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Dr Zayus
03-25-2008, 08:19 AM
I was replying to a post about Wu-Tang on SOHH and this thought popped in my head, and I figured here was the best place to expand on it.

Do you think they know that that's it? There are no more options for them to come back from the position they're in right now, as an old school group who make the same music over and over.

RZA gave them a new sound and what I think he hoped was a new direction to take the music into and they couldn't even get along long enough to promote it. These people act like they're musical geniuses when they can barely make what can be considered an album without that one man overseeing it. They couldn't even follow his lead long enough to shoot a goddamn video covering a Beatles song with Erykah fucking Badu - who, by the way, sold over 100k first week with one of the most non-commercial, non-traditional albums in years - and George Harrison's son and John Frusciante. Yet Ghostface can spare the time and the budget to shoot a video for CELEBRATE, an awful song and a terrible pick for a single.

Regardless of whether or not RZA had the right idea with what he was doing, the rest of the Clan decided instead to rely on their back catalogue for the 8 Diagrams tour and judging from some of the posts on this board and others, they're boring as fucking batshit while doing it. I mean, here's a group of people that have spent 10 years running away from their classic sound - they've always talked about how you can never stay the same and how tastes and sounds change with maturity and age but when RZA produces a work that stays true to the gritty, musical and artistic aesthetic of the old work while creating something different and interesting suddenly they need some traditional shit? Suddenly there has to be a Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang.

Why didn't Raekwon do this on Immobilarity or Lex Diamond? Why is it the Ice Water album is so pathetic when he thinks he can do such a bang-up job creating a record? Why hasn't Deck stayed true to his own comments in interviews? Most of his music is generic NY shit in the most literal sense of the word.

Here's the best part though - 8 Diagrams sold something like 150k records and Big Doe Rehab hasn't even cracked 100k in sales. Ghostface had the bigger budget, recorded a video and actually aimed at the club charts with his single - all the while creating an album so musically close to Supreme Clientele but lacking the perfect conditions in the recording and release of that album, but 8 Diagrams, the album only RZA actually gave a fuck about, still sold more?

Sounds like the Clan put their fate in the wrong hands and lost their last shot at relevance.

THE W
03-25-2008, 09:09 AM
yeah they're done as a group. 8 diagrams isnt what wu-tang clan needed. its okay to change but you have to change for the better, not for the worse. Rza shouldnt have went forward with something that all the other members didnt want and the other members shouldnt have put darts down on music they didnt like.

seriously though, if they didnt like the music why did they even step foot inside the studio to record? they did it to themselves.




when's that new bronze album dropping?

Durag
03-25-2008, 09:42 AM
I agree with Dr. Zayus, good points. With the right promotion and advertisment, as singles i think 'The Heart Gently Weeps' and 'Stick Me For My Riches' would have done well. Their commercial sounding without being commercial, and at the same time retaining entegrity. If they could have just seen this, things may have been different. When it comes to PR, the Wu suck, and they've suffered because of it

Dr Zayus
03-25-2008, 06:18 PM
yeah they're done as a group. 8 diagrams isnt what wu-tang clan needed. its okay to change but you have to change for the better, not for the worse. Rza shouldnt have went forward with something that all the other members didnt want and the other members shouldnt have put darts down on music they didnt like.

seriously though, if they didnt like the music why did they even step foot inside the studio to record? they did it to themselves.




when's that new bronze album dropping?

No matter what they do as a group from now on, I can't respect people who can't see the obvious when it's screaming in their face.

Hollow Dartz
03-25-2008, 08:55 PM
yeah they're done as a group. 8 diagrams isnt what wu-tang clan needed. its okay to change but you have to change for the better, not for the worse. Rza shouldnt have went forward with something that all the other members didnt want and the other members shouldnt have put darts down on music they didnt like.

seriously though, if they didnt like the music why did they even step foot inside the studio to record? they did it to themselves.




when's that new bronze album dropping?

agreed.

Surreptitious
03-26-2008, 10:45 AM
anyone heard the Ludacris track talking about break ups where he mentions Wu-Tang?

sad day for all of us, shit is over

TGambino
03-26-2008, 10:46 AM
nas lost

claaa7
03-26-2008, 03:42 PM
seriously though, if they didnt like the music why did they even step foot inside the studio to record? they did it to themselves.


I love the music on 8 Diagrams but i'm sure the beats for many of the songs sounded different when the members recorded them. "Thug World" and "Heart Gently Weeps" are the examples of this that we know of, but I guess that RZA gave them basic shit like that to rhyme over and then he went back and put on all the live instruments and shit on top of that. I see where you coming from though..

pmack215
04-02-2008, 08:29 PM
well fucking said, zayus!!!!
i agree w/ about 90% of what u said, especially about GFK (haha, LOL)(never thought i'd laugh at GFK like that). but i dont think BDR was anything like clientele, musically.
and i think meth, ugod, MK, gza, rae, INS & rza all cared about 8D. i think they all put in superb efforts. they were lyrically incredible, and i love most of the beats. even if rae did bash the production after the fact, he still deserves props for what he did lyrically. he did put in 100% effort in the booth.
**FYI...i do think that w/ the way rae is rhyming right now, that if he let rza control the production & direction of OB4CL2 that it def would be as close to as classic as part 1 was.**

as far as them being definitely over though....i dont think so. tell me, if they do another album that they ALL love and promote as being THAT album that satisfies all fans' disappointments over the past 7 yrs...will u not cop it??? would everyone else on here ignore it??? i think all wu fans will always give them a chance. our thirst will never be quenched. we'll always want wu, and continue to hold out hope for what we all individually, selfishly want.

Sgt Holly Wood
04-03-2008, 07:14 PM
all i gotta say is that 8diagrams was a real pathetic album, but they may still have chances if they get their shit together and stop bitchin at each other over dumb shit

anyways yo t gambino shit on ur sig is fucking marvelous my nigga!!

SL33
04-03-2008, 07:19 PM
I was replying to a post about Wu-Tang on SOHH and this thought popped in my head, and I figured here was the best place to expand on it.

Do you think they know that that's it? There are no more options for them to come back from the position they're in right now, as an old school group who make the same music over and over.

RZA gave them a new sound and what I think he hoped was a new direction to take the music into and they couldn't even get along long enough to promote it. These people act like they're musical geniuses when they can barely make what can be considered an album without that one man overseeing it. They couldn't even follow his lead long enough to shoot a goddamn video covering a Beatles song with Erykah fucking Badu - who, by the way, sold over 100k first week with one of the most non-commercial, non-traditional albums in years - and George Harrison's son and John Frusciante. Yet Ghostface can spare the time and the budget to shoot a video for CELEBRATE, an awful song and a terrible pick for a single.

Regardless of whether or not RZA had the right idea with what he was doing, the rest of the Clan decided instead to rely on their back catalogue for the 8 Diagrams tour and judging from some of the posts on this board and others, they're boring as fucking batshit while doing it. I mean, here's a group of people that have spent 10 years running away from their classic sound - they've always talked about how you can never stay the same and how tastes and sounds change with maturity and age but when RZA produces a work that stays true to the gritty, musical and artistic aesthetic of the old work while creating something different and interesting suddenly they need some traditional shit? Suddenly there has to be a Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang.

Why didn't Raekwon do this on Immobilarity or Lex Diamond? Why is it the Ice Water album is so pathetic when he thinks he can do such a bang-up job creating a record? Why hasn't Deck stayed true to his own comments in interviews? Most of his music is generic NY shit in the most literal sense of the word.

Here's the best part though - 8 Diagrams sold something like 150k records and Big Doe Rehab hasn't even cracked 100k in sales. Ghostface had the bigger budget, recorded a video and actually aimed at the club charts with his single - all the while creating an album so musically close to Supreme Clientele but lacking the perfect conditions in the recording and release of that album, but 8 Diagrams, the album only RZA actually gave a fuck about, still sold more?

Sounds like the Clan put their fate in the wrong hands and lost their last shot at relevance.


give more rep points to this man.

HarlemDiplomat
04-04-2008, 12:59 AM
I just can't believe Ghost shot that low budget vid with Styles P and 8 Diagrams couldn't even get a video.

Jammin
04-04-2008, 01:07 AM
http://nahright.com/news/2008/04/02/video-wu-tang-my-heart-gently-weeps-behind-the-scenes/

starkeylove
04-06-2008, 02:59 PM
if they wanted platinum status for 8D - alls they had to do was one thing:

Video for HGW
- Badu/Common fans would dig it
- You got the MF beatle connection
- Chili pepper Frusciante has a following
- Wu fans on their own that made up the 150K sales

but nope, they phucked up! ghost and rae thought they were cool dissing their own product. I'm a ghost fan, but he's not the most intelligent cat.

btw, a video for windmill to follow-up HGW would've put them over the top...showing they still got it...not showing us, but the rest of the world who has forgotten WU

the insignificant
04-13-2008, 03:59 AM
they'll never hit the heights of the 93-97 era... but they've already cemented a legacy in hip hop... the wu (like krs one, public enemy or kool g rap) have a large enough following to keep releasing albums and keep making money for a few more years yet... but they won't strike oil...

bearjames
04-13-2008, 05:05 AM
MAKE SURE YOU PEOPLE BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR " POPA WU presents: VISIONS OF THE TENTH CHAMBER part II" go to Popa Wu bio or futurechamber.com for more info. This album has features from Popa Wu, Timbo King, Dungeon Master, FreeMurda and others. May 27, 2008

dj chris
04-15-2008, 02:21 PM
The wutang didn't blew no last chance. They are in the history books of hip hop. Wutang is forever.

Mr. X
04-15-2008, 02:45 PM
I think I just had my hopes up too high for 8D. The CD was mediocre for them but I think it was solid compared to everything else out nowadays.

dj chris
04-15-2008, 05:10 PM
With that album there could of been a more better song out to promote instead of watch your mouth but no matter what they still up top.

VZA
04-15-2008, 05:14 PM
The Wu will never blow their last chance.

Every band has another chance, look at the band 'Yes', in their time, one of the most slanted bands around, now, regarded as geniuses.

dj chris
04-15-2008, 06:44 PM
The Wu will never blow their last chance.

Every band has another chance, look at the band 'Yes', in their time, one of the most slanted bands around, now, regarded as geniuses.

You are on point. They are a major influence to the world.

ju-ju
04-15-2008, 07:35 PM
I Believe If Rza Come Wit Some Dope Ass Beats They Still Can Win Cuz The Game Can Be Took They Just Really Have To Come Wit It We Need That Raw Fuck Shit UP Flow!

THE W
04-15-2008, 07:37 PM
the threadstarter is saying they blew their last chance to be relevant in 2008 or ever. that they absolutely did.

as far as being legends that was solidified a long time ago and cannot be revoked no matter how much mediocre to weak shit they put out.

Masta Chilla
04-16-2008, 03:44 PM
true... they should just stop. wu-tang will be forever like bob marley will be forever... they will be in our hearts... but physically the clan is dead. maybe mef n ghost will release something from time to time and rza will act in several gangster- or tarantino-films... but 8 diagrams (which was a good album) was the last you'll ever hear from the clan.

rip

dj chris
04-16-2008, 06:01 PM
I think wutang can make a big come back if they do another album in an orginal style.

Ritter
04-16-2008, 06:41 PM
I think wutang can make a big come back if they do another album in an orginal style.

Why cant people just get it over with.Original style this,36 Chambers that...They are old.Its like making Joe Montana pass again,or making Muhammad Ali box again.Can you imagine a bunch of 40-year-olds chanting 'Wu-Tang Clan Aint Nuthin Ta Fuck Wit' or 'Bring Da Motherfucking Ruckus'...I mean it was classic because they had energy,they werent in the position of legends like now.They were hungry.Now,most of them have kids,wives,other projects.Imagine seeing your 40-year-old daddy on TV yelling 'Wu Tang Clan Aint Nuthin Ta Fuck Wit'.

Wu-Tang are legend,always will be.They had their chance,the result was 36 Chambers,everything after that was just expectations.They never blew their chance,never will have another chance.They'll make a banger now and then,they'll stay legends.

Thread closed.

TSA
04-16-2008, 06:49 PM
the threadstarter is saying they blew their last chance to be relevant in 2008 or ever. that they absolutely did.

as far as being legends that was solidified a long time ago and cannot be revoked no matter how much mediocre to weak shit they put out.
i really think they can shit up their legacy if they keep it up
they need to stop

cause someones gonna stop and balance the bullshit with the genius and realize that there's WAY more bullshit. It's a good think nobody heard about the existance of 8 diagrams cause then when you bring them up they'll be remembered for that "soft hippy shit" as opposed to their 36 and forever styles (and chappelle show) which everyone knows them from

dj chris
04-17-2008, 05:52 PM
did anyone go to the nyc show last night. I heard that everyone was there. Even Rza

Rame
04-17-2008, 05:58 PM
^

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54480

KERZO
05-07-2008, 10:40 AM
Theres alot of valid points in this thread. I tend not to worry about how Wu-Tang are percieved now. I see Wu-Tang as more than a band...It's only because people focus on the musical material, then there's always gonna be something to bitch about. Enjoy their back catalogue and just embrace the new stuff without having to criticise every aspect of the release...

Even if 8D aint great....It's just another stone in the chronology of the band. Real Wu-Tang fans can see that which is why we don't all bitch about it...

SikoCeLL
05-07-2008, 10:46 AM
The way 8 Diagrams went... they definitely won't make no more clan albums.. no way, they ended it pretty sad to be honest.. i like the album, but it hasn't got the heart from the clan.. what do you expect they rich now so.. oh well.