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V4D3R
12-25-2007, 12:13 AM
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/21/02021.html


A Pre-Historic Nuclear War? Reflections on Worlds Before Our Own


by Brad Steiger
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/21/images/ancient_city_bomb.jpg Cataclysmic changes in the Earth's crust.
I find myself now in the seventh decade of life still asking two questions that in one way or another the great majority of my 165 published books have sought to answer: 1.) Who are we as a species? 2.) What is our destiny?
The basic reason that I wrote Worlds Before Our Own (G.P. Putnam‘s Sons, 1978; Anomalist Books, 2007) is that I have always found it incredible that such sophisticated people as we judge ourselves to be, do not really know who we are.
Archaeologists, anthropologists, and various academicians who play the "origins of Man" game, reluctantly and only occasionally acknowledge instances where unique skeletal and cultural evidence from the prehistoric record suddenly appear long before they should -- and in places where they should not. These irritating artifacts destroy the orderly evolutionary line that academia has for so long presented to the public. Consequently, such data have been largely left buried in site reports, forgotten storage rooms, and dusty archives where one suspects that there is a great deal of suppressed, ignored, and misplaced pre-historical cultural evidence that would alter the established interpretations of human origins and provide us with a much clearer definition of what it means to be human.
There is now a basic academic consensus that the "homo" lineage goes back at least three million years, and that an ancestor of modern man evolved about one million years ago. Homo Sapiens, the "thinking man," (our own species), became the dominant planetary life form on a worldwide basis, about 40,000 years ago.
It is difficult enough to explain the sudden appearance of Homo Sapiens at that time, but it is an even more complex question to ponder why Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon man correspondingly disappeared. And academic warfare rages unceasingly over whether or not Neanderthal and our ancestors were two separate species or whether they interbred.
And just as scientists are adding to a growing body of evidence that humankind developed in Africa, a Hungarian excavation surrenders a Homo Sapiens skull fragment in a context more than 600,000 years out of alignment with the accepted calendar of man's migrations across the planet. Hominid fossils are unearthed in Dmanisi, Georgia, indicative of 1.77 million years old; and a homind tooth found in Niocene deposits near the Maritsa River in Bulgaria is dated at seven million years old.
What happens to Darwinian evolution when there are such sites as the one in Australia, which yielded Homo Sapiens (modern man), Homo erectus (our million-year-old ancestor), and Neanderthal (our Stone Age cousin) in what appears to be a contemporaneous environment? Then there is the Tabun site where Homo Sapiens fragments were found in strata below (which means older than) classic Neanderthal bones. In August 2007, scientists dating fossils found in Kenya challenged the conventional view that Homo Habilis (1.44 million years) and Homo erectus (1.55 million years) evolved one after the other. Dating of new fossil evidence revealed that the two species lived side by side in Africa for almost half a million years.
Somewhere, in what would appear to be a biological and cultural free-for-all, there must lie the answer to that most important question: Who are we?
But just as we are trying our best to fit skeletal fragments together in a manner that will be found acceptable to what we believe we know about our origins, footprints are being found in stone, which, if they are what they appear to be, will make a total shambles of our accepted evolutionary calendar. In Pershing County, Nevada, a shoe print was found in Triassic limestone, strata indicative of 400 million years, in which the fossilized evidence clearly revealed finely wrought double-stitching in the seams.
Early in 1975, Dr. Stanley Rhine of the University of New Mexico announced his discovery of human-like footprints in strata indicative of 40 million years old. A few months before, a similar find was made in Kenton, Oklahoma. At almost the same time, a discovery of a footprint in stone was revealed in north-central Wisconsin.
In Death Valley, there is ample fossil and skeletal evidence to indicate that the desolate area was once a tropical Garden of Eden where a race of giants lived and fed themselves with palatable foods taken from the local lakes and forests.
To speak of a race of prehistoric giants in what is now the desert sands of Death Valley is simultaneously to refute the doctrine which decrees that man is a relative newcomer to the North and South American continents. While on the one hand, new radiocarbon dates demonstrate that the Bering Land Bridge and Cordilleran Ice Corridor were not passable until 9000 years ago, an increasing amount of physical evidence indicates that man was surely in this hemisphere much earlier than that recent date.
For one thing, corn, an American contribution to the dinner tables of the world, is said to be, at 9000 years, our oldest domesticated seed crop. Some agriculturist had to be in the Americas more than 9000 years ago in order to domesticate the seed. Ancient squash seeds, peanuts, and cotton balls dated at 8,500 years old found in Peru’s Nanchoc Valley constitute additional evidence that New World farming was well established. Conclusive proof that such ancient farmers did exist in the Americas was offered when a Humble Oil Company drill brought up Mexican corn pollen that was more than 80,000 years old.
The anomalous Indian blood seration and dentition, and the geographic distribution of the American Indian, demands an impossible genetic time scale in which to transform Asiatic immigrants to distinctive New World inhabitants.
Even if we attempt to keep some kind of peace with the accepted theories of New World habitation, we must grant more evolution in 40,000 years in North America than that which took place in more than one million years in Europe, Africa, and Asia.
Skulls found in California, which are clearly those of American Indians, have been dated at 50,000 years old. But we are left with another mystery. A 140,000 year old American Indian type skull (via metric analysis) has been found at an Iranian excavation site.
What of the lost Amerindian civilization of Cahokia, complete with pyramids and a great wall? One site, near the present city of St. Louis, may have contained a metropolis of more than 250,000 North American Indians.
And who constructed the mysterious seven-mile walls of the Berkeley and Oakland, California, hills?
And which pre-Mayan peoples engineered an elaborate waterworks in Yucatan to irrigate crops over 2000 years ago?
The Caracol Tower at Chichen Itza is a remarkable Mesoamerican observatory that seems to have correlated its findings with similar sites in North America, including Mesa Verde, Wichita, and Chaco Canyon.
One of the most heretical theories that I suggest in Worlds Before Our Own is that the cradle of civilization might possibly have traveled from the so-called New World to the Old. Now, in December 2007, years after Ruth Shady Solis found the ancient city of Caral, Peru, scientists have accepted the carbon dating of 2,627 B.C.E., thereby establishing the civilization in South America to be much older than the Harappa Valley towns and the pyramids of Egypt. Caral must now be recognized as “the mother of all civilizations,” the missing link of archaeology, the Mother City.
Scientific knowledge has seemingly been prized by the inhabitants of every culture, known and unknown. Rock engravings, which may be as old as 60 million years, depict in step-by-step illustrations an entire heart-transplant operation and a Cesarean section. The ancient Egyptians used the equivalent of contraceptive jelly and had urine pregnancy tests. The cement used in filling Mayan dental cavities still holds after 1500 years.
No fabric is supposed to have been found until Egypt produced cloth material 5000 years ago. How, then, can we deal with the Russian site which provides spindle whorls and patterned fabric designs more than 80,000 years old?
Not only did the ancient Babylonians appear to use sulphur matches, but they had a technology sophisticated enough to employ complex electrochemical battery cells with wiring. There is also evidence of electric batteries and electrolysis in ancient Egypt, India, and Swahililand.
Remains of a metal-working factory of over 200 furnaces was found at what is now Medzamor in Russian Armenia. Although a temperature of over 1780 degrees is required to melt platinum, some pre-Incan peoples in Peru were making objects of the metal. Even today the process of extracting aluminium from bauxite is a complicated procedure, but Chou Chu, famous general of the Tsin era (265-316 A.D.), was interred with aluminium belt fasteners on his burial costume.
Carved bones, chalk, stones, together with what would appear to be greatly ornamented ''coins," have been brought up from great depths during well-drilling operations. A strange, imprinted slab was found in a coal mine. The artefact was decorated with diamond-shaped squares with the face of an old man in each ''box." In another coal-mine discovery, miners found smooth, polished concrete blocks which formed a solid wall. According to one miner's testimony. he chipped one block open only to find the standard mixture of sand and cement that makes up most typical building blocks of today.
A gold necklace was found embedded in a lump of coal. A metal spike was discovered in a silver mine in Peru. An iron implement was found in a Scottish coal-bed. Estimated to be millions of years older than man is believed to have existed. A metal, bell-shaped vessel, inlaid with a silver floral design was blasted out of solid rock near Dorchester, Massachusetts.
Two hypotheses may explain the presence of these perplexing artifacts: 1) that they were manufactured by an advanced civilization on Earth which, due either to natural or technological catastrophe, was destroyed before our world's own genesis; 2) that they are vestiges of a highly technological civilization of extraterrestrial origin, which visited this planet millions of years ago, leaving behind various artifacts.
Even if a highly advanced extraterrestrial race might have visited this planet in prehistoric times, it seems unlikely such common, everyday items as nails, necklaces, buckles and vases would have been carried aboard a spacecraft deposited in such widely separated areas; for such artifacts have been found in North and South America, Great Britain, the whole of Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Mid-East.
In spite of the general unpopularity of catastrophism, there does seem to be a number of recently discovered "proofs" of ancient cataclysmic changes in the Earth's crust which may account for the nearly total disappearance of these prehistoric worlds. Geological evidence indicates that these changes were both sudden and drastic might have completely overwhelmed and destroyed the early inhabitants and their cultures.
Perhaps the most potentially mind-boggling evidence of an advanced prehistoric technology that might have blown its parent-culture away is to be found in those sites which ostensibly bear mute evidence of prehistoric nuclear warfare.
Large areas of fused green glass and vitrified cities have been found deep in the strata of archaeological digs at Pierrelatte in Gabon, Africa; the Euphrates Valley; the Sahara Desert; the Gobi Desert; Iraq; the Mojave Desert; Scotland; the Old and Middle Kingdoms of Egypt; and south-central Turkey. In contemporary times, such material as fused green glass has only been known at nuclear testing sites (where the sand had melted to form the substance). It is quite unsettling to some to consider it possible that these sites provide evidence of a prehistoric nuclear war. At the same time, scientists have found a number of uranium deposits that appear to have been mined or depleted in antiquity.
If it is possible that nuclear annihilation of a global civilization did occur in prehistoric times, it seems even more urgent to learn who we really are before we find ourselves doomed to repeat the lessons left to us, by a world before our own.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-25-2007, 12:38 AM
Or possibly a large Meteor? There are many craters. WOuld they create effects similar to a nuclear war? Possibly worse?

V4D3R
12-25-2007, 12:52 AM
^I'm not sure about that, but the Desert glass of the Sahara - is chronicled in a story (auto-biography) from the ancient Sumerian diety Enki.

His last words in that text were (Translated by Zecharia Sitchin):

"At the end of days a Day of Judgment there shall be.
The Earth shall quake and the rivers change course,
and there shall be a darkness at noon and
a fire in the heavens in the night,
the day of the returning celestial god
[Nibiru, the far-orbiting 10th planet of our solar system] will it be.

And who shall survive and who shall perish,
who shall be rewarded and who will be punished,
gods and men alike,
on that day it shall be discovered;

For what shall come to pass by what had passed
shall be determined; and what was destined
shall in a cycle be repeated,
and what was fated and only by the heart's will
occurring for good or ill shall for judgment come.

The record read, the Past remembered,
the Future as prophesy understand,
Let the Future of the Past the judgment be!'
These are the words of Enki, Firstborn of Anu of Nibiru"

Olive Oil Goombah
12-25-2007, 02:48 PM
Nibiru is supposed to pass again when? 2012? If it is near that date than, that is the date the Bible code predicted correct?

WARPATH
12-26-2007, 01:29 PM
But just as we are trying our best to fit skeletal fragments together in a manner that will be found acceptable to what we believe we know about our origins, footprints are being found in stone, which, if they are what they appear to be, will make a total shambles of our accepted evolutionary calendar. In Pershing County, Nevada, a shoe print was found in Triassic limestone, strata indicative of 400 million years, in which the fossilized evidence clearly revealed finely wrought double-stitching in the seams.
To speak of a race of prehistoric giants in what is now the desert sands of Death Valley is simultaneously to refute the doctrine which decrees that man is a relative newcomer to the North and South American continents. While on the one hand, new radiocarbon dates demonstrate that the Bering Land Bridge and Cordilleran Ice Corridor were not passable until 9000 years ago, an increasing amount of physical evidence indicates that man was surely in this hemisphere much earlier than that recent date.
The anomalous Indian blood seration and dentition, and the geographic distribution of the American Indian, demands an impossible genetic time scale in which to transform Asiatic immigrants to distinctive New World inhabitants.

One of my college instructors was relaying some of this information. What are people going to do when we're starting to be taught this stuff, instead of it being written off as pseudo-science?

Koolish
12-28-2007, 03:47 PM
^debate it for a while, get really pissed off, then call it pseudo science again.

V4D3R
12-28-2007, 05:40 PM
^^You cant debate facts

Guarded By Martyrs
12-29-2007, 12:12 AM
Props V4D3R

EAGLE EYE
12-29-2007, 01:03 AM
a source?



Just think about that for a minute.












A source.. A source? Sources solve things right? The source is always right? Sources are magical.

Koolish
12-29-2007, 09:29 AM
no one uses them though, from these essays to pretty much every poster in the KTL.

without a source though that does not change this article from being an interesting perspective on some thoughts of human nature. i mean, the idea of a cycle of life that once ended similarly to how we believe our own will end (nuclear war) is intriguing, if you could hypothesize that this was true it makes the purpose of life here a very different question.

but it should not be treated as the deadly truth without sources/footnotes.

WARPATH
12-31-2007, 03:43 PM
Here's some more informaiton on the footprint thing on the web.

http://www.subversiveelement.com/FossilizedHumanFootprints.html

http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/2621.html

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/nevada.htm


I suppose if I had access to some sort of scientific journal I could provide a better source but i'm not at the library right now.

Sources:

Magical things written by some assholes that say you guys don't know jack shit and we know everything, then other assholes say- geez them guys must be smart.

V4D3R
01-01-2008, 12:02 PM
Numerous evidence of Pre-Historic Nuclear War exists: Columns of Smoke Rose as if from a Mighty Furnace
by Brad Steiger
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/31/images/ancient_India_bomb.jpg Ancient Indian Epics, especially the Mahabharata, document apparent pre-historic nuclear devastation and destruction, that is being verified by diverse scholars.
“Then the Lord rained down fire and tar from heaven upon Sodom and Gomorrah, and utterly destroyed them….” Genesis 19:24.
My previous article in The Canadian , in which I reflected upon my book Worlds Before Our Own, provoked dozens of inquiries from readers. LINK (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/21/02021.html) Some stated that one of the cable channels -- some thought it was the History Channel; others, Discovery; still others, National Geographic -- had presented “proof” that the “fused green glass” to be found in various areas had been created by meteoric air blasts rather than prehistoric nuclear wars.
I remain open to many theories of Earth‘s prehistory. One of those individuals prompted to write to me, who had the advantage of having actually read Worlds Before Our Own, stated that I present “in a clear and lucid style, information concerning anomalous archeological finds without the hyperbole usually associated with this type of material.”
While patches of “fused green glass” may in certain instances have been caused by air blasts from meteors, I wonder if such a natural phenomenon could have created all twenty-eight fields of blackened and shattered stones that cover as many as 7000 miles each in western Arabia. The stones are densely grouped, as if they might be the remains of cities, sharp-edged, and burned black. Experts have decreed that they are not volcanic in origin, but appear to date from the period when Arabia was thought to be a lush and fruitful land that suddenly became scorched into an instant desert.
What we know today as the Sahara Desert was once a tropical region of heavy vegetation, abundant rainfall, and several large rivers. Scientists have discovered areas of the desert in which soils which once knew the cultivated influence of plow and farmer are now covered by a thin layer of sand. Researchers have also found an enormous reservoir of water below the parched desert area. The source of such a large deposit of water could only have been the heavy rains from the period of time before a fiery devastation consumed the lush vegetation of the area.
On December 25, 2007, it was confirmed by a French scientist that excavations at the area of Khamis Bani Sa’ad in Tehema district of Hodeidah province have yielded over a thousand rare archaeological pieces dating back to 300,000 B.C.E. Before a dramatic climate change, the inhabitants at that time had been fishermen and had domesticated a number of animals no longer to be found in the region, including a species of horse currently found only in Middle Asia.
The Red Chinese have conducted atomic tests near Lob Nor Lake in the Gobi Desert, which have left large patches of the area covered with vitreous sand. But the Gobi has a number of other areas of glassy sand which have been known for thousands of years.
Albion W. Hart, one of the first engineers to graduate from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was assigned a project in the interior of Africa. While he and his men were traveling to an almost inaccessible region, they had first to cross a great expanse of desert. At the time, he was puzzled and quite unable to explain a large area of greenish glass which covered the sands as far as he could see.
"Later on during his life," wrote Margarethe Casson in Rocks and Minerals (No. 396, 1972), "he passed by the White Sands area after the first atomic explosion there, and he recognized the same type of silica fusion which he had seen fifty years earlier in the African desert."
In 1947, in the Euphrates valley of southern Iraq, where certain traditions place the Garden of Eden and where the ancient inhabitants of Sumer encountered the man-god Ea, exploratory digging unearthed a layer of fused, green glass. Archaeologists could not restrain themselves from noting the resemblance that the several-thousand-year-old fused glass bore to the desert floor at White Sands, New Mexico, after the first nuclear blasts in modem times had melted sand and rock.
In the United States, the Mohave Desert has large circular or polygonal areas that are coated with a hard substance very much like opaque glass.
While exploring Death Valley in 1850, William Walker claimed to have come upon the ruins of an ancient city. An end of the large building within the rubble had had its stones melted and vitrified.
Walker went on to state that the entire region between the Gila and St. John rivers was spotted with ruins. In each of the ancient settlements he had found evidence that they had been burned out by fire intense enough to have liquefied rock. Paving blocks and stone houses had been split with huge cracks, as if seared by some gigantic cleaver of fire.
Perhaps even more than the large areas of fused green glass, I am intrigued by the evidence of vitrified cities and forts, such as those discovered by Walker.
There are ancient hill forts and towers in Scotland, Ireland, and England in which the stoneworks have become calcined because of the great heat that had been applied. There is no way that lightning could have caused such effects.
Other hill forts from the Lofoten Islands off northern Norway to the Canary Islands off northwest Africa have become “fused forts.” Erich A. von Fange comments that the “piled boulders of their circular walls have been turned to glass… by some intense heat.”
Catal Huyukin in north-central Turkey, thought to be one of the oldest cities in the world, appears, according to archaeological evidence, to have been fully civilized and then, suddenly, to have died out. Archaeologists were astonished to find thick layers of burned brick at one of the levels, called VIa. The blocks had been fused together by such intense heat that the effects had penetrated to a depth more than a meter below the level of the floors, where it carbonized the earth, the skeletal remains of the dead, and the burial gifts that had been interred with them. All bacterial decay had been halted by the tremendous heat.
When a large ziggurat in Babylonia was excavated, it presented the appearance of having been struck by a terrible fire that had split it down to its foundation. In other parts of the ruins, large sections of brickwork had been scorched into a vitrified state. Several masses of brickwork had been rendered into a completely molten state. Even large boulders found near the ruins had been vitrified.
The royal buildings at the north Syrian site known as Alalakh or Atchana had been so completely burned that the very core of the thick walls were filled with bright red, crumbling mud-bricks. The mud and lime wall plaster had been vitrified, and basalt wall slabs had, in some areas, actually melted.
Between India's Ganges River and the Rajmahal Hills are scorched ruins which contain large masses of stone that have been fused and hollowed. Certain travelers who have ventured to the heart of the Indian forests have reported ruins of cities in which the walls have become huge slabs of crystal, due to some intense heat.
The ruins of the Seven Cities, located near the equator in the Province of Piaui, Brazil, appear to be the scene of a monstrous chaos. Since no geological explanation has yet been construed to fit the evidence before the archaeologists, certain of those who have investigated the site have said that the manner in which the stones have been dried out, destroyed, and melted provokes images of Sodom and Gomorrah.
French researchers discovered the evidence of prehistoric spontaneous nuclear reaction at the Oklo mine, Pierrelatte, in Gabon, Africa. Scientists found that the ore of this mine contained abnormally low proportions of U235 such as found only in depleted uranium fuel taken from atomic reactors. According to those who examined the mine, the ore also contained four rare elements in forms similar to those found in depleted uranium.
Although the modern world did not experience atomic power until the 1940s, there is an astonishing amount of evidence that nuclear effects may have occurred in prehistoric times leaving behind sand melted into glass in certain desert areas, hill forts with vitrified portions of stone walls, of the remains of ancient cities that had been destroyed by what appeared to have been extreme heat-far beyond that which could have been scorched by the torches of primitive armies. In each instance, the trained and experienced archaeologists who encountered such anomalous finds have stressed the point that none of these catastrophes had been caused by volcanoes, by lightning, by crashing comets, or by conflagrations set by humankind.
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/31/images/sinai_nuclear_war.jpg Sinai peninsular area of apparent nuclear war activity.
Zecharia Sitchin (1985) devotes an entire chapter to a discussion of nuclear warfare in ancient times in Mesopotamia and the Sinai peninsula. In this book he also suggests the destruction of the Sinai “space facilities” by nuclear weapons. He offers as evidence:
“…the immense cavity in the center of the Sinai and the resulting fracture lines (see figure), the vast surrounding flat area covered with blackened stones, traces of radiation south of the Dead Sea, the new extent and shape of the Dead Sea – is still there, four thousand years later”.

diggy
01-02-2008, 01:09 AM
The ancients had way better technology than we do. They have most probably were the ones to go to mars. There are hyroglyphs of flying vehicles in pyramids. They had knowledge of batteries in ancient Iraq. They have hyroglyphs of heart surgury done that westeners only discovered how to do in the 1990's.

But of course historians ( the majority of them) lied about the past or did not speak of it. But truth is coming to light.

V4D3R
01-02-2008, 01:34 AM
If you ever read Robert Jordan's fictional work The Wheel of time series - this would be more intriguing.

WARPATH
11-24-2009, 05:24 PM
the anomalous indian blood seration and dentition, and the geographic distribution of the american indian, demands an impossible genetic time scale in which to transform asiatic immigrants to distinctive new world inhabitants.

bump

V4D3R
11-26-2009, 10:50 AM
I dont know about this "Author" and his sources...

dbdavidwu4ever
11-26-2009, 05:55 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why, what happened? I was really interested reading this whole thread.

Dopium486
11-26-2009, 06:35 PM
The ancients had way better technology than we do. They have most probably were the ones to go to mars. There are hyroglyphs of flying vehicles in pyramids. They had knowledge of batteries in ancient Iraq. They have hyroglyphs of heart surgury done that westeners only discovered how to do in the 1990's.

But of course historians ( the majority of them) lied about the past or did not speak of it. But truth is coming to light.

can you gimme an article or somethin that relates to this?

this topic is thought provoking i wanna look into it.

diggy
11-26-2009, 10:47 PM
Ancient Iraq battery:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_11.htm

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/7883/baghdad-battery/



Ancient Egyptian Light Bulb:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chaptera/



Ancient Egyptian Surgery:

http://floydssecrets.blogspot.com/2007/08/ancient-egyptian-surgery.html



Some say this is a hieroglyph of a helicopter. See for yourself:

http://www.kch42.dial.pipex.com/egypttour_abydos.htm

ALCATRAZ
11-26-2009, 11:50 PM
Archaeologist Francis Taylor stated that etchings in some nearby temples he translated, suggested that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. “It’s so mind-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare.”



... (it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...

...it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

...The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

"Natural radioactivity in soil and radiation levels of Rajasthan" (http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3090274)

The results of the measurement of natural radioactivity in soil collected from various locations of three districts of Rajasthan state using the gamma spectrometry technique are presented. The data on calculated and measured values of outdoor air absorbed dose rates due to terrestrial gamma radiation at each location are also discussed.

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/side86/forum/confused0024.gif

V4D3R
11-30-2009, 11:54 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why, what happened? I was really interested reading this whole thread.

Well Im just unsure of his sources. The archeological sources prove accurate but the author has a shady looking website with all these books on different subjects.

Shadowthrone
12-03-2009, 08:28 AM
I've read about one ancient legend where atlantian fleets invaded a kingdom we now know as the country of india.

David Hatcher Childress talks about a destructive war in his book "Lost cities of China, Central Asia & India" described in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana, which were part of a long ongoing war between Atlantis and the Indian empire of Rama. In these texts the Atlantians were called "the Asvins" and describe in detail the Atlantians appearance flying airplanes, and their threat to destroy the capital.

When the Atlantians advanced despite the the Rama kings' pleas for peace, the king raised his arms and used his powerful mental powers to kill (they all dropped dead) the leaders of the invading army. The Atlantians later returned with nuclear weapons and wiped the 7 cities of Rama completely off the map.

DRUNKENARTS
12-03-2009, 11:00 AM
bump - any more links for reading up on more of this shit? very interesting + thanks 2 the thread starter

TheBoarzHeadBoy
12-03-2009, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I mean I can't say all of this is true (none of us can honestly say we know this) but this all correlates with my Atlantian Nuclear Disaster theory. This of course would require the other civilisations to be relatively similar in power in order to not have been totally consumed. I get the feeling that not only were these culture more advanced then their anciet equivalents who chronicled them, but they were almost certainly more advanced then our modern society.

I agree that there is evidence of a nuclear war (or several cyclical nuclear wars and reconstructions) before the common era. Human intelligence has been steady for quite a long time (hundreds of thousands of years at the least) I am almost certain we've damn near whiped ourselves out a few times in order for us to not have colonies across the stars (or do we?) There's too much cumulative mythology to throw that out.

I don't believe in aliens neccessarily, but I'm pretty open to pre modern space travel, even interstellar travel. It would explain why the "aliens" are taking sperm and eggs, they're testing them or using them. But they're certainly human. Other species would be coming to claim land. If we're the same species they don't because they're already here, they're us.

My ultimate opinion is that ideas don't come from nowhere. People don't just think of things, they get their ideas from things. Even technology is built upon what comes before it, so our cultural fears and monsters probably weren't so original. Explaining nature only goes so far. Ideas like world's getting consumed in floods or cities being incinerated into ash in seconds had to come from somewhere. Our myths are the misremembered stories of our ancient ancient ancestors.

Honestly, where the fuck do people get the idea of Vimana's floating over India shining like the sun and making cities dissapear off the map. These craft are described as having pocket dimensions within them that allowed for infinite storage of people and machines. Krishna had "arrows" that were sound guided in their lethality (missiles) Indra had darts that seem to be laser weaponry that fired light that consumed things. Ghurka's Vimana used a single weapon called the Iron Thunderbolt (Sounds Like a pretty good description of Tallboy) that held the "power of the universe" and "the light of ten thousand suns" and reduced 2 entire races' civilizations to ASH. They go on to say the bodies were burned so badly they weren't bodies anymore and that the survivors lost their hair and nails...

This isn't poetic language this is a rather clear depiction of a nuclear scouring.

The Mahabharata also tells of the awesome destructiveness of the war: "... (the weapon was) a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendour... An iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.... the corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white.... after a few hours all foodstuffs were infected.... to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment..." Some say that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war. References like this one are not isolated; but battles, using a fantastic array of weapons and aerial vehicles are common in all the epic Indian books. One even describes a Vimana-Vailix battle on the Moon! The above section very accurately describes what an atomic explosion would look like and the effects of the radioactivity on the population. Jumping into water is the only respite.

There are also extremely radioactive skeletons found in these regions.

(All the preceding came from Crystal Links, so I can't say it's accurate, but I've heard all of this stuff before in the past with better sources though I'm not going to dredge for them.

V4D3R
12-03-2009, 01:36 PM
Al I know is whether you believe in E.T. or not - the following has happened supposedly according to ex-military people.

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The rest of them here
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spiggity_ace
01-09-2012, 12:36 AM
bump, ill be back in this thread too

Fatal Guillotine
06-04-2012, 08:52 AM
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