I get back and we can call it a re-match if that makes you more comfortable!

STYLE
09-25-2007, 01:02 PM
claiming vics when they are not earned is not my style . i was just doing my research last night and found some interesting behavior u exhibit. and you can act like u don't know what i'm talking about but we both know what i mean ;)

but i was particularly upset to find you guilty of plagairism. especially when you went out of your way to accuse me of it.

Sean
09-25-2007, 01:32 PM
:z

....when you gonna make some sigs?

Hz Deep
09-25-2007, 01:39 PM
claiming vics when they are not earned is not my style . i was just doing my research last night and found some interesting behavior u exhibit. and you can act like u don't know what i'm talking about but we both know what i mean ;)

but i was particularly upset to find you guilty of plagairism. especially when you went out of your way to accuse me of it.


You've seriously been researching for a sig battle? I didn't realise we were meant to take it that seriously. When I get back I'll try and make an effort to read every post you've ever made.

Please do show me an example of me equating anything I did to shots from a tech9 or any other such retoric to something that was actually plagiarised? I think I stated before I've certainly used images and brushes or both, in stuff I've done in the past, but certainly not in any I'm particularly proud of.

Ya_Bane
09-25-2007, 03:58 PM
Theme suggestions:

American talkshows. Oprah, Ricky, Dr. Phil, whatever. Difficulty: tricky.

or

MP3-players. Difficulty: easier


Pick one

Sean
09-25-2007, 04:00 PM
Lol there's a fierce rivalry boiling up here, you just know they're both gonna spend days trying to make the best sig lol.

STYLE
09-25-2007, 04:08 PM
:z

....when you gonna make some sigs?

when hz stops bullshittin.

HZ...
you should never enter any comp without knowing something about your opponent. I just wanted to peep your style. but it was sad that i had to dig back to 2005 to find a single graphic post from u. (Dojo sig)

but i found post upon post upon post of you criticizing other folks work. most of which i found to be personal opinion/taste. which falls in line with your logic. " if someone isn't doing what your doing or how you're doing it, its wrong"

you talk a good game but i found that when it comes time to produce something you always have an excuse and on numerous occasions it involves your girl wanting you to do something. so i figured that this was excuse your M.O.

i also don't appreciate you calling me a thief. my animation was made by me and me only. there is not another one out there in the world. you may not like it but that is besides the point. i find that you tend to pick and choose what is real technique and what is not, but have no real criteria, outside of your opinion, by which to judge.

by your own standards your sig is not art nor is it original. you may fool others but i know that the minor addition of your name to a stolen animation is not a big task. considering it takes 3 steps to make the 3d "hz". your material is preloaded default (nukai?)and you added 2 friggin lights. WEEE!! then you throw some random abstract colors in the bkg that don't even match the ball animation in scheme flavor nor context. and the execution of your concept was novice at best.

but yet on multiple occasions have questioned others creativity and originality for the very same process you display on a regular basis. and by returning to the idea that i stole something makes me think you are a liar as well since you retracted your accusation yesterday.

i just found your whole steelo to be negative hypocritical self righteous.

ahhhhhh....exhale.....now that i got all that off of my chest...... you still wanna battle? lol

just set the thread up when you are ready and i'll be there with bells on.

STYLE
09-25-2007, 04:10 PM
Theme suggestions:

American talkshows. Oprah, Ricky, Dr. Phil, whatever. Difficulty: tricky.

or

MP3-players. Difficulty: easier


Pick one

talkshows quite the original topic.

Ya_Bane
09-25-2007, 04:25 PM
talkshows quite the original topic.


yeah I think it could be real interesting. Cuz you gotta leave that flashy sci-fi-ish backgrounds that 90% of the sigs around here got going on, and come up with something else.

Ya_Bane
09-25-2007, 04:30 PM
Also, one idea could be that you both send the complete sigs to someone when you're done, so that none of you get to see the others before he's done himself. You get what I'm saying. And then that person ups them at the same time when both are done. To make it 100% fair.

My PM-box got room if I can be viewed as objective enough. Or if you trust someone else more send it to him.


Anyway, I'm really interested to see how this tunes out, you got quite the heat built up.

PEACE

Suga Duga
09-25-2007, 04:57 PM
yeah I think it could be real interesting. Cuz you gotta leave that flashy sci-fi-ish backgrounds that 90% of the sigs around here got going on, and come up with something else.

I don't think so...
the reason why "90% of the sigs" have these kind of backgrounds, is b/c they're a challenge to do (I can only speak for myself, at least those that I create are alot of work)

so I think you guys should do that differently

following rules (just my thoughts):
size: 360x130
smudged background required
C4D Render allowed
colors that have to be in the sig: dark-red, black
only stock brushes and effects

the rest is up to you

STYLE
09-25-2007, 05:17 PM
question: what is a smudged bkg? and why is that important to this battle if we can only use stock brushes.
there are prob some steps that you could eliminate by analyzing your workflow. it would save you some time. but i think what bane meant is that sci fi bkgs don't really fit the feel of oprah or ricki lake. they are softer feminine, jerry is comical with a layer of scum lol, phil is...hmmmm ....have to really think about that one. but its less of a teech issue and more of a concept issue.
i mean you could make a brushed scifi bkg with Oprah on it , but would that have the strongest impact and best visually convey your message?

Lol there's a fierce rivalry boiling up here, you just know they're both gonna spend days trying to make the best sig lol.
yup i love to compete, especially when emotions get involved. the best games are ones that have drama(ny/bos nicks/heat SD/NE Style/Hz)

Suga Duga
09-25-2007, 05:24 PM
question: what is a smudged bkg? and why is that important to this battle if we can only use stock brushes.

stock brushes: to prove your creativity, play around with the stock brushes

smudged background (not my sig, found it on a different forum, pretty weak but now you should know what a smudged background is):

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/Dragondj0/Signatures%20avatars%20and%20other/LauranSigcopy.jpg

STYLE
09-25-2007, 05:33 PM
stock brushes: to prove your creativity, play around with the stock brushes

smudged background (not my sig, found it on a different forum, pretty weak but now you should know what a smudged background is):

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/Dragondj0/Signatures%20avatars%20and%20other/LauranSigcopy.jpg

so is smudged determined by the technique or look? i ask because like any look it can be created a million ways.

i would have used cloud filter and a b/w graphic pen filter with a overlay blend to get a similar effect.
i know you really like brushes man but i feel like you are limiting yourself by not exploring other options. not saying its easy or not dopelooking or unoriginal. just limited.


*edit*

plus you have so much real estate that can be used to convey your message. instead of filling it with ambiguous abstract shapes and colors why not use it to tell a story?

Suga Duga
09-25-2007, 05:41 PM
so is smudged determined by the technique or look? i ask because like any look it can be created a million ways.

i would have used cloud filter and a b/w graphic pen filter with a overlay blend to get a similar effect.
i know you really like brushes man but i feel like you are limiting yourself by not exploring other options. not saying its easy or not dopelooking or unoriginal. just limited.

ok

Hz Deep
09-25-2007, 07:43 PM
when hz stops bullshittin.

HZ...
you should never enter any comp without knowing something about your opponent. I just wanted to peep your style. but it was sad that i had to dig back to 2005 to find a single graphic post from u. (Dojo sig)
Yep, sorry I used to post a lot more but kind of trailed off after the last big crash, I didn't realise there was a quota I was supposed to fill on here.


but i found post upon post upon post of you criticizing other folks work. most of which i found to be personal opinion/taste. which falls in line with your logic. " if someone isn't doing what your doing or how you're doing it, its wrong"
That's a gross misinterpretation of "my logic". I agree that looking over my posts they will generally seem critical, but I at least try to be constructive most of the time.

I've alway's been under the impression that was why most people post their work, to judge it against various personal opinions/tastes. I know I've had my fair share of criticism in the past, and I see that as a positive thing, no matter who it comes from. Equally there are plenty of people posting stuff far from "what I was doing" who have recieved my praise in the past.


you talk a good game but i found that when it comes time to produce something you always have an excuse and on numerous occasions it involves your girl wanting you to do something. so i figured that this was excuse your M.O.
I can see how you might think this, but normally this is in the case of not taking on additional requests for sigs, not turning down battles (in fact I think you'd be hard pushed to find even one example of this) This is in large part why I haven't posted for so long on here, let alone posted any graphics, a simple lack of spare time.

At the time of the post's you have been scrutinising so avidly, I was working, studying at uni, and involved in promoting music events in the city where I live, so the little spare time I had was often spare one minute then QT with the girlfriend the next.

Have you got a girl? If so when she asks you if you want to go do something, do you say "no thanks, I'm gonna stay here with my computer and make a sig for some random stranger I'm talking to on the internet"?


i also don't appreciate you calling me a thief. my animation was made by me and me only. there is not another one out there in the world. you may not like it but that is besides the point. i find that you tend to pick and choose what is real technique and what is not, but have no real criteria, outside of your opinion, by which to judge.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/djoptimus/9002-QTVR2.gif

so in your opinion this one might not have made me think your "original animation" statement was at least bending the truth a little. or do you not agree that it is an animation? of the same statue that you have created yours with? which has no other like it in the world?

This is the point from which our whole argument has been blown out of all proportion, I'm not picking and choosing what a real technique is, I simply misunderstood what must of happened. I assumed you had ripped a section of the original animation I have shown a lo-res example of above. When infact if I understand you correctly, you either found stills of the animation and re-created it without prior knowledge of the animated version, or you created the original animation for the website.


by your own standards your sig is not art nor is it original. you may fool others but i know that the minor addition of your name to a stolen animation is not a big task. considering it takes 3 steps to make the 3d "hz". your material is preloaded default (nukai?)and you added 2 friggin lights. WEEE!! then you throw some random abstract colors in the bkg that don't even match the ball animation in scheme flavor nor context. and the execution of your concept was novice at best.
You sound a little upset now. Like I said this is old as time, it does look novice, I agree. It is also SOME OF THE FIRST 3D WORK I EVER DID (did you catch that this time) and if animating a popular basic shape with keyframes makes it stolen in your opinion, then it's stolen.

In regards to me "not fooling anyone" that has never been my intention in the slightest, infact as soon as someone asked me how I made text 3D, I responded with a video tutorial showing them exactly what I did (I might not have remembered that correctly though, maybe I told them to fuck off because they weren't an artist. Why don't you go check for me.)


but yet on multiple occasions have questioned others creativity and originality for the very same process you display on a regular basis. and by returning to the idea that i stole something makes me think you are a liar as well since you retracted your accusation yesterday.
Indeed I did retract that acusation yesterday, but I was simply trying to make you understand the context that made me react that way again (which you seemed to have grasped at the time) after YOU returned to the idea that you stole something "but i was particularly upset to find you guilty of plagairism. especially when you went out of your way to accuse me of it."


i just found your whole steelo to be negative hypocritical self righteous.

ahhhhhh....exhale.....now that i got all that off of my chest...... you still wanna battle? lol

just set the thread up when you are ready and i'll be there with bells on.

A negative, hypocritical, self righteous, liar... and I was just starting to like you too.

Sorry, but I retain my right to be critical based on my opinion, If more people were, I think we wouldn't have threads commenting on the stagnant state of the sigs around here. Why just hang out in here dickriding? if the general concensus is to post work and ask for an ego massage and a blow-job, as opposed to comments and CRITICISM then sorry I'll try to just keep my mouth shut.

You suggested the battle, so if now that you've got that little bout of character assasination off your chest and you still want to? lol, then I'm there... I'll start the thread or bump this one when I get back.
Goodnight.

Hz Deep
09-25-2007, 08:04 PM
stock brushes: to prove your creativity, play around with the stock brushes

smudged background (not my sig, found it on a different forum, pretty weak but now you should know what a smudged background is):

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/Dragondj0/Signatures%20avatars%20and%20other/LauranSigcopy.jpg

so is smudged determined by the technique or look? i ask because like any look it can be created a million ways.

i would have used cloud filter and a b/w graphic pen filter with a overlay blend to get a similar effect.
i know you really like brushes man but i feel like you are limiting yourself by not exploring other options. not saying its easy or not dopelooking or unoriginal. just limited.


*edit*

plus you have so much real estate that can be used to convey your message. instead of filling it with ambiguous abstract shapes and colors why not use it to tell a story?
Carefull man, you almost criticised it based on your own taste/opinion, infact I'm not sure you didn't, or is that just my opinion... woah my head hurts, when I try to apply all these rules to my opinions.

Seriously though, I agree that the theme itself should be enough to limit us, as opposed to any particular technique or another.

Do you want to decide on it so early though, or shall we wait until I return, although I like the idea of an alternative theme like chat shows as well. Takes us out of the realm of the generic right from the start, but then we could look at that as a helping hand rather than an extra challenge? maybe keeping the theme close to the usual clichés would make it harder to take it somewhere original? just thoughts, like I said I'm happy with whatever.

Nice new sig btw, that mat kind of looks a little like candy though, and you applied a deformer! did you take the strength all the way to 100% WEEE!!!
See, we can both be pedantic. It really does look hot though, nice work.

STYLE
09-25-2007, 08:12 PM
but what you failed to mention that your gif is now the second animation of its kind. because a qtvr is NOT an animation a qtvr is a STATIC method of viewing multiple angles of an object. you animated the qtvr by converting it into a gif.
now if you remove the bkg of each frame add lighting effects, animate a flashing traffic light and add additional fx to each frame then you would have reproduced my shit. which i would consider original.

but my point remains...why bring it up in the 1st place? especially when your sig has others work on display. its like me pointing and saying "everybody look! hz got a big booger hanging!" but at the same time my nose has crust in the left nostril.
I think you were just being a hater.

I used to just swallow it if someone pissed me off. but as i got older i learned to let it out and move forward. so yeah i'm done.

but hellz yeahz we have a Talk Show Battle on deck. new thread coming and lets throw some dirt on this one.

Hz Deep
09-25-2007, 08:20 PM
Maybe I was being a bit of a hater, like I admitted quite quickly, I didn't mean to seem so confrontational about it.

I've got call it a night, believe it or not I really have got to drive 300 miles tomorrow.
Pz.

STYLE
09-25-2007, 08:25 PM
well they say haters are motivators and actually you motivated me to completely break out of the mold on this new sig. and it think i'm gonna stay away from any "deadhorse" styles as well. so in a way you did me a favor. lol
now come here and give me a hug. lol

EAGLE EYE
09-25-2007, 08:32 PM
^ive never seen a .gif file as crazy as that


Im in awe

KidSha
09-25-2007, 09:21 PM
Looking forward to the battle, I cheer for Hz deep just cause we go way back.. yo style i like that new sig your sporting...

PEACE

Razorsharp
09-26-2007, 04:27 PM
if i dont see a sig battle soon, i will close this thread...

sorry Hz, u my boi, but some sigs need to be thrown up for a battle... and style... jus stick to the thread?

i didnt read thru all the jargon, but i only saw like 2 sigs, made by GFX :dududu:

"P"

Scáth Bán
09-26-2007, 06:03 PM
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd116/STYLEMASTERR/spihulk3.gif

stylemaster rolls by the contests and sprays 32 shots with his tech 9.

DUCK!!!!!

and yes thats an orig animation.

I guess by "orig" you must mean 'originally ripped from a quictime 360 vr of a marvel statue I downloaded

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/djoptimus/9002-QTVR2.gif

Say what you want about my sigs or what you consider original but that's fucking hilarious

STYLE
09-29-2007, 06:17 PM
Say what you want about my sigs or what you consider original but that's fucking hilarious

you don't seem to understand that a quickime vr is not animated. but theres plenty of room on the hater wagon. lets settle it with a battle. me vs you, u can pick the topic.

Scáth Bán
09-29-2007, 06:57 PM
you don't seem to understand that a quickime vr is not animated. but theres plenty of room on the hater wagon. lets settle it with a battle. me vs you, u can pick the topic.

Alright. Tissue Boxes, you go first.

STYLE
09-29-2007, 10:50 PM
Alright. Tissue Boxes, you go first.

setting up thread now