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lord patch
07-04-2008, 02:01 PM
Note: Two important articles on the rising Islamophobia in Britain. It is also relevant to North America. From the respected British paper The Independent.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslims-feel-like-jews-of-europe-859978.html


Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'
Minister's shock warning on rise of anti-Islamic prejudice
By Cahal Milmo, Chief Reporter
The Independent, Friday, 4 July 2008
Britain's first Muslim minister has attacked the growing culture of hostility against Muslims in the United Kingdom, saying that many feel targeted like "the Jews of Europe".
Shahid Malik, who was appointed as a minister in the Department for International Development (Dfid) by Gordon Brown last summer, said it has become legitimate to target Muslims in the media and society at large in a way that would be unacceptable for any other minority.
Mr Malik made clear that he was not equating the situation with the Holocaust but warned that many British Muslims now felt like "aliens in their own country". He said he himself had been the target of a string of racist incidents, including the firebombing of his family car and an attempt to run him down at a petrol station.
"I think most people would agree that if you ask Muslims today what do they feel like, they feel like the Jews of Europe," he said. "I don't mean to equate that with the Holocaust but in the way that it was legitimate almost and still is in some parts to target Jews, many Muslims would say that we feel the exact same way.
"Somehow there's a message out there that it's OK to target people as long as it's Muslims. And you don't have to worry about the facts, and people will turn a blind eye."
The claims are made in an interview to be broadcast on Monday in a Channel 4 Dispatches programme to coincide with the third anniversary of the London bombings of 7 July.
A poll to accompany the documentary highlights the growing polarisation of opinion among Britain's 1.6 million Muslims, who say they have suffered a marked increase in hostility since the London bombings.
The ICM survey found that 51 per cent of Britons blame Islam to some degree for the 2005 attacks while more than a quarter of Muslims now believe Islamic values are not compatible with British values. While 90 per cent of Muslims said they felt attached to Britain, eight out of 10 said they felt there was more religious prejudice against their faith since the July bombings.
The Dispatches film, "It Shouldn't Happen to a Muslim", presented by the writer and broadcaster Peter Oborne, examines claims that negative attitudes to Muslims have become legitimised by think-tanks and newspaper commentators, who use language that is now being parroted by the far right.
Mr Malik, who narrowly escaped serious injury when a car was driven at him at a petrol station in his home town of Burnley in 2002, said he regularly receives anti-Muslim hate mail at his constituency office in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, which has the highest BNP vote in the country and was home to Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the suicide attackers who killed 52 people in London in 2005.
The MP said the negative portrayal of Muslims in the media, including a story run by several national newspapers in December last year wrongly stating that staff in the Dewsbury and District Hospital had been ordered to turn the beds of Muslim patients towards Mecca five times a day, was a key example of how his co-religionists were being alienated from the mainstream.
He said: "It's almost as if you don't have to check your facts when it comes to certain people, and you can just run with those stories. It makes Muslims feel like aliens in their own country. At a time when we want to engage with Muslims, actually the opposite happens."
The Dispatches programme also speaks to Andy Hayman, the former Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner who was Britain's most senior anti-terrorism officer until he resigned last December. Mr Hayman, who was criticised for failing to tell senior Scotland Yard officers that an innocent man, Jean Charles de Menezes, had been shot dead after being mistaken for a suicide bomber, is asked why he thinks it is important to engage with Muslims expressing extreme views.
Mr Hayman said: "Because we're tackling head on the people that we feel are at the heartbeat of this whole complex agenda. Not to have a dialogue with them would seem that we are apprehensive, we're scared, we're frightened... So even if it's appeasement in some quarters, that is still a conversation that is not being had and needs to be had."
Mr Malik's comments were backed by Simon Woolley, a member of the Government's task force on race equality, and co-founder of Operation Black Vote. He said: "On an almost daily basis, there is rampant Islamophobia in this country, the effect of which is not for our Muslim community to get closer to a sense of Britishness but to feel further away from a feeling of belonging in British society."



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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-enemy-within-fear-of-islam-britains-new-disease-859996.html


The enemy within? Fear of Islam: Britain's new disease
Suspicion of the Muslim community has found its way into mainstream society and nobody seems to care. By Peter Oborne
The Independent, Friday, 4 July 2008
Three years ago, four young suicide bombers caused carnage in London. Their aim was not just to kill and maim. There was also a long-term strategic purpose: to sow suspicion and divide Britain between Muslims and the rest. They are succeeding.
In Britain today, there is a deepening distrust between mainstream society and ever more isolated Muslim communities. A culture of contempt and violence is emerging on our streets.
Sarfraz Sarwar is a pillar of the Muslim community in Basildon, Essex. He is constantly abused and attacked, and the prayer centre he used has been burnt to the ground.
Mr Sarwar, who has six children and whose wife is matron of an old people's home, is a patently decent man. His only crime is his religious faith. He and his fellow worshippers now meet in secret to evade detection, and the attacks that would follow.
The first abuse that Mr Sarwar's family suffered was in October 2001 just after the 9/11 attacks when pigs' trotters were left outside their door, the walls of their house were covered with graffiti and two front windows were broken.
Since then, the family has suffered many attacks, including a failed fire-bombing. In February, the tyres of Mr Sarwar's new car were slashed; in March his windows were broken again. He has now installed CCTV cameras, replaced his wooden back door with one made of steel and erected higher fences.
An investigation for Channel 4's Dispatches programme discovered many violent episodes and attacks on Muslims, with very few reported; those that do get almost no publicity.
Last week, Martyn Gilleard, a Nazi sympathiser in East Yorkshire, was jailed for 16 years. Police found four nail bombs, bullets, swords, axes and knives in his flat. Gilleard had been preparing for a war against Muslims. In a note at his flat he had written, "I am sick and tired of hearing nationalists talking of killing Muslims, blowing up mosques and fighting back only to see these acts of resistance fail. The time has come to stop the talking and start to act."
The Gilleard case went all but unreported. Had a Muslim been found with an arsenal of weapons and planning violent assaults, it would have been a far bigger story.
There is a reason for this blindness in the media. The systematic demonisation of Muslims has become an important part of the central narrative of the British political and media class; it is so entrenched, so much part of normal discussion, that almost nobody notices. Protests go unheard and unnoticed.
Why? Britain's Muslim immigrants are mainly poor, isolated and alienated from mainstream society. Many are a different colour. As a community, British Muslims are relatively powerless. There are few Muslim MPs, there has never been a Muslim cabinet minister, no mainstream newspaper is owned by a Muslim and, as far as we are aware, only one national newspaper has a regular Muslim columnist on its comment pages, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of The Independent.
Surveys show Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment, the poorest health, the most disability and fewest educational qualifications of any faith group in the country. This means they are vulnerable, rendering them open to ignorant and hostile commentary from mainstream figures.
Islamophobia defined in 1997 by the landmark report from the Runnymede Trust as "an outlook or world-view involving an unfounded dread and dislike of Muslims, which results in practices of exclusion and discrimination" can be encountered in the best circles: among our most famous novelists, among newspaper columnists, and in the Church of England.
Its appeal is wide-ranging. "I am an Islamophobe," the Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee wrote in The Independent nearly 10 years ago. "Islamophobia?" the Sunday Times columnist Rod Liddle asks rhetorically in the title of a recent speech, "Count me in". Imagine Liddle declaring: "Anti-Semitism? Count me in", or Toynbee claiming she was "an anti-Semite and proud of it".
Anti-Semitism is recognised as an evil, noxious creed, and its adherents are barred from mainstream society and respectable organs of opinion. Not so Islamophobia.
Its practitioners say Islamophobia cannot be regarded as the same as anti-Semitism because the former is hatred of an ideology or a religion, not Muslims themselves. This means there is no social, political or cultural protection for Muslims: as far as the British political, media and literary establishment is concerned the normal rules of engagement are suspended.
"There is a definite urge; don't you have it?", the author Martin Amis told Ginny Dougary of The Times: "The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order. Not letting them travel. Deportation; further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they're from the Middle East or Pakistan. Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children." Here, Amis is doing much more than insulting Muslims. He is using the foul and barbarous language of fascism. Yet his books continue to sell, and his work continues to be celebrated.
And we found the language of Islamophobic columnists such as Toynbee, Liddle, or novelists such as Amis, duplicated by the British National Party and its growing band of supporters.
All over Europe, parties of the far right have been dropping their traditional hostility to minorities such as Jews and homosexuals; in Britain, the BNP has come to realise that anti-Semitism and anti-black campaigning won't work if they are serious about electoral success.
To move to mainstream respectability, they need an issue that allows them to exploit people's fears about immigrants and Britain's ethnic minority communities without being branded racist extremists.
They have found it. Since 9/11, and particularly 7/7, the BNP has gone all out to tap a rich vein of anti-Muslim sentiment. The party's leader, Nick Griffin, has described Islam as a "wicked, vicious faith" and has tried to distance himself and the party from its anti-Semitic past. Party members are now rebuked for discussing the Holocaust and told to focus on terrorism, the evils of Islam, and scare stories of Britain becoming an Islamic state.
Griffin's strategy has been inspired by the press. He said: "We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it's the thing they can understand. It's the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with."
Last month, we visited Stoke-on-Trent, a BNP heartland with nine BNP councillors, a council second only to Barking and Dagenham in far-right representation. The party has made this progress in large part by mounting a vicious anti-Muslim campaign. Stoke has one of the lowest employment rates in the country since the pottery industry collapsed. The BNP has tried to link this decline to Muslim immigration.
Other campaigns have focused on planning issues over mosques, a flashpoint elsewhere too. The BNP accuses the Labour council of cutting special deals with Muslim groups in exchange for support. Wherever we explored tension between Muslims and the local community we tended to discover the BNP was present, fanning discontent.
Many categories of immigrants and foreigners have been singled out for hatred and opprobrium by mainstream society because they were felt to be threats to British identity. At times, these despised categories have included Catholics, Jews, French and Germans; gays were held to subvert decency and normality until the 1980s, blacks until the 1970s, and Jews for centuries. Now this outcast role has fallen to Muslims. And it is the perception that Muslims receive special treatment that fuels the most resentment. When we investigated clashes at a Muslim dairy in Windsor, we found the perception that police had failed to investigate what seemed to be a racist attack by Asian youths on a local woman played a powerful role in fanning resentments.
But by the same token we believe that Muslims should be given the same protection as other minority groups from insults or ignorant abuse. This protection is not available. Ordinary Muslim families are virtually a silenced minority.
We should all feel ashamed about the way we treat Muslims, in the media, in our politics, and on our streets. We do not treat Muslims with the tolerance, decency and fairness that we often like to boast is the British way. We urgently need to change our public culture.
Peter Oborne's Dispatches film, "It Shouldn't Happen to a Muslim", will be screened on Channel 4 at 8pm on Monday. The pamphlet Muslims Under Siege, by Peter Oborne and James Jones, is published next week by Democratic Audit





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TSA
07-04-2008, 04:00 PM
AHAhahahahhaHAHahahhAHAHAHAHHH!

HANZO
07-04-2008, 08:31 PM
Ofcourse there would be Islamophobia in Britain if all the muslims did was distance themselves from the English. i mean go to all 4 corners of London, especially East and North. its practically Islamabad, or Istanbul.

Its our fault, we distance ourselves form the swine (English). thats how most see it. the new generation is worse though. go to universitys in london. most students are muslim, they are the smartest to. but like they all jihadists man. they look down on muslims who aint like them. So they kinda act like Jews.

TSA
07-04-2008, 09:15 PM
lol tho, wouldn't the jews of europe be the jews of europe

HANZO
07-04-2008, 09:28 PM
they probably mean it by the singled-out ppl of Europe. who are slowly becoming the most hated.

i think its bollocks though. muslims seem to be complaining more and more as the days go on. we just gotta shut up and live our lives.

british muslims should be happy they live in England. they should go to Turkey, doctors wont look at a patient who wears a headscarf.

TSA
07-04-2008, 09:36 PM
i guess, idk what it's like over there, so yeah, but i hear the muslims got that shit locked down pad lock.

europe is gonna be uneuropean pretty soon, white ppl aren't having kids and the influx of immigrants is unmatched

HANZO
07-04-2008, 09:46 PM
also along with the high number of immigrants. i mean i seen from the universities here in London. most engineering, science, and medical students are muslims. Thats the future of England in the hands of foreigners.

diggy
07-04-2008, 11:25 PM
Ya, like u said, white Brits are not having kids so u outnumber them. All this hate is based on fear. Islamophobia is the new acceptable racism. But it will backfire just like racism against jews, blacks, gays, etc.

V4D3R
07-05-2008, 01:43 AM
^^nah that couldnt of been you at the concert - you were here in KTL.

TSA
07-05-2008, 03:50 AM
a world of such economic imbalance is the cause,
but if i were british i'd get pissed off.

fuck that shit.

america is a different case, the whole point is everyone coming over, but british, nah.

i just imagine that being like if a bunch of white people came into nigeria and started outnumbering nigerians

or you can see it as a bunch of brits coming over and outnumbering turks

gay as fuck

JASPER
07-05-2008, 05:58 AM
Did the Jews get synagogues built for them all over Europe, did they get free welfare money if they couldn't find a job, have they been protected from cartoons their religion might take offense to?

The country I live in is shaping into some sort of Muslim friendly bow-down-nation. Our government is doing everything do please Muslims as much as they can.

Your religion doesn't allow you to be treated by a female doctor? No problem, we'll adjust.
This hospital food isn't halal? We'll adjust.
A cartoon that makes fun of what you belief in? Preposterous! We'll throw the author in jail for a night, search his house and make him censor his works.


Oh and another thing, in WWII the Muslims weren't shy to help the Germans kill off a few Jews...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_ %281st_Croatian%29

diggy
07-05-2008, 10:20 PM
Did the Jews get synagogues built for them all over Europe, did they get free welfare money if they couldn't find a job, have they been protected from cartoons their religion might take offense to?

The country I live in is shaping into some sort of Muslim friendly bow-down-nation. Our government is doing everything do please Muslims as much as they can.

Your religion doesn't allow you to be treated by a female doctor? No problem, we'll adjust.
This hospital food isn't halal? We'll adjust.
A cartoon that makes fun of what you belief in? Preposterous! We'll throw the author in jail for a night, search his house and make him censor his works.


Oh and another thing, in WWII the Muslims weren't shy to help the Germans kill off a few Jews...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_ %281st_Croatian%29


Good points.

It is like that and should be like that cuz "The West" claims religious tolerance and gives the right to others to practice their beliefs.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-12-2008, 02:51 PM
Its funny how all these Muslims, these self-proclaimed righteous individuals,
who accuse Western Europeans of all these bad things, call them swine(as HAN did), yet
their own people aren't as accepting as the British or French.
And STILL, they bitch about things.
If i was British, and London was becoming a Muslim haven, I'd be pissed off.
Imagine if Tehran or Istanbul became flooded with Americans, and they began to outnumber
the native populace.
There would be executions.
Still blaiming the West for the worlds problems I see.....Deep down inside, I think its jealousy and embarassment that angers the Muslims more than anything.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-12-2008, 02:54 PM
LOL @ the new Jews of Europe.

When you go thru centuries of what Jews went thru and experience concentration and
death camps, than you can start talking.
As it stands, you on THEIR territory.

diggy
07-12-2008, 09:57 PM
Its funny how all these Muslims, these self-proclaimed righteous individuals,
who accuse Western Europeans of all these bad things, call them swine(as HAN did), yet
their own people aren't as accepting as the British or French.
And STILL, they bitch about things.
If i was British, and London was becoming a Muslim haven, I'd be pissed off.
Imagine if Tehran or Istanbul became flooded with Americans, and they began to outnumber
the native populace.
There would be executions.

Is the west really accepting or are immigrants allowed to enter cuz there is certain work that the citizens do not want to do?

Also, western countries need to have the population of it's citizens at certain numbers.

Westeners tend to not have much children as necessary to sustain positive population density, so immigrants need to be let in.

When Iran has negative population density, they will get immigrants in.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-13-2008, 12:01 AM
Is the west really accepting or are immigrants allowed to enter cuz there is certain work that the citizens do not want to do?

Also, western countries need to have the population of it's citizens at certain numbers.

Westeners tend to not have much children as necessary to sustain positive population density, so immigrants need to be let in.

When Iran has negative population density, they will get immigrants in.

The West is ALOT more accepting than where they are from. I don't think even
a Muslim would debate that.

The point your trying to make is fleeting and unclear.
Asians flooded Europe for opportunity in education and freedoms they can't have in their
OWN countries.

Bottom line is this. Don't throw stones from a glass house and don't bite the hand that feeds you. Their arguement is empty.
These people that try to equate their European struggles with that of European Jewish struggles are the same that come to the USA and try to equate their struggles with that of black Americans.
Its bullshit. Pure bullshit.

Edgar Erebus
07-13-2008, 06:25 AM
a world of such economic imbalance is the cause,
but if i were british i'd get pissed off.

fuck that shit.

america is a different case, the whole point is everyone coming over, but british, nah.

i just imagine that being like if a bunch of white people came into nigeria and started outnumbering nigerians

or you can see it as a bunch of brits coming over and outnumbering turks

gay as fuck




http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40788000/jpg/_40788219_rwandanolte.jpg

"You aren't even a nigger. You're African."



I expected more of you. You're a nasty immigrant and now you act more American than Americans, like that "native" motherfucker Bill the Butcher ("Bene"). I'm really disappointed, like I'm disappointed of all those Slovenians around me shitting on Croatia, Bosnia and everything - and having Croatian surnames.



Plus I'm not allowed to shit on foreign workers, student and such ish, 'cause I'm one of them. You ain't either.

HANZO
07-13-2008, 10:17 AM
The West is ALOT more accepting than where they are from. I don't think even
a Muslim would debate that.

The point your trying to make is fleeting and unclear.
Asians flooded Europe for opportunity in education and freedoms they can't have in their
OWN countries.

Bottom line is this. Don't throw stones from a glass house and don't bite the hand that feeds you. Their arguement is empty.
These people that try to equate their European struggles with that of European Jewish struggles are the same that come to the USA and try to equate their struggles with that of black Americans.
Its bullshit. Pure bullshit.

the statement isnt trying to imply that the muslims have suffered like the jews. its trying to say that today the muslims are seen from the same perspective as the germans saw the jews in the 1930's.

plus the european nations got rich from exploiting other nations. these nations economies have grown thanks to the muslims coming over in the 1950's and help rebuild the european nations. these countries owe the muslims alot. now all you see is the ppl of europe judge muslims by the actions the new generation do. the new generation being the un-educated ppl from the war torn islamic nations. this new islamophobia is dragging the lets say 'beneficial' muslims away from Europe. which is really bad for europe. i mean however much i was born and raised in England i really have no intention to work in this country once i graduate.

plus Europes in recession, America is probably in the same position to.

TSA
07-13-2008, 10:30 AM
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40788000/jpg/_40788219_rwandanolte.jpg

"You aren't even a nigger. You're African."



I expected more of you. You're a nasty immigrant and now you act more American than Americans, like that "native" motherfucker Bill the Butcher ("Bene"). I'm really disappointed, like I'm disappointed of all those Slovenians around me shitting on Croatia, Bosnia and everything - and having Croatian surnames.



Plus I'm not allowed to shit on foreign workers, student and such ish, 'cause I'm one of them. You ain't either.
LOL at bringing up serbia. That shit is maddddd unimportant homie.
even if you live there, all other countries are still irrelevant

like you can be in there, and the news comes on, and it's something about the country your in

what force on gods green earth will make you watch it?
that's just an unimportant piece of humanity. I tried reading that, but all these unimportant countries cause a confusing blur of irrelevance and decay

TSA
07-13-2008, 10:31 AM
The West is ALOT more accepting than where they are from. I don't think even
a Muslim would debate that.

The point your trying to make is fleeting and unclear.
Asians flooded Europe for opportunity in education and freedoms they can't have in their
OWN countries.

Bottom line is this. Don't throw stones from a glass house and don't bite the hand that feeds you. Their arguement is empty.
These people that try to equate their European struggles with that of European Jewish struggles are the same that come to the USA and try to equate their struggles with that of black Americans.
Its bullshit. Pure bullshit.
and odds are the west ISNT more accepting then the country he's in.

your opinions are bottom of the barrel around here. the Serbia of opinions.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-13-2008, 02:10 PM
and odds are the west ISNT more accepting then the country he's in.

your opinions are bottom of the barrel around here. the Serbia of opinions.

BUt yet still more accepting than the Muslim countries, which was the point i was making.
If you werent such a clown, you might have a shred of credibility.

Cee Oh Vee
07-14-2008, 03:32 PM
Its funny how all these Muslims, these self-proclaimed righteous individuals,
who accuse Western Europeans of all these bad things, call them swine(as HAN did), yet
their own people aren't as accepting as the British or French.
And STILL, they bitch about things.
If i was British, and London was becoming a Muslim haven, I'd be pissed off.
Imagine if Tehran or Istanbul became flooded with Americans, and they began to outnumber
the native populace.
There would be executions.
Still blaiming the West for the worlds problems I see.....Deep down inside, I think its jealousy and embarassment that angers the Muslims more than anything.

'their own people aren't as accepting as the British or French.'

Does the same go for British Muslims; such as a convert to Islam?

The way you speak of Muslims as a race or nationality is ridiculous. If you're talking about Arabs, Pakistanis or whatever; say that.

'If i was British, and London was becoming a Muslim haven, I'd be pissed off.
Imagine if Tehran or Istanbul became flooded with Americans, and they began to outnumber
the native populace.'

Your analogy is silly. Americans ARE a nationality; I can see your point, but for that fact it doesn't link to Muslims "flooding" Europe.

Does the same go for British Muslims? And maybe not even people born in Britain with foreign parents. How about a white, British convert to Islam?

This discussion won't even get anywhere anyway. Point-being; not every Muslims in Europe "bitches" about it.

PEACE.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-14-2008, 04:33 PM
Again, i was generalizing...but the fact remains that most people (arabs, pakis, afghans)
from the mid east are indeed muslim.
Your right, they dont all bitch...but in fact this is what the world has become, everyone bitching about everything. P.C. nonsense gone wild.

Edgar Erebus
07-16-2008, 06:28 AM
LOL at bringing up serbia. That shit is maddddd unimportant homie.
even if you live there, all other countries are still irrelevant

like you can be in there, and the news comes on, and it's something about the country your in

what force on gods green earth will make you watch it?
that's just an unimportant piece of humanity. I tried reading that, but all these unimportant countries cause a confusing blur of irrelevance and decay


Last time I saw Nigeria in any media was, like... um... six months ago, in National Geographic.

Sorry, that leaves me no choice.


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"You aren't even a nigger. You're African."

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"You aren't even a nigger. You're African."

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40788000/jpg/_40788219_rwandanolte.jpg

"You aren't even a nigger. You're African."

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"You aren't even a nigger. You're African."



And, one more time:

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"You aren't even a nigger. You're African."

JASPER
07-16-2008, 10:43 AM
I think we should be more intolerant to all religions.

Don't ask me to elaborate, just dropping it here.

Cthulhu
07-16-2008, 11:45 AM
Maybe if Muslim extremists would stop burning embassies, committing honor killings, and bitching and moaning over every little culture shock, non-Muslims wouldn't feel annoyed/threatened/angry at them.

And please, criticizing Islam and the actions of its followers is NOT the same thing as hating a foreigner for his skin color/ethnicity.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-16-2008, 04:57 PM
Maybe if Muslim extremists would stop burning embassies, committing honor killings, and bitching and moaning over every little culture shock, non-Muslims wouldn't feel annoyed/threatened/angry at them.

And please, criticizing Islam and the actions of its followers is NOT the same thing as hating a foreigner for his skin color/ethnicity.

Exactly.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-16-2008, 04:59 PM
I think we should be more intolerant to all religions.

Don't ask me to elaborate, just dropping it here.

YOu know what? i agree. and it may seem crazy but in the end, most religious
people are the most intolerant anyway.
They mask their true intentions behind a 'moral ideal' which is their religion.
Christians, Muslims, jews, NOI...there all part of the same hipocracy.

Cthulhu
07-17-2008, 04:16 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1030798/Muslim-outrage-police-advert-featuring-cute-puppy-sitting-policemans-hat.html

Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:15 PM on 01st July 2008

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A postcard featuring a cute puppy sitting in a policeman's hat advertising a Scottish police force's new telephone number has sparked outrage from Muslims.


Tayside Police's new non-emergency phone number has prompted complaints from members of the Islamic community.

The choice of image on the Tayside Police cards - a black dog sitting in a police officer's hat - has now been raised with Chief Constable John Vine.


Tayside Police caused uproar in the Muslim community after they released this advertisement featuring police puppy Rebel sitting in a hat

The advert has upset Muslims because dogs are considered ritually unclean and has sparked such anger that some shopkeepers in Dundee have refused to display the advert.

Dundee councillor Mohammed Asif said: 'My concern was that it's not welcomed by all communities, with the dog on the cards.


'It was probably a waste of resources going to these communities.


'They (the police) should have understood. Since then, the police have explained that it was an oversight on their part, and that if they'd seen it was going to cause upset they wouldn't have done it.'


Councillor Asif, who is a member of the Tayside Joint Police Board, said that the force had a diversity adviser and was generally very aware of such issues.

He raised the matter with Mr Vine at a meeting of the board.



Tayside Police Chief Constable John Vine said the advert was not intended to cause any offence
The chief constable said he was unaware of the concerns and that the force had not sought to cause any upset but added he would look into the matter.


Councillor Asif said: 'People who have shops just won't put up the postcard. But the police have said to me that it was simply an oversight and they did not seek to offend or upset.'

Cards featuring police dog-in-training Rebel have been distributed to communities throughout the area to advertise the single number point of contact for non-emergency calls to the police.

Rebel has proved a popular recruit for Tayside Police after coming through the very first Lothian and Borders Police dog-breeding programme in February.


One of seven German Shepherd pups born in early December, he has now completed his course of inoculations, and is free to venture out onto the streets of Tayside.

A spokesman for Tayside Police said: 'Trainee police dog Rebel has proved extremely popular with children and adults since being introduced to the public, aged six weeks old, as Tayside Police's newest canine recruit.

'His incredible world-wide popularity - he has attracted record visitor numbers to our website - led us to believe Rebel could play a starring role in the promotion of our non-emergency number.

'We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused.'

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I mean, seriously.....Muslim communities are gonna pull THIS SHIT and then complain they feel ostracised by non-Muslims?

Look, I'm fine with Muslims (or any religious person, for that matter) enacting their mental slavery on themselves. If they need to believe in an imaginary babysitter/dictator to get through life, whatever. But as soon as you start trying to force your rambling lunacy on everyone else, I say "tough shit, go cry to Allah."

I mean, fuck, has the non-Muslim world lost its balls? Are we really that afraid of offending Muslims that we spotlight how badly the West treats them and then bend over backward for whatever ridiculous demand they want? Didn't Europe go through the Enlightenment precisely to GET AWAY from this kind of religious stranglehold on society?

HANZO
07-17-2008, 04:31 PM
^^trust me that story is bollocks. its probably totally different, but they jus like to say that the muslims are the ones who complaining over retarded shit.

funny how all these stories have come about after 9/11. i didnt even here any shit about muslims before that. just shows how shit-scared westerners are from muslims.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-17-2008, 06:00 PM
Well Muslims do have a history of trying to take over Europe. So if i was a european and noticed this muslim rise in immigration, i'd be wary too.

Cthulhu
07-17-2008, 06:07 PM
^^trust me that story is bollocks. its probably totally different, but they jus like to say that the muslims are the ones who complaining over retarded shit.

funny how all these stories have come about after 9/11. i didnt even here any shit about muslims before that. just shows how shit-scared westerners are from muslims.

I've looked into it a little bit, and that paper seems to be the only source, plus it's a right-wing-oriented paper. I apologize if this is, indeed, an exaggeration or outright fabrication.

That said, most of the other stuff I've said is undeniably true. The extremists of Europe's Muslim population have exhibited some very bad behavior when it comes to culture clashes, and the Muslim population as a whole doesn't do much to denounce the ones who cause the problems, mostly because they are also outraged by the same things, but not necessarily to a violent degree. I'm not at all a cultural elitist. I don't think that Muslim immigrants should have to conform to European society. By all means, live under sharia law, but please, don't try to impose your morals on everyone else. As immigrants, they need to be realistic and accept the fact that European culture is going to have its differences that may clash or even offend them, but they can't expect everyone to observe Islamic morality.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-18-2008, 03:12 PM
I don't think that Muslim immigrants should have to conform to European society. By all means, live under sharia law, but please, don't try to impose your morals on everyone else. As immigrants, they need to be realistic and accept the fact that European culture is going to have its differences that may clash or even offend them, but they can't expect everyone to observe Islamic morality.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?