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TSA
08-03-2008, 12:52 PM
who's your fav? im reading a book about the history of islam and it really openned my eyes to the religion, i have always had a profound respect for it but now i finally get it, or at least i think, idk.

anyways, basically Islam IS the final chapter of the 3 part judeo legacy, it really crystalizes the themes of the other religions and it's ins submitting to god which isn't new to anyone.

but submittion to god is not 'submittion' at all. Think about it, if you submit to a perfect force are you bowing your head to something or raising to it? If someone takes the word submit as being subserviant they don't really get it. If you submit to god, your accending to a highly level not bowing to a lower, and to be one with god you have to surrender the world around you cause it's worthless in the face of god.

this is why islam is so all encompassing in it's societies and includes details about everything, down to controlling your period, because if your unable to understand the glory of being one with god and how superior that bond is above your appreciation of the external material world, they your a douche thats gonna be lost.

for instance the praying 5 times a day(whihc god actually wanted to be 50), some ppl in the western world might think that's inconvient, but what is convient? a relationship with a boss for money or a relationship with your soul god and happiness?

i respect the fact that in Islam there's no appologetic compromising of the importance of the relationship with god and man, it's the most important thing that you will ever be a part of, more important then you yourself.

even look at the world as is, who are the people that are at most peace with themselves that you know of? Jesus, Dhali Llama, Buddist Monks, and the more religious a country the happier the ppl (scientifically proven)

look at the ppl that have be able to be an unflinching force for a purpose bigger then themselves, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, and so forth...all had a very close relationship to god, and are truely Islamic.

TSA
08-03-2008, 01:01 PM
I learned alot from Rastafarianism as well, such as an understanding of the eternalness of energies throughout history and the importance of Africa.

first off, all 3 major religions, at one point of their history, were salvaged, nurtured, and defended by Ethiopia. Also, the only man with blood lineage to a biblical figure is Haile Salassie RIP(in the modern world). He's the direct decendant of the King of Jews Solomon and Queen Sheba and head of a 4000 year old bloodline.

on the energies of history. I've also learnt that the energies of institutions live forever in one form or another. For instance Babylon and it's destruction of Israel, followed by Romans destruction of Israel followed by British distruction of Israel, followed by god knows who's destruction of Israel, probably America the most.

but the energy of Israel also exists as a symbol for Africa and african ppl. Babylon came in and enslaved the Jews, Egypt came in and enslaved the jews rome came in an enslaved the jews, each time taking them to a distant land and trying to kill off their culture in place on an inferior corrupted one

Africa has also gone through this and currently goes through this as we speak, so Rastafarianism is really black Zionism, or the desire to establish a homeland for da blacks uncontrolled by Babylon (how energy has been reincarnated in every major empire in history since Babylon and Egypt).

and throughout history Ethiopia has been a refugee for those that have taken on the energy or role of the oppressed hebrews...first the hebrews, then the christians then the muslims, then blacks ingeneral being the only country in africa to fend of imperialism and remain independant and Haile Salassie being the last black emperor in history + biblical figure

Fatal Guillotine
08-03-2008, 02:10 PM
who's your fav? im reading a book about the history of islam and it really openned my eyes to the religion, i have always had a profound respect for it but now i finally get it, or at least i think, idk.

anyways, basically Islam IS the final chapter of the 3 part judeo legacy, it really crystalizes the themes of the other religions and it's ins submitting to god which isn't new to anyone.

but submittion to god is not 'submittion' at all. Think about it, if you submit to a perfect force are you bowing your head to something or raising to it? If someone takes the word submit as being subserviant they don't really get it. If you submit to god, your accending to a highly level not bowing to a lower, and to be one with god you have to surrender the world around you cause it's worthless in the face of god.

this is why islam is so all encompassing in it's societies and includes details about everything, down to controlling your period, because if your unable to understand the glory of being one with god and how superior that bond is above your appreciation of the external material world, they your a douche thats gonna be lost.

for instance the praying 5 times a day(whihc god actually wanted to be 50), some ppl in the western world might think that's inconvient, but what is convient? a relationship with a boss for money or a relationship with your soul god and happiness?

i respect the fact that in Islam there's no appologetic compromising of the importance of the relationship with god and man, it's the most important thing that you will ever be a part of, more important then you yourself.

even look at the world as is, who are the people that are at most peace with themselves that you know of? Jesus, Dhali Llama, Buddist Monks, and the more religious a country the happier the ppl (scientifically proven)

look at the ppl that have be able to be an unflinching force for a purpose bigger then themselves, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, and so forth...all had a very close relationship to god, and are truely Islamic.

Dope drop Tsa.... i like how you gave the negative and positive.

in islam they'll teach you(speaking of imans) that islam isn't really a religion its a way of life. its all about oneness with Allah.

Fatal Guillotine
08-03-2008, 03:05 PM
btw very insightful post tsa :)

Fatal Guillotine
08-03-2008, 03:09 PM
who's your fav? im reading a book about the history of islam and it really openned my eyes to the religion, i have always had a profound respect for it but now i finally get it, or at least i think, idk.

anyways, basically Islam IS the final chapter of the 3 part judeo legacy, it really crystalizes the themes of the other religions and it's ins submitting to god which isn't new to anyone.

but submittion to god is not 'submittion' at all. Think about it, if you submit to a perfect force are you bowing your head to something or raising to it? If someone takes the word submit as being subserviant they don't really get it. If you submit to god, your accending to a highly level not bowing to a lower, and to be one with god you have to surrender the world around you cause it's worthless in the face of god.

this is why islam is so all encompassing in it's societies and includes details about everything, down to controlling your period, because if your unable to understand the glory of being one with god and how superior that bond is above your appreciation of the external material world, they your a douche thats gonna be lost.

for instance the praying 5 times a day(whihc god actually wanted to be 50), some ppl in the western world might think that's inconvient, but what is convient? a relationship with a boss for money or a relationship with your soul god and happiness?

i respect the fact that in Islam there's no appologetic compromising of the importance of the relationship with god and man, it's the most important thing that you will ever be a part of, more important then you yourself.

even look at the world as is, who are the people that are at most peace with themselves that you know of? Jesus, Dhali Llama, Buddist Monks, and the more religious a country the happier the ppl (scientifically proven)

look at the ppl that have be able to be an unflinching force for a purpose bigger then themselves, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, and so forth...all had a very close relationship to god, and are truely Islamic.

Dope drop Tsa.... i like how you gave the negative and positive.

in islam they'll teach you(speaking of imans) that islam isn't really a religion its a way of life. its all about oneness with Allah.


i find that taoism and islam are much alike and that it teaches you to be self-reliant and oneness with god maybe this is why rza chose to study taoism(idk).


Taoism refers to a variety of related philosophical and religious traditions and concepts. These traditions have influenced East Asia for over two thousand years and some have spread internationally from place to place.The Chinese character Tao 道 (or Dao, depending on the romanisation scheme) means "path" or "way", although in Chinese religion and philosophy it has taken on more abstract meanings. the Taoist propriety and ethics emphasize the Three Jewels of the Tao: compassion, moderation, and humility.Taoist thought focuses on wu wei (non-action), spontaneity, transformation and emptiness. An emphasis is placed on the link between people and nature, and that this link lessens the need for rules and order, leading one to a better understanding of the world and one's surroundings. <----this is alot like the general order of always being on the alert in islam.Taoism has never been a unified religion, but has rather consisted of numerous teachings based on various revelations

Taoism theology emphasizes various themes such as naturalness, vitality, peace, "non-action" (wu wei), emptiness (refinement), detachment, the strength of softness (or flexibility), receptiveness, spontaneity, the relativism of human ways of life, ways of speaking and guiding behavior.

Taoists believe that human is a microcosm for the universe. The body ties directly into the Chinese five elements. The five organs correlate with the five elements, the five directions and the seasons. Akin to the "hermetic maxim" of "as above, so below", Taoism posits that by understanding himself, man may gain knowledge of the universe, and vice versa.

In Taoism, even beyond Chinese folk religion, various rituals, exercises, and substances are said to positively affect one's physical and mental health. They are also intended to align oneself spiritually with cosmic forces, or enable ecstatic spiritual journeys.[23][24] These concepts seem basic to Taoism in its elite forms. Internal alchemy and various spiritual practices are used by some Taoists to extend life, theoretically even to the point of immortality.


Islam is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, a seventh century Arab religious and political figure. The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God . An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits [to God]". Muslims believe that God revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad, God's final prophet, and regard the Qur'an and the Sunnah (words and deeds of Muhammad) as the fundamental sources of Islam. They do not regard Muhammad as the founder of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets. Islamic tradition holds that Jews and Christians distorted the revelations God gave to these prophets by either altering the text, introducing a false interpretation, or both.

Islam includes many religious practices. Adherents are generally required to observe the Five Pillars of Islam, which are five duties that unite Muslims into a community. In addition to the Five Pillars, Islamic law (sharia) has developed a tradition of rulings that touch on virtually all aspects of life and society. This tradition encompasses everything from practical matters like dietary laws and banking to warfare and welfare.

the five pillars of islam are

The shahadah, which is the basic creed or tenet of Islam

Salah, or ritual prayer, which must be performed five times a day. (However, the Shi'a are permitted to run together the noon with the afternoon prayers, and the evening with the night prayers).

Zakat, or alms-giving.

Sawm, or fasting during the month of Ramadan.

The Hajj, which is the pilgrimage during the Islamic month of Dhu al-Hijjah in the city of Mecca


Islam's fundamental theological concept is tawhīd—the belief that there is only one god. The Arabic term for God is Allāh.The first of the Five Pillars of Islam, tawhīd is expressed in the shahadah (testification), which declares that there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is God's messenger. In traditional Islamic theology, God is beyond all comprehension; Muslims are not expected to visualize God but to worship and adore him as a protector. Although Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, they reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, comparing it to polytheism. In Islamic theology, Jesus was just a man and not the son of God; God is described in a chapter (sura) of the Qur'an as "…God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him."

The Qur'an is divided into 114 suras, or chapters, which combined, contain 6,236 āyāt, or verses. The chronologically earlier suras, revealed at Mecca, are primarily concerned with ethical and spiritual topics. The later Medinan suras mostly discuss social and moral issues relevant to the Muslim community.

Muslims consider the Qur'an to be the literal word of God; it is the central religious text of Islam. Muslims believe that the verses of the Qur'an were revealed to Muhammad by God through the angel Gabriel on many occasions between 610 and his death on June 8, 632. The Qur'an was reportedly written down by Muhammad's companions (sahabah) while he was alive, although the prime method of transmission was orally. It was compiled in the time of Abu Bakr, the first caliph, and was standardized under the administration of Uthman, the third caliph. The Qur'an in its present form is often considered by academic scholars to record the words spoken by Muhammad because the search for variants in Western academia has not yielded any differences of great significance and that historically controversy over the content of the Qur'an has never become a main point.

Muhammad (c. 570 – June 8, 632) was an Arab religious, political, and military leader who founded the religion of Islam as a historical phenomenon. Muslims view him not as the creator of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original, uncorrupted monotheistic faith of Adam, Abraham and others. In Muslim tradition, Muhammad is viewed as the last and the greatest in a series of prophets—as the man closest to perfection, the possessor of all virtues.For the last 23 years of his life, beginning at age 40, Muhammad reported receiving revelations from God. The content of these revelations, known as the Qur'an, was memorized and recorded by his companions.


The Masjid al-Nabawi ("Mosque of the Prophet") in Medina is the site of Muhammad's tomb.During this time, Muhammad preached to the people of Mecca, imploring them to abandon polytheism. Although some converted to Islam, Muhammad and his followers were persecuted by the leading Meccan authorities. After 13 years of preaching, Muhammad and the Muslims performed the Hijra ("emigration") to the city of Medina (formerly known as Yathrib) in 622. There, with the Medinan converts (Ansar) and the Meccan migrants (Muhajirun), Muhammad established his political and religious authority. Within years, two battles had been fought against Meccan forces: the Battle of Badr in 624, which was a Muslim victory, and the Battle of Uhud in 625, which ended inconclusively. Conflict with Medinan Jewish clans who opposed the Muslims led to their exile, enslavement or death, and the Jewish enclave of Khaybar was subdued. At the same time, Meccan trade routes were cut off as Muhammad brought surrounding desert tribes under his control.[36] By 629 Muhammad was victorious in the nearly bloodless Conquest of Mecca, and by the time of his death in 632 he ruled over the Arabian peninsula.

In Islam, the "normative" example of Muhammad's life is called the Sunnah (literally "trodden path"). This example is preserved in traditions known as hadith ("reports"), which recount his words, his actions, and his personal characteristics. The classical Muslim jurist ash-Shafi'i (d. 820) emphasized the importance of the Sunnah in Islamic law, and Muslims are encouraged to emulate Muhammad's actions in their daily lives. The Sunnah is seen as crucial to guiding interpretation of the Qur'an.


Many practices fall in the category of adab, or Islamic etiquette. This includes greeting others with "as-salamu `alaykum" ("peace be unto you"), saying bismillah ("in the name of God") before meals, and using only the right hand for eating and drinking. Islamic hygienic practices mainly fall into the category of personal cleanliness and health, such as the circumcision of male offspring. Islamic burial rituals include saying the Salat al-Janazah ("funeral prayer") over the bathed and enshrouded dead body, and burying it in a grave. Muslims, like Jews, are restricted in their diet, and prohibited foods include pig products, blood, carrion, and alcohol. All meat must come from a herbivorous animal slaughtered in the name of God by a Muslim, Jew, or Christian, with the exception of game that one has hunted or fished for oneself. Food permissible for Muslims is known as halal food.

Jihad means "to strive or struggle" (in the way of God) and is considered the "sixth pillar of Islam" by a minority of Muslim authorities. Jihad, in its broadest sense, is classically defined as "exerting one's utmost power, efforts, endeavors, or ability in contending with an object of disapprobation.

A mosque is a place of worship for Muslims, who often refer to it by its Arabic name, masjid. The word mosque in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated to Islamic worship, although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, privately owned mosque and the larger, "collective" mosque (masjid jāmi`). Although the primary purpose of the mosque is to serve as a place of prayer, it is also important to the Muslim community as a place to meet and study.

The basic unit of Islamic society is the family, and Islam defines the obligations and legal rights of family members. The father is seen as financially responsible for his family, and is obliged to cater for their well-being. The division of inheritance is specified in the Qur'an, which states that most of it is to pass to the immediate family, while a portion is set aside for the payment of debts and the making of bequests. The woman's share of inheritance is generally half of that of a man with the same rights of succession.[112] Marriage in Islam is a civil contract which consists of an offer and acceptance between two qualified parties in the presence of two witnesses. The groom is required to pay a bridal gift (mahr) to the bride, as stipulated in the contract

A man may have up to four wives if he believes he can treat them equally, while a woman may have only one husband. In most Muslim countries, the process of divorce in Islam is known as talaq, which the husband initiates by pronouncing the word "divorce".[114] Scholars disagree whether Islamic holy texts justify traditional Islamic practices such as veiling and seclusion (purdah). Starting in the 20th century, Muslim social reformers argued against these and other practices such as polygamy, with varying success. At the same time, many Muslim women have attempted to reconcile tradition with modernity by combining an active life with outward modesty. Certain Islamist groups like the Taliban have sought to continue traditional law as applied to women.

in taoism it is said the man sole purpose is to please the woman. im finding that as i begin reading more books on taoism its seems as if it takes bit and pieces from different religions.

diggy
08-03-2008, 09:33 PM
TSA, you might be surprised, but what modern-day 'Islam' is, is different from what is written in the Quran. You might wanna check out a link to a book I've posted in The Scriptures Forum, Book Sub-forum called 'Arab Conspiracies Against Islam'.

Also what was the name of the book regarding Rastafarianism?

TSA
08-04-2008, 03:47 AM
i can't remember the rastafari book i read it when i was little, but im speaking of original islam, im reading about muhammed and his story

i wanna read the koran but can't find it in english

anyways, all the problems with Islam is acutally problems with Arab culture, and Islam was an attempt to crystalize the positive side of it.

for instance that Kehbah or whatever has always been an arab pilgrimage site, only it used to be full of idols

also abuses of women, human rights, war/militarism, slavery, and radicalism are all problems with arab culture from the get go that islam was trying to get rid of but made their was into the mix.

diggy
08-04-2008, 05:01 AM
I would think that most major book stores would have the Quran with the English translation.

If not, try the local library or college/university library or order one online.

SID
08-04-2008, 05:29 AM
I hate zionism very much, and there are a lot of things in the jewish religion i dislike
but nowadays i respect it then anything.

First off they keep the family unit TIGHT i mean virgin tight, there fam is unbreakable and ther bond is timeless, a pillar of their faith is to have a family business to keep the family sustained and to make as much p,s as possible.

Hence where there globalist mentality springs from, mass accumilation of wealth and cementing the enduring legacy of gods first "chosen".

They also have knowledge and secrets beyond our coprehension about the human brain how it works how to exploit it for the highest profit.
How to plant ideas subliminally in order to further a motive through many ingenious means.

I say they use 6% brain power or they really on some next level.

anyway i respect them more then i hate them

TSA
08-04-2008, 05:40 AM
shut the hell up you nigger lovin ape

i didn't make this thread for your community college enrollment procrastination to come in here and start this ignorant bullshit

appologize faggot

WARPATH
08-04-2008, 11:32 AM
shut the hell up you nigger lovin ape

i didn't make this thread for your community college enrollment procrastination to come in here and start this ignorant bullshit

appologize faggot

TSA, instead of flaming, you should agree to disagree. SK is only showing what he respects, like the thread title says. Your fucking up your own thread.

TSA
08-04-2008, 11:47 AM
you cant have an honest discussion on this emm effer without that weirdo gay shit poppin up, but i guess your right. very right

Black Man
08-04-2008, 12:41 PM
who's your fav? im reading a book about the history of islam and it really openned my eyes to the religion, i have always had a profound respect for it but now i finally get it, or at least i think, idk.

anyways, basically Islam IS the final chapter of the 3 part judeo legacy, it really crystalizes the themes of the other religions and it's ins submitting to god which isn't new to anyone.

but submittion to god is not 'submittion' at all. Think about it, if you submit to a perfect force are you bowing your head to something or raising to it? If someone takes the word submit as being subserviant they don't really get it. If you submit to god, your accending to a highly level not bowing to a lower, and to be one with god you have to surrender the world around you cause it's worthless in the face of god.

this is why islam is so all encompassing in it's societies and includes details about everything, down to controlling your period, because if your unable to understand the glory of being one with god and how superior that bond is above your appreciation of the external material world, they your a douche thats gonna be lost.

for instance the praying 5 times a day(whihc god actually wanted to be 50), some ppl in the western world might think that's inconvient, but what is convient? a relationship with a boss for money or a relationship with your soul god and happiness?

i respect the fact that in Islam there's no appologetic compromising of the importance of the relationship with god and man, it's the most important thing that you will ever be a part of, more important then you yourself.

even look at the world as is, who are the people that are at most peace with themselves that you know of? Jesus, Dhali Llama, Buddist Monks, and the more religious a country the happier the ppl (scientifically proven)

look at the ppl that have be able to be an unflinching force for a purpose bigger then themselves, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, and so forth...all had a very close relationship to god, and are truely Islamic.

How is Islam the final chapter of the 3 part judeo legacy when Islam existed before judiasm and christianity?

Islam is NOT a religion, so why are you talking about it as if it is a religion? Get your facts straight. It'd be better to refer to what you're talking about as al'Islam.

There is no "submiitting" in Islam. Learn what the word means! You can't even find Allah in the word let alone submit.


the more religious a country the happier the ppl (scientifically proven)


Dumb shit /\/\/\

WARPATH
08-04-2008, 12:47 PM
How is Islam the final chapter of the 3 part judeo legacy when Islam existed before judiasm and christianity?

Islam is NOT a religion, so why are you talking about it as if it is a religion? Get your facts straight. It'd be better to refer to what you're talking about as al'Islam.

There is no "submiitting" in Islam. Learn what the word means! You can't even find Allah in the word let alone submit.



Dumb shit /\/\/\

Instead of complaining about what others say, you should try and stay on topic. If you want to educate people about islam you should make a thread that does so.

Black Man
08-04-2008, 01:00 PM
in islam they'll teach you(speaking of imans) that islam isn't really a religion its a way of life. its all about oneness with Allah.

ISLAM ISN'T A RELIGION, THAT IS TRUE.

i find that taoism and islam are much alike and that it teaches you to be self-reliant and oneness with god maybe this is why rza chose to study taoism(idk).

HOW IS ONE SELF-RELIANT AND YET THEY STILL RELY ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN SELF? THE RELIGION OF AL'ISLAM DOES NOT TEACH A PERSON TO BE SELF-RELIANT, THEY TEACH THE PEOPLE TO BE DEPENDENT ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN SELF.

Taoism refers to a variety of related philosophical and religious traditions and concepts.

WHAT RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS ARE INVOLVED IN TAOISM? WHAT IS RELIGION?

These traditions have influenced East Asia for over two thousand years and some have spread internationally from place to place.The Chinese character Tao 道 (or Dao, depending on the romanisation scheme) means "path" or "way", although in Chinese religion and philosophy it has taken on more abstract meanings.

WHICH IS THE RIGHT ONE? THE ORIGINAL OR THE MADE (RELIGIOUS)?

the Taoist propriety and ethics emphasize the Three Jewels of the Tao: compassion, moderation, and humility.Taoist thought focuses on wu wei (non-action), spontaneity, transformation and emptiness. An emphasis is placed on the link between people and nature, and that this link lessens the need for rules and order, leading one to a better understanding of the world and one's surroundings. <----this is alot like the general order of always being on the alert in islam.Taoism has never been a unified religion, but has rather consisted of numerous teachings based on various revelations

Taoism theology emphasizes various themes such as naturalness, vitality, peace, "non-action" (wu wei), emptiness (refinement), detachment, the strength of softness (or flexibility), receptiveness, spontaneity, the relativism of human ways of life, ways of speaking and guiding behavior.

Taoists believe that human is a microcosm for the universe. The body ties directly into the Chinese five elements. The five organs correlate with the five elements, the five directions and the seasons. Akin to the "hermetic maxim" of "as above, so below", Taoism posits that by understanding himself, man may gain knowledge of the universe, and vice versa.

In Taoism, even beyond Chinese folk religion, various rituals, exercises, and substances are said to positively affect one's physical and mental health. They are also intended to align oneself spiritually with cosmic forces, or enable ecstatic spiritual journeys.[23][24] These concepts seem basic to Taoism in its elite forms. Internal alchemy and various spiritual practices are used by some Taoists to extend life, theoretically even to the point of immortality.

Islam is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, a seventh century Arab religious and political figure.

HOW CAN ISLAM (WHICH IS NOT A RELIGION RIGHT?) BE A MONOTHEISTIC ABRAHAMIC RELIGION (I THOUGHT IT WASN'T A RELIGION) AND IT ORIGINATED WITH MUHAMMAD AND NOT ABRAHAM? THAT DOESN'T ADD UP. IT'S NOT IN IT'S RIGHT ORDER.

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION, NOR DID IT START WITH ABRAHAM OR MUHAMMAD.

The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God .

THIS IS INCORRECT. WHERE IS GOD/ALLAH IN THE WORD ISLAM? WHERE IS THE WORD SUBMISSION IN THE WORD ISLAM? ISLAM DOES NOT MEAN SUBMISSION NOR DOES IT MEAN TOTAL SURRENDER OF ONESELF TO GOD. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "GOD" FOR THE WORD GOD DIDN'T EXIST DURING THAT TIME.

An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits [to God]".

WHERE IS THE WORD SUBMIT IN THE WORD MUSLIM? MUSLIM DOES NOT MEAN ONE WHO SUBMITS TO GOD. WHERE IS GOD IN THE WORD MUSLIM?

BOTH WORDS, MUSLIM AND ISLAM EXISTED BEFORE PROPHET MUHAMMAD, BEFORE ABRAHAM, AND BEFORE THE WORD GOD.

Muslims believe that God revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad, God's final prophet, and regard the Qur'an and the Sunnah (words and deeds of Muhammad) as the fundamental sources of Islam.

THIS IS ALSO INCORRECT. SOME MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE ABOVE. ALL MUSLIMS DO NOT ACCEPT THE SUNNAH AS A FUNDAMENTAL SOURCE OF ISLAM. THERE'S OVER 70 SECTS OF THE RELIGION AL'ISLAM. THE TWO MAJOR ONES DISAGREE ABOUT WHAT IS FUNDAMENTAL AND WHAT'S NOT.

They do not regard Muhammad as the founder of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets. Islamic tradition holds that Jews and Christians distorted the revelations God gave to these prophets by either altering the text, introducing a false interpretation, or both.

Islam includes many religious practices. Adherents are generally required to observe the Five Pillars of Islam, which are five duties that unite Muslims into a community. In addition to the Five Pillars, Islamic law (sharia) has developed a tradition of rulings that touch on virtually all aspects of life and society. This tradition encompasses everything from practical matters like dietary laws and banking to warfare and welfare.

SHARIA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.

the five pillars of islam are

The shahadah, which is the basic creed or tenet of Islam

Salah, or ritual prayer, which must be performed five times a day. (However, the Shi'a are permitted to run together the noon with the afternoon prayers, and the evening with the night prayers).

Zakat, or alms-giving.

Sawm, or fasting during the month of Ramadan.

The Hajj, which is the pilgrimage during the Islamic month of Dhu al-Hijjah in the city of Mecca


Islam's fundamental theological concept is tawhīd—the belief that there is only one god. The Arabic term for God is Allāh.The first of the Five Pillars of Islam, tawhīd is expressed in the shahadah (testification), which declares that there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is God's messenger. In traditional Islamic theology, God is beyond all comprehension; Muslims are not expected to visualize God but to worship and adore him as a protector. Although Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, they reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, comparing it to polytheism. In Islamic theology, Jesus was just a man and not the son of God; God is described in a chapter (sura) of the Qur'an as "…God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him."

The Qur'an is divided into 114 suras, or chapters, which combined, contain 6,236 āyāt, or verses. The chronologically earlier suras, revealed at Mecca, are primarily concerned with ethical and spiritual topics. The later Medinan suras mostly discuss social and moral issues relevant to the Muslim community.

Muslims consider the Qur'an to be the literal word of God; it is the central religious text of Islam. Muslims believe that the verses of the Qur'an were revealed to Muhammad by God through the angel Gabriel on many occasions between 610 and his death on June 8, 632. The Qur'an was reportedly written down by Muhammad's companions (sahabah) while he was alive, although the prime method of transmission was orally. It was compiled in the time of Abu Bakr, the first caliph, and was standardized under the administration of Uthman, the third caliph. The Qur'an in its present form is often considered by academic scholars to record the words spoken by Muhammad because the search for variants in Western academia has not yielded any differences of great significance and that historically controversy over the content of the Qur'an has never become a main point.

Muhammad (c. 570 – June 8, 632) was an Arab religious, political, and military leader who founded the religion of Islam as a historical phenomenon. Muslims view him not as the creator of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original, uncorrupted monotheistic faith of Adam, Abraham and others. In Muslim tradition, Muhammad is viewed as the last and the greatest in a series of prophets—as the man closest to perfection, the possessor of all virtues.For the last 23 years of his life, beginning at age 40, Muhammad reported receiving revelations from God. The content of these revelations, known as the Qur'an, was memorized and recorded by his companions.


The Masjid al-Nabawi ("Mosque of the Prophet") in Medina is the site of Muhammad's tomb.During this time, Muhammad preached to the people of Mecca, imploring them to abandon polytheism. Although some converted to Islam, Muhammad and his followers were persecuted by the leading Meccan authorities. After 13 years of preaching, Muhammad and the Muslims performed the Hijra ("emigration") to the city of Medina (formerly known as Yathrib) in 622. There, with the Medinan converts (Ansar) and the Meccan migrants (Muhajirun), Muhammad established his political and religious authority. Within years, two battles had been fought against Meccan forces: the Battle of Badr in 624, which was a Muslim victory, and the Battle of Uhud in 625, which ended inconclusively. Conflict with Medinan Jewish clans who opposed the Muslims led to their exile, enslavement or death, and the Jewish enclave of Khaybar was subdued. At the same time, Meccan trade routes were cut off as Muhammad brought surrounding desert tribes under his control.[36] By 629 Muhammad was victorious in the nearly bloodless Conquest of Mecca, and by the time of his death in 632 he ruled over the Arabian peninsula.

In Islam, the "normative" example of Muhammad's life is called the Sunnah (literally "trodden path"). This example is preserved in traditions known as hadith ("reports"), which recount his words, his actions, and his personal characteristics. The classical Muslim jurist ash-Shafi'i (d. 820) emphasized the importance of the Sunnah in Islamic law, and Muslims are encouraged to emulate Muhammad's actions in their daily lives. The Sunnah is seen as crucial to guiding interpretation of the Qur'an.


Many practices fall in the category of adab, or Islamic etiquette. This includes greeting others with "as-salamu `alaykum" ("peace be unto you"), saying bismillah ("in the name of God") before meals, and using only the right hand for eating and drinking. Islamic hygienic practices mainly fall into the category of personal cleanliness and health, such as the circumcision of male offspring. Islamic burial rituals include saying the Salat al-Janazah ("funeral prayer") over the bathed and enshrouded dead body, and burying it in a grave. Muslims, like Jews, are restricted in their diet, and prohibited foods include pig products, blood, carrion, and alcohol. All meat must come from a herbivorous animal slaughtered in the name of God by a Muslim, Jew, or Christian, with the exception of game that one has hunted or fished for oneself. Food permissible for Muslims is known as halal food.

Jihad means "to strive or struggle" (in the way of God) and is considered the "sixth pillar of Islam" by a minority of Muslim authorities. Jihad, in its broadest sense, is classically defined as "exerting one's utmost power, efforts, endeavors, or ability in contending with an object of disapprobation.

A mosque is a place of worship for Muslims, who often refer to it by its Arabic name, masjid. The word mosque in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated to Islamic worship, although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, privately owned mosque and the larger, "collective" mosque (masjid jāmi`). Although the primary purpose of the mosque is to serve as a place of prayer, it is also important to the Muslim community as a place to meet and study.

The basic unit of Islamic society is the family, and Islam defines the obligations and legal rights of family members. The father is seen as financially responsible for his family, and is obliged to cater for their well-being. The division of inheritance is specified in the Qur'an, which states that most of it is to pass to the immediate family, while a portion is set aside for the payment of debts and the making of bequests. The woman's share of inheritance is generally half of that of a man with the same rights of succession.[112] Marriage in Islam is a civil contract which consists of an offer and acceptance between two qualified parties in the presence of two witnesses. The groom is required to pay a bridal gift (mahr) to the bride, as stipulated in the contract

A man may have up to four wives if he believes he can treat them equally, while a woman may have only one husband. In most Muslim countries, the process of divorce in Islam is known as talaq, which the husband initiates by pronouncing the word "divorce".[114] Scholars disagree whether Islamic holy texts justify traditional Islamic practices such as veiling and seclusion (purdah). Starting in the 20th century, Muslim social reformers argued against these and other practices such as polygamy, with varying success. At the same time, many Muslim women have attempted to reconcile tradition with modernity by combining an active life with outward modesty. Certain Islamist groups like the Taliban have sought to continue traditional law as applied to women.

in taoism it is said the man sole purpose is to please the woman. im finding that as i begin reading more books on taoism its seems as if it takes bit and pieces from different religions.
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WARPATH
08-04-2008, 01:15 PM
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Then you should go post in that thread.

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I respect...............

I respect all religions that promote spiritual growth.

That was hard.

SID
08-04-2008, 02:06 PM
shut the hell up you nigger lovin ape

i didn't make this thread for your community college enrollment procrastination to come in here and start this ignorant bullshit

appologize faggot

you cant have an honest discussion on this emm effer without that weirdo gay shit poppin up, but i guess your right. very right

Are you a schizo dude?

you seem very mentally unstable, or is that jus part of your sad gimmick?

1 minute iam building in your threads tellin you bout my culture and you takin heed n shit

next minute you on some homo shit


anyway go do what you do best.....

































suck cock and front like your straight, we can even tell online....theres no where to hide son


hahahahahaha

WARPATH
08-04-2008, 02:10 PM
Are you a schizo dude?

you seem very mentally unstable, or is that jus part of your sad gimmick?

1 minute iam building in your threads tellin you bout my culture and you takin heed n shit

next minute you on some homo shit


anyway go do what you do best.....

































suck cock and front like your straight, we can even tell online....theres no where to hide son


hahahahahaha

That was a very mature response.

SID
08-04-2008, 02:14 PM
I dont wanna let the kid get away with sonnin everyone, everytime his gayness gets too much for him....

Black Man
08-04-2008, 02:21 PM
I dont wanna let the kid get away with sonnin everyone, everytime his gayness gets too much for him....

:thumbup:

STYLE
08-04-2008, 03:08 PM
TSA is incapable of having an intelligent discussion without his AIDS
flaring up.

he's good for one or two posts a thead then its back to the gen chat.


you have to understand that he does what big brother does.
Style makes religious KTL thread....Tissy makes one too.

notice the similarities i format and tone.


the diff is, Tissa's thread is a bookreport.
my thread is a testimonial.



ps. i like the new attitude black man. seriously. i would have puked if you posted
"what is the diff between a relig and a nation?"


pss. sid, i feel you on the zionists.

Fatal Guillotine
08-04-2008, 03:12 PM
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and whats the purpose for this?

Fatal Guillotine
08-04-2008, 03:19 PM
if i wrong about a particular subject or something that i said then why cant you point it out black man. your always doing this yet you never states the facts nor do you give the information i maybe or others be looking for. im not trying to knock you just stop trying to knock everyone if your not gonna drop knowledge in this cipher and whose to say you cant be wrong?

Black Man
08-04-2008, 04:42 PM
if i wrong about a particular subject or something that i said then why cant you point it out black man.

I DID POINT IT OUT. GO BACK AND READ AND YOU'LL SEE. I TYPED MY RESPONSES IN ALL CAPS.

your always doing this yet you never states the facts nor do you give the information i maybe or others be looking for.

JUST BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE YOU THE ANSWER THAT YOU WANT, DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DON'T GIVE YOU THE ANSWER. IF YOU REJECT WHATS GIVEN, THAT'S ON YOU, NOT ME.

im not trying to knock you just stop trying to knock everyone if your not gonna drop knowledge in this cipher and whose to say you cant be wrong?

Before you even made your post in this thread, all of that information was covered multiple of times.

I wonder if you even read whats being said to you. You make the claim that all I do is say you're wrong, so lets take a look.....

HOW IS ONE SELF-RELIANT AND YET THEY STILL RELY ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN SELF? THE RELIGION OF AL'ISLAM DOES NOT TEACH A PERSON TO BE SELF-RELIANT, THEY TEACH THE PEOPLE TO BE DEPENDENT ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN SELF.

I made the above statement in response to what you said. I dropped the knowledge you chose not to do the knowledge. You're in error not me.

You made a reference that Islam is a religion.

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION, NOR DID IT START WITH ABRAHAM OR MUHAMMAD.

Yet again, I give information.

Its seems like it's not my response to you that you have an issue with, it's the questions that you can't answer or didn't answer and then try to say I'm not giving you the information. The majority of my response to you were questions, not statements.

Black Man
08-04-2008, 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Allahs_Disciple http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1264983#post1264983)
in islam they'll teach you(speaking of imans) that islam isn't really a religion its a way of life. its all about oneness with Allah.

ISLAM ISN'T A RELIGION, THAT IS TRUE.

Here, I'm in agreement that Islam is not a religion.

i find that taoism and islam are much alike and that it teaches you to be self-reliant and oneness with god maybe this is why rza chose to study taoism(idk).

HOW IS ONE SELF-RELIANT AND YET THEY STILL RELY ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN SELF? THE RELIGION OF AL'ISLAM DOES NOT TEACH A PERSON TO BE SELF-RELIANT, THEY TEACH THE PEOPLE TO BE DEPENDENT ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN SELF.

here, i simply ask a question based on your statements. i also state how al'islam doesnot teach a person to be self-relaiant and i also showed you why. i did not simply state you were wrong, however, you must have either over looked this fact or you simply refused to see it.

Taoism refers to a variety of related philosophical and religious traditions and concepts.

WHAT RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS ARE INVOLVED IN TAOISM? WHAT IS RELIGION?

again, i simply ask a question about the religious traditions involved in taoism and what is religion? simple questions, i didn't say you were wrong about anything, just questions. do you have a problem with the questions?

These traditions have influenced East Asia for over two thousand years and some have spread internationally from place to place.The Chinese character Tao 道 (or Dao, depending on the romanisation scheme) means "path" or "way", although in Chinese religion and philosophy it has taken on more abstract meanings.

WHICH IS THE RIGHT ONE? THE ORIGINAL OR THE MADE (RELIGIOUS)?

again, i ask a question regarding which is the right one.

the Taoist propriety and ethics emphasize the Three Jewels of the Tao: compassion, moderation, and humility.Taoist thought focuses on wu wei (non-action), spontaneity, transformation and emptiness. An emphasis is placed on the link between people and nature, and that this link lessens the need for rules and order, leading one to a better understanding of the world and one's surroundings. <----this is alot like the general order of always being on the alert in islam.Taoism has never been a unified religion, but has rather consisted of numerous teachings based on various revelations

Taoism theology emphasizes various themes such as naturalness, vitality, peace, "non-action" (wu wei), emptiness (refinement), detachment, the strength of softness (or flexibility), receptiveness, spontaneity, the relativism of human ways of life, ways of speaking and guiding behavior.

Taoists believe that human is a microcosm for the universe. The body ties directly into the Chinese five elements. The five organs correlate with the five elements, the five directions and the seasons. Akin to the "hermetic maxim" of "as above, so below", Taoism posits that by understanding himself, man may gain knowledge of the universe, and vice versa.

In Taoism, even beyond Chinese folk religion, various rituals, exercises, and substances are said to positively affect one's physical and mental health. They are also intended to align oneself spiritually with cosmic forces, or enable ecstatic spiritual journeys.[23][24] These concepts seem basic to Taoism in its elite forms. Internal alchemy and various spiritual practices are used by some Taoists to extend life, theoretically even to the point of immortality.

Islam is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, a seventh century Arab religious and political figure.

HOW CAN ISLAM (WHICH IS NOT A RELIGION RIGHT?) BE A MONOTHEISTIC ABRAHAMIC RELIGION (I THOUGHT IT WASN'T A RELIGION) AND IT ORIGINATED WITH MUHAMMAD AND NOT ABRAHAM? THAT DOESN'T ADD UP. IT'S NOT IN IT'S RIGHT ORDER.

here, i ask question regarding chronological order and then i say it's not in it's right order......even based on the information you provide.

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION, NOR DID IT START WITH ABRAHAM OR MUHAMMAD.

since you ask for me to drop knowledge, here it is. islam is not a religion and islam did not start with abraham. you must not be satisfied with the knowledge presented to you.

The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God .

THIS IS INCORRECT. WHERE IS GOD/ALLAH IN THE WORD ISLAM? WHERE IS THE WORD SUBMISSION IN THE WORD ISLAM? ISLAM DOES NOT MEAN SUBMISSION NOR DOES IT MEAN TOTAL SURRENDER OF ONESELF TO GOD. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "GOD" FOR THE WORD GOD DIDN'T EXIST DURING THAT TIME.

although i didn't give you the answer here, the answer was already revealed. and whether or not i gave the answer, you've been given direction to find out the answer. you're not afraid of a little research are you?

An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits [to God]".

WHERE IS THE WORD SUBMIT IN THE WORD MUSLIM? MUSLIM DOES NOT MEAN ONE WHO SUBMITS TO GOD. WHERE IS GOD IN THE WORD MUSLIM?

BOTH WORDS, MUSLIM AND ISLAM EXISTED BEFORE PROPHET MUHAMMAD, BEFORE ABRAHAM, AND BEFORE THE WORD GOD.

refer to my last statement.

Muslims believe that God revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad, God's final prophet, and regard the Qur'an and the Sunnah (words and deeds of Muhammad) as the fundamental sources of Islam.

THIS IS ALSO INCORRECT. SOME MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE ABOVE. ALL MUSLIMS DO NOT ACCEPT THE SUNNAH AS A FUNDAMENTAL SOURCE OF ISLAM. THERE'S OVER 70 SECTS OF THE RELIGION AL'ISLAM. THE TWO MAJOR ONES DISAGREE ABOUT WHAT IS FUNDAMENTAL AND WHAT'S NOT.

here again, i do state that something is incorrect.....hold up a sec......is that what i think it is.......yup, not only do i say what's incorrect, i also correct the error.

next time, read. make sure you do a thorough job reading and you won't make the same mistake.

Fatal Guillotine
08-04-2008, 05:43 PM
i dont have a problem with you or anything you said.

How can Islam be a monotheistic religion

Easy. Monotheistic/Monothesim is the belief in the existence of one deity, or in the oneness of God.

Abrahamic religions are monotheistic faiths- such as Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, that rcognize spiritual traditions with Abraham. I didnt say that it start with Abraham or Muhammad. I said its abrahamic religion.Use of the term is far from universal and has been found to be problematic for many reasons. So im not surprise you post this

What religious tradition(s) are involved in Taoism?

At certain dates, food may be set out as a sacrifice to the gods and/or spirits of the departed.This may include slaughtered pigs and ducks, or fruit. Another form of sacrifice involves the burning of Joss paper or Hell Bank Notes, on the assumption that images thus consumed by the fire will reappear—not as a mere image, but as the actual item—in the spirit world, and be available for the departed spirit to use.

There is a long history involvement by Taoists in various exercise and movement techniques. Tai chi in particular works on all parts of the body. It "stimulates the central nervous system, lowers blood pressure, relieves stress and gently tones muscles without strain. It also enhances digestion, elimination of wastes and the circulation of blood. Moreover, tai chi's rhythmic movements massage the internal organs and improve their functionality." Traditional Chinese medicine teaches that illness is caused by blockages or lack of balance in the body's "chi" (intrinsic energy). Tai Chi is believed to balance this energy flow.


Taoists follow the art of "wu wei," which is to let nature take its course. For example, one should allow a river to flow towards the sea unimpeded; do not erect a dam which would interfere with its natural flow.

The Tao Te Ching, or Daodejing, is widely considered to be the most influential Taoist text. It is a foundational scripture of central importance in Taoism. It has been used as a ritual text throughout the history of religious Taoism.

In practice Taoism recommends the same sorts of moral behaviour to its followers as other religions.

It disapproves of killing, stealing, lying and promiscuity, and promotes altruistic, helpful and kindly behaviour.

Taoists believe such good behaviour is an essential part not only of self-improvement but of improving the world as a whole.

Cultivate the Tao within oneself; and one's virtue will be perfected.
Cultivate it within the household, and one's virtue will be abundant.
Cultivate it within the neighbourhood, and one's virtue will be enduring.
Cultivate it within the nation, and one's virtue will be overflowing.
Cultivate it within the entire world, and one's virtue will be universal

Taoist rituals involve purification, meditation and offerings to deities. The details of Taoist rituals are often highly complex and technical and therefore left to the priests, with the congregation playing little part. The rituals involve the priest (and assistants) in chanting and playing instruments (particularly wind and percussion), and also dancing.

One major Taoist ritual is the chiao (jiao), a rite of cosmic renewal, which is itself made up of several rituals.

A shortened version of the chiao is a ritual in which each household in a village brings an offering for the local deities. In the ceremony a Taoist priest dedicates the offerings in the names of the families, performs a ritual to restore order to the universe, and asks the gods to bring peace and prosperity to the village.

Classical Taoist sexual techniques are designed to increase a person's sexual energy and to retain it. This is because sexual energy is life-enhancing.

Taoist texts recommend that men should conserve their sexual energy by not ejaculating during sexual activity, as this involves losing sexual energy. A similar practice is recommended for women by some writers, although other texts teach that the female orgasm does not involve losing sexual energy but in some way increases it for both the woman and her partner, and that there is therefore no reason for women to avoid it.

This second philosophy leads the texts to recommend that men should have many sexual partners in order to gain access to the female release of beneficial sexual energy.

To Western eyes there may be a contradiction between the basic Taoist philosophy of not interfering in the natural course of events, and the highly interventionist sexual strategy recommended by Taoism. To Western eyes there may also be a rather distasteful favouring of the sexual experience of men against that of women, although it can be argued that the prolonging of intercourse by delaying male orgasm may in fact benefit women.

Taoist teachings on sex are clearly intended for adepts rather than ordinary people - if ordinary people practiced this level of sexual control all the time, then Taoism is believe to cease to exist in a few generations.

Physical practices
Because Taoism doesn't make a rigid division between body and spirit, it recognises that physical actions have a spiritual effect.

Purity
Taoist texts teach the importance of keeping the body pure in order to ensure spiritual health. To remain pure a person should avoid certain activities and foods. Greed, lust, pride and dishonesty are examples of things that should be avoided.

Meditation
Meditation is important to many Taoists. Complex meditation rituals are practiced in various temples.

A vital use of meditation is to create mental stillness and enhance mindfulness. This can give a person the mental space to know the Tao directly.

Breathing
Breath is the most easily perceived form of ch'i, and there are many Taoist breathing exercises. Taoist breathing exercises are called Qui Gong.

Energy flow
The flow of life energy - ch'i - within the body can be enhanced, regulated and harmonised by various forms of exercise, meditation, and techniques such as acupuncture and moxibustion.

Martial arts
Tai Chi originally derived from Taoist exercises created by Chang San- Feng (Zhang Sanfeng) (1127-1279 CE). Modern forms of Tai Chi are more likely to be secular exercises than Taoist practices.

Diet
Classical Taoist teaching recommends abstaining from alcohol, meat, beans and grains.

Taoist physical practices, such as breath exercises, massage, martial arts, yoga and meditation are designed to transform a person both mentally and physically and so bring them into closer harmony with the Tao.

The writer Norman Girardot puts it like this:

the whole thrust of Taoism has always been in terms of healing methods that seek to re-establish the original balanced wholeness of human nature and society.
Girardot, N.J., Myth and Meaning in Early Taoism: The Theme of Chaos (hun-tun)
Many of these practices are called internal alchemy (nei-dun) by Taoists.

Taoists also practice external alchemy (wai-dan), which involves diet and the use of minerals and herbs to promote long life.

Why call it alchemy?
Alchemists are people who want to transform things into something more valuable, such as converting lead into gold.

Taoist alchemy is concerned with transforming human beings so as to give them longer life and bring them closer to the Tao.

The first alchemists were seeking an elixir which could be used to turn cheap metal into gold. They worked in laboratories, grinding, mixing and heating various substances together in search of the magical compound.

Other alchemists went in search of a different sort of elixir; a pill, potion or practice that would make human beings immortal.

Creating this elixir also involved various combinations of ingredients and particular methods of heating, grinding and mixing, together with other rituals.

This became known as wai-dan (external alchemy) presumably because it involved adding something to the body from outside.

It was both a literal idea, since some people must have hoped to live for ever, and a metaphorical one in which the spirit was steadily purified and came closer to unity with the Tao.

Interior alchemy, which didn't involve external physical compounds, probably developed slightly later. For a long time both were practiced together (rather in the same way that some modern patients will use both drugs and meditation to deal with sickness).

Interior alchemy also seeks to achieve longer life, purity and closeness to the Tao, but the practitioner works on themselves without the use of chemicals to transform the elements within their body into purer forms that will promote the energy of life.

The texts retain the alchemical link by using the language of making an elixir and of chemical transformation to describe internal spiritual development.

^^^^some traditions as well as practices.

Which is the right one?The original or made?

the answer to this question varies from person to person. their are different branches of this but such as i-kuan tao/ yi guan dao.incorporates much older elements from Confucianism, Taoism, and Chinese Buddhism, and recognizes the validity of non-Chinese religious traditions such as Christianity and Islam as well.

I-Kuan Tao flourished in Taiwan starting in the 1970s. Currently, it is the third most popular faith in Taiwan (after Buddhism and Taoism). It claims two million members, and in overseas Chinese communities around the world. i only know a little about I-Kuan Tao but what i do know is I-kuan means something like "penetrating with one", "consistency" or "one unity." This term is derived from a passage of Analects (4.15) where Confucius said that his way is that of "an all-pervading Truth".

I-Kuan Tao represents a moralistic society, with objective to help save all human from the last calamity. The members are encouraged to follow morality practices such as:

The "five ethics" and "eight virtues" (from Confucianism)
Vegetarianism, and abstinence from alcohol and tobacco (as in Chinese Buddhism)
Initiation of new member into "Tao" (analogous to Buddha nature in Ch'an)
Daily prayer (2~3 times)
Attending religious classes, ceremony or Moralistic Lecture, which also include Ceremony of Offerings, Prayers, etc.
Chanting scriptures (as in all Chinese religious movements and faiths)
Followers of I-Kuan Tao are encouraged to help bring and initiate new members, practice vegetarianism and open temples or shrines at their homes.


To become a follower, one has to go through the Initiation ceremony. A new follower is initiated by a Tao Transmitting master (點傳師, Dian Chuan Shi) which is believed to hold the Mandate of Heaven (天命) to salvage one's soul. A new initiate is then given the "Three Treasures" 三寶 (San Bao) which has to be kept as secret and cannot be told to others.

However, it is probably not giving away too much to reveal that the three treasures consist of a meditation technique, a mudra (hand gesture) and a chant that are said to provide great power when used in unison.

As a follower, the promise is that with the three treasures he/she is able to directly ascend to heaven. The proof being:

For all those who received Tien-Tao 天道 through the Enlightened teacher, provided they cultivated themselves i.e. to bring out the compassion in them, they all go with a smile on their face. The corpses do not stiffen in winter or decay with foul smell in summer, for the souls left the body through the Right portal.

Deities

Ming Ming Shang Ti ,"Clear (Luminous) Emperor on High" — analogous to the Judeo-Christian God. Also referred to as Wuji Laomu , the "Ancient Mother of Limitless Heaven". She (or he) is the high being who transcends all the lesser gods of the Chinese pantheon. The roughly translated full name of this deity is The Bright Illustrious Almighty Eternal Pure Tranquil Void Utmost Sacred and Revered, The Lord of all beings in the entire Universe.

Maitreya,the next Buddha to succeed the historical Sakyamuni Buddha and who has come already according to I-Kuan Tao; Maitreya was reincarnated as Lu Zhong Yi.

Guan Yin, the Bodhisattva of Mercy. In I-Kuan Tao, she is referred as The Ancient Buddha of the South Sea.

Ji Gong, known as Living Buddha Ji Gong (Huofo Shizun) a Zen Buddhist monk revered as a reincarnation of an Arhat. Zhang Tian Ran, is believed to be the reincarnation.

Yue Hui, is the Moon Wisdom Bodhisattva who was reincarnated as Sun Su Zhen, the matriarch of I-Kuan Tao.

Guan Yu (also called Guan Gong or Guan Ti), an apotheosized Chinese general from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms who is commonly worshipped in Chinese temples, both Buddhist and Taoist. He is a Heavenly Guardian against evil. I-Kuan Tao honors him as the commander of the precepts together with Lü Dongbin, Zhang Fei (Three Kingdoms) and Yue Fei.

Lu Dongbin is a Chinese deity/Immortal.. Dòngbīn is the most widely known of the group of deities known as the Eight Immortals.

Teachers
Lu Zhong Yi (路中一), the 17th Patriarch of I-Kuan Tao. He was believed to be the incarnation of Maitreya. He attained the title in 1905 when God mandated him to continue the Tao lineage.

Zhang Tian Ran ,made the name I-Kuan Tao official, was the 18th patriarch. He was believed to be the incarnation of Ji Gong, and became Tianran Ancient Buddha after his passing.

Sun Su Zhen the I-Kuan Tao 18th matriarch and the wife in name to Zhang Tian Ran. She was believed to be the incarnation of Yue Hui Bodhisattva and became the Holy Mother of the Chinese after her passing.

The official history from I-Kuan Tao stated that I-Kuan Tao or Tao can be divided into 3 periods. The first is The early 18 Eastern line, originated from the mythical figure Fu Xi, the creator of the Bagua. This is followed by other mythical and historical figures such as Shen Nong, Huang Di (Yellow Emperor), Laozi the author of the Dao De Jing, Confucius, and the last is Mencius. Then it is said because of the turmoil period in China, Laozi brought Tao to India and initiated Sakyamuni Buddha.

The second lineage called the twenty-eight western lineage begins. This followed the Buddhist Ch'an or Zen lineage from Sakyamuni to Mahakasyapa, and finally Bodhidharma. It is said that Bodhidharma brought the Tao back to China to begin the Later eighteen eastern lineages. Following the Zen lineage from Bodhidharma to the sixth and officially last patriarch of Chinese Ch'an, Huineng. The lineage then continues with sectarian figures.

Research pointed that it stemmed from Xiantiandao (先天道) or the Way of Former Heaven. The founder of Xiantiandao is Huang Dehui ( 1624-1690). The I-Kuan Tao and the Xiantiandao considered him as the ninth patriarch. Findings from the Ching dynasty documents mentioned that Wang Jueyi (, 1821-1884), the fifteenth patriarch, propagated another religious teaching; Sanjiao Yiguan Zhizhi (Unity of 3 Religions) in the 1850s.

However, I-Kuan Tao started to flourish in China during the leadership of Zhang Tian Ran. During the leadership of Zhang Tian Ran, I-Kuan Tao spread from Shandong to many cities in North, Central and Southern China. Zhang died shortly during the civil war in 1947. After Zhang's death, Madame Sun Su Zhen succeeded him as matriarch of I-Kuan Tao.

However, according to I-Kuan Tao believers, Madame Sun was not really Zhang's wife. At a chaotic time in China, coupled with the traditional thinking common among Chinese communities at that period, it was inappropriate for a man and a woman who had no family connection to travel together. In order to silence the critics and misconceptions of the public, they declared that they were married to each another. They were married in name but were never a real husband and wife.

When communism took over in China, many I-Kuan Tao followers and leaders departed to Hong Kong and Taiwan. In 1951, I-Kuan Tao was banned in the PRC and many of the followers and leaders were persecuted. Sun Su Zhen and other I-Kuan Tao leaders left China, and arrived in Hong Kong. Sun then moved to Taiwan in 1954, where she lived as a virtual recluse under the care of followers such as Wang Hao De until her death in 1975.

T'ung-shan She ("Society of Goodness")
Tien-te Sheng-chiao ("Sacred Religion of Celestial Virtue")
Daoyuan ("Sanctuary of the Tao")
Tz'u-hui Tang ("Compassion Society")


But i believe that taoism is the original religion because i-kuan tao and xian tian tao takes from taoism.

Fatal Guillotine
08-04-2008, 05:45 PM
A religion is a set of beliefs and practices, often centered upon specific supernatural and moral claims about reality, the cosmos, and human nature, and often codified as prayer, ritual, or religious law. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction.
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Cee Oh Vee
08-04-2008, 08:38 PM
I've only skim-read this thread so far, but I'd just like to add a few things.

Islam is the Deen of Allah.

Deen means life-transaction. The Deen of Allah and the Muslim community is Islam. It is not a 'religion'.

And to think the Shari`a has nothing to do with Islam only shows one does not understand Islam, let alone the shari`a very well at all.

Black Man
08-05-2008, 06:17 AM
i dont have a problem with you or anything you said.



Easy. Monotheistic/Monothesim is the belief in the existence of one deity, or in the oneness of God.

Abrahamic religions are monotheistic faiths- such as Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, that rcognize spiritual traditions with Abraham. I didnt say that it start with Abraham or Muhammad. I said its abrahamic religion.Use of the term is far from universal and has been found to be problematic for many reasons. So im not surprise you post this

DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT ISLAM WAS NOT A RELIGION?

At certain dates, food may be set out as a sacrifice to the gods and/or spirits of the departed.This may include slaughtered pigs and ducks, or fruit. Another form of sacrifice involves the burning of Joss paper or Hell Bank Notes, on the assumption that images thus consumed by the fire will reappear—not as a mere image, but as the actual item—in the spirit world, and be available for the departed spirit to use.

There is a long history involvement by Taoists in various exercise and movement techniques. Tai chi in particular works on all parts of the body. It "stimulates the central nervous system, lowers blood pressure, relieves stress and gently tones muscles without strain. It also enhances digestion, elimination of wastes and the circulation of blood. Moreover, tai chi's rhythmic movements massage the internal organs and improve their functionality." Traditional Chinese medicine teaches that illness is caused by blockages or lack of balance in the body's "chi" (intrinsic energy). Tai Chi is believed to balance this energy flow.

Taoists follow the art of "wu wei," which is to let nature take its course. For example, one should allow a river to flow towards the sea unimpeded; do not erect a dam which would interfere with its natural flow.

The Tao Te Ching, or Daodejing, is widely considered to be the most influential Taoist text. It is a foundational scripture of central importance in Taoism. It has been used as a ritual text throughout the history of religious Taoism.

In practice Taoism recommends the same sorts of moral behaviour to its followers as other religions.

It disapproves of killing, stealing, lying and promiscuity, and promotes altruistic, helpful and kindly behaviour.

Taoists believe such good behaviour is an essential part not only of self-improvement but of improving the world as a whole.



Taoist rituals involve purification, meditation and offerings to deities. The details of Taoist rituals are often highly complex and technical and therefore left to the priests, with the congregation playing little part. The rituals involve the priest (and assistants) in chanting and playing instruments (particularly wind and percussion), and also dancing.

One major Taoist ritual is the chiao (jiao), a rite of cosmic renewal, which is itself made up of several rituals.

A shortened version of the chiao is a ritual in which each household in a village brings an offering for the local deities. In the ceremony a Taoist priest dedicates the offerings in the names of the families, performs a ritual to restore order to the universe, and asks the gods to bring peace and prosperity to the village.

Classical Taoist sexual techniques are designed to increase a person's sexual energy and to retain it. This is because sexual energy is life-enhancing.

Taoist texts recommend that men should conserve their sexual energy by not ejaculating during sexual activity, as this involves losing sexual energy. A similar practice is recommended for women by some writers, although other texts teach that the female orgasm does not involve losing sexual energy but in some way increases it for both the woman and her partner, and that there is therefore no reason for women to avoid it.

This second philosophy leads the texts to recommend that men should have many sexual partners in order to gain access to the female release of beneficial sexual energy.

To Western eyes there may be a contradiction between the basic Taoist philosophy of not interfering in the natural course of events, and the highly interventionist sexual strategy recommended by Taoism. To Western eyes there may also be a rather distasteful favouring of the sexual experience of men against that of women, although it can be argued that the prolonging of intercourse by delaying male orgasm may in fact benefit women.

Taoist teachings on sex are clearly intended for adepts rather than ordinary people - if ordinary people practiced this level of sexual control all the time, then Taoism is believe to cease to exist in a few generations.

Physical practices
Because Taoism doesn't make a rigid division between body and spirit, it recognises that physical actions have a spiritual effect.

Purity
Taoist texts teach the importance of keeping the body pure in order to ensure spiritual health. To remain pure a person should avoid certain activities and foods. Greed, lust, pride and dishonesty are examples of things that should be avoided.

Meditation
Meditation is important to many Taoists. Complex meditation rituals are practiced in various temples.

A vital use of meditation is to create mental stillness and enhance mindfulness. This can give a person the mental space to know the Tao directly.

Breathing
Breath is the most easily perceived form of ch'i, and there are many Taoist breathing exercises. Taoist breathing exercises are called Qui Gong.

Energy flow
The flow of life energy - ch'i - within the body can be enhanced, regulated and harmonised by various forms of exercise, meditation, and techniques such as acupuncture and moxibustion.

Martial arts
Tai Chi originally derived from Taoist exercises created by Chang San- Feng (Zhang Sanfeng) (1127-1279 CE). Modern forms of Tai Chi are more likely to be secular exercises than Taoist practices.

Diet
Classical Taoist teaching recommends abstaining from alcohol, meat, beans and grains.

Taoist physical practices, such as breath exercises, massage, martial arts, yoga and meditation are designed to transform a person both mentally and physically and so bring them into closer harmony with the Tao.

The writer Norman Girardot puts it like this:

the whole thrust of Taoism has always been in terms of healing methods that seek to re-establish the original balanced wholeness of human nature and society.
Girardot, N.J., Myth and Meaning in Early Taoism: The Theme of Chaos (hun-tun)
Many of these practices are called internal alchemy (nei-dun) by Taoists.

Taoists also practice external alchemy (wai-dan), which involves diet and the use of minerals and herbs to promote long life.

Why call it alchemy?
Alchemists are people who want to transform things into something more valuable, such as converting lead into gold.

Taoist alchemy is concerned with transforming human beings so as to give them longer life and bring them closer to the Tao.

The first alchemists were seeking an elixir which could be used to turn cheap metal into gold. They worked in laboratories, grinding, mixing and heating various substances together in search of the magical compound.

Other alchemists went in search of a different sort of elixir; a pill, potion or practice that would make human beings immortal.

Creating this elixir also involved various combinations of ingredients and particular methods of heating, grinding and mixing, together with other rituals.

This became known as wai-dan (external alchemy) presumably because it involved adding something to the body from outside.

It was both a literal idea, since some people must have hoped to live for ever, and a metaphorical one in which the spirit was steadily purified and came closer to unity with the Tao.

Interior alchemy, which didn't involve external physical compounds, probably developed slightly later. For a long time both were practiced together (rather in the same way that some modern patients will use both drugs and meditation to deal with sickness).

Interior alchemy also seeks to achieve longer life, purity and closeness to the Tao, but the practitioner works on themselves without the use of chemicals to transform the elements within their body into purer forms that will promote the energy of life.

The texts retain the alchemical link by using the language of making an elixir and of chemical transformation to describe internal spiritual development.

^^^^some traditions as well as practices.



the answer to this question varies from person to person. their are different branches of this but such as i-kuan tao/ yi guan dao.incorporates much older elements from Confucianism, Taoism, and Chinese Buddhism, and recognizes the validity of non-Chinese religious traditions such as Christianity and Islam as well.

I-Kuan Tao flourished in Taiwan starting in the 1970s. Currently, it is the third most popular faith in Taiwan (after Buddhism and Taoism). It claims two million members, and in overseas Chinese communities around the world. i only know a little about I-Kuan Tao but what i do know is I-kuan means something like "penetrating with one", "consistency" or "one unity." This term is derived from a passage of Analects (4.15) where Confucius said that his way is that of "an all-pervading Truth".

I-Kuan Tao represents a moralistic society, with objective to help save all human from the last calamity. The members are encouraged to follow morality practices such as:

The "five ethics" and "eight virtues" (from Confucianism)
Vegetarianism, and abstinence from alcohol and tobacco (as in Chinese Buddhism)
Initiation of new member into "Tao" (analogous to Buddha nature in Ch'an)
Daily prayer (2~3 times)
Attending religious classes, ceremony or Moralistic Lecture, which also include Ceremony of Offerings, Prayers, etc.
Chanting scriptures (as in all Chinese religious movements and faiths)
Followers of I-Kuan Tao are encouraged to help bring and initiate new members, practice vegetarianism and open temples or shrines at their homes.


To become a follower, one has to go through the Initiation ceremony. A new follower is initiated by a Tao Transmitting master (點傳師, Dian Chuan Shi) which is believed to hold the Mandate of Heaven (天命) to salvage one's soul. A new initiate is then given the "Three Treasures" 三寶 (San Bao) which has to be kept as secret and cannot be told to others.

However, it is probably not giving away too much to reveal that the three treasures consist of a meditation technique, a mudra (hand gesture) and a chant that are said to provide great power when used in unison.

As a follower, the promise is that with the three treasures he/she is able to directly ascend to heaven. The proof being:

For all those who received Tien-Tao 天道 through the Enlightened teacher, provided they cultivated themselves i.e. to bring out the compassion in them, they all go with a smile on their face. The corpses do not stiffen in winter or decay with foul smell in summer, for the souls left the body through the Right portal.



Ming Ming Shang Ti ,"Clear (Luminous) Emperor on High" — analogous to the Judeo-Christian God. Also referred to as Wuji Laomu , the "Ancient Mother of Limitless Heaven". She (or he) is the high being who transcends all the lesser gods of the Chinese pantheon. The roughly translated full name of this deity is The Bright Illustrious Almighty Eternal Pure Tranquil Void Utmost Sacred and Revered, The Lord of all beings in the entire Universe.

Maitreya,the next Buddha to succeed the historical Sakyamuni Buddha and who has come already according to I-Kuan Tao; Maitreya was reincarnated as Lu Zhong Yi.

Guan Yin, the Bodhisattva of Mercy. In I-Kuan Tao, she is referred as The Ancient Buddha of the South Sea.

Ji Gong, known as Living Buddha Ji Gong (Huofo Shizun) a Zen Buddhist monk revered as a reincarnation of an Arhat. Zhang Tian Ran, is believed to be the reincarnation.

Yue Hui, is the Moon Wisdom Bodhisattva who was reincarnated as Sun Su Zhen, the matriarch of I-Kuan Tao.

Guan Yu (also called Guan Gong or Guan Ti), an apotheosized Chinese general from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms who is commonly worshipped in Chinese temples, both Buddhist and Taoist. He is a Heavenly Guardian against evil. I-Kuan Tao honors him as the commander of the precepts together with Lü Dongbin, Zhang Fei (Three Kingdoms) and Yue Fei.

Lu Dongbin is a Chinese deity/Immortal.. Dòngbīn is the most widely known of the group of deities known as the Eight Immortals.


Lu Zhong Yi (路中一), the 17th Patriarch of I-Kuan Tao. He was believed to be the incarnation of Maitreya. He attained the title in 1905 when God mandated him to continue the Tao lineage.

Zhang Tian Ran ,made the name I-Kuan Tao official, was the 18th patriarch. He was believed to be the incarnation of Ji Gong, and became Tianran Ancient Buddha after his passing.

Sun Su Zhen the I-Kuan Tao 18th matriarch and the wife in name to Zhang Tian Ran. She was believed to be the incarnation of Yue Hui Bodhisattva and became the Holy Mother of the Chinese after her passing.

The official history from I-Kuan Tao stated that I-Kuan Tao or Tao can be divided into 3 periods. The first is The early 18 Eastern line, originated from the mythical figure Fu Xi, the creator of the Bagua. This is followed by other mythical and historical figures such as Shen Nong, Huang Di (Yellow Emperor), Laozi the author of the Dao De Jing, Confucius, and the last is Mencius. Then it is said because of the turmoil period in China, Laozi brought Tao to India and initiated Sakyamuni Buddha.

The second lineage called the twenty-eight western lineage begins. This followed the Buddhist Ch'an or Zen lineage from Sakyamuni to Mahakasyapa, and finally Bodhidharma. It is said that Bodhidharma brought the Tao back to China to begin the Later eighteen eastern lineages. Following the Zen lineage from Bodhidharma to the sixth and officially last patriarch of Chinese Ch'an, Huineng. The lineage then continues with sectarian figures.

Research pointed that it stemmed from Xiantiandao (先天道) or the Way of Former Heaven. The founder of Xiantiandao is Huang Dehui ( 1624-1690). The I-Kuan Tao and the Xiantiandao considered him as the ninth patriarch. Findings from the Ching dynasty documents mentioned that Wang Jueyi (, 1821-1884), the fifteenth patriarch, propagated another religious teaching; Sanjiao Yiguan Zhizhi (Unity of 3 Religions) in the 1850s.

However, I-Kuan Tao started to flourish in China during the leadership of Zhang Tian Ran. During the leadership of Zhang Tian Ran, I-Kuan Tao spread from Shandong to many cities in North, Central and Southern China. Zhang died shortly during the civil war in 1947. After Zhang's death, Madame Sun Su Zhen succeeded him as matriarch of I-Kuan Tao.

However, according to I-Kuan Tao believers, Madame Sun was not really Zhang's wife. At a chaotic time in China, coupled with the traditional thinking common among Chinese communities at that period, it was inappropriate for a man and a woman who had no family connection to travel together. In order to silence the critics and misconceptions of the public, they declared that they were married to each another. They were married in name but were never a real husband and wife.

When communism took over in China, many I-Kuan Tao followers and leaders departed to Hong Kong and Taiwan. In 1951, I-Kuan Tao was banned in the PRC and many of the followers and leaders were persecuted. Sun Su Zhen and other I-Kuan Tao leaders left China, and arrived in Hong Kong. Sun then moved to Taiwan in 1954, where she lived as a virtual recluse under the care of followers such as Wang Hao De until her death in 1975.

T'ung-shan She ("Society of Goodness")
Tien-te Sheng-chiao ("Sacred Religion of Celestial Virtue")
Daoyuan ("Sanctuary of the Tao")
Tz'u-hui Tang ("Compassion Society")


But i believe that taoism is the original religion because i-kuan tao and xian tian tao takes from taoism.

Thanks for all of this......I still don't see taoism as a religion. You're mixing a lot of other stuff with taoism.

What does religion mean to you?

Black Man
08-05-2008, 06:22 AM
shari law didn't come from islam other wise the shari law would've existed in the hpy river valley (among other societies)....the shari law is based on 'arabic' traditions and NOT islam.

Islam is not the same as Al'Islam. Al'Islam is the religion and that is the religion being practiced and taught by the majority of the people who profess islam as their religion.

When a person say islam is their deen that's al'islam! The religion.

Black Man
08-05-2008, 06:25 AM
A religion is a set of beliefs and practices, often centered upon specific supernatural and moral claims about reality, the cosmos, and human nature, and often codified as prayer, ritual, or religious law. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction.
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[Origin: 1150–1200; ME religioun (< OF religion) < L religiōn- (s. of religiō) conscientiousness, piety, equiv. to relig(āre) to tie, fasten (re- re- (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=re-) + ligāre to bind, tie; cf. ligament (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ligament)) + -iōn- -ion (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=-ion); cf. rely (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rely)http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png]

TSA
08-05-2008, 09:52 AM
TSA is incapable of having an intelligent discussion without his AIDS
flaring up.

he's good for one or two posts a thead then its back to the gen chat.


you have to understand that he does what big brother does.
Style makes religious KTL thread....Tissy makes one too.

notice the similarities i format and tone.


the diff is, Tissa's thread is a bookreport.
my thread is a testimonial.



ps. i like the new attitude black man. seriously. i would have puked if you posted
"what is the diff between a relig and a nation?"


pss. sid, i feel you on the zionists.

alright you former drug addict5.
lets review what has happened in this thread.

i ask ppl to display respect for faith, which is un heard of in this thread
a guy disrespects the living shit out of jews, cool, i disrespect the living shit out of him, slippy points out its his opinion, i agree, that subject ends, it is still the point of discussion for a good 7 posts after ending, cool, black man states that islam existed before christianity and judaism, retarded, a few other posts that are very good ar contributed, ignored.


THEN you pop out the wood works, all 40 years after the wood work, born 11 years before me, to discuss how i made a religious thread on what is basically a religious sub forum because you made one.

then you aged a little more.

me disrespecting Sidious Katana is not equal to Sidious disrespecting jews and black man disrespecting the prophet muhammed.



now, on the subject of my thread, which has nothign to do with you if you have no respect for faith. My thread and your thread are nothing alike big homie

your thread is admittance to a shamefully warped world view, where you swallow a doctored version of egyptian faith, not because it is preached anything different then the judaism your blatantly disrespecting but because they proposed color of the skin of egyptians is black.
disgusting. Your unhealthy racial hatred stems from a hatred of self that whether you want to admit it online or not has been eating at your mind for your entire trip through life and you have submitted to your towering inferiority complex by dedicating a good mind to dissproving the humanity of another race

to the point that you suscribe to religions based on the color of it's followers skin in a system of 'race' which is the white man's word for tribalism.

your hatred of self also eats at your stomach when you see me post because my unflinching comfort with my history humanity and who i am in the world is alien to you, and you cannot seperate inferiority complexes from the human mentality because it has burrowed so deeply into your sould that there's no letting go. This causes you to hate what you can't understand, to hate the divine TSAllah.


I achieved a level of spirital and mental balance far beyond what you know but have the potential to know. You will never be my equal

Black Man
08-05-2008, 10:01 AM
alright you former drug addict5.
lets review what has happened in this thread.

i ask ppl to display respect for faith, which is un heard of in this thread
a guy disrespects the living shit out of jews, cool, i disrespect the living shit out of him, slippy points out its his opinion, i agree, that subject ends, it is still the point of discussion for a good 7 posts after ending, cool, black man states that islam existed before christianity and judaism, retarded, a few other posts that are very good ar contributed, ignored.


THEN you pop out the wood works, all 40 years after the wood work, born 11 years before me, to discuss how i made a religious thread on what is basically a religious sub forum because you made one.

then you aged a little more.

me disrespecting Sidious Katana is not equal to Sidious disrespecting jews and black man disrespecting the prophet muhammed.



now, on the subject of my thread, which has nothign to do with you if you have no respect for faith. My thread and your thread are nothing alike big homie

your thread is admittance to a shamefully warped world view, where you swallow a doctored version of egyptian faith, not because it is preached anything different then the judaism your blatantly disrespecting but because they proposed color of the skin of egyptians is black.
disgusting. Your unhealthy racial hatred stems from a hatred of self that whether you want to admit it online or not has been eating at your mind for your entire trip through life and you have submitted to your towering inferiority complex by dedicating a good mind to dissproving the humanity of another race

to the point that you suscribe to religions based on the color of it's followers skin in a system of 'race' which is the white man's word for tribalism.

your hatred of self also eats at your stomach when you see me post because my unflinching comfort with my history humanity and who i am in the world is alien to you, and you cannot seperate inferiority complexes from the human mentality because it has burrowed so deeply into your sould that there's no letting go. This causes you to hate what you can't understand, to hate the divine TSAllah.


I achieved a level of spirital and mental balance far beyond what you know but have the potential to know. You will never be my equal

With all of that said, your ways and actions are still those of a beast. If your spiritual and mental balance is far beyond......why do you still express yourself lower than the beast?

TSA
08-05-2008, 10:06 AM
^cause your a bitch nigga with clap.





i would also like to add the egyptians were not black and had swarms of black slaves that would make george washington blush.
egpyt is currently funding a genocide campaign against blacks, full blown holocaust genocide and it publicly admits to funding, proping up, and supporting Bashir's dream of having an entirely Arab sudan.
Eqypt and several other arab countries fund this movement and several smaller mirrors of it throughout the Sahel

Black Man
08-05-2008, 10:14 AM
^cause your a bitch nigga with clap.

I achieved a level of spirital and mental balance far beyond what you know but have the potential to know. You will never be my equal

i would also like to add the egyptians were not black and had swarms of black slaves that would make george washington blush.
egpyt is currently funding a genocide campaign against blacks, full blown holocaust genocide and it publicly admits to funding, proping up, and supporting Bashir's dream of having an entirely Arab sudan.
Eqypt and several other arab countries fund this movement and several smaller mirrors of it throughout the Sahel

mic tyson....why did we run yacub and his MADE devil from the root of civilization.....

SID
08-05-2008, 10:16 AM
I hate zionism very much, and there are a lot of things in the jewish religion i dislike
but nowadays i respect it then anything.

First off they keep the family unit TIGHT i mean virgin tight, there fam is unbreakable and ther bond is timeless, a pillar of their faith is to have a family business to keep the family sustained and to make as much p,s as possible.

Hence where there globalist mentality springs from, mass accumilation of wealth and cementing the enduring legacy of gods first "chosen".

They also have knowledge and secrets beyond our coprehension about the human brain how it works how to exploit it for the highest profit.
How to plant ideas subliminally in order to further a motive through many ingenious means.

I say they use 6% brain power or they really on some next level.

anyway i respect them more then i hate them


How did i disrespect the fuck out of jews?

I said i hate zionists (not a rleigion but a movement) and i dislike some of the concepts and beliefs in judaism (like i dislike beliefs in many other religions) but as i said........................


I RESPECT THEM MORE THEN ANYTHING

I respect how their relgion keeps fam first, and how its a tenant to make as much p,s as pos...which can only be a good thing.

I dislike a lot of jews globalist mentality and i tried to pinpoint from where that mindstate came from, no disrespect intended

i even said they might use 6% brain power

where was the disrespect?

you just on your period or somthing dude, jus dont take it out on me

Cee Oh Vee
08-05-2008, 02:08 PM
shari law didn't come from islam other wise the shari law would've existed in the hpy river valley (among other societies)....the shari law is based on 'arabic' traditions and NOT islam.

Islam is not the same as Al'Islam. Al'Islam is the religion and that is the religion being practiced and taught by the majority of the people who profess islam as their religion.

When a person say islam is their deen that's al'islam! The religion.

You keep saying 'shari law', the shari`a is more than 'law'.

The shari`a was set by Allah; how could it be based on Arabic traditions?

There is no Islam without shari`a, and no shari`a without Islam; so how could they have nothing to do with each other?

Do you know what the shari`a is?


And what is with all this 'Islam is not the same as al'islam'? You obviously have no knowledge of the Arabic language whatsoever.

Black Man
08-05-2008, 02:22 PM
You keep saying 'shari law', the shari`a is more than 'law'.

YOU SAY IT'S MORE THAN A LAW....WHAT IS IT EXACTLY ACCORDING TO YOU?

The shari`a was set by Allah; how could it be based on Arabic traditions?

WHEN DID ALLAH SET THIS? DID YOU SEE ALLAH SET THE SHARI? WHEN WAS THE SHARI FIRST SET? WHAT YEAR? WHERE? WAS THERE SHARI BEFORE THE MUHAMMAD? DID THE SHARI EXIST IN THE HPY RIVER VALLEY? DID THE SHARI EXIST PRIOR TO THE HPY RIVER VALLEY CIVILIZATION? WHERE WAS ALLAH WHEN HE SET THIS? WHY DO YOU SAY THAT ALLAH SET THE SHARI?

There is no Islam without shari`a, and no shari`a without Islam; so how could they have nothing to do with each other?

WHAT IS ISLAM AND WHAT IS AL'ISLAM? WHEN DID ISLAM COME INTO EXISTENCE?

Do you know what the shari`a is?

YES, DO YOU?

And what is with all this 'Islam is not the same as al'islam'? You obviously have no knowledge of the Arabic language whatsoever.

I HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ARABIC LANGUAGE AND I ALSO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THE RELIGION OF AL'ISLAM UTILIZES THE ARABIC LANGUAGE FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES.

ARABIC IS NOT OWNED BY THE MUSLIM NOR ARE THEY THE AUTHORS OF THAT LANGUAGE.

ARABIC WAS AROUND WAY BEFORE THAT SAID RELIGION!

BTW, SHARI, THAT'S A SOCIAL LAW!

VZA
08-05-2008, 02:26 PM
There is not really a single aspect of any religion that I have ever respected or learnt from, other than the obvious ones like not killing people etc.

I think people should learn to think for themselves.

Fatal Guillotine
08-05-2008, 04:38 PM
Sharia

is the body of Islamic religious law. The term means "way" or "path to the water source"; it is the legal framework within which the public and private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islamic principles of jurisprudence and for Muslims living outside the domain. Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues.

There is no strictly static set of laws of sharia. Sharia is more of a system of how law ought to serve humanity, a consensus of the unified spirit, based on the Qur'an (the religious text of Islam), hadith (sayings and doings of Muhammad and his companions), Ijma (consensus), Qiyas (reasoning by analogy) and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.

Islamic law is now the most widely used religious law, and one of the three most common legal systems of the world alongside common law and civil law. During the Islamic Golden Age, classical Islamic law had a fairly significant influence on the development of common law, and also influenced the development of several civil law institutions.

There is tremendous variety in the interpretation and implementation of Islamic Law in Muslim societies today. Liberal movements within Islam have questioned the relevance and applicability of sharia from a variety of perspectives; Islamic feminism brings multiple points of view to the discussion. Several of the countries with the largest Muslim populations, including Indonesia, Bangladesh and Pakistan, have largely secular constitutions and laws, with only a few Islamic provisions in family law. Turkey has a constitution that is officially strongly secular. India and the Philippines are the only countries in the world which have separate Muslim civil laws, framed by the Muslim Personal Law board in India, and wholly based on Sharia and the Code of Muslim Personal Laws in the Philippines. However, the criminal laws are uniform. Some controversial sharia laws favour Muslim men, including polygamy and rejection of alimony.

Most countries of the Middle East and North Africa maintain a dual system of secular courts and religious courts, in which the religious courts mainly regulate marriage and inheritance. Saudi Arabia and Iran maintain religious courts for all aspects of jurisprudence, and religious police assert social compliance. Laws derived from sharia are also applied in Afghanistan, Libya and Sudan. Some states in northern Nigeria have reintroduced Sharia courts.[68] In practice the new Sharia courts in Nigeria have most often meant the re-introduction of harsh punishments without respecting the much tougher rules of evidence and testimony. The punishments include amputation of one/both hands for theft and stoning for adultery and apostasy.[citation needed]

Many, including the European Court of Human Rights, consider the punishments prescribed by Sharia as being barbaric and cruel. Islamic scholars argue that, if implemented properly, the punishments serve as a deterrent to crime.[69] In international media, practices by countries applying Islamic law have fallen under considerable criticism at times. This is particularly the case when the sentence carried out is seen to greatly tilt away from established standards of international human rights. This is true for the application of the death penalty for the crimes of adultery and homosexuality, amputations for the crime of theft, and flogging for fornication or public intoxication. [1]

A bill proposed by lawmakers in the Indonesian province of Aceh would impose Sharia law on all non-Muslims, the armed forces and law enforcement officers, a local police official has announced. The news comes two months after the Deutsche Presse-Agentur warned of "Taliban-style Islamic police terrorizing Indonesia's Aceh".
The interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence varies in different modern nations. In the Anglosphere and in Islamic countries with a history of British rule, for example, Islamic finance has been relatively successful due to the common-law nature of Islamic jurisprudence being compatible with English common law. On the other hand, Islamic finance has been relatively unsuccessful in certain regimes such as Iran, Pakistan and Sudan which have diverged from the common-law nature of Islamic jurisprudence and instead interpret "a common-law variant as if it were a civil law system." For example, modern Iranian law is based on an "Islamic civil code" influenced by the Napoleonic code and German civil code.

there are 86% of muslims who believe in this but some don't so this has some relevance to muslims

Fatal Guillotine
08-05-2008, 04:42 PM
To this, traditional Sunni Muslims add the consensus (ijma) of Muhammad's companions (sahaba) and Islamic jurists (ulema) on certain issues, and drawing analogy from the essence of divine principles and preceding rulings (qiyas). In situations where no concrete rules exist under the sources, law scholars use qiyas — various forms of reasoning, including by analogy. The consensus of the community or people, public interest, and others are also accepted as secondary sources where the first four primary sources allow.



Shi'a Muslims reject this approach. They strongly reject analogy (qiyas) as an easy way to innovations (bid'ah), and also reject consensus (ijma) as having any particular value in its own. During the period that the Sunni scholars developed those two tools, the Shi'a Imams were alive, and Shi'a view them as an extension of the Sunnah, so they view themselves as only deriving their laws (fiqh) from the Qur'an and Sunnah. A re-occurring theme in Shi'a jurisprudence is logic (mantiq), something Shi'a believe they mention, employ and value to a higher degree than Sunnis do. They do not view logic as a third source for laws, rather a way to see if the derived work is compatible with the Qur'an and Sunnah.

In Imami-Shi'i law, the sources of law (usul al-fiqh) are the Qur'an, anecdotes of Muhammad's practices and those of the 12 Imams, and the intellect (aql). The practices called Sharia today, however, also have roots in local customs

LuckyTheWonderDog
08-05-2008, 05:58 PM
If you look for the actual source and foundation of pretty much every religion then there is not only great wisdom and worth in them all, but they are usually very similar. The problem with organised religion is how man manipulates it to his own selfish end and how it is misinterpreted and exploited more and more as time goes on.

TSA
08-05-2008, 09:30 PM
and black man is right, shria lwa is based on arab custom and not islam

Fatal Guillotine
08-06-2008, 11:22 AM
i feel what black man is saying but i feel that it has some relevance as far as islam in the middle east. so i kinda of understand what cee-dot was saying and black man as well but honestly and truthfully the subject of whether is a subject of debate and it has been for years

Black Man
08-06-2008, 11:41 AM
i feel what black man is saying but i feel that it has some relevance as far as islam in the middle east. so i kinda of understand what cee-dot was saying and black man as well but honestly and truthfully the subject of whether is a subject of debate and it has been for years

during the time of prophet muhammad, there was no middle east. the middle east didn't exist until after the world wars were over....that along with the suez canal.

what is currently called the middle east was part of africa.

people think of arabs and muslims as synomous and they're not.

there is a lot of mixing the two together though as far a religion and arabic culture is concerned.

Fatal Guillotine
08-06-2008, 12:24 PM
thats exactly what im talking bout black man. propz homie

Edgar Erebus
08-06-2008, 12:28 PM
during the time of prophet muhammad, there was no middle east. the middle east didn't exist until after the world wars were over....that along with the suez canal.

what is currently called the middle east was part of africa.


Um... no.

http://z.about.com/d/ancienthistory/1/0/X/M/2/HerodotusWorldMap.jpg



Yeah, there was no middle east, but it wasn't considered Africa either.


And I have strong reasons to doubt that Arabs during Muhammad time - or before - considered themselves Africans.

TSA
08-06-2008, 12:47 PM
they didn't.

at all.


cause they weren't and islam has nothing to do with black ppl except the influencial black ppl in its formation like Bilal, emperor Teodwos, muhammeds nanny and others

SID
08-06-2008, 01:41 PM
Um... no.

http://z.about.com/d/ancienthistory/1/0/X/M/2/HerodotusWorldMap.jpg



Yeah, there was no middle east, but it wasn't considered Africa either.


And I have strong reasons to doubt that Arabs during Muhammad time - or before - considered themselves Africans.


Libya is where dons originated from....badman country

Fatal Guillotine
08-06-2008, 02:04 PM
dope sig sidious

diggy
08-06-2008, 09:26 PM
Just to add my 2 cents, Blackman is right. Shariah law is Arab custom which has very, very, very little to do with what is written in the Quran.

The reason why so-called 'muslims' are in a fucked up situation spiritually, socially, and economically, is cuz they follow the backwards, twisted, barbaric thing called Shariah law.

Shariah law says cut the hand of the thief,
The Quran says let the thief return what was stolen,
Shariah law says bury adulterers up to their necks in the ground and stone them,
The Quran says to flog them and release them,
Shariah law says kill the apostate,
The Quran says "leave the apostate for me (Allah)" - basically Allah is to judge the apostate's actions, NOT MAN.



You can see the difference from just a few examples!

Cee Oh Vee
08-15-2008, 04:47 PM
Just to add my 2 cents, Blackman is right. Shariah law is Arab custom which has very, very, very little to do with what is written in the Quran.

The reason why so-called 'muslims' are in a fucked up situation spiritually, socially, and economically, is cuz they follow the backwards, twisted, barbaric thing called Shariah law.

Shariah law says cut the hand of the thief,
The Quran says let the thief return what was stolen,
Shariah law says bury adulterers up to their necks in the ground and stone them,
The Quran says to flog them and release them,
Shariah law says kill the apostate,
The Quran says "leave the apostate for me (Allah)" - basically Allah is to judge the apostate's actions, NOT MAN.



You can see the difference from just a few examples!

Sir, may I have the references to the ayats in Qur'an which say those things?

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And sorry, I don't have much time tonight but I'm just gonna quickly say some things regarding the Shari`a.

If one truly understood the shari`a and lived in accordance with it correctly it's near impossible for one to be 'fucked up' in any sort of way.

The shari`a is the perfect filter for any lifestyle as it is the guideline for all aspects of life. Allow me to give you an example; slavery.

According to the shari`a - here are some of the most basic rulings on keeping slaves:

-In my opinion the most important one - slaves must be freed if they so wish.
-The slave must be freed if the slave's master attacks him.
-The slave must not be given any work in which he is unable to manage.
-And the most basic ruling on having a slave is that they MUST be provided with a home, food and clothes. Regarding clothes; it is related that Muhammad the messenger of Allah never used to dress better than his slaves.

If the rejecters lived in accordance with these rules throughout time then 'Slavery' would have never happened, right?

These are basic things.

with peace.

Fatal Guillotine
08-15-2008, 04:57 PM
ayo ceedot this has been a subject of debate for many years. i already express how i felt about this

Cee Oh Vee
08-15-2008, 05:12 PM
Are you saying the thread's closed? Hahaa.

Fatal Guillotine
08-15-2008, 05:24 PM
no

diggy
08-15-2008, 06:30 PM
Sir, may I have the references to the ayats in Qur'an which say those things?



At the time I do not have references to those ayats, but If you would use something like common sense and look through the quran's index (where things are broken down by topic), or if u even type in key words regarding the subject into google, then you will see which ayats i'm refering to.

I do not memorize the numbers of the ayats, I memorize the subject matter.

HANZO
08-15-2008, 06:51 PM
i agree with the idea that Shariah law is apart of Arab culture, and really isnt the word of the qu'ran.

shariah law has never worked and never will.

Cee Oh Vee
08-16-2008, 04:39 AM
At the time I do not have references to those ayats, but If you would use something like common sense and look through the quran's index (where things are broken down by topic), or if u even type in key words regarding the subject into google, then you will see which ayats i'm refering to.

I do not memorize the numbers of the ayats, I memorize the subject matter.

The reason I wanted the references to the ayats is because I prefer to use the translation of Qur'an I have, not any old one off the internet, sir.

You gave quotes from Qur'an, without the references and me reading it for myself how can I comment on what you've said?

with peace.

HOSUKAYA7
08-16-2008, 06:49 AM
wow.. Thanks for the knowledge dropped. While I personally find no need to bind myself to any one religion, it is really facinating to hear from people who try to follow original teachings and not false prophets. In my country, hatred of Islam is widespread amongst ignorants who spend most of their time collecting gov. checks and watching TV. This has brought forth a neo-national socialistic party, called the Danish Peoples party, whom, hiding behind a "Middle Party" front, has gotten up to 14% percent of voters to support them and is currently driving this country's rep down the drain...
If I had to chose one religion, however, I think I would go with Zenarchism (google it) I.E Order brought forth trough meditation. Which is, like Islam, Buddhism and several other, not really a religion as such...
Sorry for derailing a bit.
Peace, and please continue.

IBRAHIM
08-20-2008, 03:48 AM
ThaShaolinAssassin, which book about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did you read?

and where did u learn that Prophet's nanny was black?

diggy
08-20-2008, 04:24 AM
Basically, the lessons in scriptures are totally different than what people practice. People use labels to say they are one thing, but then act like another thing proving they lied.

1 scripture and 100 differing denominations means they are not really following the scripture.

If they are all following the same book, then there should be peace and unity.

Cee Oh Vee
08-20-2008, 02:03 PM
Allah tells us in the Qur'an (4:59):

http://www.minhaj.org/medias/image/image003.gif
'You who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger'

Black Man
08-20-2008, 03:05 PM
Allah tells us in the Qur'an (4:59):

http://www.minhaj.org/medias/image/image003.gif
'You who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger'

Is the Quran Allah?

TSA
08-20-2008, 03:56 PM
yes

IBRAHIM
08-20-2008, 04:11 PM
Tsa, u didnt answer my questions. Black man, Quran is Word of Allah.

Cee Oh Vee
08-20-2008, 04:15 PM
Is the Quran Allah?

No.

diggy
08-20-2008, 09:19 PM
Allah tells us in the Qur'an (4:59):

http://www.minhaj.org/medias/image/image003.gif
'You who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger'


Yes it does say that. And how is this verse from the Quran relating to what is said in this thread?

TSA
08-20-2008, 10:45 PM
i didnt know you asked me a question, i was answering Blackman

Cee Oh Vee
08-20-2008, 11:11 PM
Yes it does say that. And how is this verse from the Quran relating to what is said in this thread?

The deen is about more than following 'scriptures'.

diggy
08-20-2008, 11:26 PM
The deen is about more than following 'scriptures'.

You still did not answer my question about how the verses u posted relate to what I had written previous to that.

U say the deen is more than following scriptures?

Explain please.

Black Man
08-21-2008, 07:25 AM
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