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claaa7
06-23-2008, 10:08 AM
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01. Campfire
02. Take It Back
03. Get Them Out Ya Way Pa
04. Rushing Elephants
05. Unpredictable (ft. Dexter Wiggles)
06. The Heart Gently Weeps (ft. Erykah Badu)
07. Wolves (ft. George Clinton)
08. Gun Will Go (ft. Sunny Valentine)
09. Sunlight
10. Stick Me For My Riches (ft. Gerald Alston)
11. Starter (ft. Sunny Valentine)
12. Windmill
13. Weak Spot
14. Life Changes
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15. Tar Pit (ft. George Clinton)
16. 16th Chamber / O.D.B. Special

claaa7
06-23-2008, 10:30 AM
Wu-Tang Clan – 8 Diagrams

I can’t remember the last time I had a new hip-hop album in rotation as long as I’ve had Wu-Tang Clan’s 5th offering 8 Diagrams since its December release date. Although The RZA (who handles 90% of the albums production) brings in lots of new flavours to the traditional Wu-Tang sound, such as live-instruments, sung choruses and slow-paced grooves there is always a control of the chaos. The sound that made Wu-Tang Clan into what they are is also evident throughout most of the album although it’s updated to fit its time (or even ahead of it). Sure the tempo is slower and more dragging and the drums might not hit as hard as they once did but that’s just the chamber they went for with this one.
As I said there are many new elements that might seem strange or out-of-place on a Wu-Tang Clan album but at the same time RZA incorporates more of the vintage Wu elements than either The W or Iron Flag had. For example the LP features the illest and dustiest Kung Fu flick samples since maybe the classic ’93 debut album and the grittiness is evidenced on many of the songs. 8 Diagrams run smooth as water and every single track connects with the next one from the intro to outro, which is what separates an album from a collection of new songs (like the groups previous outing Iron Flag sounded like).
The vocal performances of the now 8-members group is mostly positive as well, especially Method Man, U-God and Ghostface Killah sound better, hungrier and more confident than they have done in years. It’s like they’re on a mission combining great and witty wordplay with aggressive and energetic flows. The downside is that this leads to other members of the posse getting outshined though, The RZA, Cappadonna, Inspectah Deck and even The Genius/GZA gives us weaker efforts than we’re used to hear from them. Ghostface only appears on three of the albums 14 songs which is a shame since he is one of the most prominent rappers in the group and his performances on here are all brilliant.
There is also a lot of singing going on in about half of the albums songs which isn’t exactly a trademark of Wu-Tang Clan and although it works and actually brings something good to the table on a few of the tracks, some of them would have came out much better without it.

01. Campfire
A perfect way to start the album, while RZA slowly starts building up the musical landscape a 1 minute long dialogue from the movie 8 Diagram Pole Fighter make up the intro. Unexpectedly it’s not the usual samurai showdown but instead a conversation of how to improve and make your life better. Since the production is dark, gritty and sounding evil as hell (complete with a haunting distorted vocal sample of Curtis Mayfield) the intro might sound a bit contradictionary but still works.
As soon as the heavy bass and smacking drums kicks in and Method Man starts his verse you know it’s a wrap. In just 8 bars he totally murders the track which is followed up by an equally short but powerful verse from Ghostface; “On anything that RZA drops Ironman’s invincible/ I left my chick for cheating on me, now the bitch is miserable” he drops hungry enough to start almost before Meth even finishes.
The whole sound of this song (vocals and production) feels like it could’ve slipped through the cracks of a Wu-Tang recording in the mid-‘90s and will definitely gain a classic status in a couple of years. 10/10

02. Take it Back
Lyrically this might be the strongest cut on 8 Diagrams, Raekwon, Inspectah Deck, Ghostface Killah and U-God all goes head-to-head to eat up this track. They all do it so well it’s hard to core a winner but we could all agree that we haven’t heard U-God perform this raw since ‘97s Wu-Tang Forever. At the end of the day I have to say it’s Ghost that steals the show declaring “we’re like rebel niggas powdered up, wilding in the streets of Liberia” – wow, that’s the hardest shit I’ve heard in a good while.
The hook is performed by Meth and Uey going back-and-forth and is another great point on the track; it’s catchy but still rock-hard, reminding me of classic hooks such as “Winter Warz” and “Ice Cream”, telling us they’re still number 1.
Using an outside producer on a Wu-Tang album was a big no-no in the early days but in 2007 Easy Mo Bee creates a real Wu-banga sampling the same track that was used for “Daytona 500”, mainly focusing on a dirty guitar-loop. The name of the song is highly appropriate since it has all the right elements of a classic sounding Wu-Tang joint, it’s stripped down, raw and aggressive – proving that you don’t have to be from the Wu-elements to capture the style. 9/10

03. Get Them Out Ya Way Pa’
This is where the album takes off to the left and it took me a while to really start appreciating it. “Get Them Out Ya Way Pa” is a slow-paced song that is heavily driven by bass-guitars, unexpected drum effects and all sorts of weird sounds going on in the background.
The song is dominated by the two MVP’s of the album, Method Man and U-God, who both spit very inspired verses about life in the streets of Staten Island, New York. Especially Meth is totally insane on this one, coming with a flow that suits the slow groove of the production perfect and dropping a verse full of quotable lines such as: “little niggas hugging the block, cops is booking em/ women hugging they purse when they spot the crook in them”.
Masta Killa makes his first appearance on this song and since he has very calm voice and sound it’s like this song was made for him, his closing lines is just perfect: “take cover - over RZA instrumental I’m damn near invincible, it’s simple”. Complete with another Kung Fu movie sample at the end, “Get Them Out Ya Way Pa” comes off as one of the greatest and most original songs on the whole album, despite me thinking it was the weakest link when I first heard it. 10/10

04. Rushing Elephants
Rushing Elephants is vintage hardcore Wu-Tang music that easily would have fitted back-to-back with a song like “For Heaven’s Sake” from Wu-Tang Forever. The tempo is high, the bass is really thumping and the drum-kicks are as hard as they get, allowing some of the most prominent MC’s in the clan totally shred the beat to pieces.
Raekwon once again show us why he’s called the slangmaster, Masta Killa burry the track in 40 seconds and GZA’s verse is just plain incredible; “we criticize producers till there joints are right then acupuncture the track with pinpoints of light” is a personal favourite. The flip-coin is RZA’s verse which has a few weak lines and at the end of the day it doesn’t even make much sense at all. I feel that while Prince Rakeem did a great job on the albums production his flow and lyrics are weaker than we’re used to.
Still, I have a hard time believing that anybody that’s been a fan of the Wu-Tang Clan’s first two albums could possibly not like “Rushing Elephants”. Certified Wu-banga! 10/10

05. Unpredictable
If the term musical chaos doesn’t mean nothing to you, you’ll get the point of it before “Unpredictable” is over. I believe this record is one of the most hated Wu-Tang songs of all time and it seems people either love it or hate it. It is unpredictable and it is different, the heavy bass guitar (played by Shavo) and chopping sounds might make you wonder if there’s something wrong with your CD-player. But you know what? This sounds extremely Wu-Tang, although RZA uses totally different elements to manage to get that sound, it has the dark, gritty and chaotic genius that made a song like “4th Chamber” a classic. I’m not saying that “Unpredictable” is as good as the song just mentioned but you get the point.
If you heard Inspectah Deck’s Resident Patient you will notice that his verse is re-used from a song there, but it really doesn’t matter to me since he sound so god damn great on this beat, and the verse is full of lines worth to be quoted. “The lifestyles of fiends and beam, big dreams and C.R.E.A.M., bitches ride like the scream machine/ for a taste of it the chick strip clean out their jeans, next thing she was smuggling coke between the seems” is a perfect example of the vintage type of lyrics that made Rebel INS world famous.
RZA doesn’t sound nearly as nice on here, while he has a couple of good lines he doesn’t manage to connect the dots and his verse is hard to understand as a whole. The chorus could and should also have been better, using another singer, but despite these minuses the song is a real banger for me and the total vibe of it is crazy, it has a little Wu-Tang meet The Prodigy sound. 9/10

06. The Heart Gently Weeps
Wu-Tang meets The Beatles; a wise idea or straight up bullshit?
I definitely think its working and it is a good song but would probably fitted better on a solo album, a soundtrack or compilation. To drop such a weird and different song as the first single of the Clan’s first album in 6 years is not how you stay true to your fan which is a very important aspect of making music.
The track is based around George Harrison’s “My Guitar Gently Weeps” but it features all live instruments rather than a sample of the song. It is actually a very soft song, the drums are as far from boom-bap you’ll get and the light guitar makes this sound like a real cross-over song. It’s definitely better than anything playing on the charts right now though.
Lyrically it’s as well as the opposite of the musical part, Rae, Ghost and Meth trade verses dealing with stories of drug-trade and cold-blooded murder and parts of it are full of curses. They all do a great job on the mic but once again its Ghostface that steals the show with his vivid flow and cinematic stories: “I wrestled him to the ground, tussled, scuffled, constantly kicked him/ he wouldn’t let go off the joint, SO I FUCKING BIT HIM!”
Personally I like the song but maybe it should have been used as a bonus-track on the album instead. 8/10

07. Wolves
This would be a better choice for first single, another joint sounding like it possibly could have been made around the time of Wu-Tang Forever. RZA uses a banging bass-line, some hard drums, the voice of George Clinton and about 3-4 different samples to make up this cut and the result is awesome, sounding much better than the ‘disco version’ that leaked before the album release.
Once again the tag-team of Method Man, U-God and Masta Killa make the line-up and all three is shining like “tomorrow is there last (day)”. Method Man’s flow is totally ridiculous, maybe giving his most inspired moment in nearly 10 years time, displaying a breath-control that is out of this world.
By the time the beat switches to a psychedelic break-beat for Masta Killa to rhyme over you know that this is a future classic, it has all the elements needed for one. 10/10

08. Gun Will Go
A slow-paced, dark, grimy and weird musical experience driven by a acoustic guitar played by RZA himself and a climax of string-play simultaneously with the sung chorus. Raekwon opens up the song with smart punchlines such as “our shit is art, yours is traced” and is followed by Method Man who delivers another killer verse; I truly don’t think Mef have sounded this good since his debut album “Tical”. RZA plays with effects during this verse and at one point Mef’s voice is overlapped by echoes of himself which sounds brilliant.
The beat-switch during Masta’s verse is phenomenal and flows very smoothly from the first and back again although it is clearly different. Someone said it was similar to an 80’s breakbeat ala Marley Marl which isn’t totally wrong.
Sunny Valentine is the name of the man who sings the chorus and my first impression was that he tried to sound like Akon, which is a horrible sound on a Wu-Tang record. His voice ain’t as bad as I first made it to be but the lyrics has no place on the album; “this is the way that we rollin’ in the clubs”. With another chorus it would have gotten a perfect score. 9/10

09. Sunlight
“Sunlight” is actually a solo joint by The RZA, a religious and spiritual song following the footsteps of previous classics such as “12 Jewels”, “Sunshower” and “A Day to God”. On 8 Diagrams it does seem out of place though and especially in the middle of the album, it sounds mostly like a long intermission since it has no real drums and the music being made up of haunting vocal samples and wind-blowing sounds.
Lyrically RZA talks about the greatness of Allah and how he’s responsible for everything in this world and if you’re not a religious person this might not be enjoyable to listen to at all. I have to say that it is very well produced, the music sounds almost spooky and definitely made an impact on me – I just think that this would have sounded better as an intro, interlude or outro on “The Cure”. 8/10

10. Stick Me For My Riches
Mathematics produced this one although it doesn’t sound very much like it; it’s somewhere between ‘70s soul-music and today’s southern hip-hop since the ultra-fast hi-hats are turned up extremely loud.
A couple years ago I wouldn’t believe that a joint featuring Method Man, Inspectah Deck, The RZA and GZA/Genius could be the weakest track of a Wu-Tang album but besides Mef they all do far below average for their status. Inspectah Deck goes for a southern type of flow which doesn’t fit him at all, RZA have barely been good throughout the whole album and GZA clearly dumb-down his lyrics on this song. Besides that Meth’s verse is poorly recorded, the music overlaps his voice at some points which is a shame because of ill lines like; “I was raised in these mean streets, you know where poverty and hell be/ brothers get jail and life is for sell cheap”.
For the record they have also brought in Gerald Alston, the lead-singer of R&B group The Manhattans who had a few hit-singles during the 1970’s. I’m the first to admit that he has a strong voice that fits the mood of the record very well, but besides the chorus (which is repeated 3-4 times during the song) he is given the 1st verse and the outro. It’s just way too much singing on one song from the Clan, it would have sounded better if they cut out his first verse and just left the chorus.
So while the beat is pretty strong and Methtical drops another quality verse, the other MC’s disappoint and the song has way too much singing going on it’s good to listen to but not much more. 7/10

11. Starter
RZA re-uses a sample from “Certified Samurai” that was released the same year as 8 Diagrams but that doesn’t really matter to me since it’s being used very well on “Starter” too. The beat is classic Wu-Tang; hard drum-kicks, heavy bass and unexpected sound-effects incorporated this is another production that I could see on Wu-Tang Forever without anybody complaining the least about it.
Lyrically this sounds pretty misplaced on here though, it’s a song about the love for females, (especially in a club environment) but is not performed in the great fashion of cuts such as “Ice Cream”, “All I Need” or even “Mariah”. Street Life and U-God has ill verses but what the fuck GZA is doing on here is beyond my understanding. He would never have been on a track like this in the mid-‘90s (it just isn’t him) but now when he reached 40 he lays his horny fantasies to wax – his line; “overlooking that bible she continues to sin” is great though.
Ok so the beat is fantastic, 3 out of 4 verses are nice which makes it a banger but unfortunately RZA has invited some horrible singers to perform the chorus. To quote Hip-Hop Connection they sound like they are straight from American Idol. 7/10

12. Windmill
It seems the fantastic start of the album slowed down a bit with tracks 9-11 but with “Windmill” it’s back to basics with one of the strongest points of the album. This is a real gem which should appeal to any Wu-Tang fan out there, RZA mash together samples of “Diary of a Madman” with Nancy Sinatra’s “Bang Bang” (from the Kill Bill Vol. 1 soundtrack) over some classic drum-producing and an ill guitar played by John Frusicante of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
This is also as close to a posse-cut we get with 8 Diagrams since it features 6 out of 9 members all going berserk on the mic. Raekwon opens up with some strong slanged out goodies which is followed by GZA who seems to be more or less back in shape for this one.
Masta Killa spits a re-used verse from his solo “Older God’s II” but since that was a terrible record this beat actually makes the great verse justice here.
To close up Method Man comes in and totally smashes the song in only 8 bars and once again he’s incredible flow and witty lyrics are worth a mention; “in living proof I’m the wittiest, unpredictable, most talented rap muthafucka you ever listened to”. Even Cappadonna, who have sound really uninspired over the last years, has a nice 8 bar verse at the very end of the song; “go to school fucked up, it’s Africa Island/ we poor in the bricks but inside there’s nothing but talent”. Nuff said. 10/10

13. Weak Spot
Rumours says this might have been made for Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II and it features more of the classic Wu-Tang sound, complete with the best Kung Fu flick samples I’ve heard since “Severe Punishment”. The track is actually co-produced by one of Hollywood’s greatest movie-score composers but comes off as the dirtiest and most rugged joint on the whole album. Just listen how the beat breaks down totally unexpectedly in the middle of Raekwon’s verse.
Lyrically RZA drops his greatest verse of the album, same goes for Raekwon and GZA/Genius who both make an incredible job. Especially the latter uses his whole verse describing a game of chess as a metaphor for battling MC’s; “My opponent’s base is threatened, soldiers cut with shanks/ moved all my small pieces, MC’s are driven back”. 10/10

14. Life Changes
The official tribute to the deceased member Ol’ Dirty Bastard is a 7 minutes long emotional journey through the minds of the Wu-Tang Clan. The beat is created around a sample of “The Road We Didn’t Take” by Freda Payne and a vocal sample from there makes up the chorus which is repeated twice between every 8-bar verse. This sound like it would be very repetitive and it is but for some reason it actually works, the sample is full of soul and emotions and fit the purpose of this song very well.
Every verse is great and heartfelt although they all should have performed a 16-bars verse each. I could quote every verse here, it’s just that good.
Right after U-God’s verse the beat gets a new life and the drums change up while RZA take the mic to deliver the closing verse which focuses on the life and times of Russel Jones instead of the mourning of his death.
It’s a shame that Ghostface didn’t make the song for whatever reason, which would have completed the circle, but without him the song sounds a bit incomplete. 9/10

Lyrics: 8/10 Music: 10/10 Overall: 9/10

Hollow Dartz
06-23-2008, 10:48 AM
I'm merging this thread....

claaa7
06-23-2008, 11:25 AM
what does merging mean?? I searched through all the pages in the review-section and there were no 8 Diagrams thread, I think it got lost when the sub-forum was deleted.

Hollow Dartz
06-23-2008, 12:50 PM
Yeah, nevermind.

Maccabee Ridah
06-23-2008, 01:03 PM
Yo guyz, I say 9 - Superior!!!!
Classic album tho' there r lots of negative critics, still album is almost masterpiece...........!!!
Beats were sooo fuckin sick, classics.........
Lyrics were dope too.................

So at all, very very good, let's say great album................

I will take my time in a few dayz and wright full review of it.......!!!


Peace.........................
-suuuuuuuuu///

Dissonance
06-23-2008, 01:17 PM
Good review. The hate this gets is pretty funny. To me there is only a few things I don't enjoy:
Starter, is a waste of a track, just a stupid choice.

Get them out ya way is ok, it grew on me somewhat but could have been replaced by something better.

Life change is weird, I like it but it might have been better. I think Rza might have just used the simple beat so everyone could rhyme however they wanted on it. I also blame Ghost for his missing appearance. Both Rza and Meth are 100x busier than him and they made time.

Watch your mouth should be on the damn album. with Ugod and Rza's verses.


other than that the rest is good to me and has tons of replay value

Hollow Dartz
06-23-2008, 01:53 PM
^^Ghost said Rza never sent him the track.

claaa7
06-23-2008, 01:54 PM
^^ yeah but it's been the same with most Wu albums, both Wu-Tang Forever and The W was hated on when they first dropped but now people has realised how good they actually are.. Iron Flag is the only sub-par Clan album IMO.

Wu-Tang Gambino
06-23-2008, 03:11 PM
7/10. It was a good album but it could have been great.

Come Honor Face
06-23-2008, 03:13 PM
^^Ghost said Rza never sent him the track.

That track is old. It was done long before the 8 Diagrams sessions. Ghost has said he didn't get on it cuz Rza had no idea what, if any album it would appear on. Ghost also claimed he didn't even know Rza was putting it on the album until Rza decided they should perform the song live on tour. However, I have to add that that was long before the album actually dropped. Like 4 months before. Hmmm......

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
06-23-2008, 09:45 PM
^^ yeah but it's been the same with most Wu albums, both Wu-Tang Forever and The W was hated on when they first dropped but now people has realised how good they actually are.. Iron Flag is the only sub-par Clan album IMO.

i still love iron flag it had a good vibe to it but i think the w was more wu-esq

claaa7
06-24-2008, 05:01 AM
^^ yeah I agree with you, I still think "Iron Flag" is a good album but compared to the others it dont stand up..

Fright
06-25-2008, 04:27 AM
8 diagrams is a great album, but in some tracks like wolves, rushin elephants, unpredictable there are lack of sub-bass,RZA could made strong bass lines, but still album is superior, i wrote a full review in another 8 diagrams topic, but it has lost, idk.

LuckyTheWonderDog
06-25-2008, 04:34 AM
I'm not gonna argue about whether the album is good or bad or whatever, cos that's personal opinion, I just can't see how some of the tracks get the ratings they do given some of the negative comments you make about them.

"Ok so the beat is fantastic, 3 out of 4 verses are nice which makes it a banger but unfortunately RZA has invited some horrible singers to perform the chorus. To quote Hip-Hop Connection they sound like they are straight from American Idol."

For me any track I felt that about could not achieve an 8/10 rating.

I personally give 8/10 for an amazing, near flawless track, 9/10 for a track that's basically as good as the genre has ever been, and 10/10 for a track that is one of the chosen few greatest songs of all time.

As for the album, I haven't got time for an in depth review and I'll be honest, I'd only make the time if I really loved the album, but I'll give it 6/10.

claaa7
06-25-2008, 05:10 AM
^^ i actually thought about that before when it comes to "Starter" and it deserves a 7 from me.. I mean I like it alot though the singing fuck up the track, but you're rite 8 is a bit too high.

Maccabee Ridah
06-25-2008, 07:18 AM
^^ I am more curious how the fuck could some1 either vote that this is Masterpiece or Wack.....??!!

It is very good album, but far from being Masterpiece, and also too good to even be rated as Weak, and there is some1 voted it is Wack....:D


Peace..........................
-suuuuuuuuuuu///

LuckyTheWonderDog
06-25-2008, 07:21 AM
A lot of people rate anything they like 10/10 and anything they don't like 1/10.

prom
06-26-2008, 01:41 PM
http://www.zshare.net/download/10221290d9da4c50/

Maccabee Ridah
06-26-2008, 02:05 PM
http://www.zshare.net/download/10221290d9da4c50/

WTF is that..??!?!


Peace.................
-suuuuu///

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
06-30-2008, 12:36 AM
http://www.zshare.net/download/10221290d9da4c50/

yo wtf why u posting your demo here this isn't the section duke get cha shit together

Spilledge
07-03-2008, 02:40 AM
dopeness has came across once again shit this fuckin album compared too all of the albums that came out since 02 of any artist come on now this is dopeness like i said

Come Honor Face
07-03-2008, 03:59 AM
If it werent for some wack hooks (wolves, Starter, Heat Gently weeps) and some pretty uninspired verses. Thos album could have been a classic! As it is it's a 9/10 for me. Great album that could have been classic. I do kinda see where Rae and Ghost are coming from on the live instruments though. Windmill is an incredible track! However, it would be even better if that bassline wasn't so distorted sounding.

Maccabee Ridah
07-03-2008, 07:49 AM
^^ I like sunlight a lot...... I am listenin to it almost every day!

claaa7
07-03-2008, 07:58 AM
^^ "Sunlight" is a nice track but I much rather had "You Can't Stop me Now" with the original Ghost verse on there instead. "Sunlight" is what an intro to "The Cure" should sound like IMO.

Maccabee Ridah
07-03-2008, 09:12 PM
^^ "Sunlight" is a nice track but I much rather had "You Can't Stop me Now" with the original Ghost verse on there instead. "Sunlight" is what an intro to "The Cure" should sound like IMO.

I must co-sign this! I guess that type of song (Sunshower, Sunlight) should be intro or the first track on The Cure! It would be dope......


Peace...............
-suuuuuuuuu///

Jin10304
07-03-2008, 09:16 PM
Sunshower would be too damn long lol, Sunlight would be a better fit

JRoll
07-04-2008, 09:50 PM
1. Campfire - (5/5) Evweryone goes hard here, with Meth shining. Beat is good. Great opening track.

2. Take It Back - (5/5) Second album single. U-God shines. Beat is awesome. My favorite track off the album

3. Get Them Out Ya Way Pa - (4/5) Beat is good. Lyrics is ok, good song.

4. Rushing Elephants - (4/5) Raekwon comes correct. Not sure about the beat. Good song nonetheless.

5. Unpredictable - (5/5) Deck rips this shit. Chorus is on point. One of the shining stars of the album.

6. The Heart Gently Weeps - (4/5) First single. Ok song. Ghost does a good job telling the story.

7. Wolves - (5/5) My second favorite track. Wu classic. Uey takes this track. Beat is excellent. So is George.

8. Gun Will Go - (5/5) Eery, haunted house type beat. Nice and slow. Rae murders this joint.

9. Sunlight - (4/5) Beat is awesome, but the shit he says is iffy

10. Stick Me for My Riches - (5/5) One of my favs. Chorus is great. RZA's verse at the end kills.

11. Starter - (3/5) Wack beat, wack content. However it is listenable.

12. Windmill - (5/5) Has that classic Wu sound.

13. Weak Spot - (4/5) Beat is meh. Everyone rhymes well, I like the little ODB outro at the end.

14. Life Changes - (5/5) Where is Ghost?

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63/70

5/5

Classic shit.

Track Picks - Campfire, Take It Back, Unpredictable, Wolves, Gun Will Go, Stick Me For My Riches, Windmill, Life Changes

Maccabee Ridah
07-05-2008, 07:57 AM
^^ The Heart Gently Weeps = Sunlight????????!!!!

I doubt it....!!!!!

JRoll
07-05-2008, 01:39 PM
I didn't say they equaled each other.

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
07-07-2008, 02:54 AM
If it werent for some wack hooks (wolves, Starter, Heat Gently weeps) and some pretty uninspired verses. Thos album could have been a classic! As it is it's a 9/10 for me. Great album that could have been classic. I do kinda see where Rae and Ghost are coming from on the live instruments though. Windmill is an incredible track! However, it would be even better if that bassline wasn't so distorted sounding.

agree with what you mention plus i feel like sunlight didn't fit but it did bridge the album nicely though so yeah 9/10

favorite songs:

Campfire
Take It Back
Rushing Elephants
Unpreditctable
Weak Spot

D-Infinite
07-07-2008, 09:40 AM
On 8 Diagrams, i LOVE Campfire, Take It Back, Rushing Elephants, Wolves, Gun Will Go, Weak Spot, Windmill. All Wu Bangers.

Maccabee Ridah
07-07-2008, 10:04 AM
Nobody loves Sunlight...??!?! Damn guyz, that shyt is crazy! I'm really feelin it.........
Beat is awesome, and lyrics r really great for album standards...:D


Peace.................
-suuuuuuuuuu///

Shallah Diamonds
07-11-2008, 05:26 PM
the thing that killed this album was the lack of cohesion and communication between the generals
these songs make great-okay stand alone singles
but put together make a weird album
Some of them however were straight shit sandwiches
They all should have stepped up to swing their swords much harder than this after a 6 year hiatus...

Ritter
07-11-2008, 05:35 PM
The things that don't belong on this album -

George Clinton on Tar Pit

Tupperware

Dexter Wiggles

Ghost's Absence on the tribute

Ghots's overall absence

The things that fit perfectly -

Erykah Badu

Sunny Valentine (at least on Gun Will Go)

Gun Will Go

Energy that shifts in colors

Sunlight

Meth's charisma

Pinpoint of light track acupuncture (Thanks B-Rock)

beautifulrock
07-11-2008, 05:44 PM
^^ don't forget criticizing producers until they joints are right then acupuncture the track with pinpoints of light.

Ritter
07-11-2008, 05:52 PM
^^ don't forget criticizing producers until they joints are right then acupuncture the track with pinpoints of light.

Thanks, edited the post.

Xerogravity
07-25-2008, 08:47 PM
just giving my quick two cents on this album, before i actually give a full review on it. 8 Diagrams was extremely hard for me to listen to when i first got it, and now that i've had it for some time, i have days where i can listen to it in its entirety, and other days when i cant stand certain tracks.

IMO: bringing Steve Rifkind in to handle this project wasn't a bad idea, but I personally believe that he talked the whole clan into making 8 diagrams what it is. RZA can produce some sick beats when he wants to, but I believe he wanted to expand his talent to let the industry know: "hey, i CAN make those kinda beats too!!!" RZA has nothing to prove really, since he's already an established producer. I still contemplate if 8 Diagrams is a mockery to the current trend of hip hop, because it sure sounds like it...on the flipside, the sound on this album was probably done to attract more fans to the Wu, so that's what i think of this album...definately long overdue, since WTF was the last time they had a solid album as a group.

honestly, i would like to cop a remix version of this album with Muggs on the production. He killed it on Grandmasters, so i know he would murder 8 Diagrams if RZA gave him the green light to remix the album.

Xerogravity
07-25-2008, 08:52 PM
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FYI: this is one of two album covers for this album...i personally think this cover sux, so i bought the album with the other cover, which doesn't feature the crew members on it.

Hollow Dartz
07-26-2008, 01:17 AM
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01. Campfire
Ok, so the Wu-Tang Clan are back with their long overdue album. 7 Years people, so we have a Kung-Fu intro, singing, then the beat drops. Method Man is first at bat and he comes cool, but he has some weak lines here and there "Timberland & Timberlake", after that Ghostface Killah comes in and just smashes this joint completely, his absence really hurts this album, and last but not least we have Cappadonna, I wasn't really feeling this verse at all, he couldve came better on a beat like this. The Beat was real nice I might add, not what I was expecting for a clan album but good. 3.5/5

02. Take It Back
Ok, this joint is smooth-hard hitter right here, Beat drops and Raekwon just goes in and murks the beat, nothing more to ask for he proves he still is a heavyweight on the mic. Next up is Inspectah Deck and he rips it aswell, the hook is simple but just right for this type of track and after that Ghostface just goes in again, my favorite line is "We Like Rebelled Niggaz Powered Up Wilding In The Streets Of Nigeria" he easily took it with that line, and next up is what we've all been waiting for, you have U-God who just dropped one of the weakest Wu releases of all time (Mr. Xcitement) we have to hope he doesn't come weak, but when he comes in he just rips this shit with no problem, he shuts all his critics up and tears this beat to shreds. This without a doubt is one of the high points of the album. 5/5

03. Get Them Out Ya Way Pa
When I first heard this joint I was like Wtf? But Meth comes in and spits some Ill dartz and they are hard without a doubt, the hook is just right nothing too special here, then U-God goes in, I must say I'm really feeling his verse on here very quotable, he's just flowing spitting ill dartz, he comes off flawless on this joint. I don't like how Masta Killa comes in with all those sound effects, but nevertheless he still delivers on his part and doesn't kill the flow of the track. 4.5/5

04. Rushing Elephants
Ok, this joint right here, you can tell this is going to be a banger, and Raekwon just takes the torch and goes in with it, Lyrics are on point, I really don't know why ya'll hatin on him, when he's on the majority of your favorite tracks, I must admit Gza is aight on here, I'm not really excited about his verse, I was more like Ok, next verse, and Rza when I first this joint sounded so wack, but as I started to listen it still sound kind of shakey but aiight, he had an average verse on this joint, Masta Killa saves the track and spits, but it sounds like something I've heard before, it's all good, still a banger, nothing more nothing less. 4/5

05. Unpredictable (ft. Dexter Wiggles)
This is some straight up Rock N Roll shit, sounds real wack, This was supposed to be on Cuban Linx 2??? SMH I'm glad Raekwon used his brain on this joint, I understand most cats on here are white fanboys so ya'll might feel this shit. I'm not, Inspectah Deck with the re-used verse (See Get Ya weight Up), I really don't like that, then you have Dexter Wiggles...wack on this joint, Rza's verse was aiight, this track is skippable in many ways. 3/5

06. The Heart Gently Weeps (ft. Erykah Badu)
Wtf, is this shit? Do we really need to hear Wu-Tang Redo a beatles track? Erykah Badu, didn't sound right as I thought she would on this joint, so I'm already kinda lost, Raekwon is my nigga but he stole Gza's style on this one (Sounds Real Bored on the Mic). I wasn't really paying attention to his verse at all, Ghostface delivers a classic tale about a nigga actin up at the market, Method Man really sounds outta place on this joint, by this time I'm already walking up to hit skip on the stereo. 3.5/5

07. Wolves (ft. George Clinton)
I'm not even gonna lie, when I first heard this shit, I hit skip, but I listened to it and U-God goes in and rips this track "Sharkskin Armor"' is my favorite line on here, George Clinton is talking his usual shit, Method Man comes in with a good verse, and George Clinton comes in talking bullshit, but I'm not really feeling the beat switch up or the way Masta Killa starts off his verse, he ends it off cool, but this is still some average material. 3.5/5

08. Gun Will Go (ft. Sunny Valentine)
Yeah, I slept on this track, this is some smooth criminal shit, and RAEKWON kills this shit again, whole verse is quotable and I'm feeling the hook on this joint, he does a good job (Sunny Valentine) Method Man ripped this shit aswell, he should've came this hard on 4:21 on some real, Masta Killa comes in accompanied by another beat switch up, but this times it's right and he goes in, I love how he starts his verse off during the switch up, this was a winning track right here, and Sunny goes in aswell LOL. 5/5

09. Sunlight
What can I say about this track, just average material could've been left off the album, Why does Rza get another Solo track? He flows better than he did on some other tracks I can give him credit for that, this beat is boring and slow awell. 3.5/5

10. Stick Me For My Riches (ft. Gerald Alston)
The beat is cool, but TOO much singing on this track, the verses haven't even dropped and I'm ready to turn this shit off. Anyways Method Man rips this shit as usual, I'm really not feeling the hook on this joint either, 2nd verse? I didn't even know that was Deck at first, he came hard on this joint I must say though, his voice was fucked up though, Rza on this joint flowing, he sounds cool until "It's a cold cold world ........" Then he comes back in and rips it, Gza comes hard on this joint, but too much singing on here and Gza tryna sing? NO. 3.5/5

11. Starter (ft. Sunny Valentine)
The beat on this track is hot, but wtf is all this singing, I can see this is as a video where this is based on a Womens Basketball league Streetlife is a coach for one team, U-God is the other coach, Gza is the commentator, Deck is a referee, Cappadonna a Mascot, anyways Streetlife kills this shit with his calm flow, but WTF is Gza doing on here, he sounds so out of place, if I was a female I would STOP tricking after I heard his verse, Deck comes nice on this joint, and U-God spits some Mr.Xcitement shit on here "All my independent women time to let ya hair down" LOL. The singing is aiight, beat is on point, but a Gza replacement would've been nice, WTF is a kung Fu sample doing on here? I'll give this a 4 on a good day. But 8/10 times I'm skipping this track. 3.5/5

12. Windmill
The Beat on this track is right, RAEKWON kills this shit again, flawless with the lyrics on here, he did his thing, Gza came correct on this joint aswell, I was actually into his verse, had some nice dartz, Masta Killa rips this shit to shreds aswell, this is going good, Inspectah Deck went in on here flow and lyrically, I was definitely feeling his verse, then Method Man comes in, I wasn't expecting him at all but he makes a statement on here, then Cappadonna comes in and just kills the momentum, verse was shitty, could've been left of for sure, besides that, a great track. 4.5/5


13. Weak Spot
Yo This is my shit right here, I first heard the strings I'm like oh shit, Rza killed this track i must say, he's spitting some ill shit and I'm definitely think 5 star immediately, RAEKWON just comes in and takes over this track, "running through the city like you batman, still you so pussy like catwoman" LOL killed that shit man, Gza couldn't even follow up to that, he still came correct though, but after the Raekwon verse you still like damn. Gza came right though, Beat is on point aswell. 5/5

14. Life Changes
This track should've been better, beat is aiight, NO GHOSTFACE, that's already 1 point off the track, Each clan member sheds their feelings on the track, but Rza's verse sounds weak, then all this shit going on at the end of the track just kills it for me, I already hit skip. No Disrespcect. R.I.P. O.D.B. Raekwon has the best verse "You was the chess piece on the board that made us look true" ill shit... 3.5/5

Beats - 4/5
Lyrics - 4/5
Overall - 4/5

This one was long overdue, the beats sound.....so different, a new RZA, he experimenting on this joint mad crazy, some beats came out on point, some are just average, others doo doo. Lyrics are pretty solid, although I disappointed by Rza and Gza other members came through, Method Man, U-God and Raekwon. Cappadonna was really no help on this album, could've been left off (No Disrespect.) I know RZA was trying to experiment but not with this joint, we didn't wait 7 years for this one, EVERYONE knows Wu-Tang can come better than this, I'm sad to see niggas lower their standards on this site, I know some cats really feel it but overall it could've been better, It is some good music on here, but not what i was expecting. No Ghostface really hurt this album too, he killed every verse he did, how could he not be on here? ****Overall 3.5/5****

Maccabee Ridah
07-27-2008, 09:29 AM
^^ C'mon man, Sunlight's beat is not so wack! Tho' I agree on mostly u said, I think Sunlight deserves better mark, specially if u compare it to other tracks! U can't say that Sunlight deserves the same mark as shyty Starter which only has a nice beat, and even it is not something special! But anyway, very nice review man!

Peace........

Hollow Dartz
07-27-2008, 10:08 AM
LOL aight, but that shit is too slow. I'll add .5 to it. and Thanks.

Ritter
07-27-2008, 10:16 AM
I somewhat agree to the review, in fact mostly.

But I'd give the album 4.5/5, sorry. Don't know what other flaw except Starter could knock it more than that.

Hollow Dartz
07-27-2008, 10:22 AM
Well, In my review, there are 6 tracks above 3.5/5, while there are 8 track that are 3.5/5 or 3/5, if it was the other way around I'd give it a 4, or if it was 7 and 7. This album could receive a 4/5 I've been debating, but idk.

Hollow Dartz
07-27-2008, 10:25 AM
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Fright
07-27-2008, 11:57 AM
this album is no more than 3.5/5,idk, when i first heard it i thought it was 4.5/5, but now im not even listening to it

Hollow Dartz
07-27-2008, 01:06 PM
My thoughts exactly.

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
07-27-2008, 02:15 PM
this album is no more than 3.5/5,idk, when i first heard it i thought it was 4.5/5, but now im not even listening to it

i dunno i still feel it's a solid 4 it's some replay more tracks than others mostly the 1st half of the album

Maccabee Ridah
07-27-2008, 02:38 PM
i dunno i still feel it's a solid 4 it's some replay more tracks than others mostly the 1st half of the album

^^ The best description of overall 8D's value is that - Solid 4!

KZA
07-27-2008, 02:55 PM
this album was just awful. IMO no replay value at all

Xerogravity
07-29-2008, 02:05 PM
This one was long overdue, the beats sound.....so different, a new RZA, he experimenting on this joint mad crazy, some beats came out on point, some are just average, others doo doo. Lyrics are pretty solid, although I disappointed by Rza and Gza other members came through, Method Man, U-God and Raekwon. Cappadonna was really no help on this album, could've been left off (No Disrespect.) I know RZA was trying to experiment but not with this joint, we didn't wait 7 years for this one, EVERYONE knows Wu-Tang can come better than this, I'm sad to see niggas lower their standards on this site, I know some cats really feel it but overall it could've been better, It is some good music on here, but not what i was expecting. No Ghostface really hurt this album too, he killed every verse he did, how could he not be on here? ****Overall 3.5/5****


i'd have to agree with a majority of what you say here, because this album consists mostly of Method Man and Rae...with U-God coming in here and there. What i don't agree on is not enough Ghostface on the album...honestly I don't like Ghost's flow too much because he always talking about material possessions in his verses...i give him credit for being a vivid storyteller, and that's his niche, and he should stick with it. Rae is kinda the same way, except Rae got sick delivery. Not hearing GZA on this album enough was disappointing, but GZA been flowing for more than 30 years now, and has nothing more to prove...you can't forget about Rebel INS!!! Even after a 7 year wait for an album, he still hasn't lost his touch. Sure this album is all over the place, but the Wu live up to that "unpredictable" title.

i'm disappointed by this album like most of y'all are, and i'm wondering if the Wu Clan even care to redeem themselves on the next effort. gotta wait and see, huh?

2Bladez
08-24-2008, 06:19 AM
Beats are boooring...to me absolutely weak production, i would never rap on this shit..

DR. NICK RIVIERA
08-24-2008, 06:26 AM
LOL ^^ for me the beats were the best part

but the rating 3.5/5 is right. Nice songs, not the greatest lyrics, but still better than most other groups, I don't get that album feeling, and there is no group energy or harmony, if we can call it like that [altho how Ghost starts his verse on the opening song using Meth's line is an exception]

DrBold241
08-29-2008, 02:55 PM
6/10
"Get Em Out Ya Way Pa" is i think one of the few, if only one true banger off the album.
the beat is sick and lyrically everyone is on top of it.
and their flow, though a bit more laid back (like just about all of the album is) is perfect for the beat.
aside from that...... i think it's a good hip hop release (good, not great), but when it comes to a wu album.... it's decent. if that.
also, something i've said a fair bit for this album and i mean it strongly- it's a moody release. you really have to have the right weather and overall setting to truly enjoy it.
i bumped the hell out of it when it came out and throughout all of winter. because i live in florida and unless it's winter, it's pretty much gonna be fairly warm and either sunny or some thunderstorms. so without it being cold, overcast, or any of that, i could never really get my head in the right place to WANT to hear 8D.
like it's a pretty good winter release and should be enjoyed as such. but feeling energetic in 90 degree temperature and the sun and humidity making it more like over 100, just can't listen to this cd.
maybe i'm wrong in saying this, but its just my opinion and i feel strongly for it.

again, get the right setting and state of mind and the album will be high enjoyable, but if it's not there, i'd much rather listen to anything else in the wu library (except BDR, seriously think that was an epic fail especially after hearing fishscale, more fish, and pretty much anything else ghost has put out).
so 7.5-8.5 on a good day for the album, but on any regular day down here: 6/10

Slicksta
10-02-2008, 10:54 PM
Is the Windmill an energy invention>/\<v

Slicksta
10-05-2008, 08:38 PM
Peace RZA. Cilvaringz /\ Killah Priest . He need support. Winter Time is comin' just stay near her. Young women need true fam to hold em' close so they won't fall into the arms of predators.

zip2kx
10-11-2008, 02:47 PM
I just listned to 8D, hadnt put it on for months, for some reason i liked it more. Maybe it's the cold weather?

claaa7
10-11-2008, 06:59 PM
^^ yes it's definitely a winter joint in the same way as "It Was Written" works better in those times...

Slicksta
10-12-2008, 07:52 PM
RIP Old Dirty Bastard

Slicksta
10-12-2008, 08:10 PM
From Jason Wallace & Tonya Wallace-nava

Slicksta
10-12-2008, 08:18 PM
Rip Sister

Durag
10-13-2008, 09:58 AM
When i bought this album i gave it 8/10 here, but since i listened to it, i have absolutly no intention of playing it again. Replay value is very low on this. is give it 6/10 now i think. I like some of the beats, but a lot of the rapping is below par, and overall the album just doesnt work well together

bad boy T
10-13-2008, 02:07 PM
Still gotta get this

Martial-Expert
10-19-2008, 12:43 PM
the album is brilliant, all the haters need to open their minds, and expand their musical horizon!

Fright
10-19-2008, 01:17 PM
8 diagrams needs much more BASS

Slicksta
10-19-2008, 08:50 PM
RIP Old Dirty Bastard

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
10-20-2008, 03:15 AM
the album is brilliant, all the haters need to open their minds, and expand their musical horizon!

i have to admit this album is very dope i wish the clan would have supported it more

DrBold241
12-09-2008, 12:58 AM
forgot to mention, kinda the obvious tho, life changes is a great tribute track. i mean crossroads by bone is a classic, but i def think you can feel the emotion more on life changes, especially mef's verse.
sucks ghost and cap didnt get on it tho.

Krimewave
12-09-2008, 09:46 AM
7 - Good

DEVAMPS
12-11-2008, 01:54 PM
banger-- campfire, take it back, rushin elephants, wolves, windmill, weak spot, sunlight, gun will go, life changes...

THE W
12-15-2008, 07:53 PM
listened to this again recently..

campfire 8/10
take it back 8.5/10
get em out the way pa 7/10
rushing elephants 10/10
unpredictable 9/10
heart gently weeps 6.5/10
wolves 9/10
gun will go 6/10(sue me)
sunlight 7.5/10
stick me for my riches 7/10
starter 10/10(sue me)
windmill 7/10
weak spot 7.5/10
life changes 6/10
tar pit 5/10(clinton's rant is actually the most interesting thing about this track)
16th chamber N/A

tymoney
12-31-2008, 12:35 AM
it makes me mad when peo#le say its wack i was feelin it. gun will go and life changes are my favorites

61stkillah
12-31-2008, 10:18 AM
YOU ARE KIDDING.. this album isn't a classic/superior album, no no no


Campfire - Arguably the best song on the album (10/10)

Take It Back - This Track is a nice follow up after Campfire, and could be bump anywhere (9/10)

Get Them Out The Way Pa - I don't bump this like Campfire, or Take it Back.. its alright, theres just too many other songs i could listen to (7.5/10)

Rushing Elephants - I always have to bump when i hear this track, another hot track.. Rushing Elephants < Take It Back (10/10)

Unpredictable - ... Inspectah Deck gets me listening to this track, another track at times i skip.. the chrous doesn't help my score (7.5/10)

My Heart Gently Weeps - The Chrous doesn't help this song either, Badu doesn't sound right.. still a good track (8/10)

Wolves - A easy song to grow into enjoying (9.5/10)

Gun Will Go - PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER WE GOT BURNERS WEED IS BURNING whatever its saying, another slow tempo song.. (7.5/10)

Sunlight - Not Album Worthy, I don't care about the message.. could be much better ...another slow tempo song... This song is inferior to every song before it, and after.(4/10)

Stick Me For My Riches - Another Song i've grown into listening to, i still skip it though alot (6.9/10)

Starter - When i heard the Afro Samurai Album, then heard this i skipped it Immediately.. its a okay track i just let it play while im playing games(6/10)

Windmill - If He Gets Out Of Line BREAK his FUCKIN Arm.. i agree, im feeling the kill bill sample it makes sense using it (7.5/10)

Weak Spot - I feel like this is the only track i can listen to and get hype, the break i love everything about this song, another song that is arguably one of the best.. (10/10)

Life Changes - .... "dot dot dot dot dot" - raekwon (8.5/10)

Tar Pit - Easy Skip

16th Chamber - 8/10 i wouldn't mind hearing method man and o.d.b more clearly,
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sdeblasi
01-10-2009, 02:25 PM
I dont understand how no one likes Get them out ya Way Pa...that track is so fucking ILL. I'll admit it did take me a while to realize how good it was but now i bump that song more than any other on the album....the deep bassline with the weird drum beat....and meth and u-god destroy it...there deeper voices fit the track perfect and rae and ghost give tight hook

listen to this song with an L and you'll feel how ill this song is

17th chamber born
01-19-2009, 10:15 PM
listened to this again recently..

campfire 8/10
take it back 8.5/10
get em out the way pa 7/10
rushing elephants 10/10
unpredictable 9/10
heart gently weeps 6.5/10
wolves 9/10
gun will go 6/10(sue me)
sunlight 7.5/10
stick me for my riches 7/10
starter 10/10(sue me)
windmill 7/10
weak spot 7.5/10
life changes 6/10
tar pit 5/10(clinton's rant is actually the most interesting thing about this track)
16th chamber N/A

TRUST ME I WILL SUE YOU FOR THAT RATING ON STARTER CHICK.......(woulda gave it a 7.5 b.cuz i like tha beat) AND I WILL BE SUING FOR THE RATING ON GUN'LL GO (shoulda switched it with starter chick)


I dont understand how no one likes Get them out ya Way Pa...that track is so fucking ILL. I'll admit it did take me a while to realize how good it was but now i bump that song more than any other on the album....the deep bassline with the weird drum beat....and meth and u-god destroy it...there deeper voices fit the track perfect and rae and ghost give tight hook

listen to this song with an L and you'll feel how ill this song is


trust me i feelz you homie!!! 'get em out ya way pa' is tha chit!!! meth started that chit off proper cuzzo.

Don Universo
01-21-2009, 11:29 AM
SINCE EVERY OTHER WU ALBUM WAS A 8.5 - 10, THIS ALBUM OVERALL I GIVE A 8/10.
CAMPFIRE, GET EM OUTCHA WAY,UNPREDICTABLE,WOLVES,GENTLY WEEPS,WEAK SPOT,AND SUNLIGHT ARE MY FAVORITES TO BUMP.
THIS ALBIM DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH GHOST OR GZA FOR MY LIKING AND CAPPA AS USUALL WAS SUB PAR(IN HIS FEW APPEARENCES) METH WAS THE MVP ON THIS ALBUM AND GZA WAS THE DISAPPOINTMENT(BEING THAT HE'S MY FAV MEMBER)i MISS THE SONGS WHEN YOU KNEW GZA WAS GOING TO HAVE THE LAST VERSE AND WOULD KILL IT.
-BY THE WAY ALTHOUGH THE IRON FLAG ALBUM WAS MORE OF A BUNCH OF HOT ASS SONGS INSTEAD OF OTHER ALBUMS FULL OF SKITS, I THINK IRON FLAG WAS STILL A BETTER ALBUM 8.5/10
-THE W 8.5/10
-36 CHAMBER 9.5/10
-WUTANG FOREVER 10/10

tommysparks
02-09-2009, 02:57 PM
8 diagrams took me some time because i was looking for Watch Your Mouth but it is still a banga

Sparrow Daene
02-09-2009, 05:14 PM
I don't know why people got mad at this album. It seemed people either loved it or didn't at all. I wish the Q-Tip track and "Watch Your Mouth" had made it. ("Starter" could have been left on the floor and Mathematics didn't HAVE to take it down South with that "Stick Me For My Riches" beat.) And "You Can't Stop Me Now" should have stayed on this album, instead of being the only decent track in a sea of wackness on Digi Snacks.

My only problem - I KNOW RZA had better shit lying around somewhere that is better than the beats for "Get Them Out Your Way Pa" and "Rushing Elephants". They weren't bad, just probably not 2 of the best beats he had come up with since the last time we'd heard from him.


I've noticed that The W, an album I absolutely hated when it came out, has really grown on me while Iron Flag has fallen out of my favor. I think that is their worst now.

You can't compare anything to 36 Chambers, of course, so it goes: Forever > 8 Diagrams > The W (minus "Conditioner) > Iron Flag

Sparrow Daene
02-09-2009, 05:34 PM
13. Weak Spot
The track is actually co-produced by one of Hollywood’s greatest movie-score composers but comes off as the dirtiest and most rugged joint on the whole album.


That's not true. It's co-produced by George Drakoulias. He's a producer who was a protege of Rick Rubin back in the day. The Beasties have a line about him on Paul's Boutique. He also co-produced "The Heart Gently Weeps" and "You Can't Stop Me Now".

8
03-17-2009, 07:37 AM
1. Campfire - 5/5 - classic

2. Take It Back - 5/5 - classic

3. Get Them Out Ya Way Pa - 4/5 - slammin' - definite satisfaction

4. Rushing Elephants - 5/5 - classic

5. Unpredictable - 4.5/5 - superior

6. The Heart Gently Weeps - 5/5 - classic

7. Wolves - 5/5 - classic

8. Gun Will Go - 5/5 - classic

9. Sunlight - 5/5 - classic

10. Stick Me for My Riches - 4.5/5 - superior

11. Starter - 2.5/5 - average

12. Windmill - 5/5 - classic

13. Weak Spot - 5/5 - classic

14. Life Changes - 5/5 - classic

15. Tar Pit - 3/5 - good, worth checking out

16. 16th Chamber (ODB Special) - 5/5 - classic

overall: 4.5 - superior

killabee313
04-02-2009, 10:19 PM
My least favorite Wu album but it wuzz still pretty good.

EnD
04-10-2009, 02:52 PM
I listened the retail version and the original version and man... Fuck the hate, this album is great. It just needs a bit more bass (Campfire has it though).

9/10

Jin10304
04-11-2009, 03:40 PM
"THIS ALBIM DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH GHOST OR GZA FOR MY LIKING"

Your trippin, GZA had 6 verses on the album making him on par with RZA, Deck, U-God & Masta Killa.

New Hills 36
05-08-2009, 07:01 PM
I can understand the negative reviews because it is a long way away from Enter, LS, OB4CL and such. IMO tho its a great if undoubtably flawed album. I think RZA may have been 'a bit naughty' with how he used the others, there is too much singing (though some of it is great), I personally dislike Sunlight and can't play Life Changes, and Ghost is in far too short a supply. On the positive there is Meth and Uey like giants (and everyone else in good form too), a rich haunting deep sound and some real killer bangers (Windmill, Weak Spot, Campfire). I rate Starter highly - fun to hear GZA doing something so different.

I hope it's not the last. If there is a next one someone probably needs to control the RZA a bit - though probably not too much.

harm77
05-15-2009, 10:54 PM
very dissapointing album. i expected alot more being that it was like 6 - 7 yrs since ironflag was release no cohesiveness. the videos were horrible. the cover to the cd look like some cheap mixtape. the beats where recycled, ex( weakspot, same drum as deadly melody, started, same drums as certified samurai etcc). the energy wasnt there. Just an all out bad album by the wu. I honestly cant see how any wu fan would like this album but yet amazingly some here call it great and even a masterpiece. I personally cant have an album grow on me. its either u like it or not.

4th Chamber
09-20-2009, 04:06 AM
After Iron Flag I wasn't expecting much. But I was actually surprised on first listen at how much better 8 Diagrams was. It's far from a classic in my mind, but still a great album that's really easy to listen to. Perhaps there's a bit too much singing, but it doesn't annoy me like it did on Iron Flag. Here's my ratings of the songs!

1. Campfire - 5/5 (just wish Meth didn't mention Justin Timberlake!)
2. Take It Back - 5/5
3. Get Them Out Ya Way Pa
4. Rushing Elephants - 5/5
5. Unpredictable - 4/5
6. The Heart Gently Weeps - 3/5
7. Wolves - 4.5/5
8. Gun Will Go - 4/5
9. Sunlight - 4/5
10. Stick Me for My Riches - 3/5
11. Starter - 2/5
12. Windmill - 5/5
13. Weak Spot - 4/5
14. Life Changes - 2/5
15. Tar Pit - 3/5
16. 16th Chamber (ODB Special) - 2/5

grt05
02-05-2011, 06:37 PM
Sorry to bring this thread out from the depths, but I love this album..Listened to it all day, and just finally appreciate its sound and what RZA has achieved. U-God gave some of his best performances ever..some of the bass lines on this album are subtle but awesome. Rushing Elephants has gotta be one of the most under rated wu songs of all time.

I give 36 chambers and Forever 10/10 and relative to those albums, for me this is like an 8.5.

8
08-20-2012, 12:28 PM
Listenin' 2 it right now - gets better and better with each year. So much goin' on in these beats... damn... their 3rd best 4 me without a doubt.

davedigital360
08-23-2012, 01:43 AM
couldn't agree more. Production is off the hook on this

David Daniel Davis
12-11-2012, 06:39 PM
Does any body know what the sample is at the beginning of Gun Will Go? It sounds like they are saying peanut butter.

8
12-11-2012, 07:08 PM
Rather "we got burner, we got burner!" lovin' that shit Killa is vicious on that (& the whole 8D)

the silencer
12-14-2012, 09:21 PM
need to incorporate this original thread into here:

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45532