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claaa7
12-18-2007, 05:07 AM
This is obvious, both albums are built around 70's soul-sampling and hood stories. The two artists are on the same level lyrically and with the flow, plus the main producers are the same.

So which is the better album, if you ask me the answers easy. American Gangster is better executed.

main_man
12-18-2007, 08:57 AM
damn hard one for me. u need to put a tie option on there, cause i like em both about the same.

Rame
12-18-2007, 01:37 PM
We're on a Wu-Tang forum, what do you think people will vote?

I bet some people will vote without even hearing both albums.

PoisonousDarT36
12-18-2007, 01:50 PM
american gangster is better

american dreamin
no hook
ignorant shit
say hello
success
fallin

are better than every song on bdr except yolanda's house

we celebrate and white linen affair are average at best and there is no other standout on the album besides yolanda's house

the hitmen's work on ag is way better than their work on bdr as well

11th Chamber
12-18-2007, 01:51 PM
lol, serious question?

I voted on Jay's album just to help him get the votes

Monkdude
12-18-2007, 03:52 PM
honestly, I thought american gangster was sub par. BDR was just decent, but Jay fell off pretty bad.

ShaDynasty
12-18-2007, 05:00 PM
No point in this thread because of the bias, but still 'American Gangster' is a professional sounding project with numerous quotables and a continuous sound that makes 'BDR' sound like it was slapped together in a few hours.

Also theres not really stories on 'AG', more observations and introspective writing on the life of a hustler. Ghost's album has some great tracks and stories but it doesn't really have any deep messages to it. Its that fast food that RZA was talking about.

GhettoGnom
12-18-2007, 05:13 PM
Not that big of an American Gangster (album) fan..

BDR

IrOnMaN
12-18-2007, 05:55 PM
BDR>AG


^^All day, my friend.:Y

PoisonousDarT36
12-18-2007, 05:56 PM
No point in this thread because of the bias, but still 'American Gangster' is a professional sounding project with numerous quotables and a continuous sound that makes 'BDR' sound like it was slapped together in a few hours.

Also theres not really stories on 'AG', more observations and introspective writing on the life of a hustler. Ghost's album has some great tracks and stories but it doesn't really have any deep messages to it. Its that fast food that RZA was talking about.

great post, this is all true.

Oztradamus
12-18-2007, 06:25 PM
I'm a bigger Ghost fan than Jigga, but Jigga dropped a better album that Ghost. That's a fact... :D

Exodus
12-18-2007, 06:45 PM
American Gangster

junius
12-18-2007, 07:00 PM
Fucking retards; Ghost's ** worst ** album versus a better (but still wackass bullshit) Jay one that cost TEN times (at least) to make? Verdict: Beanie Sigel sucks but oooh, he does make the boss sound better.

Smif N Wessun "The Album" > Jay & Ghost combined this time, however--

Ghost on "Pretty Toney" DESTROYS ** all ** Jay

Ghost on "8D" DESTROYS "I Was a Cartoon Gangster"

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
12-18-2007, 07:09 PM
Its that fast food that RZA was talking about.

yeah there wasn't no nourishment's from Ghost's album it was more like a quick microwave meal but still good

and "american gangster" was dope but i felt like i wanted more

this is why 8 diagrams is the full meal, something that lingers with me and gradually get bumped a lil more

PoisonousDarT36
12-18-2007, 07:15 PM
Fucking retards; Ghost's ** worst ** album versus a better (but still wackass bullshit) Jay one that cost TEN times (at least) to make? Verdict: Beanie Sigel sucks but oooh, he does make the boss sound better.

Smif N Wessun "The Album" > Jay & Ghost combined this time, however--

Ghost on "Pretty Toney" DESTROYS ** all ** Jay

Ghost on "8D" DESTROYS "I Was a Cartoon Gangster"

big doe>>>>bulletproof wallets

reasonable doubt>any ghost album

TAURO
12-18-2007, 08:35 PM
American Gangster was garbage........one of his worst.

Poetic Disciple
12-18-2007, 10:56 PM
For those people that kept saying how biased this vote was gonna be Jay sure is getting more votes than Ghost.

wuswordz95
12-18-2007, 11:01 PM
i voted gayz cuz I read an interview that he digs nirvana and radio head. lupe fiasco is his fav current rapper. I guess gay z hate is over

J-DON
12-18-2007, 11:05 PM
Production: American Gangster

MCing: Big Doe Rehab

MAYOR QUIMBY
12-18-2007, 11:15 PM
I thought J.Z. was retiring after The Black Album?

MastaCee
12-19-2007, 12:25 PM
Big doe was better, i wasent really feelin American Gangster.

Dirty Knowledge
12-19-2007, 01:58 PM
I've probably listened to both albums a few times, (I plan on bumping GFK a lot more over the next week), but I think GFK got it. Jay-Z has some nice tracks, Ignorant Shit, Success, but then he's got some bullshit. Jay-Z to me is also the same in mostly everytrack he does anyway. GFK at least flips the style with his stories and his wildout flow. And the appearances on BDR are dope, I love when Ghost rocks with his T-Unit people..especially Shawn Wiggs LMAO.

TeknicelStylez
12-19-2007, 02:04 PM
Are you fucking kidding me, Jay Z is garbage now.

PoisonousDarT36
12-19-2007, 02:20 PM
Are you fucking kidding me, Jay Z is garbage now.

explanation...

Paranoid
12-19-2007, 03:20 PM
Bdr

ilzPotent
12-19-2007, 03:44 PM
Goodness - I have to say American Gansta on lyrical content alone, but you really think you're rating artist of equal caliber? Somehow I don't agree. :: shrugs ::

and I co-sign Poisonous Reasonable Doubt >>>> Any Ghost album...

claaa7
12-19-2007, 05:22 PM
No point in this thread because of the bias, but still 'American Gangster' is a professional sounding project with numerous quotables and a continuous sound that makes 'BDR' sound like it was slapped together in a few hours.

Also theres not really stories on 'AG', more observations and introspective writing on the life of a hustler. Ghost's album has some great tracks and stories but it doesn't really have any deep messages to it. Its that fast food that RZA was talking about.

yep so true, that's why I wanted to make this thread/poll to see if people votes for the artist they listen to most or the musically better album. I'm a much bigger fan of Ghost but it's a fact that American Gangster is the superior LP.

venex
12-19-2007, 07:26 PM
I'm still enjoying Big doe rehab a lot and i'm listening to it constantely... way better then fishscale IMO

PoisonousDarT36
12-19-2007, 07:41 PM
I'm still enjoying Big doe rehab a lot and i'm listening to it constantely... way better then fishscale IMO

yeah definitely. fishscale is way overrated to me though.

11th Chamber
12-19-2007, 08:02 PM
Goodness - I have to say American Gansta on lyrical content alone, but you really think you're rating artist of equal caliber? Somehow I don't agree. :: shrugs ::

and I co-sign Poisonous Reasonable Doubt >>>> Any Ghost album...

Ironman and Supreme Clientele are both superior to Reasonable Doubt. Real talk.

ilzPotent
12-20-2007, 01:07 PM
Ironman and Supreme Clientele are both superior to Reasonable Doubt. Real talk.


Supreme Clientele is One of my top albums but dude no way it is better then Reasonable Doubt. I don't even think you can rate these two artist in the same thread. and IRONMAN better than Reasonable Doubt? Come on thats crazy. But it is your opinion. Ghost to Jay Z is like rap to hip hop. Its like comparing gritty hard to hard with a tune. Like saying Mobb Deep (Hell on Earth) to Pharell latest Album. Two different leagues. Ghost is RAP music...Jay Z is Hip Hop ... and if you didn't know, yea there is a difference.

PoisonousDarT36
12-20-2007, 01:23 PM
Supreme Clientele is One of my top albums but dude no way it is better then Reasonable Doubt. I don't even think you can rate these two artist in the same thread. and IRONMAN better than Reasonable Doubt? Come on thats crazy. But it is your opinion. Ghost to Jay Z is like rap to hip hop. Its like comparing gritty hard to hard with a tune. Like saying Mobb Deep (Hell on Earth) to Pharell latest Album. Two different leagues. Ghost is RAP music...Jay Z is Hip Hop ... and if you didn't know, yea there is a difference.

the only difference is that rap is music, hip-hop is the culture.

you can compare these albums, besides, RD is gritty. but yeah it's way better than Ironman and SC, it compares to OB4CL. How could Ironman be better than an album with Can't Knock the Hustle, Dead Presidents II, D'Evils, Can I Live, Bring It On and Regrets?

CuzinBilly
12-20-2007, 01:39 PM
i don't even think big doe rehab is better than more fish Alex Stolen script-and block rock kill anything on bdr.

Dominus Santorini
12-20-2007, 08:11 PM
On the real, American Gangster is a much more entertaining album...I Know, Ign Shit, Say Hello, No Hook are heads and shoulders better than all of Big Doe Rehab except Yolanda's house and my personal favorite, Die for you

Paranoid
12-20-2007, 10:13 PM
Bdr

Acromadic
12-20-2007, 10:29 PM
yep so true, that's why I wanted to make this thread/poll to see if people votes for the artist they listen to most or the musically better album. I'm a much bigger fan of Ghost but it's a fact that American Gangster is the superior LP.


That is not a fact, it's an opinion. Jay-Z fell off. Kingdom Come and American Gangster are both weak albums...in my opinion. Best part about American Gangster is the Nas verse.

Although BDR was a fast food meal, it was better than American Gangster. Ghost is better at telling stories....they are far more complex than those of Jay-Z. Just my opinion.

ballistic
12-20-2007, 10:56 PM
I'm a bigger Ghost fan than Jigga, but Jigga dropped a better album that Ghost. That's a fact... :D

co/s

Monkdude
12-21-2007, 02:15 AM
true, nas murked Jay. OB4CL > reasonable Doubt > Ironman > Supreme Clientelle > Blueprint

PoisonousDarT36
12-21-2007, 02:39 AM
true, nas murked Jay. OB4CL > reasonable Doubt > Ironman > Supreme Clientelle > Blueprint

nas did not murk jay at all, nas's verse was actually worse imo but it's up for debate.

i agree 100% with that order.

Mista JpKoff
12-21-2007, 03:31 AM
This is obvious, both albums are built around 70's soul-sampling and hood stories. The two artists are on the same level lyrically and with the flow, plus the main producers are the same.

So which is the better album, if you ask me the answers easy. American Gangster is better executed.

yeah i agree. except that i think jigga's better than ghost with his rhymeschemes and even lyrically, but ghost edges jay with his storytelling ability. I vote for american gangster for the same reason as you

DrUnK-N-MuNkY
12-21-2007, 05:06 AM
American gangster was better,but both are great albums

Edgar Erebus
12-21-2007, 06:53 AM
No point in this thread because of the bias, but still 'American Gangster' is a professional sounding project with numerous quotables and a continuous sound that makes 'BDR' sound like it was slapped together in a few hours.

Also theres not really stories on 'AG', more observations and introspective writing on the life of a hustler. Ghost's album has some great tracks and stories but it doesn't really have any deep messages to it. Its that fast food that RZA was talking about.

That's word, and for the same reason I voted for American Gangster. Plus it had overall better production than BDR (seems like LV and Sean C can make dope tracks only if mentored by Diddy, but ssshhhh, don't tell no one).

EDIT: Ah, yeah, replay value. Two weeks after BDR I'm listening pretty much just to Yolanda's House, Yapp City and I'll Die for You. Two months after AG I'm listening to every song, intro included, except Party Life, Blue Magic and I Know.

Wu-Tality
12-21-2007, 07:09 AM
Both albums got playtime here, but BDR takes the cake. Personally I like it very much.

Orion Nebulus
12-21-2007, 08:46 AM
I didn't really like either albums to be honest.


IRONMAN better than Reasonable Doubt?Ghost is RAP music...Jay Z is Hip Hop ... and if you didn't know, yea there is a difference.

Umm I also think Ironman is better than Reasonable Doubt. And explain why Ghostface is rap and Jay Z is hiphop.