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singodsuperior
12-20-2007, 03:04 PM
I remember hearing about a greek holiday on Rass Kass's Nature of the threat song. He was talking about something called Satanalia (i don't know how to spell it) if anyone has information or a website that they know of please tell. I can't find shit on it. Thank You!!!!

Cthulhu
12-20-2007, 03:39 PM
I remember hearing about a greek holiday on Rass Kass's Nature of the threat song. He was talking about something called Satanalia (i don't know how to spell it) if anyone has information or a website that they know of please tell. I can't find shit on it. Thank You!!!!

Saturnalia was a Roman festival that took place on December 7, but eventually got extended to the 23. Thanks wikipedia. (Although I had heard of Saturnalia before.) Almost all Christian holidays are replacements of a European pagan holiday. Halloween/All Saint's Day, Christmas, Easter, etc.

singodsuperior
12-20-2007, 03:54 PM
thanks a lot

singodsuperior
12-20-2007, 03:55 PM
Saturnalia was a Roman festival that took place on December 7, but eventually got extended to the 23. Thanks wikipedia. (Although I had heard of Saturnalia before.) Almost all Christian holidays are replacements of a European pagan holiday. Halloween/All Saint's Day, Christmas, Easter, etc.


so the roman festival deals with astro theology. I can tell by the name.

LORD NOSE
12-20-2007, 04:40 PM
I remember hearing about a greek holiday on Rass Kass's Nature of the threat song. He was talking about something called Satanalia (i don't know how to spell it) if anyone has information or a website that they know of please tell. I can't find shit on it. Thank You!!!!



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/christmas2.jpg

Christmas ^

and here is your bait, not mines

also watch The ZeitGeist for an illustrated explanation of this Christmas/saturnalia celebration


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/SUNWORSHIP.jpg

singodsuperior
12-20-2007, 04:54 PM
cool, thanks for the info

LORD NOSE
12-20-2007, 05:34 PM
cool, thanks for the info


Fuck Satins Clause/Claws lol

diggy
12-20-2007, 08:45 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/SUNWORSHIP.jpg


What book is this?

illlx
12-20-2007, 11:06 PM
i think its the holy tablets...could you hook me up with a pdf copy sunny? been looking for that book forever but every copy I encounter is $100 and up.

Cthulhu
12-21-2007, 10:22 AM
I actually make an educational post and lo-and-behold, Sunny Winters comes in to spread his Afrocentric pseudo-history bullshit.

LORD NOSE
12-21-2007, 12:26 PM
I actually make an educational post and lo-and-behold, Sunny Winters comes in to spread his Afrocentric pseudo-history bullshit.



http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8416/6i8nihdx6.jpg

Olive Oil Goombah
12-21-2007, 12:33 PM
Stop hatin on Christmas you grinches...everyone knows it is totally commercialized, and has little or no religious meaning anymore.

Dont act like you dont buy gifts on Christmas either.

So go rent National Lampoons, A christmas story, or just take a stroll thru the mall and enjoy the season.

Grinches.

TSA
12-21-2007, 03:27 PM
yeah, faggots that hate on christmas and christianity and faggots and fags.

faggots.


and it's just cause they're popular.


If christmas is "less legit" because its roots are in a pagan holiday then why don't you bash paganism, which by default, you guys are painting as the root of all illegitamacy






thank god for the Ziegeist bible right? and by God i mean Internet Kwanl3dge






open you presents and shut up nigga.

Cthulhu
12-22-2007, 11:00 PM
yeah, faggots that hate on christmas and christianity and faggots and fags.

faggots.


and it's just cause they're popular.


If christmas is "less legit" because its roots are in a pagan holiday then why don't you bash paganism, which by default, you guys are painting as the root of all illegitamacy






thank god for the Ziegeist bible right? and by God i mean Internet Kwanl3dge






open you presents and shut up nigga. I don't think anyone was saying this.

Cthulhu
12-22-2007, 11:01 PM
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8416/6i8nihdx6.jpg

Sure am. What of it?

TSA
12-23-2007, 12:37 AM
I don't think anyone was saying this.

yes they are.


shut up and open your U-god hallmark card

LORD NOSE
12-23-2007, 12:46 AM
fuck christmas

TSA
12-23-2007, 02:10 AM
^mad the mall santa laughed when he requested to loose his virginity for christmas

LORD NOSE
12-23-2007, 02:32 AM
STFU lil kid

TSA
12-23-2007, 03:01 AM
STFU lil kid






























http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8416/6i8nihdx6.jpg

:(

LORD NOSE
12-23-2007, 05:56 AM
:(


http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4914/retarded2gw5.png

DR. NICK RIVIERA
12-23-2007, 05:59 PM
well this thread surely have x-mas spirit all around it

Kephrem
12-24-2007, 02:18 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/christmas2.jpg

Christmas ^

This translation isn't helpful for actually proving the Bible's condemnation of what's today referred to as the Christmas tree. It shouldn't read that the ''craftsmen shapes it with his chisel'' (as this mistranslation above does) because all the ''workman'' actually did was ''cut a tree out of a forest'' with an ''ax'' and then ''deck it with silver and gold'' (ornaments). The King James 1611 translation proves it's talking about the ancient ''Christmas tree'' without a shadow of a doubt.

Jer 10:1 ¶ Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

These are the words of the prophet Jeremiah as given to him by the Most High to teach the Israelites during the reign of the ancient 'Babylonian' empire.

Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

This verse is going into where the custom partly has its origin, and that's the ''signs of heaven'' because so-called Christmas has to do with the Winter Solstice, and with the superstitions which ancient man had in regards to the movements of the 'heavenly bodies'. (the sun, etc.)



http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/03/49/22244903.jpg


Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

This translation is much better (deriving as it does from the original Hebrew and early Greek texts) as we can see in the verse here there was no ''shaping'' of the tree AT ALL, rather it was just cut down with an ax and served as a standing idol as it was.

Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

Today most people don't deck it with actual silver and gold but with replica silver (http://www.floralartmall.com/PortsmouthChristmastree4.jpg) (there's also a Christmas song named ''Silver Bells'' (http://static.flickr.com/124/322174893_9ea73f4c8f.jpg)) and with replca gold (http://www.hickerphoto.com/data/media/172/san_francisco_picture_t2103.jpg). (they also sometimes use gold or silver tinsel)

Also today these people who celebrate this ancient 'Babylonian' custom don't have to fasten the trees anymore with nails or with hammers because what they have now is Christmas tree stands.

http://www.safechristmas.com/no_glare_crop.jpg

Jer 10:5 They [are] upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also [is it] in them to do good.

In this verse the prophet Jeremiah is explaining part of the origin of the custom. It says that these trees don't speak, or walk (''they cannot go'') and must be carried (''must needs be borne'' (http://www.mychocodile.com/Our%20Christmas%20Tree.jpg)), and that they cannot do evil or good, because it was said in those times that a spirit possessed these trees during their 'holiday' season in ancient Babylon, which they said was the spirit of 'Nimrod'.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/SUNWORSHIP.jpg


Where is it proven that the words ''horizon'' and ''horoscope'' derive from the name/myth of Horus? I looked up the etymology of both words and it doesn't get into this alleged history.


horoscope
c.1050, horoscopus, from L.; the modern form is considered to be a 16c. reborrowing from M.Fr. horoscope, from L. horoscopus, from Gk. horoskopos "nativity, horoscope," also "one who casts a horoscope," from hora "hour" (see year) + skopos "watching," in reference to the hour of one's birth.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=horoscope


horizon
c.1374, from O.Fr. orizon (14c.), earlier orizonte (13c.), from L. horizontem (nom. horizon), from Gk. horizon kyklos "bounding circle," from horizein "bound, limit, divide, separate," from horos "boundary."

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=horizon


And another thing, about the name of so-called Santa Claus being a coded reference to the devil. The name has nothing to do with 'Satans Claws' because the name Santa Claus is just a modern way of saying the word Saint while shortening the name Nicholas. (or rather through certain languages/translations that's how it's pronounced)

Now the popular character/archtype that's said to be Santa Claus is what's actually a veiled representation of another (non Biblical) god, what was once called in ancient Europe (amongst its many incarnations) the Lord of Misrule.

http://www.24kvintageart.com/library/santaclausfaces.html

However Saint Nicholas was an actual historical person, he was a Bishop who lived during the time of Emperor Constantine (400's C.E.) . If anyone was checking out the History Channel today (December 23rd) they had on a good program called ''Christmas Unwrapped'' where they not only brought out the actual time of year that Christ was born (during the Springtime), they also revealed the true physical likeness of Saint Nick as seen in one of the many authentic ancient icons of him found throughout Europe, showing him as he truely was, as a dark skinned man.

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b70af3824f.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Authentic ancient icon of Saint Nicholas A/K/A Saint Nick, A/K/A Santa Claus

V4D3R
12-24-2007, 03:54 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/SUNWORSHIP.jpg

^^Because that is from Dwight Yorks book - The Holy Tablets -

Kephrem
12-24-2007, 04:10 AM
V4D3R so you're saying that it's not ''overstanding''? (as York would say)

LORD NOSE
12-24-2007, 04:34 AM
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/MUDSOCIETY/NICK.jpg

V4D3R
12-24-2007, 04:37 AM
IMO York is a mad plagiarist. I think Nuwaubians need to do Right Knowledge on their own and quit relying on what he laid out, if they are still blinded by his spell. Which is what some I know do now.

Some stick to the belief that his over 1000 cases of child molestation are outweighed by his good deeds for the black community.

Thats like saying that "The Christian missionaries that came to cleanse the "savage" unbelievers of the world (while they defiled children) are saints."

I'm still doing my own knowledge on York.

Kephrem
12-24-2007, 06:51 AM
Old Nick might be a ''nick name'' of Satan but the historical progression of the name Santa Claus doesn't have that as part of its legend. Because the fact is the name derives from a HISTORICAL BISHOP from Turkey.

Saint Nicholas (Greek: ?gioV Nik?laoV , Agios Nikolaos, "victory of the people") is the common name for Nicholas of Myra, a saint and Bishop of Myra in Lycia of Anatolia (modern-day Antalya province, Turkey, though then it was a Greek-speaking Roman Province). He was born during the third century in the village of Patara.


Life

Nicholas was born in Asia Minor during the third century in the Greek colony[2] of Patara in Lycia in the Roman province of Asia- modern-day Antalya in Turkey — at a time when the region was Hellenistic in its culture and outlook.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

Kephrem
12-24-2007, 06:55 AM
lol @ the supposition that 'Old Nick' as a 'nick name' for the devil is somehow relevant to everyone that was ever named Nicholas.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-24-2007, 03:57 PM
Websters dictionary defines the name Nick as the devil. Adam Sandlers 'Little Nicky' anyone?

Kephrem
12-24-2007, 09:24 PM
Websters dictionary defines the name Nick as the devil. Adam Sandlers 'Little Nicky' anyone?


I guess you really are a devil then huh?

Olive Oil Goombah
12-25-2007, 12:05 AM
I'm just a man who was blessed with an open mind and the ability to analyze things rationally. I'm not special tho, i think everyone person possesses this, its just a matter of letting go of your pride and soul searching to seek the real truth. Thats all I'm looking for.

Kephrem
12-25-2007, 12:51 AM
Tell us what Websters definition of the name Nick has to do with the topic.

Nicholas
masc. proper name, from Gk. Nikholaos, lit. "victory-people," from nike "victory" + laos "people." The saint (obit. 326 C.E.) was a bishop of Myra in Lycia, patron of scholars, especially schoolboys. A popular given name in England in Middle Ages, as was the fem. form Nicolaa, corresponding to Fr. Nicole. Colloquial Old Nick "the devil" is attested from 1643, evidently from the proper name, but for no certain reason.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-25-2007, 01:11 AM
If it offends you so much than why look it up? We are talking about usage of the name Nick and Santa Claus over time. Its fairly on topic. Why do you respond to everything I say?

Kephrem
12-25-2007, 05:56 AM
Wow you're stupid. The fuckin name Santa Claus derives from the words Saint and Nicholas, a historical person, not the devil.

We are talking about usage of the name Nick and Santa Claus over time.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-25-2007, 03:44 PM
u set your self up with that one

Do you really think I didnt know those would be the next words out of his mouth?

DR. NICK RIVIERA
12-25-2007, 11:58 PM
or is santa a play on the word satan?

no

It's Saint Nicholas...everything else is just similar and has nothing to do with it

Kephrem
12-26-2007, 02:09 AM
wera's right. This cat Palehorse just can't read. I been said that the word Santa means saint through one of its translations.

Santa Claus (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Santa+Claus)1773 (as St. A Claus, in "New York Gazette"), Amer.Eng., from dialectal Du. Sante Klaas, from M.Du. Sinter Niklaas "Saint Nicholas," bishop of Asia Minor who became a patron saint for children.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Santa+Claus

If you're looking for the devil look at the history of the character that's recognized TODAY as ''Santa Claus''...NOT THE ACTUAL NAME ITSELF.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-26-2007, 12:51 PM
Kephrem get off your high mule...all you do is throw around quotes and give your ridiculous opinion on them. I would like to know your education level besides wikipedia.

Kephrem
12-26-2007, 07:11 PM
That wasn't a ridiculous opinion. That was from an online etymology dictionary. Fool!

V4D3R
12-26-2007, 10:11 PM
Too many ad hominems Kephrem get you no respect.

And not everybody has black supremest UPK cult like visions on things.

Kephrem
12-28-2007, 03:29 AM
First of all only Nicky Tooch was called a fool, and that's because he's a fool who doesn't add shit to most discussions I've encountered him in. And son you still detoxing off of Yorks teaching. You ain't got shit to say about anyone else.

V4D3R
12-28-2007, 04:48 PM
^^York is on point with some historical facts - I will give him that - but when something becomes a supremest doctrine - things get dangerous. Supremest as in calling a race devils. Fact is not all white people are evil - just like every race has "devils".

Nicky didn't personally attack you. Debate needs to be in more peaceful means.

SL33
12-28-2007, 06:57 PM
real Christmas is on january 7th.....old roman calendar

Kephrem
12-29-2007, 09:15 AM
One) Your enlightener York is a convicted baby rapist. Two) The Truth is supremacist and yes it's dangerous. 3) Devils are devils. And that's the Edomites. And negroes like you who are their advocates. 4) Nicky didn't just attack me, his were words of war towards my culture in the Columbus thread. 5) Mind your fuckin buisness.

V4D3R
12-29-2007, 10:01 AM
One) Your enlightener York is a convicted baby rapist. Two) The Truth is supremacist and yes it's dangerous. 3) Devils are devils. And that's the Edomites. And negroes like you who are their advocates. 4) Nicky didn't just attack me, his were words of war towards my culture in the Columbus thread. 5) Mind your fuckin buisness.
:clap:

York is not my light. My light is the Creator's light.

One Truth is that all blood is red when it pours.

Not all people are on par with the past - or stuck in that loop of wanting to live in that past of seeking vengeance. Life is love, not living with hate. Forgive but never forget. Be prepared next time.

Past transgressions hold no weight here. See if you wish ill upon another race or person - the laws of the Universe - The Creator - will do you in. Why continue ?

Don't forget the good message. Where all brothers and sisters - our mother the Earth - our Father the Great Spirit.

Now ask yourself this. Why are you preaching from a book that priests use, York got nothing on preachers of that book? Those that forced it's words on people like they forced themselves on children....

take a look in the mirror White Cloak.

Before you continue on with the Ad Hominems....look in the mirror at who the new Inquisitor is. You calling Nuwaubians off the path - is like the pot calling the kettle black.

If anything - the prophet/messiah Jesus states that on his second coming all the churches of the world will be wrong and he will right them.

You'll find the quote for us wont you?

Kephrem
12-29-2007, 11:04 AM
One Truth is that all blood is red when it pours.


No shit. That doesn't change that the Western world was built off the BLOOD of hundreds of millions of my people and that Justice will see to it that they be payed back in kind and with slavery. Rev. 13 : 9, 10


Not all people are on par with the past -


That's because those people you refer to are dumb, deaf, and blind.


or stuck in that loop of wanting to live in that past of seeking vengeance.


If Justice is what justifies vengeance, then you, and the wicked you're defending here can't help to stop Universal Law from coming to pass.



Life is love,


No shit. And it's also justice, and destruction to those who have taken lives and built countries on the evils of rape(of whole tribes of people), (land) robbery, and (genocidal) murder.


not living with hate.



Whose living with hate? You come off as sounding real simple. It's as if in all your years on this earth wisdom escapes you because you still havn't deciphered that HATE (like Love) is ALSO a part of life, because it means to feel strongly against something.


Ecc 3:8 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Ecc/Ecc003.html#8) A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


Forgive but never forget.


lol@ justice forgiving. Straight up simpleton.



Be prepared next time.


Smh. There isn't no being ''prepared next time''. As if Gods people have to be in a perpetual defensive position, implying they're somehow weak and feeble. Nah homie. The Most High will give his people the power to be in the OFFENSIVE and to serve out that justice that you're trying so hard to shield those devils form recieving, because you love so much. And that justice is for their crimes against nature, man, and beast.



Past transgressions hold no weight here.



They hold no weight with you because you're of the devil.

However with God it's a different story.


2Th 1:6 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Th/2Th001.html#6) Seeing a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;


See if you wish ill upon another race or person - the laws of the Universe - The Creator - will do you in. Why continue ?


You have no concept of the Laws of the Universe/the Creator. If you did you wouldn't be defending that which threw everything off balance.


Don't forget the good message. Where all brothers and sisters - our mother the Earth - our Father the Great Spirit.


Ever learning, never being able to come to the knowledge of the truth..yea, it's now manifested that you've only became more willingly ignorant during all this time you've been on KTL.



Now ask yourself this. Why are you preaching from a book that priests use,



That you even refer to some fake pedophiles known to the world as Catholic ''priests'' shows you lack knowledge.



York got nothing on preachers of that book?


Preachers? Whose that? Creflo Dollars and them?


And until you can show where these fake preachers got convicted of baby rape I wouldn't say that York is better then them.


Those that forced it's words on people like they forced themselves on children....

I guess those fake preachers and homo ass Catholic priests have something in common with your former Maku.


Before you continue on with the [I]Ad Hominems....


Is this your new favorite term?



look in the mirror at who the new Inquisitor is. You calling Nuwaubians off the path - is like the pot calling the kettle black.


I don't have to say shit about them. The universe has exposed their leader for what he is.


If anything - the prophet/messiah Jesus states that on his second coming all the churches of the world will be wrong and he will right them.


If by ''right them'' you meant destroy them with fire, then yea.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-29-2007, 12:50 PM
Kephrem, it has become obvious that you have serious issues with the fact that your people were the victims of colonialism.

But it happened, and its not going to change. Attacking me and inferring that I buy into whatever 'their leader' (i assume your talking about W) says is you implying that my mind is a slave to the American Govt. That somehow I am one of the programmed robots that I detest in another post.
Cut off the head and the rest will follow. Convert the head and the rest will convert.

ITs funny how much you quote the Bible. I do not believe the Native American was reading the BIble before the Europeans came? Correct me if i'm wrong. You just seem like a highly conflicted person.
You are like a scatterbrain with a one track mind.

V4D3R
12-29-2007, 06:26 PM
lmao - I guess I'm a devil defending simpleton now. I come to KTL and always preach that you must defend devils - and I preach the same shit - same style every time don't I- in your mind - Inquisitor? <<< sarcasm

@ one point I acknowledged that I needed help with the confusion from all the different doctrines being spread - information overload so to speak. I've taken that advice and - yes simplified things. I see people here that need way more help that i ever needed.

So who's going to pay for their injustices? Which wicked - all white people? All Edomites? Do you refer to Edomites as Asian as York does? Why are you such a hater?

You sound like you want to be one of the 4 horsemen or push the red button. Your poison.

Kephrem
12-30-2007, 07:05 AM
lmao - I guess I'm a devil defending simpleton now. I come to KTL and always preach that you must defend devils - and I preach the same shit - same style every time don't I- in your mind - Inquisitor? <<< sarcasm

Nothing intelligent (or intelligible) here to respond to, so I'll move on to the next point.

@ one point I acknowledged that I needed help with the confusion from all the different doctrines being spread - information overload so to speak. I've taken that advice and - yes simplified things.

If by ''things'' here you meant your mind, then yea, that's obvious that you've become (or rather always was) a simple cat.

So who's going to pay for their injustices? Which wicked - all white people? All Edomites?

All Edomites.


Do you refer to Edomites as Asian as York does?

Why do you constantly refer back to a baby rapist? But if York meant those of Caucasian extract then yes.


Why are you such a hater?

This is coming from a 30 something year old man. Straight stupidity. I already told you what hate means, and that there's a time and place for everything under the sun o simple one.

Cat talking about why am I such a hater. Why does your beloved whiteman HATE so much and destroys whole tribes of people in Afghanistan and Iraq over oil, politics, and drugs?

You sound like you want to be one of the 4 horsemen


If it's written in the scripture I'mma speak on it, isn't this ''KNOW THE LEDGE'' and the topic - the BIBLE?


or push the red button.

Ironically enough the people who will be ''pushing the red button'' (and who have been pushing it for the last 500 years) are the same people you're so desperately trying to defend here. (perhaps even because you're one of them?)


Your poison.

Of course you cant actually prove that because I dealt with all your comments point by point and exposed them as being highly ignorant of the scriptures, word meanings, history, etc.



Past transgressions hold no weight here.

This statement made it plainly obvious that you're not about Justice. And there's no greater poison then that.

Kephrem
12-30-2007, 07:26 AM
Kephrem, it has become obvious that you have serious issues with the fact that your people were the victims of colonialism.

Actually 'your people' are the victims of GOD. First you were cursed to be un-alike every other people on earth who are people of color. Second the only reason that you were set up on earth was so that God could destroy you and get the greater glory. God created the devil. God created Edomites to rule the earth for a certtain period and then wipe your ass out to show everyone one last time who's really in charge. Why do you think he put it in your scientists mind to develop a weapon that eventually would be their own civilizations destruction - the nuclear missle/technology? This is all written of in the scriptures. Your fate and destruction has already been predetermined and prophesied by the ancient prophets of the Bible.

But it happened, and its not going to change.

It's changing as you speak. The world (and north America) is increasingly becoming of color. The nations hate the U.S. They're building nukes to dump them on you. You skin color won't last naturally in the upcoming centuries. Your birth rate in Europe is a joke. What little you had in religous faith is becoming a thing of the past. The war in the middle east region will prove to be the nail on the coffin (World War 3 ). You're in the midst of the beginning stages of Armeggedon.


ITs funny how much you quote the Bible.

That would only be funny to a brute, a devil, a fool.


I do not believe the Native American was reading the BIble before the Europeans came?

Who cares what you believe? The Bible was obviously compiled in Western and eastern Europe. The laws, customs, history etc. found within it are ancient and were around thousands of years before they were recorded on paper.


Correct me if i'm wrong.

I've been doing that since the Columbus thread.

You just seem like a highly conflicted person.

Your perception is your own.

You are like a scatterbrain with a one track mind.

And you're a mindless devil. Everything you say is textbook devil.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-30-2007, 12:03 PM
You are officially delusional now. Funny all this coming from a Native American, to whom monotheism was brought by the so-called devils. How about the Native AMerican birthrate? Or how about the Native America rate of drug use?
Before you worry about other peoples and attempting to spread your outlandish racist views, you need to look in the mirror.
You mindset is no different than those that you call 'devils'. Can you not see this yet?

LORD NOSE
12-30-2007, 12:14 PM
You are officially delusional now. Funny all this coming from a Native American, to whom monotheism was brought by the so-called devils. How about the Native AMerican birthrate? Or how about the Native America rate of drug use?
Before you worry about other peoples and attempting to spread your outlandish racist views, you need to look in the mirror.
You mindset is no different than those that you call 'devils'. Can you not see this yet?

why don't you understand ?

Olive Oil Goombah
12-30-2007, 02:51 PM
I understand him completely and I know his agenda. When he and those like him grow up and experience the world a little more, he will realize who idiotic his thinking is. Unless he is just a fanatical extremist at heart.

All this talk of devils and unnatural people is the same doctrine Hitler preached. Why don't YOU understand?

V4D3R
12-30-2007, 03:22 PM
^^Funny thing is this man - as soon as their agenda is pointed out to be racist and evil - they join teams against the righteous just to prove a point.

I have an XML document of Sunny hating on the Bible- Jesus - and Christianity, last but not least - him hating on Kephrem. But now he is Kephrems best buddy since he is in a disagreement with me.

Who says I'm defending any race for their injustices - I clearly stated the law of the Universe will deal with them. If you believe yourself to be God's tool of destruction then - I feel for you.

Never forget that no matter what. most of us are of mixed blood literally brothers in someway. I have two mixed Caucasian brothers, what your suggesting is I disown them for being their skin color.

You call me simple, all you have is your quotes to come at people when trapped in a corner of humiliation - that you use randomly to convene to your fantasies of being some righteous person- very delusional.

Say what you wanna say - I know who the simple ones are. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on that.

LORD NOSE
12-30-2007, 04:10 PM
I understand him completely and I know his agenda. When he and those like him grow up and experience the world a little more, he will realize who idiotic his thinking is. Unless he is just a fanatical extremist at heart.

All this talk of devils and unnatural people is the same doctrine Hitler preached. Why don't YOU understand?


hitler didn't prove his point though

they tried to create a situation to fit their ideas

our ideas fit the situation

they have a track record for leaving a path of death and destruction that cannot be denied


listen to what white people have to say about white people since you have a problem with acknowledging the truth from people you subconsciously feel are inferior to you





The History of Racism -


Part 1 - http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=18358

Part 2 - http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=18359

Part 3 - http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=18360


highly informative documentary

Olive Oil Goombah
12-30-2007, 04:31 PM
Your racist views (no different from what some whites preach) will never allow you to be taken seriously by anyone besides a hate filled racist no matter what color they are.

You preach hatred. End of discussion, no matter how eloquently you want to put it or however you attempt to match it up with scripture, it is what it is and always has been. Hate and evil.

LORD NOSE
12-30-2007, 05:05 PM
Your racist views (no different from what some whites preach) will never allow you to be taken seriously by anyone besides a hate filled racist no matter what color they are.

You preach hatred. End of discussion, no matter how eloquently you want to put it or however you attempt to match it up with scripture, it is what it is and always has been. Hate and evil.



a murderer would tell the jury to go fuck themselves after he is sentenced to death

Olive Oil Goombah
12-30-2007, 06:05 PM
And so would you.

TeknicelStylez
12-30-2007, 08:02 PM
You sound like more of a racist working so anxiously to debunk his claims. Why does it bother you that he is placing his people in a position of power through his beliefs?

Satan Claws has his grip on you.

TSA
12-30-2007, 08:14 PM
real Christmas is on january 7th.....old roman calendar
hey faggot




THIS AINT ROME!


Santa > wutang

Olive Oil Goombah
12-30-2007, 08:28 PM
You sound like more of a racist working so anxiously to debunk his claims. Why does it bother you that he is placing his people in a position of power through his beliefs?

Satan Claws has his grip on you.

I'm not the one calling human beings devils or trying to preach supremicist thinking. If I was a bigot and had time on my hands I could come up with a bullshit doctrine just like it.
He can believe what he wants, it does not effect me at all really. But this is a forum, and the reason for it is interaction.
So...go whine about not getting any christmas gifts.

TeknicelStylez
12-30-2007, 08:45 PM
Ok racist... would your head explode if I told you the almighty Wu-Tang believes the same thing that Sunny does? Matter fact, there's several instances of them calling white people devils.

"Scalping niggaz! Taking devils heads!"

What you though they meant the red guy with horns...

haha

V4D3R
12-30-2007, 09:01 PM
Ziggy Marley - Love is My Religion (Acoustic)

http://www.zshare.net/audio/60423676da6cac/

Not hate

TeknicelStylez
12-30-2007, 09:09 PM
Sorry pal, but in order to have love there will always be HATE. I'm sure there was some shit the Marley's felt like twisting the cap off of. Nobodies perfect...

Olive Oil Goombah
12-30-2007, 11:32 PM
Ok racist... would your head explode if I told you the almighty Wu-Tang believes the same thing that Sunny does? Matter fact, there's several instances of them calling white people devils.

"Scalping niggaz! Taking devils heads!"

What you though they meant the red guy with horns...

haha

I knew exactly what they meant.
Like I said, they can believe what they want, it doesnt mean I condone it nor believe it. There are alot of contradictory things Wu Tang says...but that is their words. Most of these rappers are confused and most dont actually practice what they preach.

Wu Tangs fan base is probably made up of more whites than blacks if you observe their popularity in Europe.

TeknicelStylez
12-31-2007, 12:39 AM
Thats the hysterical part, it actually is. Than again what does that say for the white fan base other than, most of them are fanatical about a group and they have no idea what kind of message they are trying to convey.

So than again, why hate Sunny, and love Wu? They both feel the same way.

Kephrem
12-31-2007, 02:28 AM
^^Funny thing is this man - as soon as their agenda is pointed out to be racist and evil -

Whose this ''their'' you're speaking about?


they join teams against the righteous just to prove a point.


You're speaking in cryptic terms here, try to be a little bit more specific.


I have an XML document of Sunny hating on the Bible- Jesus - and Christianity, last but not least -


To my knowledge Sunny has a different take on the Bible. It's obvious that from the MST to the NGE that they have always used it to show how the whiteman is also condemned in it as well. Where the hell you been?


him hating on Kephrem. But now he is Kephrems best buddy since he is in a disagreement with me.

Of course no one sees this but you. Everyone else can see through your weak attempt to try to regain a footing in this thread.


Who says I'm defending any race for their injustices - I clearly stated the law of the Universe will deal with them. If you believe yourself to be God's tool of destruction then - I feel for you.


God can use whatever is neccesary to bring a people down. From natural phenomenon to a people 'ressurcted in militance'. You're so far gone from any knowledge that you can't even understand that God used BOTH to take black and native american people down. (disease, and the caucasian)


Never forget that no matter what. most of us are of mixed blood literally brothers in someway. I have two mixed Caucasian brothers, what your suggesting is I disown them for being their skin color.

My suggestion is that you study harder. There is no such thing as mixed.

Kephrem
12-31-2007, 02:47 AM
Your racist views (no different from what some whites preach)


During the Age of Discovery/Conquest 'whites' had nothing to go by to try and justify racist views except for their misinterpretation of certain scriptures in the Bible. Today they look back at their rape, robbery, murder, indoctrination, and current destructive science that has polluted/destroyed the earth as proof of their superiority.


will never allow you to be taken seriously by anyone besides a hate filled

Hate is just as much part of life as love is. Anyone trying to say something different, asserting that it's all about love all the time is influenced by the occult inspired Satanic One World Order (or straight up Christianity brain wash) shit.

Ecc 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


You preach hatred. End of discussion,

LOL @ end of discussion.

The truth is being spoken. If you think hate (meaning to feel strongly against something) is outside of the truth then you're a prime canidate for the RFID Chip/Mark of the Beast.

hate (v.)
O.E. hatian "to hate," from P.Gmc. *khatojanan (cf. O.S. haton, O.N. hata, Ger. hassen, Goth. hatan "to hate"), from PIE base *kedes- "feel strongly" (cf. Avestan sadra- "grief, sorrow, calamity," Gk. kedos "care, trouble, sorrow," Welsh cas "pain, anger").


This is proof that hate is natural because it's origins go back to feelings of dread, which ironically enough were feelings/emotions unprecidently brought to blacks and native americans with the coming of the whiteman 500 plus years ago.


no matter how eloquently you want to put it or however you attempt to match it up with scripture, it is what it is and always has been. Hate and evil.


Ironically enough the knowledge of God teaches the wise to hate the evil.

Amo 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph

It shows you how much this primed to be chip implanted love babblin simpleton really knows about scripture.

Kephrem
12-31-2007, 03:10 AM
Ziggy Marley - Love is My Religion (Acoustic)

http://www.zshare.net/audio/60423676da6cac/

Not hate


The Marleys pops used to sing songs about ''Babylon throne, thrown down''.. Did you think that was a song of love towards Babylon?

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

Psa 137:8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy [shall he be], that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

Do you know who Babylon represents in the earth today?

Olive Oil Goombah
12-31-2007, 03:32 AM
YOur whole theory is nothing more a generalization of a group of people, in your case, 'white' people being a race of devils is so vague that you cannot even draw a distinct line between what is white and what is non white, and I challenge you to attempt it.

How about giving us a little more background on yourself, and your beliefs instead of trying to place blame on everyone elses.

Kephrem
12-31-2007, 04:11 AM
YOur whole theory is nothing more a generalization of a group of people, in your case, 'white' people being a race of devils

Actually some people classified as 'whites' today are not really of that stock of people according to who their forefathers were. Because today (in North, Central, South America, the Caribean, even other parts of the world) there are people who may look 'white' but who have a black, or native american, or hispanic forefather. As for the rest of you I refer you to diggy's post that explained how the generalization is determined and justified through the reaping of benefits, pride, and your present beliefs.


is so vague that you cannot even draw a distinct line between what is white and what is non white, and I challenge you to attempt it.

The vast majority of those identified as white, or caucasian in North America, those of Spaniard/Portugese forefathers in Latin America, all Europe, Russia, Eastern Europe, Turkey, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are the offspring of ancient Greece and Rome and are the descendents of the ancient middle eastern nation known as the Edomites (the ''red people'', born red i.e. pink, and hairy like caucasians are today - so-called white with that pink/reddish skin because of blood is seen through their non-melanated skin, and hairy in alot of cases). However today within this 'white' classification are those who have a father or forefather who was actually non-white, whose descendent(s) may look white today through decades or in some cases centuries of mixing (think Jeter marrying a white female today, and having sons who marry white females and on and on), or who have distinct or unique features that may be a marker of a past non-white forefather (whether Black, Native American, Asian, etc), or tan better, or have a more different spirit, who are essentialy not of your kind. (being Sicilian though you may be of the latter, Lil Niggy)

TeknicelStylez
12-31-2007, 04:24 AM
I'm Sicilian and Cuban, which normally would make me a descendant of the Spaniards, but my particular bloodline is traced back to the Canary Islands which is off the coast of Morocco.

Which is why I try to tell you crackers that keep trying to categorize me with you, that I'm not white, stop trying to tell me I am.

Kephrem
12-31-2007, 04:33 AM
Cubans were of course colonized by Spaniards. But all Cubans are not Spaniards. Today there are still Cubans of BOTH Native and Black blood. There are Sicilians today who are the descendents of Moors. (whether they know it or not) I met a Sicilian kid and I told him that he could be a brother to the people known as blacks, hispanics, native americans who at one time ruled parts of Europe. I told him white Italians are jealous of real Sicilians, because deep down they know real Sicilians are better then them. I told him his brown complexion skin is one of the reasons I believe this to be true, and he agreed with all that I had to say.

Kephrem
12-31-2007, 04:38 AM
Spain was a melting pot till the Moors were pushed out, along with the Jews who were black/brown people, not caucasian. These ended up in Morocco, and some ended up in the 'New World'.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-31-2007, 01:53 PM
Well, I hate to tell ya, but Im not sicilian. Regardless, you are so far off with all of this. What evidence do you have to back any of it besides your own twisted opinion.

You really did not answer anything. All you did was generalize again.
How do you feel about King David tho, using your philosophy? He was described as 'ruddy' in the Old Testament of the Bible which you so profess to be an expert.

You are the funniest thing i've ever encountered. A native american trying to somehow link himself to all of this. Are you shitting on Aztec and Mayan culture?? What about your people before you were christianized?
What do you know of the Old World? you have no roots there.

Sorry, but you will never trick me with you evil words. Go after easier prey like young prisoners who are slaves to the american system. They are more likely to jump from one master to another. Me.....I'm free. Both mind and spirit.

Kephrem
12-31-2007, 03:09 PM
Well, I hate to tell ya, but Im not sicilian. Regardless, you are so far off with all of this. What evidence do you have to back any of it besides your own twisted opinion.


''So far off'' with what exactly? What evidence for what specifically?

You really did not answer anything. All you did was generalize again.


I didn't ''answer anything'' to what questions? Where did I generalize? Your empty statements are transperent in that they once again don't offer anything of substance to the topic.


How do you feel about King David tho, using your philosophy? He was described as 'ruddy' in the Old Testament of the Bible which you so profess to be an expert.


And? What's your point? David wasn't the color red. LOL @ a king of a middle eastern black people more the 2,000 years ago being the color of Robert Redford.

http://www.speakersla.com/2006-07/images/redford-large.jpg

Ruddy in the context of the relevant scriptures meant young, strong. He was a young black man that had a healthy glow, even perhaps a slight hint of flushed (red) cheeks on his dark brown face.

ENTRY: reudh-
DEFINITION: Red, ruddy. Oldest form *1reudh-.
Derivatives include red, robust, corroborate, ruby, and rubric.

I. O-grade form *roudh-. 1a. red, from Old English rad, red; b. rorqual, from Old Norse raudhr, red. Both a and b from Germanic *raudaz. 2. rowan, from a source akin to Old Norse reynir, mountain ash, rowan (from its red berries), from Germanic *raudnia-. 3. rufescent, rufous, from Latin rfus (of dialectal Italic origin), reddish. 4. rubiginous, from Latin rbus, red. 5. roble, roborant, robust; corroborate, rambunctious, from Latin rbur, rbus, red oak, hardness, and rbustus, strong.
*


A native american trying to somehow link himself to all of this. Are you shitting on Aztec and Mayan culture?? What about your people before you were christianized?

The people who came from Europe wern't Christians. They were the false Christs that the real Christ prophesied would come, and spread lies throughout the world.


What do you know of the Old World? you have no roots there.

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/68/43/23134368.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Aztec+pyramid&gbv=1

http://www.astarte.com.au/assets/images/Zoser_Step_Pyramid.JPG
http://images.google.com/images?gbv=1&svnum=10&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=step+pyramid

I know that in the Old World you wern't shit but a bunch of cave dwellinfg misfits (caucasians) philosephy jacking faggots (Greeks) and murdering faggot cut throats (Romans).

Olive Oil Goombah
12-31-2007, 04:18 PM
Your not religious. Your not wise, your not knowledgable. Your just a man consumed with intense hatred for white/european people. Thats all there is to it.
You cannot refute that your are a hateful, jealous humiliated person. Kephrem is not even your birth name, cuz you cannot stand who you really are.

TeknicelStylez
12-31-2007, 04:42 PM
I just don't understand how you could get angry and attack his character just for posting logical input. He is merely posting information, pictures, and definitions, yet you're infuriated. Why can't you be Civilized (lol).

TeknicelStylez
12-31-2007, 04:44 PM
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/misc/navbits_finallink_ltr.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1009048) Christmas

Satan Claws is coming to town...

http://satanclaws.net/images/1-front.jpg

WARPATH
12-31-2007, 05:02 PM
A native american trying to somehow link himself to all of this. Are you shitting on Aztec and Mayan culture?? What about your people before you were christianized?
What do you know of the Old World?

Answer the question Kemprem. Don't be a coward.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-01-2008, 02:05 PM
He won't...cuz he can't answer this question. He will dance around it.

Kephrem
01-01-2008, 04:03 PM
There has never been a white Christian, ever. The Christians were Israelites, a black/brown middle eastern people.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-01-2008, 04:05 PM
ah, so according to that, your not a christian. do yourself a favor. stop talking.

Kephrem
01-01-2008, 06:32 PM
Everyone comes from the east. Native Amercans (so-called) are a black/brown people. (different shades) Christian means 'Annointed' or 'Chosen'. The Annointed and Chosen ones are the Israelites. The people who inhabited this land didn't come from the Bering Strait, they came from the Middle East. We are what's called the Lost Tribes of Israel.

As for the Berdache Bandit, I already dealt with his homo defending getting hit and split up in the head with pipes puppy consuming glowing red neck fool ass some time back, these links may also help to answer some of Lil Niggys questions.


http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=649623&postcount=81

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=651629&postcount=104

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=651743&postcount=113

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=652036&postcount=119

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=652170&postcount=123

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=652966&postcount=133

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=653579&postcount=137



http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=631826&postcount=96

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=634676&postcount=134

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635166&postcount=159

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635231&postcount=163

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635395&postcount=166

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635416&postcount=167

V4D3R
01-01-2008, 06:42 PM
^^In your head fassy...you never did beat anybody here at anything. All in your own fucking fantasy world. Hate never wins hater.

Kephrem
01-01-2008, 07:17 PM
lol @ 'hate' and 'hater' being insults. You one sorry bitch made clown.

V4D3R
01-01-2008, 07:42 PM
Yes - thats whats wrong with you- you see nothing wrong with being a hater.
You sit there prolly and stare at some dude that has worked to get his shit together - and hate that he does what you can't bring yourself to do. You chose to hate and admitted it. Thanks for clearing it up.

You sit there and blame the white man for your bullshit life - in the world we live in today, you act as if we still slaves. You chose to not be educated or ticketed in a trade. Get a real life. Quit blaming and teaching kids to blame with that book made by hateful people.

No good has come from any of your shit you talk about except give some other fools fuel to blame some shit on. Fucking fall down mothafucka.

Kephrem
01-02-2008, 04:47 AM
Do you really think peoople have failed to notice that you've completly gone away from debating any of the points that were raised?


Yes - thats whats wrong with you- you see nothing wrong with being a hater.

Hate/Love all exists within the universe. I hate muthafuckas like you who can't grasp that the word means to feel strongly against something, even though the definition has been showed to you repeatedly.

You sit there prolly and stare at some dude that has worked to get his shit together - and hate that he does what you can't bring yourself to do.

Stick to the subject and stop trying to divert shit with your bullshit theories.


You chose to hate and admitted it. Thanks for clearing it up.

Straight up devil rhetoric. You'd make a good politician.


You sit there and blame the white man for your bullshit life -

I don't blame your father for anything but his lies, and his going overboard on slavery, which turned into the worst form of slavery on record. I also blame them for rape, and robbery of my people. And for the destructioin of the earth, pollution, etc.


in the world we live in today, you act as if we still slaves.

This cat talks like he already accepted the Mark of Beast. Straight devlishment. You act like you never learned anything from Malcolm, and just about every other man that sought/seeks the liberation, mentally, physically, spiritually of the black brown people of the Americas.


You chose to not be educated or ticketed in a trade. Get a real life.

Stop trying to get me to devulge personal info you serpent.


Quit blaming and teaching kids to blame with that book made by hateful people.

Straight up on some Oprah/After School Special type shit. Shut the Fuck Up.


No good has come from any of your shit you talk about except give some other fools fuel to blame some shit on. Fucking fall down mothafucka.


Do you really think peoople have failed to notice that you've completly gone away from debating any of the points that were raised?

V4D3R
01-02-2008, 11:01 AM
Ramble on fool. I know you'll never shut up. Thats what you do. So keep rambling on fool.

V4D3R
01-02-2008, 11:06 AM
This one I can't let go.
You sit there and blame the white man for your bullshit life - I don't blame your father for anything but his lies, and his going overboard on slavery, which turned into the worst form of slavery on record. I also blame them for rape, and robbery of my people. And for the destructioin of the earth, pollution, etc.


My father did more shit for the Jamaican community in Canada then you can ever imagine doing. Don't talk shit about the deceased you ignorant bible tHumper.

Kephrem
01-02-2008, 11:57 AM
I was talking about your father, the Devil.

You sit there and blame the white man for your bullshit life -


I don't blame your father for anything but his lies, and his going overboard on slavery, which turned into the worst form of slavery on record. I also blame them for rape, and robbery of my people. And for the destructioin of the earth, pollution, etc.


This silly emotional muthafucka couldn't even understand some basic shit like me calling him the whitemans (devils) son because of his (continual) defense of him/them. I was never talking about anyone's physical father you nut ass nigga.

TeknicelStylez
01-02-2008, 12:08 PM
I was talking about your father, the Devil.

Ahahahaha, they are devilish aren't they.

WARPATH
01-03-2008, 11:20 AM
Everyone comes from the east. Native Amercans (so-called) are a black/brown people. (different shades) Christian means 'Annointed' or 'Chosen'. The Annointed and Chosen ones are the Israelites. The people who inhabited this land didn't come from the Bering Strait, they came from the Middle East. We are what's called the Lost Tribes of Israel.

As for the Berdache Bandit, I already dealt with his homo defending getting hit and split up in the head with pipes puppy consuming glowing red neck fool ass some time back, these links may also help to answer some of Lil Niggys questions.


http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=649623&postcount=81

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=651629&postcount=104

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=651743&postcount=113

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=652036&postcount=119

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=652170&postcount=123

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=652966&postcount=133

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=653579&postcount=137



http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=631826&postcount=96

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=634676&postcount=134

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635166&postcount=159

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635231&postcount=163

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635395&postcount=166

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635416&postcount=167

Now I'm just curious. Who was it that implanted this bullshit in your head.

Kephrem
01-03-2008, 11:32 AM
You're not curious. You're just a fool who believes life started in the Dakotas.

WARPATH
01-03-2008, 02:51 PM
You're not curious. You're just a fool who believes life started in the Dakotas.

Let's clarify that-

I believe human origins can be traced back for some in this area.


But you think your better because you believe life started in some cabbage patch in Iraq?



http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Charging_Soldier/3.jpg

SID
01-03-2008, 04:07 PM
Off topic, but i got a question, from what peoples did the Native americans originate from? the aztec or mayan empires?.....iam not quite sure.

LORD NOSE
01-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Off topic, but i got a question, from what peoples did the Native americans originate from? the aztec or mayan empires?.....iam not quite sure.


there were thousands of other types of Natives here
Most got wipe out by a disease called caucasian

Black Man
01-03-2008, 04:16 PM
Off topic, but i got a question, from what peoples did the Native americans originate from? the aztec or mayan empires?.....iam not quite sure.

neither

V4D3R
01-03-2008, 05:02 PM
Let's clarify that-

I believe human origins can be traced back for some in this area.


But you think your better because you believe life started in some cabbage patch in Iraq?



http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Charging_Soldier/3.jpg
The problem is - so much truth is dead and buried or made to be of convenience to victors of war or conquistadors. They don't understand that the Native American is the least capable of humans beings to lie. And that our oral traditions have not changed since the beginning. But truth is slowly coming back to the surface, and the truth will be out there one day that life here in on Turtle Island - stretches beyond there miscalculations.

V4D3R
01-03-2008, 05:10 PM
You're not curious. You're just a fool who believes life started in the Dakotas.
Your issue Kephrem is you are a dying species of old that is conservative to what you have been indoctrinated with. You call out others - get abusive when shit doesnt fit your theories. You refuse to see the bigger picture with your tunnel vision. You refuse to try to fit things together that logically do fit together. You are incapable of adapting to change and rebel against any new/different theory to your own and cry like a baby and start quoting the bible and stomping your feet.


Call people all the names you want - it shows your immaturity and your radical motivations to FORCE FEED PEOPLE YOUR GARBAGE.

This is the last time I'm going to address you in here because you and your minions are a waste of time and slow down progress.

WARPATH
01-03-2008, 05:36 PM
The problem is - so much truth is dead and buried or made to be of convenience to victors of war or conquistadors. They don't understand that the Native American is the least capable of humans beings to lie. And that our oral traditions have not changed since the beginning. But truth is slowly coming back to the surface, and the truth will be out there one day that life here in on Turtle Island - stretches beyond there miscalculations.


To be fair:

I don't disagree with the premise that life started in some garden like the bible states.

But to try and tell someone else where they come from is just ridiculous.

So Kemprem say he's an Isrealite. That's cool I'm still wandering who told him he was Isrealite.

As far as oral traditions go, people don't seem to understand that this is and was our school. This is how we- I learned about history and my sources are honest(besides that I attended school just like everyone else). Our ancestors sat in the wilderness of north America, building with some the strongest minds.

Yet- because our sources don't have pretty little pieces of paper that says their brilliant, it's hard to get people to respect that.

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Kemprem I think you fail to realize that there were people on this continent already. We didn't sit around and philosophize about the return of Jesus until after the white missionaries started spreading Christianity- and ultimately lead up to one the bloodiest chapters in America's history (see my wounded knee massacre thread). We had our own interpreters (prophets) our own miracle workers, and our own history. We have our own relationship with the creator. I advise you to research that history.

Kephrem
01-03-2008, 06:07 PM
Your issue Kephrem is you are a dying species of old


Actually there are more people of color (blacks, hispanics) accepting that the people of the old world were of color, and builders of great civilizations then ever before. In other words more people acknowledge that Christ, and the Hebrews were black/brown people and that someone has been lying.


that is conservative to what you have been indoctrinated with. You call out others - get abusive when shit doesnt fit your theories.

lol @ abusive. Cats is straight up on some feminine shit in 2008.

And what ''theories'' would you be speaking about?


You refuse to see the bigger picture with your tunnel vision.

More empty statements. Is your ''bigger picture'' that One World Order love is the answer to everything shit you been pushing?


You refuse to try to fit things together that logically do fit together.

More empty statements.


You are incapable of adapting to change

Assumption. Talking out your ass. The change you apparently made was from bad to worse. From a simple ass cat to now the devils advocate.


and rebel against any new/different theory to your own

Stop speaking cryptically and for once attempt to engage me with some facts/informatiom/knowledge when I make a point that you disagee with, or just fall the fuck back.


and cry like a baby and start quoting the bible and stomping your feet.

What's the topic again?

Call people all the names you want - it shows your immaturity

Smh. I would like this cat to show me one great leader who never called their enemies/opponents ''names''.


and your radical motivations to FORCE FEED PEOPLE YOUR GARBAGE.

Since when is 'radical' something bad?

radical
1398 (adj.), in a medieval philosophical sense, from L.L. radicalis "of or having roots," from L. radix (gen. radicis) "root" (see radish). Meaning "going to the origin, essential" is from 1651. Political sense of "reformist" (via notion of "change from the roots")

This is the last time I'm going to address you in here because you and your minions are a waste of time and slow down progress.


attempt to engage me with some facts/informatiom/knowledge when I make a point that you disagee with, or just fall the fuck back.

V4D3R
01-03-2008, 06:28 PM
Your pretty good at spinning what somebody writes in your replies. But do you think anybody actually sits there and reads all your posts like that. I'm positive that many are tired of your antiques. Quit saying I'm trying to support this "One World Order".

Imbecile.

attempt to engage me with some facts/informatiom/knowledge when I make a point that you disagee with, or just fall the fuck back.

Coming from somebody that uses Bible quotes - and does not bring facts - thats some formless meaningless rant. Why do you insist on continuing? Your to monotheistic to even come at me with anything peon. You insist on calling me simple. Look in the mirror fool, you bring nothing but your "One Book View".

You are a false prophet - using that book to make it's words be of convenience to your cause. To try to tell us that Native Americans came from Israel. Thats your doctrine. That UPK programmed in you. I don't sit here and argue "my way or the highway" like you. I like to discuss openly with an open mind.

You tend to get hostile when your tunnel vision theories gets ripped up by Sound Scientific Evidence or when other writings besides your dear King James Version of the bible is not involved.

Say what you want to say. I wont be so simple anymore you stupid ass White-Cloak Crusader.

Kephrem
01-03-2008, 06:32 PM
Kemprem I think you fail to realize that there were people on this continent already. We didn't sit around and philosophize about the return of Jesus until after the white missionaries started spreading Christianity-

Straw man. Who was arguing that natives were waiting for some shit that's around 1600 years old?

And are you seriously saying that there's no beliefs/prophecys of the 'gods' coming back one day?



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It is interesting to note that http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0e94dfd76d.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) also appeared in pre-Columbian America.

In Uxmal, Central America, a plaited hexagram is found on a cliff engraving from around 1000 A.D. It has a "trailing" or "hanging" element, , under it, similar to structures used in the Phoenician cultural sphere around the Mediterranean during antiquity.

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/27/2722.html

Kephrem
01-03-2008, 06:42 PM
Your pretty good at spinning what somebody writes in your replies. But do you think anybody actually sits there and reads all your posts like that. I'm positive that many are tired of your antiques. Quit saying I'm trying to support this "One World Order".

Imbecile.

LMAO. The irony..



Coming from somebody that uses Bible quotes - and does not bring facts - thats some formless meaningless rant. Why do you insist on continuing? Your to monotheistic to even come at me with anything peon. You insist on calling me simple. Look in the mirror fool, you bring nothing but your "One Book View".

You are a false prophet - using that book to make it's words be of convenience to your cause. To try to tell us that Native Americans came from Israel. Thats your doctrine. That UPK programmed in you. I don't sit here and argue "my way or the highway" like you. I like to discuss openly with an open mind.

You tend to get hostile when your tunnel vision theories gets ripped up by Sound Scientific Evidence or when other writings besides your dear King James Version of the bible is not involved.

Say what you want to say. I wont be so simple anymore you stupid ass White-Cloak Crusader.



[QUOTE]What's the topic again?[QUOTE]

V4D3R
01-03-2008, 06:52 PM
Straw man. Who was arguing that natives were waiting for some shit that's around 1600 years old?

And are you seriously saying that there's no beliefs/prophecys of the 'gods' coming back one day?



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It is interesting to note that http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0e94dfd76d.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) also appeared in pre-Columbian America.

In Uxmal, Central America, a plaited hexagram is found on a cliff engraving from around 1000 A.D. It has a "trailing" or "hanging" element, , under it, similar to structures used in the Phoenician cultural sphere around the Mediterranean during antiquity.

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/27/2722.html
Now thats what I want to see more of Kephrem. Facts/evidence.
Do you have a picture of this?

Kephrem
01-03-2008, 07:05 PM
Fuck outta here.

V4D3R
01-03-2008, 07:09 PM
Fuck outta here.
So you cant provide a picture of this.

Kephrem
01-03-2008, 08:16 PM
I don't cast pearls before swine. You already have the information why don't you go dig for it yourself? The nerve of this nigga.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-03-2008, 10:36 PM
^LOL...what a fuckin mook.

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 12:14 AM
Lil Niggy don't forget that your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother was probably fucked by a mook and started your bloodline.

WARPATH
01-04-2008, 11:10 AM
Straw man. Who was arguing that natives were waiting for some shit that's around 1600 years old?

And are you seriously saying that there's no beliefs/prophecys of the 'gods' coming back one day?



---------------------------

It is interesting to note that http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0e94dfd76d.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) also appeared in pre-Columbian America.

In Uxmal, Central America, a plaited hexagram is found on a cliff engraving from around 1000 A.D. It has a "trailing" or "hanging" element, , under it, similar to structures used in the Phoenician cultural sphere around the Mediterranean during antiquity.

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/27/2722.html

That's deep. I can show you some other interesting symbols:

Designs and symbols used in the Southwest actually have come from many places. Some design elements emerge out of the nature of the craft. The warp and weft of baskets or blankets produce a preponderance of geometrics, stars, swastikas and whirlwind designs. One of the most controversial of Native American designs is the swastika.
http://nhcs.k12.in.us/staff/pbortka/nativeamerican/fa040_01.gif
While the swastika immediately brings to mind Nazi Germany, it is not only a native Southwestern design, it can be called a native design almost anywhere in the world. It is the result of basket weaving where the ends of a simple cross design are turned either to the right or left, depending on the direction of the weaving, to form a swastika. Its meanings are as diverse as its worldwide origins.
Other designs also have been introduced with the technology of a craft. For example, a host of designs appear in metal dies which were derived from much older stamps used to decorate leather.


Now are you going to tell me Hitler infiltrated the south west?

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 11:29 AM
That's deep. I can show you some other interesting symbols:



Now are you going to tell me Hitler infiltrated the south west?


LMAO.


Good job exposing your ignorance of the ancient. But anyway refer to my post in Black Man's ''Knowing Every Square Inch'' thread.

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 11:34 AM
After you check that thread out come back and expalin this:

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/beeedf8c1e.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/f97353302b.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

And this is not even scratching the surface.

WARPATH
01-04-2008, 11:52 AM
I read it.

Are you saying basket weaving has something to do with black Bhudda?

That's deep.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-04-2008, 12:06 PM
Lil Niggy don't forget that your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother was probably fucked by a mook and started your bloodline.

LMAO...you don't even know what a mook is. Nice try genius. Even so, I bet you get on your knees and pray to white Jesus every night that your ancestors fucked around with moors.

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 12:23 PM
I read it.

Are you saying basket weaving has something to do with black Bhudda?

That's deep.


Was your point there no deeper then basket weaving? How weak.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-04-2008, 12:32 PM
Kephrem, you need to study harder. You are getting smashed in this debate.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-04-2008, 12:34 PM
Lil Niggy don't forget that your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother was probably fucked by a mook and started your bloodline.

By the way, it has become clear to me now. You are just jealous of my bloodlines that connect me to Africa. You wish you had them.

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 12:45 PM
And lol @ this cat missing the obvious, that I was alluding to the old and 'new' world being at one time not foreign to eachother.

Try to keep up with the flow of the thread and stop playing stupid.


Originally posted by Kephrem

It is interesting to note that http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b2cc298c32.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) also appeared in pre-Columbian America.

In Uxmal, Central America, a plaited hexagram is found on a cliff engraving from around 1000 A.D. It has a "trailing" or "hanging" element, , under it, similar to structures used in the Phoenician cultural sphere around the Mediterranean during antiquity.

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/27/2722.html



Originally posted by CS

That's deep. I can show you some other interesting symbols:



Designs and symbols used in the Southwest actually have come from many places. Some design elements emerge out of the nature of the craft. The warp and weft of baskets or blankets produce a preponderance of geometrics, stars, swastikas and whirlwind designs. One of the most controversial of Native American designs is the swastika.

http://nhcs.k12.in.us/staff/pbortka/nativeamerican/fa040_01.gif

While the swastika immediately brings to mind Nazi Germany, it is not only a native Southwestern design, it can be called a native design almost anywhere in the world. It is the result of basket weaving where the ends of a simple cross design are turned either to the right or left, depending on the direction of the weaving, to form a swastika. Its meanings are as diverse as its worldwide origins.

Other designs also have been introduced with the technology of a craft. For example, a host of designs appear in metal dies which were derived from much older stamps used to decorate leather.

Now are you going to tell me Hitler infiltrated the south west?

That symbol did NOT originate with Hitler. Just admit to your ignorance and keep it moving.


Originally posted by Kephrem

LMAO.


Good job exposing your ignorance of the ancient. But anyway refer to my post in Black Man's ''Knowing Every Square Inch'' thread.

Then after you check that thread out come back and expalin this:

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/beeedf8c1e.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/f97353302b.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

And this is not even scratching the surface.


Originally posted by CS

I read it.

Are you saying basket weaving has something to do with black Bhudda?

That's deep.


Originally posted by Kephrem

Was your point there no deeper then basket weaving? How weak.



And lol @ this cat missing the obvious, that I was alluding to the old and 'new' world at one time being not foreign to eachother.

Try to keep up with the flow of the thread and stop playing stupid.

WARPATH
01-04-2008, 01:08 PM
Was your point there no deeper then basket weaving? How weak.

My point was just because some things are similar doesn't mean they have any direct relationship with each other. Symbols are universal and mean different things depending on the culture and the context they're viewed in. Your coming from a biblical stance so your interpretation of these symbols will differ from someone of a non biblical stance.

I never made any other claims besides that.

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 01:25 PM
My point was just because some things are similar doesn't mean they have any direct relationship with each other.

The fact that you can dismiss pyramids, swastikas, and hexagrams as just coincidence (which are only a small fraction of similarities that I've brought up) only speaks to your willingness to remain ignorant that the ancient world was not as has been generally taught.


Symbols are universal and mean different things depending on the culture and the context they're viewed in.

They may be universal now but at one time they had a common origin. Do you still believe the New World was foreign to everyone before 500 years ago?

Your coming from a biblical stance

I'm coming from a truth stance. My last few posts didn't even mention the Bible. I would ask you to refrain from any Straw Man arguement.


so your interpretation of these symbols will differ from someone of a non biblical stance.

See above.

WARPATH
01-04-2008, 01:39 PM
The fact that you can dismiss pyramids, swastikas, and hexagrams as just coincidence (which are only a small fraction of similarities that I've brought up) only speaks to your willingness to remain ignorant that the ancient world was not as has been generally taught.

I never dismissed pyramids as just a coincidence nor have I ever claimed that I had any extensive knowledge on the topic of pyramids. I'm patiently waiting for some South and Central Natives Americans with real knowledge on the topic to bless us in KTL.


They may be universal now but at one time they had a common origin. Do you still believe the New World was foreign to everyone before 500 years ago?


No, I never claimed that the "new world" was foreign to everyone before 500 years ago. As far as a common origin goes, it remains to be seen which symbols originated in the same context.


I'm coming from a truth stance. My last few posts didn't even mention the Bible. I would ask you to refrain from any Straw Man arguement.

Then why do you continue to deny the different cultures that inhabited western hemisphere as not being original to this side of the planet?

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 01:44 PM
I never said that we're not original to this side (its first inhabitants), my point has always been that we are original on the other side as well.

WARPATH
01-04-2008, 02:44 PM
I never said that we're not original to this side (its first inhabitants), my point has always been that we are original on the other side as well.

I never did disagree with any of those notions.

My stance has always been that humans originated on this continent. I've never claimed that humans didn't originate else where.

Excavations in 1971 directly under the Pyramid of the Sun revealed a tunnel-like cave, ending in a cloverleaf-shaped set of chambers, apparently the scene of numerous ancient fire and water rituals. This cave may have been a "place of emergence"—the "womb" from which the first humans came into the world in central Mexican thought.

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/teot2/hd_teot2.htm

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 03:08 PM
My stance has always been that humans originated on this continent. I've never claimed that humans didn't originate else where.

Listen people didn't appear on earth indepenedtly of eachother. Also you've contradicted yourself there. As for the article, it's talking about something that the Aztecs believed in symbolically. No one popped out of no damn cave to inhabit the earth. A cave in this context represents darkness. Darkness the universe.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-04-2008, 03:19 PM
^bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Olive Oil Goombah
01-04-2008, 03:21 PM
I love the new avatar keph....trying to get in touch with your roots? LOL. I gotta admit, you make me laugh every day. You should be an entertainer or something. You and Michael Richards.

WARPATH
01-04-2008, 03:44 PM
Listen people didn't appear on earth indepenedtly of eachother. Also you've contradicted yourself there. As for the article, it's talking about something that the Aztecs believed in symbolically. No one popped out of no damn cave to inhabit the earth. A cave in this context represents darkness. Darkness the universe.

How did I contradict myself?

What evidence do you have that people didn't appear independent of each other?

As for the article- the article explains the chamber under the pyramid in the context of "central (indigenous peoples)Mexican thought."

Are you upset because I was able to to offer a theory that corroborates with the Lakota creation story of human emerging from wind cave?

If you have a better explanation please share.

and

You asked me for source one time, about native americans that eat puppies, but I didn't take the time to give you one:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Charging_Soldier/hass2140.jpg

It's a decent book with minimal bullshit, -standard issued text in universities across the country, I suggest you pick it up and other books like it.

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 05:38 PM
How did I contradict myself?

What evidence do you have that people didn't appear independent of each other?

This doesn't even deserve a response. But tell us, do you subscribe to the theory of evolution?

As for the article- the article explains the chamber under the pyramid in the context of "central (indigenous peoples)Mexican thought."

Are you upset because I was able to to offer a theory that corroborates with the Lakota creation story of human emerging from wind cave?

If you have a better explanation please share.

Ok, so in other words these ancient great advanced people spoke in literal exoteric terms all the time. I got you.

lol @ master astronmers emerging from a cave. I always thought the Aztecs believed they were formed of maize and earth. Good job interpreting creation stories just like the European.





and

You asked me for source one time, about native americans that eat puppies, but I didn't take the time to give you one:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Charging_Soldier/hass2140.jpg

It's a decent book with minimal bullshit, -standard issued text in universities across the country, I suggest you pick it up and other books like it.


Take that shit and shove it up your ass.

WARPATH
01-04-2008, 05:50 PM
This doesn't even deserve a response. But tell us, do you subscribe to the theory of evolution?

I noticed you try and avoid the questions you can't answer instead of admitting you can't answer them.

and

No, I don't subscribe to the theory of evolution.


Ok, so in other words these ancient great advanced people spoke in literal exoteric terms all the time. I got you.


Exoteric? Don't try and use words when you don't know what they mean, or at least try and get the spelling correct.

lol @ master astronmers emerging from a cave. I always thought the Aztecs believed they were formed of maize and earth. Good job interpreting creation stories just like the European.


According to some historians the Aztecs didn't move into the area until after the pyramids were built.

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 06:09 PM
I noticed you try and avoid the questions you can't answer instead of admitting you can't answer them.

I'm avoiding a foolish question.

and

No, I don't subscribe to the theory of evolution.

So where did the Natives of the Americas come from since they appeared on earth (according to you) independently from all those people in the eastern part of the world?


Exoteric? Don't try and use words when you don't know what they mean, or at least try and get the spelling correct.

LMAO..


According to some historians the Aztecs didn't move into the area until after the pyramids were built.


Yet another great quote from this cat, to go along with his puppy eating advocacy, and his cave originating exoteric (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exoteric) view of native creation stories.

.

WARPATH
01-04-2008, 06:15 PM
So where did the Natives of the Americas come from since they appeared on earth (according to you) independently from all those people in the eastern part of the world?


Now if I had answers like that I wouldn't have any reason to be on message board trying to find out what other people know.

Kephrem
01-04-2008, 06:27 PM
There seems to be a bit of controversy surrounding this Luis de Torres character and the real reason why he was taken with Columbus on his first voyage.

Luis de Torres

Luis de Torres (died 1493), perhaps born as ???? ?? ???? ?????, Yosef Ben Ha Levy Haivri , ("Joseph the Son of Levy the Hebrew") was Christopher Columbus's interpreter on his first voyage and the first person of Jewish origin to settle in the New World.

While still a Jew, de Torres served as an interpreter to the governor of Murcia due to his knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic. In order to avoid the expulsion edict against the Jews of Spain, de Torres converted to Catholicism shortly before the departure of Columbus’s expedition. Columbus hoped that the interpreter's skills would be useful in Asia because they would enable him to communicate with local Jewish traders, and he may also have believed that he would find descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.


Communicate with Jewish traders in Asia? lol. As if that's truly where Columbus was trying to reach.


After arriving at Cuba, which he supposed to be the Asian coast, Columbus sent de Torres and the sailor Rodrigo de Jerez for an expedition inland on November 2, 1492. Their task was to explore the country, to contact its ruler and to gather information about the Asian emperor described by Marco Polo as the "Great Khan". The two men were received with great honours in an Indian village, from where they returned four days later. They did report on the native custom of drying leaves, inserting them in cane pipes, burning them, and inhaling the smoke: the first European encounter with tobacco.

When Columbus set off for Spain on January 4, 1493, Luis de Torres was among the 39 men who stayed behind at the settlement of La Navidad founded on the island of Hispaniola. Coming back by the end of that year, Columbus learnt that the whole garrison had been wiped out by internal strife and by an Indian attack, which had occurred in retaliation to the Spaniards' abducting native women. The Indians remembered that one of the settlers had spoken “offensively and disparagingly” about the Catholic faith, trying to dissuade anybody from adopting it. According to Gould, this man may well have been de Torres, who had probably not converted voluntarily.

On September 22, 1508, de Torres’s widow Catalina Sánchez, living then in Moguer (Andalusia), received a grant from the Spanish treasury in recompense for the services of her deceased husband.


Legends

The Luis de Torres Synagogue in Freeport, Bahamas is named after Luis de Torres, and there is a great amount of unwarranted traditions on his life. The most wide-spread one, which can be found in the Encyclopedia Judaica and similar reference books, affirms that he became in his latter days a wealthy and honoured landowner in the West Indies. This version goes back to Meyer Kayserling’s book Christopher Columbus and the participation of the Jews in the Spanish and Portuguese discoveries (1894). In fact, Kayserling confused de Torres with another Spanish explorer who in 1514 was granted an estate and Indian slaves in Cuba.

The story of de Torres addressing an Indian crowd, who sometimes smoked tobacco through their noses, in Hebrew after Columbus's first landfall on San Salvador is a product of novelists' imagination. De Torres is also believed to have discovered the turkey and named it after the Hebrew tukki (parrot) of the Bible. Still another legend has him return to Spain and smoke tobacco there, which led to his being accused for witchcraft by the Inquisition.

Without mentioning de Torres's Jewish origins, some Islamic websites have claimed the participation of “an Arabic-speaking Spaniard” in Columbus's Atlantic crossing as a proof for the antiquity of Arab American history. The legendary San Salvador speech is said here to have taken place in Arabic. These conjectures have been given credentials in an article by Phyllis McIntosh in the U. S. State Department’s publication Washington File (August 23, 2004): “It is likely that Christopher Columbus, who discovered America in 1492, charted his way across the Atlantic Ocean with the help of an Arab navigator.”