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11-26-2007, 01:45 PM
'Angela Davis : We used to think there was a black community'

'We used to think there was a black community'



With her towering afro and radical rhetoric, Angela Davis was one of the iconic faces of black politics in 1970s America. She talks to Gary Younge about Barack Obama, the racism of the black middle class, and how it feels to be remembered as a hairdo

Thursday November 8, 2007
The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2207188,00.html
Angela Davis was intrigued to see recently that a significant number of young black women to whom she was delivering a talk were wearing images of her from the 70s on their T-shirts. She asked what the image meant to them. "They said it made them feel powerful and connected to other movements," she says. "It was really quite moving. It really had nothing to do with me. They were using this image as an expression of who they would like to be and what they would like to do. I've given up trying to challenge commodification in that respect. It's an unending battle and you never win any victories."

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For all her many achievements over the past 37 years, Angela Davis remains, for many, a symbol frozen in time. The time was 1970. It marked the end of a tumultuous era of civil rights struggle that culminated in the assassination of two of black America's most renowned leaders - Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. A period of peaceful demonstrations for integration in the rural south had been followed by a spate of violent disturbances in the urban north. The focus had shifted from integration to black power; the influences from Gandhi and the Bible to Mao and Marxism. In 1967, Aretha Franklin called for "r-e-s-p-e-c-t"; by 1970, the anthem was Edwin Starr's War.
The symbol was resistance. Smart, handsome, eloquent, fearless and stylish, Davis strode the political stage with her fist raised high and her afro combed even higher. A rebel and a revolutionary. A silhouette for summerwear. Radical and chic like Che - except that she has lived to see her political resistance transfer into popular culture.

A student in her history of Afro-American women's studies class at San Francisco State University during the 80s recalls: "She wanted to teach and she was a very conscientious teacher, really engaging. But she would make some cogent point about history and then someone would literally put up their hand and make some comment about her hair. I thought, 'They're not letting her be who she wants to be.'"

Davis once said: "It is both humiliating and humbling to discover that a single generation after the events that constructed me as a public personality, I am remembered as a hairdo."

A few weeks ago, at the Women of Colour Resource Centre in Oakland, California, Davis presented the Sister of Fire award to a young poet from Queens in New York who could barely contain her excitement at being in her presence. "I can't believe I'm on the same stage as Angela Davis," she gushed. "I read about her in school ... And she's still alive." Davis and her contemporaries at the ceremony laughed.

"I have reconciled myself to the existence of this historical figure and its relationship to the work that I'm trying to do today," she says. This is less difficult than it might seem since her present work is intricately connected to both the work she has been doing most of her adult life and the incident that made her famous: prisons.

Back in the 60s, as the American state moved to criminalise radical black protest, she primarily campaigned on the issue of political prisoners such as the Black Panther George Jackson. Her political activities had already made her a target for the conservative establishment. In 1969, she was fired from her job as assistant professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, for being a member of the Communist party, only to see that decision overturned by a supreme court judge.

Then, on August 7 1970, her own infamous run-in with the criminal justice system started. On that day, Jonathan Jackson, 17, held the Marin county courthouse at gunpoint and sprung three prisoners - James McClain, William Christmas and Ruchell Magee - who were either witnesses or on trial. The men led the judge, Harold Haley, the prosecuting attorney and some jurors to a waiting van and fled. In the ensuing chase, Jackson, Christmas, McClain and Haley were shot dead, while the attorney was paralysed by a police bullet.

Jonathan was the younger brother of George Jackson, whom Davis had fallen in love with during the campaign for his release. Jonathan's gun was registered in Davis's name. Davis was nowhere near the shoot-out, but a warrant was issued for her arrest, for conspiracy to kidnapping and murder. She went on the run.

Davis's disappearance sparked an intensive, public search and propelled her to the FBI's top 10 most wanted, and to international attention. Two months later, she was arrested in a motel in mid-town Manhattan. President Richard Nixon branded her a "terrorist". Facing the trinity of rightwing hate figures - Nixon, the then California governor Ronald Reagan and FBI director J Edgar Hoover - Davis became an international cause celebre. A global campaign called for her release. Aretha Franklin offered to post quarter of a million dollars in bail. "I have the money," she said. "I got it from black people and I want to use it in ways that will help our people."

In January 1971, Davis appeared in Marin county court, unapologetic and defiant, facing charges that could have lead to her execution. A year and a half later, an all-white jury acquitted her. As an academic of great renown, she went on to enter the canons of black and feminist theory with her books - on women, on race and class and women, on culture and politics. She wrote a bestselling autobiography and stood for vice-president in 1980 and 1984 on the Communist party ticket.

Much has changed in her life since the days of her trial but a great deal has remained the same. Davis still teaches at the University of California - although now at Santa Cruz, where she is professor of history of consciousness and feminist studies. At 63, she is still recognisable from those iconic 70s shots, although her hair is now a cascade of corkscrew curls. And her primary focus remains the criminal justice system. According to the US justice department, on current trends, one in three black boys born in 2001 will end up in jail.

"The prison system bears the imprint of slavery perhaps more than any other institution," she says. "It produces a state that is very similar to slavery; the deprivation of rights, civil death and disenfranchisement. Under slavery, black people became that against which the notion of freedom was defined. White people knew they were free because they could point to the people who weren't free. Now we know we're free because we're not in prison. People continue to suffer civil death even after they leave prison. There is permanent disenfranchisement."

The US, argues Davis, is still struggling with its refusal to address slavery's legacy. "There was the negative abolition of slavery - the breaking of chains - but freedom is much more than just the abolition of slavery. What would it have meant to provide economic security to everyone who had been enslaved; to have brought about the participation in governance and politics and access to education? That didn't happen. We are still confronted by the failure of the affirmative side of abolition all these years later."

Does that not leave black politics entrenched in a paradigm set almost 150 years ago? "The problem is that we [as a country] haven't moved on," she says. "Certainly it's important to recognise the victories that have been won. Racism is not exactly the same now as it was then. But there were issues that were never addressed and now present themselves in different manifestations today. You only move on if you resolve these issues. It took 100 years to get the right to vote."

Born in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1944, Davis was raised in the tightknit world of the black middle class in a small southern town. It included the families of secretary of state Condoleezza Rice and Alma Johnson, who would later marry former secretary of state Colin Powell.

Davis was seven years younger than Johnson and 10 years older than Rice. Their worlds intertwined but never quite collided. Rice's father, John Wesley Rice Jr, worked for Johnson's uncle as a high-school guidance counsellor. Johnson knew Rice as a child; Davis knew Johnson, because they attended the same church. Birmingham became notorious during the 60s as the town that set dogs and hoses on African-Americans seeking the vote, and for the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist church, in which four little girls were killed in 1963, one of whom was Rice's friend. Its reputation was so bad that Colin Powell's parents considered not going to their son's wedding and joked about the likelihood that they would be lynched when they got there.

Although all three emerged from that time and place to take advantage of the new opportunities available, Davis's perspective on her achievements could not be more different to Rice's. "In America, with education and hard work it really does not matter where you come from," Rice told the Republican convention in 2000. "It matters only where you are going." She later told the Washington Post: "My parents were very strategic. I was going to be so well prepared, and I was going to do all of these things that were revered in white society so well, that I would be armoured somehow from racism. I would be able to confront white society on its own terms."

Davis insists this is disingenuous. "It was never about individuals. I never grew up thinking that the measure of my success was as an individual. There was always a sense that the measure of your success was to a large part one that was linked to community advancement. Most people weren't going to make it as far as she or I did. She never would have had the opportunities she had without the benefit of the struggles that took place in the 60s. If you can, with conscience, talk about a post-civil rights era, we have to talk about the limitations of civil rights. It produced individual successes but it never produced group successes."

The advancement of the likes of Powell and Rice within the Bush administration, argues Davis, exemplifies a flawed understanding of what it means to tackle modern-day racism. "The Republican administration is the most diverse in history. But when the inclusion of black people into the machine of oppression is designed to make that machine work more efficiently, then it does not represent progress at all. We have more black people in more visible and powerful positions. But then we have far more black people who have been pushed down to the bottom of the ladder. When people call for diversity and link it to justice and equality, that's fine. But there's a model of diversity as the difference that makes no difference, the change that brings about no change."

This, she says, is how the presidential candidacy of Barack Obama is generally understood. "He is being consumed as the embodiment of colour blindness. It's the notion that we have moved beyond racism by not taking race into account. That's what makes him conceivable as a presidential candidate. He's become the model of diversity in this period, and what's interesting about his campaign is that it has not sought to invoke engagements with race other than those that have already existed."

Davis's initial response to Obama is one she often gives to questions both specific and general: "It's complicated," she says. Her answers are candid but measured. Not measured necessarily to fit prevailing public opinion - she believes prisons should be abolished, for example - but for their consistency and precision. She talks slowly and in long whole sentences and will often deconstruct the question before replying. Asked about the class stratification in the black community and its implications for black political leadership, she says, "It's complicated. We used to think there was a black community. It was always heterogenous but we were always able to imagine ourselves as part of that community. I would go so far as to say that many middle-class black people have internalised the same racist attitudes to working-class black people as white people have of the black criminal. The young black man with the sagging pants walking down the street is understood as a threat by the black middle class as well. So I don't think it's possible to mobilise black communities in the way it was in the past.

"I don't even know that I would even look for black leadership now. We looked to work with that category because it gave us a sense of hope. But that category assumes a link between race and progressive politics and, as Stuart Hall says, 'There aren't any guarantees.' What's more important than the racial identification of the person is how that person thinks about race."

The confluence of black and progressive politics in the US has been further diminished, argues Davis, as a result of 9/11, which gave all Americans the option of retreating behind the flag or responding to a world that was reaching out. "In that sense, 9/11 was a pivotal moment," she says. "It was a multicultural moment. Black people aren't immune to the nationalism in this country. That was a moment when global solidarity was pouring in and instead of people reaching out, they closed down. So this was a moment that clearly involved black people. But it clearly didn't envelop Arabs."

Black Americans may not have been immune to the hyper-patriotism of recent years, but they were more resistant to it. Of all racial groups, African-Americans have still been the least likely to support both the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. None the less, explains Davis, "enough black people perceived it as a consolidation in nationalism. They finally felt part of the nation. It didn't matter that one million were in prison. It only mattered that they were part of the nation."

Davis is, however, encouraged by the youth of all races. "I'm amazed at the sophistication of a lot of younger people," she says. "We didn't have the ability when I was younger to say all the things we wanted to say. We didn't have the conceptual opportunities for that. A lot of this stuff just rolls off their tongues. Whatever they produce won't be an insurgency of the old type, although I do think that engagement with race and racism will be an important part of it. You have to get over the idea that you win something once and for all and that struggles have to look the same."

The situation they have inherited, however, is "complicated". "I don't envy people trying to give political leadership now," she says. "In the past it was easy. There was black and white."

Angela Davis, Gary Younge, Heather Small, Wole Soyinka and Stuart Hall will discuss, perform and share ideas on the meaning of the bicentenary of the parliamentary abolition of the slave trade on Saturday at the Purcell Room, South Bank Centre, London SE1, 10.30am to 5.45pm. To book tickets, go to southbankcentre.co.uk

Kephrem
11-26-2007, 01:56 PM
Angela Davis is a lesbian.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2007, 05:49 PM
YOur grandmothers a lesbian who eats scandinavian puss.

Kephrem
11-26-2007, 07:41 PM
YOur grandmothers a lesbian who eats scandinavian puss.



Actually I'm telling the truth.


In 1997, she came out as a lesbian in Out magazine. [9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis#Later_career


Or is it that you're a proponent of the homosexual lifestyle and got offended at my use of the ''L word''?

Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2007, 10:10 PM
No, thats just what I read on wikipedia, no disrespect to your grandmother. Them Swedish girls are nice.

Kephrem
11-26-2007, 10:27 PM
Actually it's an established fact even outside of Wikipedia.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=lesbian+Angela+Davis&btnG=Search

You revealed too much of yourself kid, now you have to run with this defense of the gay, lesbian, and transgennder community.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2007, 10:53 PM
I got nothing against carpet munchers....But im betting your pseudo-religious ass has never tasted the beaver....am i right?

Kephrem
11-26-2007, 11:10 PM
I got nothing against carpet munchers....


Of course you don't because it's part of your heritage going back to the Greeks. [homosexaulity - Romans 1:24-28]


But im betting your pseudo-religious ass has never tasted the beaver....am i right?

You probably have done oral on a actual beaver. Greeks were know for that shit too.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2007, 11:15 PM
Of course you don't because it's part of your heritage going back to the Greeks. [homosexaulity - Romans 1:24-28]




You probably have done oral on a actual beaver. Greeks were know for that shit too.

Are you kiddin me, Africans are the biggest homos on earth. They got tribes in africa were they fuck boys because they want the warrior spirit to get into them.

What are u quoting the New Testament for anyway....thats luciferism!!!

Kephrem
11-26-2007, 11:46 PM
I could care less what an African does. Greeks and Romans are legendary epic universal faggots. Greek is another way of saying anal sex. No one took homosexaulity and took it to new heights like white Americans did. [gay rights, parades, marriage? sex change operations? NAMBLA?]

Show and prove the NT is ''luciferism''.

TSA
11-27-2007, 12:32 AM
man fuck this bitch,


old black ppl talking about what black people are doing wrong all the goddamn time.

were the only race in the world that frequently refers to each other and brothers and sisters on a universally consistant basis. Who much fuckin unity do you need? She just mad cause she's old

TSA
11-27-2007, 12:33 AM
and this generation doesn't remember they used to burn their fuckin skull so that they can look white and tap danced for quarters and were to ones that fucked up the black community.

you know why there was a "black community" then? segregation.

Machete
11-27-2007, 04:19 AM
lesbos - good

homos - bad

Kephrem
11-27-2007, 12:54 PM
Lesbos are homos. If for example you had daughter[s] who were that, or had a wife that switched up and became lezbox I bet you'd be singing a different tune.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-27-2007, 03:41 PM
I could care less what an African does. Greeks and Romans are legendary epic universal faggots. Greek is another way of saying anal sex. No one took homosexaulity and took it to new heights like white Americans did. [gay rights, parades, marriage? sex change operations? NAMBLA?]

Show and prove the NT is ''luciferism''.

hahaha....turn on springer and all you see if faggot black guys pretending to be girls. It shows the homosexual denial of your people. Down low ass mother fuckers spreading AIDS to your women comin outta prison and shit.

Kephrem
11-27-2007, 03:58 PM
hahaha....turn on springer and all you see if faggot black guys pretending to be girls.

Who promotes it? What's Jerry Springer? Who owns the television stations?
Who says ''In God We Trust'' yet their President [king] was/is getting fucked by the Ambassador to Poland Victor Ashe?

It shows the homosexual denial of your people.

Whose my people?


Down low ass mother fuckers spreading AIDS to your women comin outta prison and shit.

See above devil.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-27-2007, 06:44 PM
ANother outlandish claim eh?

Olive Oil Goombah
11-27-2007, 06:46 PM
blasphemer

Kephrem
11-27-2007, 06:50 PM
It's outlandish that your former cheerleader current President is a fruitloop?

LORD NOSE
11-27-2007, 07:02 PM
hahaha....turn on springer and all you see if faggot black guys pretending to be girls. It shows the homosexual denial of your people. Down low ass mother fuckers spreading AIDS to your women comin outta prison and shit.

devil is a state of mind and its contagious

My people have learned allot from the devil aka the children of satan

the conditions we were put in for many centuries are the cause for the many mental and physical iLLness we suffer
even up to this day
and the oppression never stopped

we are a reflexion of white americas madness and we have allot about ourselves we need to clean up - we are fragmented -

I truly believe that if we unite and get rid of the devil aka the children of satan, we will be able to really heal ourselves and become the God aka the children of God - the 2 cannot exist in peace - It is a fact that its impossible for the 2 to get along

Olive Oil Goombah
11-27-2007, 10:54 PM
Sunny-If your people are up to the task, then I'm sure your war can be accomodated. The white man has fought much greater adversaries than black americans. Thats not a dig, thats just the truth.
Try taking some responsibility in your own life tho. Instead of blaiming others. Your in denial. You need AA. For real, im not even trying to be funny. I know you try to come at it all knowledgable but sometimes shit is real simple. Like Einstein breaking the theory of relativity down to a simple equation everyone can grasp.

Kephrem....if you think by insulting Bush, your insulting me...well. Your just not. I dont know what to tell you.

diggy
11-27-2007, 11:24 PM
It seems like a few if not a lot of those "pro-black" women activists are lesbians. Anyways, she's ugly.

All this talk about racial unity is dumb. Talk about how everyone can make more money, about peace, about good housing.

Some black people are stupid, hating, losers. Do I want to be united with them? NO. Some are just immoral assholes and low-class idiots. Fuck them.

Looking at skin colour as the only unifying element is a flawed thinking. And shes supposed to be an intellectual!

Kephrem
11-27-2007, 11:27 PM
Sunny-If your people are up to the task, then I'm sure your war can be accomodated. The white man has fought much greater adversaries than black americans. Thats not a dig, thats just the truth.

That's why God is going to have to fight you and make you an eternal example by bringing on you a destruction that will be off the charts for your wickedness and pride.


Why do you think they came out with that movie Planet of the Apes? Or even Independence Day? They're attempting to diss God because they know what the prophecy says. Once you step in Iran it's a wrap and your red asses will find yourselves in the battle of Armeggedon very soon after. Haha



Kephrem....if you think by insulting Bush, your insulting me...well. Your just not. I dont know what to tell you.

I'm not insulting you I'm simply telling the truth about your Greco-Roman-Euro-American homosexual culture.

LORD NOSE
11-28-2007, 12:05 AM
Sunny-If your people are up to the task, then I'm sure your war can be accomodated. The white man has fought much greater adversaries than black americans. Thats not a dig, thats just the truth.


i'd rather seperate than fight a war - but the white man is on our dicks too hard for that - he won't leave us alone - because he has nothing without us -


Try taking some responsibility in your own life tho. Instead of blaiming others. Your in denial. You need AA.

no i don't - because i don't drink - when i did - i did - that shit can't control me - i'm god - i can renew myself at any time cause my will power is that strong

For real, im not even trying to be funny.

but you are

I know you try to come at it all knowledgable but sometimes shit is real simple. Like Einstein breaking the theory of relativity down to a simple equation everyone can grasp.


you are trying too hard young man - you can't be me - but keep trying to clone me and my peoples culture, maybe your grandchildren will have it in them to be like me in the future

Kephrem....if you think by insulting Bush, your insulting me...well. Your just not. I dont know what to tell you.



i'll answer this too -

bush/pussy
same shit you are pussy - he is bush - there is no big difference

Nicky Tooch huh

i hope that you have a vagina cause that name would fit an ATM porn star easily

LORD NOSE
11-28-2007, 03:14 PM
Sunny-If your people are up to the task, then I'm sure your war can be accomodated. The white man has fought much greater adversaries than black americans.

LMMFAO !

but you will lose this last time - i guarantee it

however you will launch those big bombs

lol but it will fall right back down where you stand, on your own head

lmao - Dam - you won't beat the GOD

THIS IS YOUR JUDGMENT
YOU ARE ON TRIAL TODAY
THE WHOLE WORLD IS AGAINST YOU !

you have fucked up

just admit it - your time is ending swiftly

Kephrem
11-28-2007, 03:19 PM
The thing is you havn't fought a greater adversary then the African American's. In the ancient world your asses were whipped plenty of times by blackmen. Let your technology be rendered useless by some sort of solar disturbance or some shit and let's see how you deal without satellites, planes/jets, tanks, helicopters and warships.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 03:52 PM
Referring to yourself as God. Now who is on the power trip? YOu are a young man who has been sucked into a cult, not unlike anything Keresh<sp> or Jim Jones used to preach.

You speak on things as if you are a prophet, yet lambast me for my lack of fortune telling abilities.

You believe you are righteous when your cause is so utterly evil and NOT for the harmony of humanity, yet you lie and believe you come in the name of it.

Kephrem, you speak of a God, a divine being, yet are in cahoots with someone who refers to themselves as a god. Check yourself.

Keph, you say the white man has been beaten before many times by the blacks. So I guess we just are doing what we do in self defense? Thus it is justified by that thinking?

YOur both dead wrong in your arguments.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 03:54 PM
The thing is you havn't fought a greater adversary then the African American's. In the ancient world your asses were whipped plenty of times by blackmen. Let your technology be rendered useless by some sort of solar disturbance or some shit and let's see how you deal without satellites, planes/jets, tanks, helicopters and warships.

Bone up on your European history...Vikings, Franks, barbarians..Muslim scholars do not debate the courage and ferocity of these warriors. Primary sources validate this.

LORD NOSE
11-28-2007, 04:13 PM
Referring to yourself as God. Now who is on the power trip? YOu are a young man who has been sucked into a cult, not unlike anything Keresh<sp> or Jim Jones used to preach.


what cult am i in ?

Jesus (in the bible) said we are all gods - children of the most high GOD

so again little Nicky, what cult do i claim ?

Christianity ?



You believe you are righteous when your cause is so utterly evil and NOT for the harmony of humanity, yet you lie and believe you come in the name of it.


HUMANITY is not helping the black man and woman get out of this situation
savage europeans and white americans put us in.

Kephrem, you speak of a God, a divine being, yet are in cahoots with someone who refers to themselves as a god. Check yourself.

who is in cahoots with who - trying to divide and conquer huh - showing your teeth again huh


Keph, you say the white man has been beaten before many times by the blacks. So I guess we just are doing what we do in self defense? Thus it is justified by that thinking?

we had no choice but to beat your ass for trying back then to spread lies and rumors amongst brothers - dividing and conquering families -

YOur both dead wrong in your arguments.

there is no argument - you are not good at this - just admit that you are the axis of evil lol

Kephrem
11-28-2007, 04:19 PM
Kephrem, you speak of a God, a divine being, yet are in cahoots with someone who refers to themselves as a god. Check yourself.

God calls his people gods in Psalm 82:6. Check yourself.


Keph, you say the white man has been beaten before many times by the blacks. So I guess we just are doing what we do in self defense?

No because you were wicked and got served justice.

Kephrem
11-28-2007, 05:02 PM
Bone up on your European history...Vikings, Franks, barbarians..Muslim scholars do not debate the courage and ferocity of these warriors. Primary sources validate this.

http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320Hist&Civ/slides/08romfal/vandal.jpg

You mean barbarians like this?


LINK (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34135&highlight=king+james)

TSA
11-28-2007, 07:05 PM
Bone up on your European history...Vikings, Franks, barbarians..Muslim scholars do not debate the courage and ferocity of these warriors. Primary sources validate this.

Then how come vikings, franks, and barbarians are afraid to walk into black barbershops

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 07:36 PM
Then how come vikings, franks, and barbarians are afraid to walk into black barbershops

Because they dont want a bad haircut.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 07:40 PM
http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320Hist&Civ/slides/08romfal/vandal.jpg

You mean barbarians like this?


LINK (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34135&highlight=king+james)

your an idiot

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 07:43 PM
Actually, I'm the biggest idiot for wasting my words on you retards.

Sunny, I will waste a few more. Black americans should thank slave traders for bringing them here. If we didn't you wouldnt have hip hop, fried chicken, grits or the wutang corp.

My ancestors aren't English but.......Your welcome.

Kephrem
11-28-2007, 07:44 PM
Your mothers an idiot.

Get a pale European face out of that one.

Kephrem
11-28-2007, 07:47 PM
Actually, I'm the biggest idiot for wasting my words on you retards.

Sunny, I will waste a few more. Black americans should thank slave traders for bringing them here. If we didn't you wouldnt have hip hop, fried chicken, grits or the wutang corp.

My ancestors aren't English but.......Your welcome.


Your ancestors are a bunch of serfs, peasents, and dwellers of caves.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 07:48 PM
Hey Kephrem, I hear they stamp your face in gorilla cookies.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 07:50 PM
Oh yea??? Your ancestors are a bunch of slave selling, European owned, poverty ridden, AIDS infested, lazy, can't keep a job, self hating, deep purple colored, sun worshiping, sand dune dwelling, whiny,crybabies.

So what have you got to say about that huh?

Kephrem
11-28-2007, 08:14 PM
Oh yea??? Your ancestors are a bunch of slave selling,

Everyone sold slaves.

European owned,

As were your ancestors owned also by Europeans...that is, by black ones, like that swarthy Vandal up there. Haha


poverty ridden,


There isn't anything more dirty then a southern white trash cracka. This has been a common saying for a while in America.

My ancestors are the lords of these lands, your criminally armed squatters happen to occupy it in the present time.


AIDS infested,

AIDS is a biological weapon straight from the Satanic minds of your scientists and the Club of Rome.

Your ''AIDS'' will be coming in the form of thermal nuclear fire from missles dumped on you by Russia, China, etc that's going to burn your red cancer stricken pig flesh up.


lazy, can't keep a job,


Shit my peeps own land in the Caribbean, I don't need a job but to hold down the land.


self hating,

Why you crackers always trying to get a tan?


deep purple colored,

Hmm havn't seen that one. But I will say my peeps range from a beautiful coco butter complexion to a royal chocolate tone. What do your misfit Adams family look like?


sun worshiping,

I can understand why your red Satanic broken up cancer flesh hates the nourishing rays from the sun.


sand dune dwelling,


Shit original people originate in all climates and enviroments, includig the desert. Alot of holy men, prophets, and wise men in the ancient world used to roll through them.


edit: and I will say I'd rather live like a Beaudoin and a shiek in the desert then live in those cold ass caves in the bottomless pit known as Europe.




whiny,crybabies.


Nver heard of a whiny, crybaby Native American. When destruction and calamity falls on you muthafuckas shit is funny as hell though.



So what have you got to say about that huh?


See all of the above.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 08:27 PM
ahahah!...ur a native american? Shiiiiiiit....those northern euros (of which im not) fuckin jacked your shit right from you! They showed up at your house full of about 100 with three dudes and just fuckin ripped it right from you and then took a dump on you. As a sign of them being that much better and wanting you to know it, they set aside a 3 by 4 foot 'reservation in the back yard, where they built a shack for you to live in.

LOL. ur classic man...Im glad your here.

Kephrem
11-28-2007, 08:34 PM
ahahah!...ur a native american? Shiiiiiiit....those northern euros (of which im not) fuckin jacked your shit right from you!

Yeah mostly it was the diseases/demons pouring out of your forefathers pale bubonic plagued out flesh that weakened the war effort. That and the fact you spread like cancer from cold shitty ass faggoted out Renasaince Europe.

So wait you're a Southern European? Lol. Your mothers were getting fucked by Moors for centuries 'Nicky' or is it Lil Niggy?

LORD NOSE
11-28-2007, 08:45 PM
Oh yea??? Your ancestors are a bunch of slave selling, European owned, poverty ridden, AIDS infested, lazy, can't keep a job, self hating, deep purple colored, sun worshiping, sand dune dwelling, whiny,crybabies.

So what have you got to say about that huh?

if thats how you feel about black people and Wu-Tang, why are you here ?

why not go to a megadeath or marilyn mansion fan site
where you can talk about fucking dead people in the mouth and chewing live vermin

Olive Oil Goombah
11-28-2007, 09:39 PM
I dont hate blacks. I dont hate any group. I just dont like some of the scum floating around this place claiming to be religious, claiming to be righteous, when they are just as bad as the people they are slandering.

Kephrem is a prime example of this.

Kephrem...Little 'Niggy' huh? Your not black, and just cuz your a 'minority', I doubt you are givin a pass for that word. Tsk Tsk.

The moors invading Italy....yes, the black heathens pillaging and raping my people, and you still want us to feel for the African AMerican experience?......when you did this to us looooooong before there was a U.S.A. Deal with it. It happened, its not going to change

Eventually, you guys will all bring yourselves down.

LORD NOSE
11-28-2007, 09:55 PM
I dont hate blacks. I dont hate any group. I just dont like some of the scum floating around this place claiming to be religious, claiming to be righteous, when they are just as bad as the people they are slandering.

Kephrem is a prime example of this.

Kephrem...Little 'Niggy' huh? Your not black, and just cuz your a 'minority', I doubt you are givin a pass for that word. Tsk Tsk.

The moors invading Italy....yes, the black heathens pillaging and raping my people, and you still want us to feel for the African AMerican experience?......when you did this to us looooooong before there was a U.S.A. Deal with it. It happened, its not going to change

Eventually, you guys will all bring yourselves down.



not convincing



if thats how you feel about black people and Wu-Tang, why are you here ?

why not go to a megadeath or marilyn mansion fan site
where you can talk about fucking dead people in the mouth and chewing live vermin

Kephrem
11-28-2007, 10:34 PM
Kephrem...Little 'Niggy' huh? Your not black,

The point is YOU might be though.

and just cuz your a 'minority',

There are more people of color, black, native american, latino in this part of the world then white people. [YOU'RE the minority]


I doubt you are givin a pass for that word. Tsk Tsk.

Devil whose supposed to give me a ''pass'' to do anything? I'm gonna call you little niggy for now on to remind you of how your foremothers were getting ravished for centuries over in Italy. How you like them apples? You thought you were going to beat us in the head with how whites are superior to blacks and natives, via slavery, conquest, etc, but now you're realizing that you're not that special after all


The moors invading Italy....yes, the black heathens pillaging and raping my people, and you still want us to feel for the African AMerican experience?......when you did this to us looooooong before there was a U.S.A. Deal with it. It happened, its not going to change

Good to see you got the point that your former masters in Europe were black.

diggy
11-28-2007, 10:41 PM
Actually, I'm the biggest idiot for wasting my words on you retards.

Sunny, I will waste a few more. Black americans should thank slave traders for bringing them here. If we didn't you wouldnt have hip hop, fried chicken, grits or the wutang corp.

My ancestors aren't English but.......Your welcome.


Mofos like u are the reason y I don't like most white people. Death to u fuckers.

diggy
11-28-2007, 10:50 PM
And like Sunny said, why are u here if u don't like black people? Fuckin hypocrite.

But I understand, your ancestors are from Italy right- People who are known to be some of the most racists on this planet. It makes sense now. BUt your still a hypocrite for being on this site. And your ancestors were young boy-loving butt-fuckers.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-29-2007, 06:05 AM
The true colors shine thru.....I don't have a problem. Whatever blood is in me is in me. I embrace it.

Look at all this anti-white racism. Its just a matter of time before it comes out.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-29-2007, 06:08 AM
not convincing



if thats how you feel about black people and Wu-Tang, why are you here ?

why not go to a megadeath or marilyn mansion fan site
where you can talk about fucking dead people in the mouth and chewing live vermin

But that is the response I'd get from one of you idiots. You see you change your tune to whatever fits in line with you.

Why are we fighting my brother when we got Keph callin me 'niggy'.....whose conquering and dividing who?

LORD NOSE
11-29-2007, 10:28 AM
But that is the response I'd get from one of you idiots. You see you change your tune to whatever fits in line with you.

Why are we fighting my brother when we got Keph callin me 'niggy'.....whose conquering and dividing who?


shut the fuck up already - you're done

diggy
11-29-2007, 11:31 PM
The color that shines thru u is pure white racism, Nicky Douche.

diggy
11-29-2007, 11:35 PM
Look at all this anti-white racism. Its just a matter of time before it comes out.

Talking about racism. You stated that if blacks were not slaved by you, we would not have fried chicken (of all things!).....etc...

Your glass house is shattered, fool.

Olive Oil Goombah
11-30-2007, 07:45 AM
Im have black blood in me, so I can say those things. For anyone here to call me racist, u are a hippocrite because your hatred for the white man far outweighs any joke that I could tell about my black brothers.