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LORD NOSE
06-16-2008, 04:07 AM
if you are bad you go to hell

if you are good you go to heaven

why do people believe this, and where did they get this belief from ?

Trismegistos
06-16-2008, 08:20 AM
I think that many have the belief that the soul is eternal and hence people that were good would go to a place that was good and vice versa.

Personally I think that to some degree that Heaven and Hell are internal and within.

11th Chamber
06-16-2008, 08:34 AM
if you are bad you go to hell

if you are good you go to heaven

why do people believe this, and where did they get this belief from ?

what do you believe happens to one who dies?

Edgar Erebus
06-16-2008, 08:43 AM
if you are bad you go to hell

if you are good you go to heaven

why do people believe this, and where did they get this belief from ?

It came with slow evolution from the presumption that righteous must be rewarded and wicked punished.

Now, because on the Earth it doesn't always come true, there must be another world where the justice would be upheld, right? (That's also the origin of Judgment Day theory).

Mic Tyson
06-16-2008, 09:02 AM
i thought white people in the church came up with the fire and brimstone bullshit a ong time ago to scare people into being christians? i know they do now

but shit, some people in hell right now, and some people in heaven too

V4D3R
06-16-2008, 09:39 AM
Heaven and Hell is a state of mind while alive or dead.

I just watched a good documentary on this on the weekend.

The Tibetan Book of the Dead - A Way of Life - narrated by Leonard Cohen.

Excellent.

LORD NOSE
06-16-2008, 12:42 PM
, and where did they get this belief from ?



everyone skipped over this part

BTTR KNG KOOL
06-16-2008, 12:48 PM
Roman-catholics prolly...

BTTR KNG KOOL
06-16-2008, 12:52 PM
i thought white people in the church came up with the fire and brimstone bullshit a ong time ago to scare people into being christians? i know they do now

but shit, some people in hell right now, and some people in heaven too


yeah u can say that

a lot of people made Hybrid versions of what they already knew + bible.

its not like only white folk combined "paganism" and bible stuff...

Urban_Journalz
06-16-2008, 03:44 PM
It's simple.

When put in the context of Heaven and Hell, reward and punishment, people always find ways to disagree with it, dodge it and cease to believe in it.

When put in terms of, "What goes around comes around", then, mystically, magically, everyone can come to common ground as far as there being truth to it.

It's all the same thing.

We KNOW that these places are real, because this Truth is within our very souls. Now, the fact of the matter is, most of us choose to ignore this Truth, forget it's impact on our lives and follow our own selfish, and most of the time shameful desires. The more you ignore the Truth, the easier it will become for one to believe that it does not exist, because the Truth will distance itself from that person as well.

It's clear that mankind not only got this from the self-incriminating soul, but also the various Holy Scriptures that have been revealed through the ages. Also, while a lot of you moan, bitch and complain about who wrote what and for what reason, the fact of the matter is, the Truth is right in front of you and the ONLY reason you debate with it, is because it goes against your own selfish whims and desires. Most of us can talk truth all day long, but when it comes to applying these rules to our lives, we see them as a hindrance rather than a helping hand. And as far as who wrote what, ask yourself that same question the next time you're reading the newspaper, or you bring forth a "statistic", or the results of a survey.

There's more truth in a fuckin' comic book than there is in most of the articles and interviews that we waste more of our lives on.

As I was saying, it's all the same thing. Cause and Effect.
You can't throw a ball of shit at someone and expect them to throw a sugar cane back. The Law doesn't work that way and it never will.

Honestly, I think the people that DON'T believe in this Truth and argue day and night as to the lack of "proof" to back up it's existence, are in truth very much believers therein. I say this, because if the resolve behind what they are saying was as strong as the tone that they used when stating their opinion, they'd just find out who was right and commit suicide.

What would stop them? I mean, since it's all bullshit, man-made and "Tales of The Ancients", then what would stop a non-believer from actually gathering their evidence? Fear? Fear of what? Fear of that which you yourself said didn't exist?? Am I the only one seeing the contradiction in this??

Now, I'm sure someone whom this description fits would put forth a multitude of bullshit excuses to defend themselves, but the fact remains that it would still be bullshit. In ANY arguement, both parties want to win, and would of course have to make more sense than the other party to do so.

The logicality in standing on the belief that these places don't exist is just a mirage.

Everything you do, good or bad, will return to you. Wether it's on this side of life, or the next. Personally, I couldn't care less who believes it or not, because the Truth, unlike most so-called men, doesn't need a cheering section to come to fruition.

:(W

Edgar Erebus
06-17-2008, 08:50 AM
everyone skipped over this part
It came with slow evolution from the presumption that righteous must be rewarded and wicked punished.

Okay?



i thought white people in the church came up with the fire and brimstone bullshit a ong time ago to scare people into being christians? i know they do now

Fire and brimstone probably yeah, but the idea of hell is much older.

Edgar Erebus
06-17-2008, 08:51 AM
Whooops, my bad, forget my last post.






http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Hell2.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Norway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Norway)

LORD NOSE
06-18-2008, 04:10 PM
It's simple.

When put in the context of Heaven and Hell, reward and punishment, people always find ways to disagree with it, dodge it and cease to believe in it.

When put in terms of, "What goes around comes around", then, mystically, magically, everyone can come to common ground as far as there being truth to it.

It's all the same thing.

We KNOW that these places are real, because this Truth is within our very souls. Now, the fact of the matter is, most of us choose to ignore this Truth, forget it's impact on our lives and follow our own selfish, and most of the time shameful desires. The more you ignore the Truth, the easier it will become for one to believe that it does not exist, because the Truth will distance itself from that person as well.

It's clear that mankind not only got this from the self-incriminating soul, but also the various Holy Scriptures that have been revealed through the ages. Also, while a lot of you moan, bitch and complain about who wrote what and for what reason, the fact of the matter is, the Truth is right in front of you and the ONLY reason you debate with it, is because it goes against your own selfish whims and desires. Most of us can talk truth all day long, but when it comes to applying these rules to our lives, we see them as a hindrance rather than a helping hand. And as far as who wrote what, ask yourself that same question the next time you're reading the newspaper, or you bring forth a "statistic", or the results of a survey.

There's more truth in a fuckin' comic book than there is in most of the articles and interviews that we waste more of our lives on.

As I was saying, it's all the same thing. Cause and Effect.
You can't throw a ball of shit at someone and expect them to throw a sugar cane back. The Law doesn't work that way and it never will.

Honestly, I think the people that DON'T believe in this Truth and argue day and night as to the lack of "proof" to back up it's existence, are in truth very much believers therein. I say this, because if the resolve behind what they are saying was as strong as the tone that they used when stating their opinion, they'd just find out who was right and commit suicide.

What would stop them? I mean, since it's all bullshit, man-made and "Tales of The Ancients", then what would stop a non-believer from actually gathering their evidence? Fear? Fear of what? Fear of that which you yourself said didn't exist?? Am I the only one seeing the contradiction in this??

Now, I'm sure someone whom this description fits would put forth a multitude of bullshit excuses to defend themselves, but the fact remains that it would still be bullshit. In ANY arguement, both parties want to win, and would of course have to make more sense than the other party to do so.

The logicality in standing on the belief that these places don't exist is just a mirage.

Everything you do, good or bad, will return to you. Wether it's on this side of life, or the next. Personally, I couldn't care less who believes it or not, because the Truth, unlike most so-called men, doesn't need a cheering section to come to fruition.

:(W

so basically you are saying that when people die, they either go to heaven or hell - depending on if they were good or bad - and you know for a fact that these places exist - and that those of us who don't believe in these places are ............fools ?

V4D3R
06-18-2008, 05:11 PM
The Tibetan Book Of The Dead

Something soothing about this - in that it deals with the mind's journey during death.
Still cannot grasp the mind/soul connection. But it's still not concrete evidence or anything. Nothing can be for this level of life/dimension/plane (life after death).

I know some here can expand on this knowledge.


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Urban_Journalz
06-20-2008, 06:43 PM
so basically you are saying that when people die, they either go to heaven or hell - depending on if they were good or bad - and you know for a fact that these places exist - and that those of us who don't believe in these places are ............fools ?

Yes.

I know these places exist for a fact, because I choose to listen to my soul, instead of an often ill-influenced and sometimes over-rationalizing brain, that came along way after my soul did.

Most people will go to one place or the other, but there will be those who have an equal balance of good and evil deeds. These people will be at a place called "The Heights", which is the border between Heaven and Hell and they will have to await Allah's decision, wether to let them serve time in Hell, or forgive them and allow them into Paradise.

The same way you've known when you were being lied to by a person, without having to take a picture of the lie, or tape-record it, to verify it to yourself, because the same soul, or so-called "gut instinct" that tells me the truth that I stated above, told you that truth that you experienced at that moment.

Fools? Yes, I'll go along with that. Even God Himself addresses such people, "Deaf, dumb and blind, they will never understand the truth." So, it's not a matter of me giving an opinion based on such people, it's more an observation of that person's character.

The people who built the Titanic, in their deep ignorance and stupidity, "knew" that this ship wouldn't sink. One of them said, "Not even God Himself coudl sink this mighty ship." For me, there's an air of comedy in this, because I can almost see Allah sitting there like, "Oh WORD?!"*D

One of the most common and disgusting, self-destructive traits that the majority of mankind has, is a faith in himself/herself, to the point that they forget their place. Again, I have to sight a verse in The Qur'an, when Allah says, "We created man from a drop of seed, yet lo! He is an open opponent!"

The bottom line though, is that it doesn't matter who believes and who doesn't, because when we're dead, then all of us will know, beyond a shadow of doubt, who spoke the truth and who spoke falsehood.

The Void
06-21-2008, 01:41 AM
Hell was created as a prison to hold Satan for using Judas to betray and kill the Son Of Man. /theory

osiris3000
06-21-2008, 01:52 PM
urban_journalz believes in a mystery god.

Koolish
06-21-2008, 03:43 PM
Judaism has no concept of heaven or hell. you live on through your children.

in the book of revelations it says that hell with spew forth its dead. and then even hell itself gets cast into the lake of fire.

LORD NOSE
06-22-2008, 02:34 AM
Yes.

I know these places exist for a fact, because I choose to listen to my soul, instead of an often ill-influenced and sometimes over-rationalizing brain, that came along way after my soul did.


ok

Most people will go to one place or the other, but there will be those who have an equal balance of good and evil deeds. These people will be at a place called "The Heights", which is the border between Heaven and Hell and they will have to await Allah's decision, wether to let them serve time in Hell, or forgive them and allow them into Paradise.


ok

The same way you've known when you were being lied to by a person, without having to take a picture of the lie, or tape-record it, to verify it to yourself, because the same soul, or so-called "gut instinct" that tells me the truth that I stated above, told you that truth that you experienced at that moment.


i've also been accused of lieing when i wasn't - and also punished for lieing when i didn't - evidence is great

Fools? Yes, I'll go along with that. Even God Himself addresses such people, "Deaf, dumb and blind, they will never understand the truth." So, it's not a matter of me giving an opinion based on such people, it's more an observation of that person's character.


ok

The people who built the Titanic, in their deep ignorance and stupidity, "knew" that this ship wouldn't sink. One of them said, "Not even God Himself coudl sink this mighty ship." For me, there's an air of comedy in this, because I can almost see Allah sitting there like, "Oh WORD?!"*D

thats funny

One of the most common and disgusting, self-destructive traits that the majority of mankind has, is a faith in himself/herself, to the point that they forget their place. Again, I have to sight a verse in The Qur'an, when Allah says, "We created man from a drop of seed, yet lo! He is an open opponent!"

ok

The bottom line though, is that it doesn't matter who believes and who doesn't, because when we're dead, then all of us will know, beyond a shadow of doubt, who spoke the truth and who spoke falsehood.


when we die, we will know - when we die, not now, but when we die we will know

V4D3R
06-22-2008, 02:35 AM
keep it up

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
06-22-2008, 12:18 PM
well since there is no actual proof of said places "heaven and hell".
then I do not know where my essence will actually go...so I live my life like "heaven and hell" were happening in the here and now.....


live my life as righteous as possible and avoid the pitfalls of devilishment.


I have no belief, itr is what I Know and Understand

Urban_Journalz
06-23-2008, 10:32 AM
urban_journalz believes in a mystery god.

Correction,

I believe in God. The same One that created you and me.

The difference is, I choose to acknowledge Him, and you don't.

Period.

LORD NOSE
09-12-2008, 09:38 AM
where do people get these beliefs from and how much weight do they truly hold ?

Black Man
09-12-2008, 11:18 AM
I Always Wonder How A Person Is Going To Use (their) "belief" To Measure Truth/knowledge, Or What Someone Else Actually Knows.

So Many Times They Say I Believe I Believe.........what Is It That You Actually Know?

And When They Don't Know And You Do, They Want To Go To War With Those Who Actually Know.

Is It Not Written In Your Law That I Said Ye Are Gods.....

WARPATH
09-12-2008, 01:27 PM
if you are bad you go to hell

if you are good you go to heaven

why do people believe this, and where did they get this belief from ?

I don't know why people believe this, I think it comes from the bible, a device used to control people. You have a book that some believe was divinely inspired by god, so you have something to control them, keep them in check.

diggy
09-12-2008, 10:58 PM
To each his own way.

THE W
09-13-2008, 08:14 AM
dont know why you guys have such a problem with God giving his people rules for how he wanted them to live.

do you guys have jobs where you can be disrespectful to your co-workers and boss and come in late or not show up when you feel like it and not get fired?

did your parents let you run around and do whatever you wanted, not being respectful to their authority while never being punished?

this is responding to those who talk about the word of God(the bible) being made to keep people in check.

Longbongcilvaringz
09-13-2008, 08:43 AM
It always struck me as odd when people said "You don't know what happens when you die, because you haven't died yet".

Because, what makes people assume, that when you die, you know you're dead.

Or that you know what "happens"?

I wonder.

SG
10-20-2008, 03:35 PM
This link starts with video 1A, these are long duration.

Hell (http://www.christian.tv/index.php?module=CTV&action=mediaCenter&cid=46&Itemid=122#)

11th Chamber
10-20-2008, 03:41 PM
what do you believe happens to one who dies?



Sunny you never answered my question.

LORD NOSE
10-20-2008, 07:00 PM
Sunny you never answered my question.

one who dies either gets burried or is cremated


....or eaten

dezmond
10-21-2008, 12:36 PM
........Or frozen........

SG
10-21-2008, 04:17 PM
Hell another version (http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?printable=true&articleId=211653)

J-Cee
10-24-2008, 03:07 AM
What is hell and what is heaven?Someone explain what these places are if they are places indeed before telling me i'll go to one or the other if i don't have faith...

SG
10-25-2008, 10:25 AM
The idea of Heaven and Hell is borrowed from another religion and only taught in the last 30% of the Bible!

In fact, the concept of both heaven and hell didnít even exist in most of the Bible period. It started becoming part of the Bible in the last third of it. While it is vague whether the concept of an afterlife with God was part of the Jewish scriptures, the concept of a hell for sinners was definitely not part of the Jewish tradition. It evolved into the Bible, beginning with the time of Daniel. At that time, the Jews were living in captivity of the Persians, who had a religion called Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism is known by religious historians as the first religion to have a concept of heaven and hell. Do you see the connection now? The Bible originally didnít have such a concept UNTIL the Jews met with followers of Zoroastrianism, which did have the concept. That means the concept was ADOPTED FROM ANOTHER RELIGION!

Zoroaster (http://www.happierabroad.com/Debunking_Christian_Arguments/Page28.htm)

Heaven and hell (http://science.jrank.org/pages/7743/Heaven-Hell.html)

J-Cee
10-25-2008, 02:27 PM
if killing and raping is heavenly to me,does that send me to my heaven?

LORD NOSE
10-10-2009, 01:50 PM
what do you believe happens to one who dies?


i don't know

Longbongcilvaringz
10-11-2009, 07:54 AM
Anyone else glad that the brilliant imbecile Urban_Journalz (http://wutang-corp.com/forum/member.php?u=46380) no longer posts?

Uncle Steezo
10-12-2009, 08:03 PM
wow sean, you are a real thread nazi.
not every post has to agree with your set of values and mindset.

differing opinions makes the conversation interesting.

DrBold241
10-13-2009, 10:27 AM
why do people believe this, and where did they get this belief from ?

fear of death.

PALEFORCE
10-13-2009, 10:44 AM
fear of death i think is the main motivating factor for all the wickedness in the world. a trick played by the devil

DrBold241
10-13-2009, 11:32 AM
by the devil?
more like corrupted men seeking power.
but by that i don't mean original sin or any of that other mumbo jumbo either.
i believe everyone is a good person from birth (humanist) but not everyone lives out to that inner potential. some become corrupt. such as the church.