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lord patch
11-18-2007, 01:57 PM
Struggle for Black liberation & socialism
By Abayomi Azikiwe
Editor, Pan-African News Wire

Published Nov 15, 2007 9:13 PM



Marxism, Reparations and the Black Freedom Struggle

Publisher: Worldview Forum, New York, February 2007

Order from www.Leftbooks.com

This compilation of articles and speeches places the struggle for African reparations within a broad political context that encompasses the overall movements against national oppression, capitalism, imperialism and for socialism.

The political editing of the book was done by Monica Moorehead, managing editor of Workers World newspaper based in New York City. In the obviously careful selection of these essays and speeches it becomes quite clear that the demand for reparations for African peoples will only be won along with the simultaneous victories against the ever increasing super-exploitation of labor and the attempt by U.S. imperialism to secure its position of global dominance through militarism and the further suppression of working people within its own borders.

The introductory section of this book entitled "Black liberation & the working-class struggle," begins with an essay by Larry Holmes where he reviews the role of the international socialist movement in advancing the struggle for national liberation among the oppressed and colonial peoples.

Holmes states that: "After much debate, the movement under Lenin's leadership concluded that bourgeois elements in the national liberation movement were a problem, and wherever possible we should wage a class struggle against them within the national liberation movement. But that should not for one second limit us from unconditionally supporting the national liberation movements to free the colonies."

Continuing to emphasize this point, Holmes declares: "Not only should we support the liberation movements, but if we want to prevail, if we want to influence oppressed people, we have to become the champions of the liberation of oppressed people, in deed as well as word."

This book examines the multi-faceted character of the struggle by African peoples inside the United States as well as on the continent. The articles seek to extend the demand for reparations beyond the period of chattel slavery in the U.S., the Caribbean and Latin America in order to point to the continued oppression and exploitation of African peoples during the periods of Reconstruction, Jim Crow segregation, the race terrorism of the early twentieth century during the era of widespread lynchings and infamous massacres in Tulsa, Okla., in 1921.

As it relates to the African continent, the contributors point to the continued exploitation of labor and resources. Moorehead writes in the chapter entitled "Africa, A Battleground Against Colonialism and for Sovereignty," that the struggle against the international debt crisis and its impact on the continent was part and parcel of the Black demand for reparations.

Moorehead points out that "The fact that Africa is both the richest continent in terms of resources and the poorest in terms of underdevelopment did not come about over a span of years or decades but centuries. Three of the G-8 members—Germany, France and England—expanded their capitalist economies with the African slave trade beginning in the middle of the 16th century. The United States became involved in the slave trade a century later. An estimated 40 million African people were stolen from their homeland during slavery."

The editor continues by stating: "Europe became the main colonizer of the entire African continent. The result was millions more lives lost and resources and land plundered from the late 19th century until African struggles brought about nominal independence in the 1960s and 1970s."

Bringing the struggle up to its present period, Moorehead says: "Today the greatest part of Africa is a neocolony under the control of imperialist banks through the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. Since the post-colonial period, whole African economies have been caught in a vicious cycle of bank loans and structural agreements that have plunged them into a spiraling debt they can never pay off in several lifetimes."

This book defends the government of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, which engaged in a revolutionary land redistribution program that brought about vicious attacks from the former colonial power in Britain as well as the U.S. Moorehead exposes the political contradictions within American foreign policy toward this southern African nation that won its national independence through an armed struggle that gained international support.

Moorehead says in relationship to the present situation in Zimbabwe that "U.S. imperialism is hypocritical when it denounces 'repressive measures' taken by the Mugabe government. Look at the repression we face right here if we organize anti-war or anti-police brutality demonstrations. When aren't there thousands of NYPD cops in full riot gear trying to intimidate and even arrest us when we exercise our right to freedom of assembly and free speech? Look at how revolutionaries like Mumia Abu-Jamal and Leonard Peltier are locked away because they dared to speak out against this terrible, racist, oppressive system."

Consequently, any effort aimed at repairing or re-correcting the historic oppression and exploitation of African peoples will be met with maximum resistance from the ruling class in the U.S. and throughout the various imperialist circles internationally. Therefore, a struggle must and will be waged to overturn the dominance of world capitalism over the oppressed peoples of the globe.

This book makes a significant contribution to the literature on the international character of the Black liberation movements worldwide and the need to link the war to end national oppression and neocolonialism with the global class struggle for socialism.


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DUMBO
11-18-2007, 02:29 PM
propers.

TSA
11-18-2007, 05:59 PM
this has already been posted. Socialism is the worst idea in the past 100 years.

and im counting jheri curls.

the last thing African needs, but it's completely alien to the culture because a lot of african cultures are fiercly captialist.


and anyone supporting Robert Mugabe is a dick head, fuck up asshole fuck up.


and has this socialism shit worked for anyone?...anyone?

Drug It Iz
11-18-2007, 06:33 PM
shaolin assasin you spend to much time in this fuckin forum you typical american garbadge.stay capitalistic till somebody send you to guantanamo for listening to immortal technique.

and no, i m not a marxist...

LORD NOSE
11-18-2007, 07:57 PM
this has already been posted. Socialism is the worst idea in the past 100 years.

and im counting jheri curls.

the last thing African needs, but it's completely alien to the culture because a lot of african cultures are fiercly captialist.


and anyone supporting Robert Mugabe is a dick head, fuck up asshole fuck up.


and has this socialism shit worked for anyone?...anyone?



General Chat is Calling you - KTL isn't a Joke yo

TSA
11-18-2007, 11:04 PM
lol at me getting bashed for not liking socialism+yacub.



KTL is a joke as far as im concerned.


but im serious.


no major industrial country got to be where it is through socialism except the russia, which instead used mass citizen enslavement.


a love how you support these ideas and have never been to Africa. Capitalism isn't an "American" concept. It's probably more african then it is American.


Listen, study, the way to wealth, for any and all nations is land. The value of your combine land equates the a nations wealth.

industrial cities bring a hyper inflation in land value in the city it's self and the areas around it (key reason why it's easier to develop a city then a rural area) once those areas have increased value the areas around in increase in value based on advantageous access to the market of the city/rest of the world.




it's all about market, and access to markets


look at africa. the empires of Ghana, Mali, and Songhai were the the most powerful in the history of african outside of Egypt. Mali controlled half of the worlds gold. They became powerful because they were in the cross section of the mediterrainian(the then major market world) and routes to gold salt and slaves(the 3 more valueable things in the old world), therefore they become powerful.


they declined when alternative routes were found, the portugese build colonies on the coast to have ready access to gold without crossing the empires, and south american gold became more valueable do the the fact that portugal and spain had colonized the continent more effectively.

The swahilli states of the middle ages rose from having a more advantagous access to the rest of the world then african nations in the interior

the history of europe shows this. the dark ages weren't as severe in Italy then the rest of europe and the first nation to rise out of the dark ages was italy, because it's access to the major market of the world the medi. and thus the invitable increased value of their land because if the rest of the world wanted to reach europe it was through italy, and if europe wanted to reach the world they had to go through italies ports.

thus cities grew in italy, give more value to the rural areas, then BAM renassiance.


and look at all major world nations through history, non of them were land locked, they enjoyed ready access to the rest of the world market.


Socialism slows or stunts the growth in capital value of a market, slows and stunts markets themselves and therefore everything around it.

productivity is the other key and like it or not capitalism and productivity run hand and hand.


in the end its a no growth sum that can only be practiced by highly industrial nations that feel no need to further grow.










plus corruption is such a problem in africa that telling african to trust the government with their property is laughable. African societies are so capitalistically driven now, by neccessity and nature, that private owned hospitals, schools, and so forth are outnumbering government owned ones 4 to 1 in my area, and those are the ones with the highest quality of treatment and education whereas the government ones have become run down neglected and ineffective.


it's all a matter of markets access and land value, you close yourself of to the capitalist market your done.

unless your ready to pull some stalinesque slavery, which they're not.

TSA
11-18-2007, 11:12 PM
guantanamo > Robert mugabe


talk to a zimbabwean

you know, where inflation is 10,000%(no joke) percent and you get thrown into a secert guantanamo prison for being the wrong ethnicity/ political affiliation.


although he does hammer down on white people which i like. though it's very unafrican.

Marwan
11-18-2007, 11:15 PM
Man that Rick Flair pic is golden, especially when Shaolin Assasin is talkin shit to sumbody and then at the close of the message u got Rick Flairs old ass to look at...I used to love Rick Flair, when his old flabby speach impediment ass would be talkin shit to sumbody and in the middle of a sentance he would start tap dancing and kickin his feet around tryin to dance, and then....."Woooooooooooo" HA HA HA

TSA
11-18-2007, 11:33 PM
stylin and profilin

maestro wooz
11-19-2007, 01:48 AM
socialism would work only in an ideal world, unfortunately the mean people almost always get the power. And, even marx said there must be capitalism before socialism

Drug It Iz
11-19-2007, 06:11 AM
ok.obivously you are not the typical american garbage i thought you where!even if i disagree with you

now,lets see...

first of all,even before that sonofabitch stalin came to the authority and things go really bad for people,the improvement ratio(i dont know if its the right term cause i just translated it from greek,but it describes it)was 30%pre year.and we are talkin about a country thats been broken to pieces after all the shit its been through(destroyed economy,WW1,revolution,17 imperialistic armys attackin the new revolutionary state).we re talkin,they couldnt produce a fuckin pen when the kings collapsed.my man,30% is big.Just imagine that European Union has an expected 2.5%.and i repeat,that was before stalin and its dictatoriship,when people were workin volunteerly(<-did i just killed that word?i m sorry if i did!)

secondly,you talkin about economical terms forgeting one thing!THIS GAME IS NOT MADE FOR THE POOR!what tha fuck means economy if people still live in ghettos?and you know,capitalism always has and will have ghettos.capitalism depends on unemploynment so that they can press the paychecks lower,having the workers afraid to demend more in the fear of getting fired.so,black peoples problem its not only racism,its a sosial problem.you may have blacks runnin for presidents but you still have the biggest percent of black people in the ghettos.so things wont never change(at least not for the better) if people dont abolish capitalism

and for the end...yes,sosialism is not an american thing.america is a fully capitalistic country that works uses the state to secure the riches intrests.any form of sosialism(because anarchism is sosialism too,there ain just communism)in the papers at least,doesnt do that.but you know,things change..history has tought us that!and be sure,history hasnt come to an end...

Drug It Iz
11-19-2007, 06:16 AM
and believe me friend...you will never see again an anarchist defends the cccp(anarchists was the first ones the bolseviks slaughterd,even if they were partners in the revolution,to keep safe that people wont follow that path and they wont loose the authority)!

TSA
11-19-2007, 04:29 PM
ok.obivously you are not the typical american garbage i thought you where!even if i disagree with you

now,lets see...

first of all,even before that sonofabitch stalin came to the authority and things go really bad for people,the improvement ratio(i dont know if its the right term cause i just translated it from greek,but it describes it)was 30%pre year.and we are talkin about a country thats been broken to pieces after all the shit its been through(destroyed economy,WW1,revolution,17 imperialistic armys attackin the new revolutionary state).we re talkin,they couldnt produce a fuckin pen when the kings collapsed.my man,30% is big.Just imagine that European Union has an expected 2.5%.and i repeat,that was before stalin and its dictatoriship,when people were workin volunteerly(<-did i just killed that word?i m sorry if i did!)

secondly,you talkin about economical terms forgeting one thing!THIS GAME IS NOT MADE FOR THE POOR!what tha fuck means economy if people still live in ghettos?and you know,capitalism always has and will have ghettos.capitalism depends on unemploynment so that they can press the paychecks lower,having the workers afraid to demend more in the fear of getting fired.so,black peoples problem its not only racism,its a sosial problem.you may have blacks runnin for presidents but you still have the biggest percent of black people in the ghettos.so things wont never change(at least not for the better) if people dont abolish capitalism

and for the end...yes,sosialism is not an american thing.america is a fully capitalistic country that works uses the state to secure the riches intrests.any form of sosialism(because anarchism is sosialism too,there ain just communism)in the papers at least,doesnt do that.but you know,things change..history has tought us that!and be sure,history hasnt come to an end...



nobody gives a fuck about the poor cause human beings don't give a fuck about the poor.

its the history of mankind, and capitalism wasn't something they decided to start doing all of a sudden, it's plain human nature and wasn't thought out and imagined in a book because it's human fact.

there's no Breathing Manifesto

or Mao's little Red Book of Taking a Shit

cause both things are human nature and don't need to be explained as socialism had to be.



Socialism is a noble idea but so is immortality. There will always been people with less because that's the meaning of the word Economy, the management of scarce resources. There's not enough for everyone, and that's a fact and always will be until we learn to shit gold...hell even then it would be as worthless as shit.



If anything, America's capitalist spirit has created the greatest victory over poverty in the history of mankind prior to the industrial revolution. Captialism made american "poverty" upper class in other countries.


i was in Nigeria trying to argue with ppl that there was poverty in america too, there was ghettos and trailer parks and homeless people.

Then this guy asked me "Do they have running water" and i realized...holy shit, there really isn't "poverty" in america.

this is the only country where obesity is a bigger epidemic with the poor then the rich.




even think about the concept of a ghetto.....houses goverment built for you.


In the majority of the world the goverment doesn't have enough money to build you a government...let alone a house. This is all cause of capitalism.




plus the russia "growth" thing. 30% growth in a country that couldn't produce a pencil a year is not much of an achievement.

in 2 years they were able to produce 60% of a pencil.

capitalism isn't "american" stop thinking that.


African societies have existed for 60,000+ years, and are the foundation, all the things that all nations and peoples practice

language, art, religion, science, humanity, tradition, culture, marriage, trade, war ext.

are african concepts.


Socialism is more african then it is russian, captialism is more african then it is american.

you've never lived in africa or under a socialist country so your knowledge of what either are, and how compatable they are is based on a limited understanding for both.




look at Ethiopia.


one of the proudest histories in mankind, and an emperor decended from King Solomon. At one point, Roman China Persia and Axum(ethiopia) were the 4 most powerful countries on earth.

ethiopia controlled it's section of africa as well as saudi arabia and yemen.


all this was ended when their king ( a king that is considered a god in the rastafari religion mind you) was overthrown by the Derg(communists) and now look at the country.

africa has had it's experiments with complete socialism, it didn't work.

This is mainly because socialism is not natural to the human animal, it fails everywhere.


even in russia, the great bulk of their weapons were hollow or filled with water, because if a human being is not getting paid to make a bomb for a person he's never seen, and has a quota, he'll reach the quota, but he ain't gonna make you a bomb.

Drug It Iz
11-19-2007, 05:26 PM
nobody gives a fuck about the poor cause human beings don't give a fuck about the poor.


there's no Breathing Manifesto

or Mao's little Red Book of Taking a Shit

cause both things are human nature and don't need to be explained as socialism had to be.








i was in Nigeria trying to argue with ppl that there was poverty in america too, there was ghettos and trailer parks and homeless people.

Then this guy asked me "Do they have running water" and i realized...holy shit, there really isn't "poverty" in america.

this is the only country where obesity is a bigger epidemic with the poor then the rich.






In the majority of the world the goverment doesn't have enough money to build you a government...let alone a house. This is all cause of capitalism.




plus the russia "growth" thing. 30% growth in a country that couldn't produce a pencil a year is not much of an achievement.

in 2 years they were able to produce 60% of a pencil.

capitalism isn't "american" stop thinking that.


African societies have existed for 60,000+ years, and are the foundation, all the things that all nations and peoples practice

language, art, religion, science, humanity, tradition, culture, marriage, trade, war ext.

are african concepts.


Socialism is more african then it is russian, captialism is more african then it is american.





look at Ethiopia.


one of the proudest histories in mankind, and an emperor decended from King Solomon. At one point, Roman China Persia and Axum(ethiopia) were the 4 most powerful countries on earth.

ethiopia controlled it's section of africa as well as saudi arabia and yemen.


all this was ended when their king ( a king that is considered a god in the rastafari religion mind you) was overthrown by the Derg(communists) and now look at the country.

africa has had it's experiments with complete socialism, it didn't work.

This is mainly because socialism is not natural to the human animal, it fails everywhere.


even in russia, the great bulk of their weapons were hollow or filled with water, because if a human being is not getting paid to make a bomb for a person he's never seen, and has a quota, he'll reach the quota, but he ain't gonna make you a bomb.





its the history of mankind, and capitalism wasn't something they decided to start doing all of a sudden, it's plain human nature and wasn't thought out and imagined in a book because it's human fact.

no.there is no human nature of exploiting.there is the human nature of solidarity.thats what kept human alive.if human beings was exploiting each other from the begining they would had never survived




Socialism is a noble idea but so is immortality. There will always been people with less because that's the meaning of the word Economy, the management of scarce resources. There's not enough for everyone, and that's a fact and always will be until we learn to shit gold...hell even then it would be as worthless as shit.

thats what i m talkin about.what world economy?the capitalistic one?is that the rule of life?
and,do you REALLY believe there is not enough for everyone?shit,surtenly not enough when bill gates makes in a day more money than all the workers of zibabue make in a month.when the fake needs comes up,yeah.plus,the only parameter of wealth is mother earth.its her that we suck up (and thinking that human is above nature is a typical stereotype of capitalism)to make our wealth,and its her that gonna excting us if we dont change.you know when an animal survives?when it has the ability to transform upon the needs of its enviroment.the same way if we dont kill capitalism,capitalism will kill nature and us with it



there is no breathing manifesto but there also isnt a mein drinkin kampf.nazism is also based on explortation like capitalism but it also needed some type of explaining.




If anything, America's capitalist spirit has created the greatest victory over poverty in the history of mankind prior to the industrial revolution. Captialism made american "poverty" upper class in other countries.


even think about the concept of a ghetto.....houses goverment built for you.

now thats...stupid man!!!godamn!did you even thought that one through?capitalism is based on the explortation of the over-value of the workers work.people gettin reach out of our sweat,over our blood,and you say "oooh,how nice of you!you made us some shitholes in which we dont have the right to leave because we made you filthy rich!!!thanks so fuckin much for takin us out of afrika,makin us slaves,then payed slaves.so nice of you!"
+i just finished readin from an RIGHT WINK URBAN newspaper(not some revolutionary communist paper)that fidel did it.he disapeared poverty from cuba.see,i dont like fidel.he was stuck to the stalinish type of communism,if i were livin in cuban an the state knew i was an anarchist,they would hang me!but you cant knock the truth yo!




you've never lived in africa or under a socialist country so your knowledge of what either are, and how compatable they are is based on a limited understanding for both.

yeah,but you see,i m not defending marxism(lets stop using the word sosialism because its bigger than that,we are talkin about communism).i know a lotta crap about that kind of state and its not the form of sociaty i m dreaming about.but i cant knock sertain things.fair is fair



at the end,african countrys,likewise cccp,china,cuba,balkanic countrys etc had a stalinish type of dictatorship.obviously thats the only type of marxist communism there can be.if you give the man power,he gon take advantage of it.thats why im an antiauthoritist.because if something history has tought me is that...

Drug It Iz
11-19-2007, 05:28 PM
its the history of mankind, and capitalism wasn't something they decided to start doing all of a sudden, it's plain human nature and wasn't thought out and imagined in a book because it's human fact.

no.there is no human nature of exploiting.there is the human nature of solidarity.thats what kept human alive.if human beings was exploiting each other from the begining they would had never survived




Socialism is a noble idea but so is immortality. There will always been people with less because that's the meaning of the word Economy, the management of scarce resources. There's not enough for everyone, and that's a fact and always will be until we learn to shit gold...hell even then it would be as worthless as shit.

thats what i m talkin about.what world economy?the capitalistic one?is that the rule of life?
and,do you REALLY believe there is not enough for everyone?shit,surtenly not enough when bill gates makes in a day more money than all the workers of zibabue make in a month.when the fake needs comes up,yeah.plus,the only parameter of wealth is mother earth.its her that we suck up (and thinking that human is above nature is a typical stereotype of capitalism)to make our wealth,and its her that gonna excting us if we dont change.you know when an animal survives?when it has the ability to transform upon the needs of its enviroment.the same way if we dont kill capitalism,capitalism will kill nature and us with it



there is no breathing manifesto but there also isnt a mein drinkin kampf.nazism is also based on explortation like capitalism but it also needed some type of explaining.




If anything, America's capitalist spirit has created the greatest victory over poverty in the history of mankind prior to the industrial revolution. Captialism made american "poverty" upper class in other countries.


even think about the concept of a ghetto.....houses goverment built for you.

now thats...stupid man!!!godamn!did you even thought that one through?capitalism is based on the explortation of the over-value of the workers work.people gettin reach out of our sweat,over our blood,and you say "oooh,how nice of you!you made us some shitholes in which we dont have the right to leave because we made you filthy rich!!!thanks so fuckin much for takin us out of afrika,makin us slaves,then payed slaves.so nice of you!"
+i just finished readin from an RIGHT WINK URBAN newspaper(not some revolutionary communist paper)that fidel did it.he disapeared poverty from cuba.see,i dont like fidel.he was stuck to the stalinish type of communism,if i were livin in cuban an the state knew i was an anarchist,they would hang me!but you cant knock the truth yo!




you've never lived in africa or under a socialist country so your knowledge of what either are, and how compatable they are is based on a limited understanding for both.

yeah,but you see,i m not defending marxism(lets stop using the word sosialism because its bigger than that,we are talkin about communism).i know a lotta crap about that kind of state and its not the form of sociaty i m dreaming about.but i cant knock sertain things.fair is fair



at the end,african countrys,likewise cccp,china,cuba,balkanic countrys etc had a stalinish type of dictatorship.obviously thats the only type of marxist communism there can be.if you give the man power,he gon take advantage of it.thats why im an antiauthoritist.because if something history has tought me is that...

TSA
11-19-2007, 05:35 PM
^that's what socialism will always become a stalinish dictatorship because it gives too much trust in good intentions and the ones with bad intentions take advantage of it


this is the history of imperialism, slavery, and indian massacres. People that had relied on the rule of good intentions encountered people that had relied on bad intentions and the ones with bad intentions took over.



captialism is based on the fact that human beings a slime, but slime with needs, so they took the greed and made it work.

"socialism" exists in africa and always have, africans are taught in school that those that have give to those that don't in their extended family, but a "socialist state" is a flat out bad idea anywhere.

Drug It Iz
11-19-2007, 05:47 PM
first of all,i told yo fuckin racist ass(white people shouldnt listen to hiphop?FUCK YOU!you dont have a clue whats love for hiphop bitch!)to stop calling it sosialism.sosialism is a political theory that expends way more than marxist commounism which is the case of our comvertation

then,i already told you that marxism ends with a stalinish dictatorship,why do you repeat it like i said some difrent.anything else you said,i already responded to

TSA
11-20-2007, 12:28 PM
well i don't know what sosialism is but it looks like a person was too dumb to spell socialism right, so it's probably just as stupid.

Drug It Iz
11-21-2007, 08:05 AM
what can i say?i speak 3 langueges and my spelling in one of them is not the best.the day you can answer to what i actually said,come back ando pop some shit,until then go find all my spelling falses...

TSA
11-21-2007, 10:37 AM
oh, i thought you were trying to imply sosalalsim or whatever was a different set of ideals then socialism.

not trying to make fun of your spelling, spelling is for gays and women, ppl get your point if you spell point as poynt, so what's the beef ya know?

Drug It Iz
11-21-2007, 06:48 PM
the beef?there ain no beef.i just didnt like what you said about white people shouldnt listen to hiphop.the way i m not racist against noone,i dont like noone beeing racist against me.

the fact that this guy you mocked is -obviously-a poser and a moron,doesnt mean that any white dude is a moron too!

other than that,even we dont agree in the politic section,its all good,from my point at least