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LuckyTheWonderDog
11-23-2007, 08:43 PM
I've often wondered why so many black rappers (and a lot of black people in general) are so fixated with Italian gangsters and playing the Scarface connection, when they are the most racist people around, and have not a good word to say about black people.

Like in Sopranos for instance, they always talk about black people like their idiots they get in for shitty work. There's even a bit in (I think) Season 6 at the start when the rapper tries to talk to Tony in the hospital on the whole 'original G' flex and Tony just looks at him like a cunt.

I've heard the answer that it's cos of the whole 'the world is yours' get what you want type philosophy, but hell the Nazi's took what the fuck they wanted and were racist as fuck, but I aint met any rappers calling themself MC Goebbels.

TSA
11-23-2007, 10:03 PM
tell you the truth idk, italians are really niggerish

the irish gangsters and russian one never caught on

so i think it's a matter of seeing a really niggerish ppl getting money

Bg_Knocc_Out
11-24-2007, 04:48 AM
True, any type of earupean/russian mafia is, usualy, racist towards blacks, and blacks usually look up to them. Ever see Boondock Saints? There's an example. If I remember correctly, one of the Godfather movies, but I'm not quite sure wether I'm actually thinking of Goodfellas instead, but ionno, I can remember the part, but not the movie that was incredibly racist towards blacks.

begongo
11-24-2007, 05:15 AM
check this
02 - black mafioso interlude.wma - 1.82MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/51269044cafa89/)
it`s an interlude from the french rapper Oxmo Puccino
it shows some italians talking shit about black gangsters when they talk within themselvs (italians) and after that they buttkiss the black guy when they talk on the phone with him

LuckyTheWonderDog
11-24-2007, 05:20 AM
Thinking about it, Italy's pretty racist in general. They actually still have people in football crowds making monkey noises at black players. Fuckin neanderthals.

grimey
11-24-2007, 08:17 AM
never understood this either...but alot of italians got black blood dont they?

Krimewave
11-24-2007, 08:17 AM
Thinking about it, Italy's pretty racist in general. They actually still have people in football crowds making monkey noises at black players. Fuckin neanderthals.

they still have openly racist players too... Paulo DiCanio for example.

Afficial_Nastee
11-24-2007, 09:48 AM
Don't like that Italian maffia style at all... With their tight clothes and shit...
And a lot of Lazio Roma fans are racist fucks...

shinobi4227
11-24-2007, 10:26 AM
Peace to the thread starter, i dunno why too, but i guess its cuz they kind of similar to black gangsters; but they racist as fuck

Cee Oh Vee
11-24-2007, 10:54 AM
because black people dont even like other black people

that made me smile.

CharlesJones
11-24-2007, 11:48 AM
I don't know why ignorant blacks look up to italian gangsters either. They love the Scarface, GoodFellas, Carlito's Way, Godfather movies and even though i like those movies, being a criminal and admiring criminals is stupid. There was a scene in Spike Lee's She Hate Me movie when John Turturro was talking to Anthony Mackie and John asked Anthony how come rappers name themselves after italian gangstas when italians don't like blacks. I forgot what Anthony said to him.

LuckyTheWonderDog
11-24-2007, 12:32 PM
^ Never seen that one, will have to check it out. Turturro's a great actor. Interestingly his cousin is Tony's sister Janice in Sopranos.

CharlesJones
11-24-2007, 12:43 PM
There's a lot of sex in She Hate Me hahahahahahahahahaha. Anthony has sex with a lot of lesbians. Kerry Washington is a lesbian in the flick. I love Kerry. She was hot in Chris Rock's I Think I Love My Wife movie. John Turturro is a good actor. He cracked me up in that one scene in Spike Lee's Do The Right Thing when he was dissing blacks saying take your fucking piece of pizza and go the fuck back to Africa LOL.

HANZO
11-24-2007, 03:38 PM
cause the italian mafioso style is deemed cool. like russian gangstas have the funny accents and dress like tramps. but they are the biggest most ruthless mofo's around. italian mafia figures had style, i guess thats why they are the liked ones.

Fr@z
11-24-2007, 03:42 PM
probably cos they wore shoes

Olive Oil Goombah
11-24-2007, 06:34 PM
First of all, pretty much everyone, including Latino, Asian and other gangs are racist toward blacks. But its not even about that....they are all prejudiced toward eachother.

Do you think Capone loved the Irish? Jews and Italians worked together because they made money. It all boils down to money. If the blacks can make money for you, they wont care if their black. I'm Italian and I've heard shit from everybody not Italian...wop, ginny, blah blah blah...doesnt faze me.
Also, these are criminals, the lowest form of any society....if black thug wannabe rappers want to look up to them, then so be it.
It is funny tho...it just shows you how confused some blacks are, but in my opinion, it isn't that deep....like any young people they loook up to gangsters cuz they think they are cool and it just so happens that the most popular ones in American History are mostly Italian and Jewish, and some Irish.

My question is this.....why do blacks care so much what different Europeans think of them?? I could give a fuck what the black community or people in Africa think of my Italian or American heritage.

Bg_Knocc_Out
11-25-2007, 12:28 AM
Come to think of it, I think Italians are racist 'cause didn't they side with the white supremsists aka the Nazi's during WWII? Or am I thinking of a different country...

diggy
11-25-2007, 02:05 AM
check this
02 - black mafioso interlude.wma - 1.82MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/51269044cafa89/)
it`s an interlude from the french rapper Oxmo Puccino
it shows some italians talking shit about black gangsters when they talk within themselvs (italians) and after that they buttkiss the black guy when they talk on the phone with him


Its not in English. How do u expect people to understand?

Olive Oil Goombah
11-25-2007, 02:20 AM
Come to think of it, I think Italians are racist 'cause didn't they side with the white supremsists aka the Nazi's during WWII? Or am I thinking of a different country...

whoa whoa....before you speak on something you know very little about, educate yourself. What happened in Europe between WW 1 and WW 2 had nothing to do with black/white as we see it in America......To call Italy a country full of white supremicists for siding with Germany is like calling hte Japanese the same...and that doesnt make sense. What happened over their had nothing to do with american racism. In fact, many GI's that fought in France during WW1 came home pissed cuz they were treated better in Europe than in their own country.

The world does not see black/white racism like Americans do.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-25-2007, 02:22 AM
Come to think of it, I think Italians are racist 'cause didn't they side with the white supremsists aka the Nazi's during WWII? Or am I thinking of a different country...

LOL....there are so many things wrong with you just said......Come to think of it, this black guy up the street from me sided with an anti semitic group, so all AFrican descented people must hate Jews

begongo
11-25-2007, 04:26 AM
Its not in English. How do u expect people to understand?
lol
this is not an american movie where gangsters speak english with an accent :D
italian gangsters actually speak italian

JKDRevolutionary
11-25-2007, 05:04 AM
there WERE some mafioso dudes that werent racist...though they were few and far between, Sicily is Right above africa, so, a couple of the big bosses were friendly towards blacks.

those guys were all dead by the time guys like Capone and Bugsy Malone came around though.

Kephrem
11-25-2007, 10:14 AM
The reason why SOME of [not even alot] black/latino [oppressed] people have shown respect for [not love] the Italian mafiaso type of lifestyle/persona is because they were getting over on the U.S. system [and even feared by some police] for a very long time. Case closed.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-25-2007, 11:38 AM
thats pretty much it. They want to get over like the Italians did.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-25-2007, 11:41 AM
Plus its not even that deep....its the same reason why some white try to identify with black rappers who are obviously anti-white. But at the end of the day, you cannot group people as one, you need to look individually....Ghostface has ranted some racist shit, but do you really think the dude HATEs whites like that?? Being that he is a devout Muslim now, and one of his boys is white (wigs)?

LuckyTheWonderDog
11-25-2007, 11:45 AM
Yeah I get that, but it doesn't mean you give yourself nicknames based on them. Coming across like you idolise people who would show you no respect is kinda strange.

Kephrem
11-25-2007, 11:55 AM
Some of these rappers [and some drug dealers, gang affiliated cats] usually give themselves the names of the most reknown gangsters like Luciano, Capone, Lensky, etc. I don't know if they're idolizing the person or if it's more about adopting the name in emulation of the respect they garnered in their time.

Lil' Ruger
11-25-2007, 12:11 PM
fuck italy

Prolifical ENG
11-25-2007, 12:23 PM
movies..........

Kephrem
11-25-2007, 12:48 PM
Movies are certainly a big part of the reason, but those movies actually reflected what was going in the real world where people have known of legitimate gangsters [in general], and of the Italian mafia for close to a 100 years. [especially in the major east coast cities]

whitey
11-25-2007, 01:57 PM
fuck italy


yo fuck you ya muppet

Cthulhu
11-25-2007, 03:45 PM
Better question, why do some rappers take names from incredibly horrible dictators?

Tragedy Khadafi
E.D.I. Mean

There's several others I can't think of right now.

Kephrem
11-25-2007, 03:51 PM
Easy, Trag was influenced by NOI, NGE, and Islamic doctrine, while President Khadafi symbolically stood up against the corrupt and subversive American governent. Never heard of the other 'mc'.

LuckyTheWonderDog
11-25-2007, 03:52 PM
^^ Yeah but that's tiny compared to the number of wannabe Scarface Gambinos out there.

IrOnMaN
11-25-2007, 04:13 PM
I like gangster movies because it's great entertainment. I don't know why like rappers like Raekwon look up to movie drug lords and thugs like Tony Montana, Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino, etc. Maybe he sees it like me, just entertainment. Are they racist? No. I look it at how it is. This world looks down on blacks mexicans, jews, asians, etc. It's the way it is. It's not niggerish like Shalionassian said, it's just entertainment, PERIOD! Mexicans, jews, arabs, blacks, and asians watch mob movies and most of these mob movies are racists towards mainly all minorites, EVEN WHITES!!:{ Thanks.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-25-2007, 05:50 PM
I like gangster movies because it's great entertainment. I don't know why like rappers like Raekwon look up to movie drug lords and thugs like Tony Montana, Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino, etc. Maybe he sees it like me, just entertainment. Are they racist? No. I look it at how it is. This world looks down on blacks mexicans, jews, asians, etc. It's the way it is. It's not niggerish like Shalionassian said, it's just entertainment, PERIOD! Mexicans, jews, arabs, blacks, and asians watch mob movies and most of these mob movies are racists towards mainly all minorites, EVEN WHITES!!:{ Thanks.

Very true...in Casino they shit on the Irish and Arabs. People act like black gangster movies don't shit on white people. Ever seen Malcolm X??? when he calls a half Italian dude a wop?? Is it racist. No, thats how people are, blacks too.

Kephrem is an apologist.....those same rappers with dictator names are living the AMERICAN dream and loving capitalism. Its just a 'cool' moniker to have. Arabs and Egyptians aren't exactly welcoming in darker sub saharan africans with welcome arms.
99% of rappers are just entertainers with little or no education beyond HS...

Kephrem
11-25-2007, 06:06 PM
Kephrem is an apologist.....

How so? I simply stated the facts.


those same rappers with dictator names

Tragedy for one didn't choose the name because President Khadafi is suposedly a dictator [where is your evidence for this btw?] but because the reasons I listed. [NOI, NGE, MST, radical Islamic influence]


are living the AMERICAN dream and loving capitalism.

Who are these ''rappers with dictaor names'' that you're eluding too?

Its just a 'cool' moniker to have.

I doubt 'Intelligent Hoodlum' chose the name simply because it sounded ''cool''.


Arabs and Egyptians aren't exactly welcoming in darker sub saharan africans with welcome arms.

Trag was influenced by NOI, NGE, and Islamic doctrine, while President Khadafi symbolically stood up against the corrupt and subversive American governent.

You're point here doesn't have a damn thing to do with ''rappers with dictator names''.

99% of rappers are just entertainers with little or no education beyond HS...


I would say 100% of ''rappers are just entertainers''. And again your point here doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-25-2007, 07:02 PM
Yes it does.....They are entertainers marketing toward a young audience who is captivated with mob movies and tryin to be hard. I dont know about you, but I first saw and was introduced to all those criminals as a kid, and didn't realize what scumbags they really were and what damage they did until I got a little older and wiser.

So that is why they used Italian alter egos, serial killer alter egos, dictator alter egos....Capone and Noriega, Swifty McVeigh, Bin Laden, Irv Gotti, Beanie SIEGEL....Noodles from Once Upone a Time in America, Numerous Raekwon references to the Mafia, Meyer Lanksy, etc.,

Funny thing is Kephrem, you are just as bigoted as any bigot out there, and you attempt to justify it.

Prolifical ENG
11-25-2007, 07:24 PM
When I mentioned "movies" thats inspiration. Just like wu-tang got their concept from the kung-fu movies.

The thread title reads, "Why do so many black people love the incredibly racist Italian gangsters?"

It seems that the direction of the thread is going to, " "Why do so many rappers love the incredibly racist Italian gangster movies?"

I guess for inspiration, it has been mentioned that many of those entertainers have little formal education and most of what they learned came from the streets...similar to other gangsters (in movies) who made a ton of money by using their street knowledge in business.

Do many "non-rapper" black people praise these films? Perhaps they enjoy the entertainment value as much as others.

On the other hand, how much information about mobsters do most people learn just by watching those movies? Most people never even see them in real life.....a similar concept SUNNY WINTERS tried to prove by who sees crackheads and who doesn't.

Why black people like them even though they are all (supposedly) racist? One could say some white people listen to racist/racial prejudice rappers for a parallel case. Perhaps racial character interests some of us but this hypothesis could make a discussion thread itself.

Kephrem
11-25-2007, 07:55 PM
Yes it does.....

Yes ''what'' does?


They are entertainers marketing toward a young audience who is captivated with mob movies and tryin to be hard.

Where do you see me arguing for ''mob movies'' in my last few posts?


I dont know about you, but I first saw and was introduced to all those criminals as a kid,

What criminals? Can you speak plainly please, thank you.


and didn't realize what scumbags they really were and what damage they did until I got a little older and wiser.

See above, and clarify your statement for us if you can.


So that is why they used Italian alter egos,


Since I wasn't making any comments about ''Italian alter egos'' I'mma go ahead and ignore this point.

serial killer alter egos,

Care to list some of these rappers who are living the American dream making money with ''serial killer alter egos''?


dictator alter egos....Capone and Noriega,

Shit most kids today never even HEARD of Manuel Noreaga [let alone care about Nore and where his name stems from]. That cat was snatched up in the early 90's during the Panama invasion.


Swifty McVeigh,

Who's that?

Bin Laden,

Please, if there is some rapper named Bin Laden most kids have never heard of him, thus making your previous assertions of 'negative influence' some STRAIGHT UP BULLSHIT.

Irv Gotti,

Cat is irrelevant today, but regardless the name 'Gotti' is not influencing any young kids as his era was during the 80's and early 90's.


Beanie SIEGEL....


LMAO. Kids don't know where that name derives from [unless they've seen the movie from the early 90's or have took it upon themselves to research early gangster history].

Wow you're reaching.


Noodles from Once Upone a Time in America, Numerous Raekwon references to the Mafia, Meyer Lanksy, etc.,


Everybody influenced by Wu is not a kid anymore, and if they were that dumb to let rappers galvinize them into emulating fictional/dead white gangsters then that's a choice they made.


Funny thing is Kephrem, you are just as bigoted as any bigot out there, and you attempt to justify it.


Please spare us the political rhetoric and try to deal more with the facts.

Bg_Knocc_Out
11-25-2007, 08:47 PM
whoa whoa....before you speak on something you know very little about, educate yourself. What happened in Europe between WW 1 and WW 2 had nothing to do with black/white as we see it in America......To call Italy a country full of white supremicists for siding with Germany is like calling hte Japanese the same...and that doesnt make sense. What happened over their had nothing to do with american racism. In fact, many GI's that fought in France during WW1 came home pissed cuz they were treated better in Europe than in their own country.

The world does not see black/white racism like Americans do.


Is it not right for me to assume that Italy sided with Germany during WWII and considering Germany was full of white supremsist, that trait could carry on to Italians? Do you think that's not logical? Quit being an asshole about it, it was a fair assumption and you used my post as a gateway to make yourself smart... what have you accomplished today young sir. All I said that it could be a reason as to why some Italians hate blacks and you think I'm calling the whole country full of white supremisists.... damn shame... some of these Wu-Corp dudes get so hyped over a small comment, a comment that shouldn't mean to whip out a folder full of WWII stuff that wouldn't even be the least bit necessary to throw out when all I said it could be reason...

Olive Oil Goombah
11-25-2007, 10:06 PM
Is it not right for me to assume that Italy sided with Germany during WWII and considering Germany was full of white supremsist, that trait could carry on to Italians? Do you think that's not logical? Quit being an asshole about it, it was a fair assumption and you used my post as a gateway to make yourself smart... what have you accomplished today young sir. All I said that it could be a reason as to why some Italians hate blacks and you think I'm calling the whole country full of white supremisists.... damn shame... some of these Wu-Corp dudes get so hyped over a small comment, a comment that shouldn't mean to whip out a folder full of WWII stuff that wouldn't even be the least bit necessary to throw out when all I said it could be reason...

First of all, Mussolini was running Italy BEFORE Hitler came to power in Germany.....As far as Italians AMERICANS hating blacks....well they probably picked that up when they immigrated to the United States because there aren't too many Africans living in Italy.

All I'm saying is that that was not the reason. I realize this is a pro-black board, and that I probably shouldn't take everything at face value, but this is supposedly the Know-the-ledge section......I guess I expect a little more intelligence.

Cthulhu
11-25-2007, 10:39 PM
Is it not right for me to assume that Italy sided with Germany during WWII and considering Germany was full of white supremsist, that trait could carry on to Italians? Do you think that's not logical? Quit being an asshole about it, it was a fair assumption and you used my post as a gateway to make yourself smart... what have you accomplished today young sir. All I said that it could be a reason as to why some Italians hate blacks and you think I'm calling the whole country full of white supremisists.... damn shame... some of these Wu-Corp dudes get so hyped over a small comment, a comment that shouldn't mean to whip out a folder full of WWII stuff that wouldn't even be the least bit necessary to throw out when all I said it could be reason...

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the Mafia families were opposed to facism.

Cthulhu
11-25-2007, 10:46 PM
Easy, Trag was influenced by NOI, NGE, and Islamic doctrine, while President Khadafi symbolically stood up against the corrupt and subversive American governent. Never heard of the other 'mc'.

The other one is from Tupac's Outlawz group. Most of them had nicknames relating to dictators with the exception of Young Noble and Tupac, who of course took his alias from Niccolo Machiaveli.

E.D.I. Mean
Napoleon
Hussein Fatal
Mussolini (Big Syke)
Komani (Mopreme)
Yaki Kadafi
Kastro

Olive Oil Goombah
11-25-2007, 10:57 PM
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the Mafia families were opposed to facism.

This is very true. Italy did not really want Fascism, Mussolini seized a weak govt. and took over. After he was hung, a mob took down his dead body and continued to beat it, along with his mistress's who was also hung. Much like what happened in Germany when HItlers regime replaced the weak Weimer Republic......This was post WW1, Great Depression era. Most countries in Europe were a mess politically and economically, and the nationalists and radicals seized their opportunity.

Lucky Luciano avoided prison and deportation for a while when he helped the US Army because the mob has extraordinary control over the NY docks.

Not all Italian gangsters were racist...many, like Carlo Gambino, would do business with blacks. Slurs are slurs....were talking about murderers and criminals here. Go to any prison...are race relations harmonious?? Its kill or be killed for these guys, they dont trust their best friend let alone someone from a different group.

LuckyTheWonderDog
11-25-2007, 11:31 PM
I like gangster movies because it's great entertainment. I don't know why like rappers like Raekwon look up to movie drug lords and thugs like Tony Montana, Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino, etc. Maybe he sees it like me, just entertainment. Are they racist? No. I look it at how it is. This world looks down on blacks mexicans, jews, asians, etc. It's the way it is. It's not niggerish like Shalionassian said, it's just entertainment, PERIOD! Mexicans, jews, arabs, blacks, and asians watch mob movies and most of these mob movies are racists towards mainly all minorites, EVEN WHITES!!:{ Thanks.

Yeah but it often seems like they hold black people in the lowest esteem. As I mentioned in Sopranos, when they want someone not family to do a hit they get someone black (or a 'mulignane') but talk about them like a fuckin idiot.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2007, 12:04 AM
Yeah but it often seems like they hold black people in the lowest esteem. As I mentioned in Sopranos, when they want someone not family to do a hit they get someone black (or a 'mulignane') but talk about them like a fuckin idiot.

What do you expect them to say? How great their culture is and have a deep conversation about their oppression? LOL...they are playing mobsters.

SHould white people feel offended when they are refered to as honky's and crackers, and mics and wops in black gangster flicks???

Buddy, this is the way it is for these people, they dont give a fuck about offending someone...they take pleasure in doing it.

Bg_Knocc_Out
11-26-2007, 12:57 AM
First of all, Mussolini was running Italy BEFORE Hitler came to power in Germany.....As far as Italians AMERICANS hating blacks....well they probably picked that up when they immigrated to the United States because there aren't too many Africans living in Italy.

All I'm saying is that that was not the reason. I realize this is a pro-black board, and that I probably shouldn't take everything at face value, but this is supposedly the Know-the-ledge section......I guess I expect a little more intelligence.

Intelligence has the least bit to do with it, like I said, THAT IS NOT THE ONLY REASON!!! Mussolini has nothing to do with this either... as long as an Italian becomes a soldier, what does he learn... hate towards the countrys/race they are fighting against, like lets say they are in combat, lets say an American kills the Italian soldiers' best friend... What do you think the Italian soldiers gonna start thinking? Maybe if it wasn't his best friend, he's probably blaim it on the goverment, but since it WAS his best friend he's gonna go on with life with relentless hate towards Americans... not saying all will do that, but it's the most probabal thing that would happen. Just to support what I said early, one reason why Italians would be racist towards blacks, (this wouldn't the only reason), would be because, who'd they go to war with? Who did they side with? Nazi's correct? Nazi's are majorly white supremisists, correct? So when ever an Italian read their news paper on the war, what was it glorifying? Being a white supremisist. People who sided with Germany most likley started believing what Nazi's believed in.... Ya get it? I don't see how you can argue considering that was a war that had the biggest effect of all wars, wether the effect was negative or positive... negative includes, but not limited to, you guessed it, white supremacy... And what did those grandparents who served in that war told their sons and daughters and grandchildren about the war? What did they teach them to hate? What did they teach them what they thought was right? Think about iiiiit.


P.S., Don't twist my words again please, it's very annoying.

LuckyTheWonderDog
11-26-2007, 02:24 AM
What do you expect them to say? How great their culture is and have a deep conversation about their oppression? LOL...they are playing mobsters.

SHould white people feel offended when they are refered to as honky's and crackers, and mics and wops in black gangster flicks???

Buddy, this is the way it is for these people, they dont give a fuck about offending someone...they take pleasure in doing it.

Firstly I'm not running out to name myself after a black gangster from a movie.

Secondly it doesn't seem so much like just the use of racial slurs, as their genuinely thinking black people to be less developed mentally. They talk like they're getting the retard kid to do it.

WARPATH
11-26-2007, 03:27 AM
I've often wondered why so many black rappers (and a lot of black people in general) are so fixated with Italian gangsters and playing the Scarface connection, when they are the most racist people around, and have not a good word to say about black people.

Like in Sopranos for instance, they always talk about black people like their idiots they get in for shitty work. There's even a bit in (I think) Season 6 at the start when the rapper tries to talk to Tony in the hospital on the whole 'original G' flex and Tony just looks at him like a cunt.

I've heard the answer that it's cos of the whole 'the world is yours' get what you want type philosophy, but hell the Nazi's took what the fuck they wanted and were racist as fuck, but I aint met any rappers calling themself MC Goebbels.

I use to wonder........

What would Tony Soprano think if I was the one slapping it to Meadow Soprano?

Then I think- Who gives a fuck, I'm so mother fucking gangsta Tony Soprano should be wondering what I'm thinking.

IrOnMaN
11-26-2007, 09:28 AM
When I mentioned "movies" thats inspiration. Just like wu-tang got their concept from the kung-fu movies.

The thread title reads, "Why do so many black people love the incredibly racist Italian gangsters?"

It seems that the direction of the thread is going to, " "Why do so many rappers love the incredibly racist Italian gangster movies?"

I guess for inspiration, it has been mentioned that many of those entertainers have little formal education and most of what they learned came from the streets...similar to other gangsters (in movies) who made a ton of money by using their street knowledge in business.

Do many "non-rapper" black people praise these films? Perhaps they enjoy the entertainment value as much as others.

On the other hand, how much information about mobsters do most people learn just by watching those movies? Most people never even see them in real life.....a similar concept SUNNY WINTERS tried to prove by who sees crackheads and who doesn't.

Why black people like them even though they are all (supposedly) racist? One could say some white people listen to racist/racial prejudice rappers for a parallel case. Perhaps racial character interests some of us but this hypothesis could make a discussion thread itself.

100% correct, my friend.:mmmyah:

LuckyTheWonderDog
11-26-2007, 09:33 AM
Yeah but Wu didn't get Gambinos from film. And Rae and Ghost adopted more than just a few film samples.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2007, 10:31 AM
Some of you are just straight up naive.. knocc out....the Nazi's of America are not even a close resemblence of those in Germany. I think your getting your own words twisted.

Personally, I really dont care.

Capalini....Tony Soprano isnt real. But I bet if you were givin it to John Gotti's daughter, he'd take you up on that offer.

Kephrem
11-26-2007, 10:57 AM
The other one is from Tupac's Outlawz group. Most of them had nicknames relating to dictators with the exception of Young Noble and Tupac, who of course took his alias from Niccolo Machiaveli.

Actually it was likely Tupacs given name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Amaru) that probably influenced the rest of the group to choose revolutionary/counter establishment aliases.

WARPATH
11-26-2007, 11:00 AM
Some of you are just straight up naive.. knocc out....the Nazi's of America are not even a close resemblence of those in Germany. I think your getting your own words twisted.

Personally, I really dont care.

Capalini....Tony Soprano isnt real. But I bet if you were givin it to John Gotti's daughter, he'd take you up on that offer.

Offer to what? Hold my nuts while I insert it sideways?

Oooooooooooooooh Gotti the big scary gangster.

Tony Soprano is real. My mommy told me so.

IrOnMaN
11-26-2007, 11:48 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_DeSimone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_DeSimone)

^^Tommy from Goodfellas was one crazy S.O.B. in real life!!!

Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2007, 05:25 PM
Offer to what? Hold my nuts while I insert it sideways?

Oooooooooooooooh Gotti the big scary gangster.

Tony Soprano is real. My mommy told me so.

your a goofy kid

Cthulhu
11-26-2007, 09:57 PM
Intelligence has the least bit to do with it, like I said, THAT IS NOT THE ONLY REASON!!! Mussolini has nothing to do with this either... as long as an Italian becomes a soldier, what does he learn... hate towards the countrys/race they are fighting against, like lets say they are in combat, lets say an American kills the Italian soldiers' best friend... What do you think the Italian soldiers gonna start thinking? Maybe if it wasn't his best friend, he's probably blaim it on the goverment, but since it WAS his best friend he's gonna go on with life with relentless hate towards Americans... not saying all will do that, but it's the most probabal thing that would happen. Just to support what I said early, one reason why Italians would be racist towards blacks, (this wouldn't the only reason), would be because, who'd they go to war with? Who did they side with? Nazi's correct? Nazi's are majorly white supremisists, correct? So when ever an Italian read their news paper on the war, what was it glorifying? Being a white supremisist. People who sided with Germany most likley started believing what Nazi's believed in.... Ya get it? I don't see how you can argue considering that was a war that had the biggest effect of all wars, wether the effect was negative or positive... negative includes, but not limited to, you guessed it, white supremacy... And what did those grandparents who served in that war told their sons and daughters and grandchildren about the war? What did they teach them to hate? What did they teach them what they thought was right? Think about iiiiit.


P.S., Don't twist my words again please, it's very annoying.
But again, I think that has little to do with racism among mafiosos, since most of them hated Mussolini.

dgoc
11-27-2007, 06:07 PM
never understood this either...but alot of italians got black blood dont they?
C'mon man it's not Black I was told it's Arab I could be wrong though But get real even if they did have a small amount of black does not make them Black

LORD NOSE
11-27-2007, 06:48 PM
Why do so many black people love the incredibly racist Italian gangsters?



Because They (incredibly racist Italian gangsters) give Them ( black people) Nothing

Cthulhu
11-28-2007, 10:27 PM
C'mon man it's not Black I was told it's Arab I could be wrong though But get real even if they did have a small amount of black does not make them Black

It's not all Italians, but Sicilians probably have Moorish ancestry from the when the Moors inhabited most of the Mediterranean. Moor was a collective (and not totally accurate) term for the Black and Arab Muslims from North Africa during the Middle Ages, so it's feasible that some Sicilians might have black ancestry.

crds
11-30-2007, 05:09 AM
Interesting views and discussion here, my thoughts are that it's about the power and lifestyle that these mobsters/gangsters had.

An MC has always been about being the best, the hardest, invincible and wanting to show and prove that he was, so adopting an infamous name would add to that.

They are in my view just taking the name and the power and not the person, I mean I don't think Norega would really appreciate what Manuel Norega was like as a person and only admired the power he had.

LuckyTheWonderDog
11-30-2007, 05:17 AM
It's not all Italians, but Sicilians probably have Moorish ancestry from the when the Moors inhabited most of the Mediterranean. Moor was a collective (and not totally accurate) term for the Black and Arab Muslims from North Africa during the Middle Ages, so it's feasible that some Sicilians might have black ancestry.

You seen True Romance?

The scene with Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken is about this very topic. It is basically demonstrating (if you take it to be authentic) that the best insult that could be come up with (by a man about to die, with nothing to lose) towards the Sicilians was to tell them they had black blood in them.

Taylor_Made
12-01-2007, 03:19 PM
The Real Question Is...why Do White People Like Breaking Down The Psyche Of Black Folks As If It Really Matters What Your Opinions On Us Are?

If You Wanna Know Why Black Americans Are The Way They Are Then Read The

"willie Lynch Letters: How To Make A Slave"

You'll Get All The Info You Need On Us With A Quick Google Search....

Olive Oil Goombah
12-02-2007, 10:52 AM
Was the person who made this thread white? I dont know, do you? Don't flatter yourself tho, white's dont care as much as you might think.

Cthulhu
12-02-2007, 01:03 PM
I don't understand why certain (not all) black people turn everything into a black vs. white issue as if every white person has a hidden evil agenda behind their opinions or observations of other ethinic groups.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-02-2007, 02:46 PM
I agree....its a mentality alot of people have no matter what race. thats why I try to say when I post. We are all the same, certain things happen because of timing, and people have certain views because of when and where they are born. It just 'is'

Taylor_Made
12-02-2007, 04:42 PM
I don't understand why certain (not all) black people turn everything into a black vs. white issue as if every white person has a hidden evil agenda behind their opinions or observations of other ethinic groups.


The point im trying to make is that a lot of the black psyche in America, etc. has to do with how we were bred in this country. You want to know why Black males arent taking care of their kids? you want to know why black males may look up to white italian racist gangsters? Or why black women and black men do not get along? then look no futher then the "Willie Lynch Letters". All im saying is unless you are black it will be really hard to understand why we are the way that we are unless you dig deep and understand how the psyche of our forefathers was shaped...wasnt trying to start a race war or anything lol. Just expressing how I feel.


And get off that "white guilt, uppity racism crying black guy" thing, because I didnt bring up the black vs white thing, look no further then the thread title for that. Its all peace here just trying to build with my wu fan brethren no matter what color.


Seriously though... Read the "Willie Lynch Letter: How to make a slave"... and understand that this mentality exists among blacks today, we are just dealing with it in the wrong way now (welfare, Prisons) instead of rehabilitating our minds. Any questions on the black psyche almost always can be referred to this. As a black male I feel I need to pass this on to non blacks so they can get a good idea as to why a group of people seem so crazy nowadays because lets face it, Black folks are confused and crazy right now....

Taylor_Made
12-02-2007, 04:54 PM
Was the person who made this thread white? I dont know, do you? Don't flatter yourself tho, white's dont care as much as you might think.

The white people on Wutangcorp seem to care, and thats all im referring to. You cats are making 7 page threads on numerous black related topics so there are those of you who do care enough to log onto the internet and discuss, LMAO White people dont care that much about black folks.....Stormfront.org. Lemme rephrase what I said, I should have said non blacks instead of just whites because lets face it, no black man with knowledge of self would need to ask the question that the threadstarter asked because most of us know the answer(well those of us that arent ignorant to ourselves)...Thats why i concluded that he may be white or non black. So calm it down homie..

Mad Axes
12-02-2007, 05:06 PM
why do blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat, the party of segregation

Cee Oh Vee
12-02-2007, 05:08 PM
The white people on Wutangcorp seem to care, and thats all im referring to. You cats are making 7 page threads on numerous black related topics so there are those of you who do care enough to log onto the internet and discuss, LMAO White people dont care that much about black folks.....Stormfront.org. Lemme rephrase what I said, I should have said non blacks instead of just whites because lets face it, no black man with knowledge of self would need to ask the question that the threadstarter asked because most of us know the answer(well those of us that arent ignorant to ourselves)...Thats why i concluded that he may be white or non black. So calm it down homie..

I strongly doubt he was hypin' about it, his post seemed calm enough.

Cthulhu
12-02-2007, 10:08 PM
The point im trying to make is that a lot of the black psyche in America, etc. has to do with how we were bred in this country. You want to know why Black males arent taking care of their kids? you want to know why black males may look up to white italian racist gangsters? Or why black women and black men do not get along? then look no futher then the "Willie Lynch Letters". All im saying is unless you are black it will be really hard to understand why we are the way that we are unless you dig deep and understand how the psyche of our forefathers was shaped...wasnt trying to start a race war or anything lol. Just expressing how I feel.


And get off that "white guilt, uppity racism crying black guy" thing, because I didnt bring up the black vs white thing, look no further then the thread title for that. Its all peace here just trying to build with my wu fan brethren no matter what color.


Seriously though... Read the "Willie Lynch Letter: How to make a slave"... and understand that this mentality exists among blacks today, we are just dealing with it in the wrong way now (welfare, Prisons) instead of rehabilitating our minds. Any questions on the black psyche almost always can be referred to this. As a black male I feel I need to pass this on to non blacks so they can get a good idea as to why a group of people seem so crazy nowadays because lets face it, Black folks are confused and crazy right now.... Fair enough.

IrOnMaN
12-03-2007, 10:13 AM
The point im trying to make is that a lot of the black psyche in America, etc. has to do with how we were bred in this country. You want to know why Black males arent taking care of their kids? you want to know why black males may look up to white italian racist gangsters? Or why black women and black men do not get along? then look no futher then the "Willie Lynch Letters". All im saying is unless you are black it will be really hard to understand why we are the way that we are unless you dig deep and understand how the psyche of our forefathers was shaped...wasnt trying to start a race war or anything lol. Just expressing how I feel.


And get off that "white guilt, uppity racism crying black guy" thing, because I didnt bring up the black vs white thing, look no further then the thread title for that. Its all peace here just trying to build with my wu fan brethren no matter what color.


Seriously though... Read the "Willie Lynch Letter: How to make a slave"... and understand that this mentality exists among blacks today, we are just dealing with it in the wrong way now (welfare, Prisons) instead of rehabilitating our minds. Any questions on the black psyche almost always can be referred to this. As a black male I feel I need to pass this on to non blacks so they can get a good idea as to why a group of people seem so crazy nowadays because lets face it, Black folks are confused and crazy right now....

Someone give this man a drink, please!:b

LuckyTheWonderDog
12-03-2007, 10:20 AM
^^ Yeah that's a great post.

I was worried at first when I created this thread that people would jump in and call me racist or something, because sometimes it seems anyone mentioning anything to do with another race is taken as such.

I'm glad that, in fact, it turned out to be an interesting and surprisingly mature (for this site!) discussion.

nikky
12-03-2007, 10:29 AM
i hate all racism PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! we all bleed the same colour blood and have the same organs!!!!! i'm a white girl and i dont have any problem with anybody in different races..........fuck all that bullshit! i love everybody.........well almost xxxxxxxx

Cee Oh Vee
12-03-2007, 10:46 AM
Aww.

IrOnMaN
12-03-2007, 12:03 PM
If you think about it, most gangster movies make racist remarks to all races. Goodfellas, Godfather (1,2,3), Casino, The Departed, Donnie Basco, Carlito's Way, Once opon time in America, and the list goes on. Notice how they're racist towards all races. They make remarks towards the irish, italians, blacks, mexicans, whites, indians, jews, arabs, and exspecially asains (Donnie Basco and The Departed are very examples of how they're really racist toward asains). It's only fair, people. The reason why the writers do this is because all races make racist remarks towards others races because they're ignorant. It's true. I know I have, you have, and everybody else has done it. If you haven't, you're lying to yourself!}:|

Thanks.

LuckyTheWonderDog
12-03-2007, 12:10 PM
^^ Nah, there's definately the most 'looking down' towards black people. Like I said, you still get monkey chants in Italy aimed at black football players. They aint doing that to Japanese players etc.

IrOnMaN
12-03-2007, 12:26 PM
^^ Nah, there's definately the most 'looking down' towards black people. Like I said, you still get monkey chants in Italy aimed at black football players. They aint doing that to Japanese players etc.

But they might make another racist remark towards them, and they WILL be offended. I hate when blacks make it like they're the victims when it comes to jokes when they're the ones that are mainly making racial jokes towards every damn race. Now, let an asian make a racial joke about a black people. Blacks would be up in arms about the shit because of what went on 300 years ago and today. Just STFU and deal with it, please. They're not victims.

-IrOnBuLL-
12-03-2007, 12:54 PM
I've often wondered why so many black rappers (and a lot of black people in general) are so fixated with Italian gangsters and playing the Scarface connection, when they are the most racist people around, and have not a good word to say about black people.

Like in Sopranos for instance, they always talk about black people like their idiots they get in for shitty work. There's even a bit in (I think) Season 6 at the start when the rapper tries to talk to Tony in the hospital on the whole 'original G' flex and Tony just looks at him like a cunt.

I've heard the answer that it's cos of the whole 'the world is yours' get what you want type philosophy, but hell the Nazi's took what the fuck they wanted and were racist as fuck, but I aint met any rappers calling themself MC Goebbels.

the main reason iz that almost every rapper want to be a "boss" or watever
imo the hip hop artist are gettin their "gangsta-rap" from these tv shows instead
of the REAL LIFE experience

whitey
12-03-2007, 09:24 PM
The point im trying to make is that a lot of the black psyche in America, etc. has to do with how we were bred in this country. You want to know why Black males arent taking care of their kids? you want to know why black males may look up to white italian racist gangsters? Or why black women and black men do not get along? then look no futher then the "Willie Lynch Letters". All im saying is unless you are black it will be really hard to understand why we are the way that we are unless you dig deep and understand how the psyche of our forefathers was shaped...wasnt trying to start a race war or anything lol. Just expressing how I feel.


And get off that "white guilt, uppity racism crying black guy" thing, because I didnt bring up the black vs white thing, look no further then the thread title for that. Its all peace here just trying to build with my wu fan brethren no matter what color.


Seriously though... Read the "Willie Lynch Letter: How to make a slave"... and understand that this mentality exists among blacks today, we are just dealing with it in the wrong way now (welfare, Prisons) instead of rehabilitating our minds. Any questions on the black psyche almost always can be referred to this. As a black male I feel I need to pass this on to non blacks so they can get a good idea as to why a group of people seem so crazy nowadays because lets face it, Black folks are confused and crazy right now....


yo this is on some real shit. anyone who hates on blacks today for being ignorant or whatever today almost never takes what you just said into consideration. (granted there is personal responsibility and blacks do need to start big upping themselves) but black people as you put it "were bred" to be stupid, not value education, feel subservant ect. it was passed down from generation to generation, thats why it erks me when i see some blacks fucking with other blacks because they are trying to do something with themselves, instead of "being hood". that whole being hood shit is just the remenents of the white man holding generations of blacks down. and now blacks want to rep it? thats ass backwards if you ask me. youd think a people would want to rise above all the bullshit that was shoved down thier throats for hundreds of years instead of embracing it like it was a culture they created. in reality it is a culture that was forced upon them.


(however i heard someplace that the Willie Lynch Letter was fake, that doesnt change my point though)

TAURO
12-03-2007, 11:51 PM
Come to think of it, I think Italians are racist 'cause didn't they side with the white supremsists aka the Nazi's during WWII? Or am I thinking of a different country...

Yes but so did Japan. It wasn't about race but rather other political agendas.

Taylor_Made
12-10-2007, 02:33 AM
But they might make another racist remark towards them, and they WILL be offended. I hate when blacks make it like they're the victims when it comes to jokes when they're the ones that are mainly making racial jokes towards every damn race. Now, let an asian make a racial joke about a black people. Blacks would be up in arms about the shit because of what went on 300 years ago and today. Just STFU and deal with it, please. They're not victims.

Actually, Ive seen a couple asian guys make racist jokes about black folks, ain't no thang. Jeff Ross makes Racist black jokes. Not everyone clowning on Flav at the roast was black but the jokes all related to Him being ugly, black, embarrassment to the human race...I think folks need to get off that because we get clowned by comedians, its just that hardly anyone knows how to do it cleverly without saying we are "niggers that need should be hanging from a tree"

Taylor_Made
12-10-2007, 02:36 AM
(however i heard someplace that the Willie Lynch Letter was fake, that doesnt change my point though)

I actually heard that too, I wish I had the resources to really find out

grimey
03-02-2008, 02:10 PM
dont know why black rappers admire these mafia cats...but some of those movies are good....

J.T.S.
03-02-2008, 03:26 PM
Maybe it's because Italians make such good spaghetti, and meatballs!

Olive Oil Goombah
03-02-2008, 07:22 PM
Black people are just too sensitive cuz they been gettin fucked with so much lately. Its like clownin on your little retarded brother...

dezmond
03-03-2008, 01:25 PM
I saw it in the scarface dvd extras.. Couple of wu members on there too.. lookit up..

Its not the people its their way of doing business and general old school rules of respect & dicipline & shit...

.

dezmond
03-03-2008, 01:28 PM
Maybe it's because Italians make such good spaghetti, and meatballs!



^^Haha.. you know..