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Dokuro
12-27-2007, 06:10 PM
evry one ganna miss her and what ever but if no one seen this comming thin there just stupid the fist of any thig in politics alwas die and se had twis the odds woman and demacraticly allected




lets pore some out for this world leader for braking the mold

SID
12-28-2007, 04:48 AM
good riddance, she was a snitch 4 the west, powdering up her face to look white, get the fuck outta here!!!

shinobi4227
12-28-2007, 06:50 AM
^ how can you say that yo, all she wanted was stability in her country, and the only way she could have done that was to rat out Al quieda and their affiliates.

Ultimate Fist
12-28-2007, 09:11 AM
good riddance, she was a snitch 4 the west, powdering up her face to look white, get the fuck outta here!!!

Powdering the face is actually pretty common in many parts of the Arab world.

SID
12-28-2007, 10:54 AM
Yeah i know, but not to that extent

SID
12-28-2007, 10:57 AM
^ how can you say that yo, all she wanted was stability in her country, and the only way she could have done that was to rat out Al quieda and their affiliates.

She went to harvard university, and was mentored by the highest degree U.S government officials, she wanted "democracy" in pakistan, she was a snitch

JackOfHearts
12-28-2007, 01:18 PM
''oooo no, she was taught at harvard....even tho she was a well being human shes a bitch so she went to a posh uni......what an offence.......''! shut it sidious u slag!

SID
12-28-2007, 05:23 PM
dude your grandmaz a slag, iam jus saying she was with the U.S government and i condemn the crimes of that nation and its affiliates, all she would have done if ever in control of that country is utilize a western outlook on life for the people, which would jus not work and backfire.

America would use pakistan as a fortified base (prime strategic location) on which to attack further targets in the middle east.

Thats my view, dont like it? i really dont give a fuck

SL33
12-28-2007, 05:49 PM
She went to harvard university, and was mentored by the highest degree U.S government officials, she wanted "democracy" in pakistan, she was a snitch


who knows? i feel sorry for every dead person, cause life is irreplaceable, but i hate american 'democracy'----iraq, afghanistan, kosovo, bosnia....it's like everywhere---stapleton to somalia....

Heavy-Mental
12-28-2007, 06:19 PM
good riddance, she was a snitch 4 the west, powdering up her face to look white, get the fuck outta here!!!

She had US ties, connections, relations. Thats what the US does to 3rd world countries.. use them, destablize them.

She was light skin, she wasnt tryin 2 look white. No one powerders up their face like that in Pakistan.

Powdering the face is actually pretty common in many parts of the Arab world.

Acutally its not. Many women there are very light skin, very. Pakistan is not the arab world tho, but middle east/S east asia have many light skin women, they wear make up but dont powder up like a clown.

Bhutto was a women that died.. it is sad that politics killed her...despise the frauds and politricks she was a smart women wanting a change in her homeland. The US doesnt want prez Musharaf to step down... we'll just have 2 cee how the saga unfolds.

peace

12weLvE
12-28-2007, 06:56 PM
DAmn the thread starter is banned??? WTF.


R.I.P Bhutto.

Dokuro
12-28-2007, 09:25 PM
good riddance, she was a snitch 4 the west, powdering up her face to look white, get the fuck outta here!!!
This is the first time Iím going to say this with actual meaning to any on in this site Iím sad it has to be you. sid



fuck you

and snitching for al-Qaida a good thing you fuckin retard not every resistance organization are good gay








my God forgive you

maestro wooz
12-28-2007, 10:48 PM
its a shame she died, musharaf is blaming al-quaeda ala george bush


btw, sidious katana, i will never take anything you say with more than a grain of salt after this thread. Are you really this ignorant? Are you 17?

pneumatic
12-28-2007, 10:49 PM
I work with someone from Pakistan and he said that her husband was really responsible for the corruption and not her.

TSA
12-29-2007, 12:06 AM
anyone that hate's her for being a "snitch" is a naive child that listens to too many Game Cds




anybody that hates her for being a women in a position of power is bad ass



and for the most part i was reading into her before she died, turns out she was corrupt (by accusation though), but her intentions were good.

She wanted stability and progress in her country which is noble, and Al Queda are faggots, if they're in your country getting rid of them is an accomplishment.




I think what's happening in the middle east is at the moment is the region is cracking is colonial shell and returning to its essence, which is gonna suck.


all this talk of bringing democracy there is just dumb, the people want theocracy in the region, Islam is a true to root religion, in the west it makes sense for us to seperate religion cause ultimate authority comes from the ppl.

That's not a Judeo Christain value


the way they see it, god is the utmost and therefore why wouldn't allah run the gov.

thats why all over the region the popular movement is towards things with think is backwards and things they think is progress.



wise niggas wake up...





i forgot what i was talking about





*continues to listen to Casablanca*

SID
12-29-2007, 09:58 AM
you all chattin breeze, i know what she was planning for that country and i know what she was, al qaeda dont run the country they just have hidden bases there, which the pakistani army are fighting continusly. She was a snitch in my term of the word, she forsaken her countries traditions and right to be goverened and controled internaly, not externaly by some hungry-ass country.

The U.S.A is todays modern ruling empire, they want to implement "democracy", in other words control the conntry, and use their govermental structure as the satrting point, they are slowly going to do this to more and more countries, and pakistan was one of them, even though they control most of pakistan even now, they needed "democracy" to complete the control process.

Bhutto was with the U.S 100% and everything they agreed in, she wanted Americas wishes for pakistan, not pakistans wishes for pakistan, her death is no suprise, i condemn the way in which she was killed of course, some nutcase with a bomb n shit, but this was inevetable....

in my term of the word she was a snitch, you can continue bickering over this if you wish

HANZO
12-29-2007, 11:37 AM
i got a lot of pakistani friends and none of them liked her. i remember one pointing out, that ever since she returned to pakistan there has been turmoil there. she put herself into self exile, practically running away from pakistans problems then all of a sudden decides to turn up and stir up shit in pakistan.

no my mates are all pretty much radical muslims so there opinion is obviously bias. but when u do think about it, what sidious is saying is kinda true. im not pointing out that she wanted to be white, (her mother was iranian i believe so she aint gonna be the darkest person) but she did help out america a lot.

but she did have a good aim in bringing democracy to pakistan, although i think that country aint ready for democracy. it is a shame, assasinating a female leader isnt the most honourable thing to do.

SID
12-29-2007, 01:37 PM
yes i'm sure sharia law would be better than democracy for the pakistani people

you n your arrogant dumb comments, who said any one is gonna implement sharia law in pakistan? maybe in your deluded visions, but in the real world that would never happen, musharaff has been planted there by the U.S like most of the eastern countries, to prevent attacks on america, the taliban operate out off the mountaions border regions of pakistan an the army is fighting them......your sayin the taliban what to take over pakistan?...hehehee

SID
12-29-2007, 01:43 PM
i'm saying, if you're gonna assassinate bhutto, what's the alternative? you have militant extremists who want to institute sharia law or you have musharraf and his puppet government that periodically suspends the constitution and institutes martial law.

i don't see how her assassination is beneficial to the pakistani people. maybe someone here can help me understand that.

shit happens dont mean its good for anyone, same as drink driving and rape, but her death has at least removed a foreign spy out of pakistans affairs, so they can try and build on their own (even though americas with them....

Prince Rai
12-29-2007, 01:50 PM
straight up R.I.P to Bhutto nahmean, when somebody dies, regardless, peace has to be shown. so peace.

just want to say that, she was correct in her stance against alqaeda, the thing is however, u cant get rid off alqaeda in pakistan. its hard. what you have to try and do is alter their objectives and aims. how thats done beats me, and is worth nother thread.

her affiliation with democracy sucks.

democracy aint an answer to pakistans problem per se. whats democracy gone do? there are too many illiterate people there who wouldnt know the implications of what they are voting. money, bribery etc rules there. i know cos im from pakistani descent.

democracy is an illusion as we all know. plato called it inefficient.

had bhutto come to power, the problems would still remain. only the west would be fed with pictures and news showing everything is ok, although pakistan is still in turmoil.

TSA
12-29-2007, 03:56 PM
yes i'm sure sharia law would be better than democracy for the pakistani people
well believe it or not it's what they want.

as soon as they become democratic they'll just VOTE to have Sharia law.


everywhere you have democracy and islam it quickly becomes Sharia law.
and that's by popular concensus

all the secular governments in the m.east are hated by the ppl and struggle to maintain legitimacy because in that culture god is legitimacy and seperating from him his just being a slut.

that's why the quickly become dictatorships

which is all good. the purpose of law is to maintain order, if Sharia is how they wanna do it so be it.



some cultures are inable to accept curtain types of government because it's not them


the US would never accept total socialism, and it appears the russia will never accept total democracy.




in order for democracy to work in a country(which is more complexed then you think) there has to be curtain tenants

1. Individualism

2. a value of merit above obligation

3. an armed citizenry



I've seen it play out in real life. In nigeria, my tribe was probably the only real democracy. There was no central gov, no kings, no nothing. If you were to become a leader you had to earn it by becoming respected in the community (which means rich), and earn titles. When decisions needed to be made, families would elect a rep and they would parly over things, reach a settlement and get on with life. Kids don't inherit titles from parents and have to earn it, or surpass it by personal merit. They're also very individualistic.


another ethnicity, the Hausa, have a warlike desert culture, they have highly centralized governments before colonializm, and are muslim. They believe in the rich providing for the poor and therefore there's a lot of beggers. They a lot less individualistic then the Igbos.



the federal gov gave them both to option to form government as they wished so long as it follows constitutional guidelines. End result, all the Hausa states a centralized and run by strong leaders under sharia, or sharia influenced law and are more wellfare state in nature. In most elections everyone knows whose gonna win and it's usually from the same families


all the igbo states are democratic(tho corrupt as hell), EVERYONE'S running in elections, and they have a hard time accepting moves by gov to siese more power then they should have.



every peoples have an appropriate gov. to suit their cultural nature, when they dont abide by it there's chaos.

HANZO
12-29-2007, 04:12 PM
wat im seeing is that in pakistan you have a situation where u got, the extreamists vs the government vs the pro-democrats. they will all try to gain power until the you get another military cou. this process will repeat itself every decade usually or possibly longer.

i kno jus look at turkey since we became a damn democracy its been, fascists vs commies vs military. there has been a cou in the 50's one in the 60's one in the 70's and a really big one in the 80's. the most recent was in 97. there was even gonna be on earlier this year. everytime a military cou happens the country goes back 50 years. reason why turkey has never really developed.

same shit goes for pakistan, y'all ever realise jus when pakistan is stabilising when the economy is getting stronger or something positive happens. thats when political problems start. so there would be rioting and what not, loads of deaths and ultimately a cou d'etat. so pakistan instead of moving forward moves 50 years backwards because theres no other choice.

TSA
12-29-2007, 05:02 PM
^agreed, but most of these countries are rural.

the middle east is bad news for everyone, period. If the puppet govs stay, instability continues, if they're allowed to be what they want they push israel to the sea and forcefully spread islam into africa and eastern europe


aiyo cilvarings, why can't you tell you niggas to just chill

SID
12-29-2007, 06:32 PM
What the fuck youu on about, middle east is bad for everyone! U.S.A are bad for everyone, dont get it twisted.....

TSA
12-29-2007, 06:38 PM
yeah, but im IN the US to it's all good lol.

(rephrase) the middle east and the west are bad for everyone

asia africa and latin america leave ppl alone so it's all good.

s_ivy
12-29-2007, 08:22 PM
good riddance, she was a snitch 4 the west, powdering up her face to look white, get the fuck outta here!!!


dumbass.

RIP bhutto

Longbongcilvaringz
12-30-2007, 03:06 AM
yes i'm sure sharia law would be better than democracy for the pakistani people



man, what the fuck do you know about sharia law?

sure, it may have been over zealously intepreted by a tiny minority of Islamic (so called) people, but in actual fact it is an extremely peaceful mechanism which facilitates exceptional societal productivity.

Islam in it self is a religion of equality and egalitarian principles, and Sharia law reflects this prefectly, all you Americans think just because you once saw a youtube video of some infedel female being stoned and beaten, Sharia law is to blame. Think about what this woman might have done? maybe she drank her husbands tea?

stop being ignorant, your all starting to remind me of gay, especially you TheShaolinAssassin.

Longbongcilvaringz
12-30-2007, 03:07 AM
oh yeah, and Islam > Christianity

SID
12-30-2007, 05:01 AM
man, what the fuck do you know about sharia law?

sure, it may have been over zealously intepreted by a tiny minority of Islamic (so called) people, but in actual fact it is an extremely peaceful mechanism which facilitates exceptional societal productivity.

Islam in it self is a religion of equality and egalitarian principles, and Sharia law reflects this prefectly, all you Americans think just because you once saw a youtube video of some infedel female being stoned and beaten, Sharia law is to blame. Think about what this woman might have done? maybe she drank her husbands tea?

stop being ignorant, your all starting to remind me of gay, especially you TheShaolinAssassin.

^^very true!!!

SID
12-30-2007, 05:06 AM
yeah, but im IN the US to it's all good lol.

(rephrase) the middle east and the west are bad for everyone

asia africa and latin america leave ppl alone so it's all good.

Not even the middle east, its the U.S.A 100% followed by israel and the U.K these trio of countries are fucking up this world, leaving the middle eastern countries (that they have already infiltrated with chosen dictators) to fight against there tyranny and occupation

If you all forgot, babies in palestine are still gettin blown to bits, and women and children slaughtered....shit never stops....

regarding Bhutto i say it again, good riddance

Cee Oh Vee
01-01-2008, 01:29 PM
Powdering the face is actually pretty common in many parts of the Arab world.

It's Pakistan bro'

theafghan
01-03-2008, 01:56 AM
everyone in here talkin about democracy and theocracy and shariah, etc etc etc. man its not about any of that. its about 2 things, MONEY and POWER. taliban, al quaida, all them tribes etc etc, they aren't operating on ideals. they violate all kinds of shariah. everyone out there knows opium is against islam. so is killing people just because they are a different ethnicity (which the pashtoons do all the time and the other ethnicities do back to them). u guys are too idealistic, its not about religion or types of governance. just like how we've seen in other parts of the world, they use religion to gain MONEY and POWER.

its not black and white out there. its not about taliban and al quaida vs. the west. theres a gang of different villages, tribes, criminal organizations, nomadic groups, groups of theives, smugglers, border gaurds, etc etc which constantly fight each other. loyalties and alliances constantly shift.