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SKAMPOE
09-11-2008, 04:16 PM
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NY_Mami
09-11-2008, 04:45 PM
I knew it was another building that fell........ At first I thought it collapse from the effects from the twin towers collapse........

TSA
09-11-2008, 04:47 PM
lol at Simon 'Sez' hahahah
AHAHAHAHahhaHAHAHAh!1
"GET THE FUCK UP!" aahahahahAHAHAHHAHAHAHH!!11

ya'll can't fuck with me, im tellin you.
but on subject, you posted the same shit last year.

TSA
09-11-2008, 04:58 PM
i was in the car with white shao his dad and the gawd killllllaaa cal
his dad was talking about how dumbass pilots shouldn't be allowed to drink and how they suck
then when we got to class we heard it was an attack, and faggot Ms. Haas with his perverted Mario moustache was making jokes about how we were all getting drafted.

i bet he's gonna act like he was all serious and sad and shit now though. fag.
my friend Katie told me it was some 'bin sama' guy from Iraq or something



she's got knocked up.

DrunkenMasta303
09-11-2008, 05:03 PM
uknow that osama bin ladens original name is USAma bin laden and the american government just changed his first name into Osama cos they didnt want their country to appear in his name

TSA
09-11-2008, 05:05 PM
LOL that's ill.

Paranoid
09-11-2008, 05:06 PM
R.I.P to all those that passed that day

Fight the power

DR. NICK RIVIERA
09-11-2008, 05:09 PM
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best picture. hahahha.

FatherSl!me
09-11-2008, 05:12 PM
lol at Simon 'Sez' hahahah
AHAHAHAHahhaHAHAHAh!1
"GET THE FUCK UP!" aahahahahAHAHAHHAHAHAHH!!11

ya'll can't fuck with me, im tellin you.
but on subject, you posted the same shit last year.
LOL. sonned

SKAMPOE
09-11-2008, 05:18 PM
Bush Just Finished Whut His Pops Started In His Prez Term

TSA
09-11-2008, 05:21 PM
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHHHHHAH!!
GET DUH FUCK UP! JIGSAW DA GWAD SAID GET DUH FUCK UP!!
AHAHAHAhahAHHAHAHAHAhahahahaHAHAHAH!1
aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

hell no! AHAHahahaHAHAHAHA GET DUH FUCK UP!

SKAMPOE
09-11-2008, 05:24 PM
Yea Nigga Dat Whut It Is

crust
09-11-2008, 07:26 PM
uknow that osama bin ladens original name is USAma bin laden and the american government just changed his first name into Osama cos they didnt want their country to appear in his name

hahaha i believe that shit.

USAma!!!




nah but seriously

peace to the people who died that day...

blessthedead
09-11-2008, 08:45 PM
if you don't think 9.11 was a huge cover up you don't have a brain.

EAGLE EYE
09-11-2008, 08:58 PM
and what the fuck was up with that movie they made after it? Hollywood cashing in on the event..

what the fuck

Huggasaurus Sex
09-11-2008, 09:10 PM
can anyone give me an accurate idea of how long it would take to rig the world trade towers full of demolitions and how many people would have to be bribed to make that happen? and how much bribe money would be involved with keeping the mouths shut of all the people who would know themselves to be accomplices in the deaths of over 3000 people?



P.S. watched people jumping and saw both towers fall from my canal street/broadway dorm.

EAGLE EYE
09-11-2008, 09:13 PM
can anyone give me an accurate idea of how long it would take to rig the world trade towers full of demolitions and how many people would have to be bribed to make that happen? and how much bribe money would be involved with keeping the mouths shut of all the people who would know themselves to be accomplices in the deaths of over 3000 people?



P.S. watched people jumping and saw both towers fall from my canal street/broadway dorm.


thats a good point, i always wondered that. its not a fucking 5 man operation to rig something that complex, this is not a comic book or a fucking action movie


u fucking kids these days

SKAMPOE
09-11-2008, 09:19 PM
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09-11-2008, 09:22 PM
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CherChezLaMarauder
09-11-2008, 09:49 PM
Speaking as a New Yorker, president Kush doesn't give a rat's ass about the victims of 9/11 nor do i believe the legislatures of the state of new york (sheldon silver and co.) could give a flying left nut about it. New York has always been and always will be on it's own, excepting the charity funds washington gives up to save face. If you stand back and think about it, the victims of the towers are perished in vain if you see what's poppin off now. No, Saddaam Hussein is not the culprit of the 2700 plus deceased. NY is a well known liberal state. I'm a struggling Puerto Rican american, but i do what i can to support the fallen of 9/11. It may not be much but it's something. I laid my eyes on the dubris and smoking clouds from the direct hits. Quite frankly, we're on our own as far as keeping the memory alive. I honestly don't believe Washington and co. give a rats ass about the twin towers nor the pentagon about memorbilia. as much as i got beef against 5-0 in NYC, they along with FDNY march into death. 9/11 falls 2 days b4 my bday, and its kinda sobering during the week of both occasions. Our city is too imcompetent to maintain a viable plan to rebuilt the Twin Towers, which was called the Freedom Towers. Fuck Gulianni is my point lol.

11th Chamber
09-11-2008, 10:19 PM
PryDPZsGSqw

vid of some of the people who chose to jump to their death. I couldent imagine making a decision like that

The Void
09-11-2008, 10:47 PM
I knew something was fucked up from the moment I heard about it. First with Bush stealing the presidency from Gore, I knew some really fucked up shit was gonna go down so I wasn't at all suprised by it. Funny how CNN knew how OBL was behind it right away. As well as how many cameras they had stationed on the buildings. There's so much other shit but there's no need to get into it, it's been discussed by everyone else. Declare war on the 'stan, a year later heroin exports from there are top in the world, odd.

Does anyone else remember GWB at Ground Zero? Motherfucker was smiling. :fucku:

TSA
09-11-2008, 10:56 PM
i think the most sickening part is people with hateful agendas towards political figures use this day and this event as a way of political lampooning when real live human beings had the choice of burning to death, being crushed to death or jumping from the top of a skyscraper for something that had nothing to do with them.

these ppl are seldom mentioned honored or thought about by ppl that use this event as a way of letting us know they don't trust dick cheney and america has no enemies, we control every single human being and have them work in our shadowy interests.

sickening.

Huggasaurus Sex
09-12-2008, 02:04 AM
I knew something was fucked up from the moment I heard about it. First with Bush stealing the presidency from Gore, I knew some really fucked up shit was gonna go down so I wasn't at all suprised by it.
stfu

Funny how CNN knew how OBL was behind it right away.
stfu

As well as how many cameras they had stationed on the buildings.
stfu

There's so much other shit but there's no need to get into it, it's been discussed by everyone else.
thks 4 stfu

Declare war on the 'stan, a year later heroin exports from there are top in the world, odd.
afghanistan was one of the world's largest producers of opium throughout the 80s and 90s until the insanely repressive taliban came along. ask gen wise where his liquor store came from and stfu.

Does anyone else remember GWB at Ground Zero? Motherfucker was smiling. :fucku:


wow stfu

DR. NICK RIVIERA
09-12-2008, 02:14 AM
^^why are u mad?? americans killed more middle east people than necessary

I thought you guys would be happy for that. lol

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 02:18 AM
haha, how fucking long are they going to run hours of documentaries and "specials" on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks.

Americans are even boorish enough to decide they need to refer to it as "9/11".

Why do you people still wonder why everyone in the world thinks you're all worthy of annihilation.

You know what's interesting, all the conspiracies are no less "patriotic" than the other responses.

American's just can't bare to even think that their military and government is extremely incompetent.

To the point where they would prefer to believe any unsubstantiated theories which attribute great cunning, planning and intelligence to their "despised" government and leaders.

I don't know, you're a weird mob.

Go and fucking vote this time you faggits.

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 02:24 AM
if you don't think 9.11 was a huge cover up you don't have a brain.

People who think in this manner, not about "9/11" specifically, but about anything, are probably the most simple minded people knocking about this place.

I thought most people gained the skills on sympathising somewhere near the age of 5.

I can think that people who believe "9/11" was a cover up are incorrect, but i can still appreciate why they think this.

It doesnt necessarily make them stupid, it's just a progression of thought which i don't agree with.

11th Chamber
09-12-2008, 02:26 AM
haha, how fucking long are they going to run hours of documentaries and "specials" on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks.

Americans are even boorish enough to decide they need to refer to it as "9/11".

Why do you people still wonder why everyone in the world thinks you're all worthy of annihilation.

You know what's interesting, all the conspiracies are no less "patriotic" than the other responses.

American's just can't bare to even think that their military and government is extremely incompetent.

To the point where they would prefer to believe any unsubstantiated theories which attribute great cunning, planning and intelligence to their "despised" government and leaders.

I don't know, you're a weird mob.

Go and fucking vote this time you faggits.

that was pathetic

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 02:29 AM
Thanks

11th Chamber
09-12-2008, 02:30 AM
sure

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 02:31 AM
Ok

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 02:35 AM
I think it would be amusing to gauge reaction if i made a commemorative thread on the anniversary of the bali bombing which killed a number of Australians.

It would probably be received with either ambivalence or hostility.

Most people would probably just say something to the effect of "who the fuck cares about 100 dead Australian's?"

Im not saying you should care, but why so sensitive?

I didn't say anything about the people who died on 11 september, i think the whole thing was disgusting.

But saying anything disparaging about the actions of American's surrounding it is "pathetic".

Im just saying...

TSA
09-12-2008, 02:43 AM
wow. that was pathetic.

All this talk of government this and middle east that in a motion to decredit sympathy for people that died for nothing.

this is really pathetic.
politics. A group of ppl are gathering to commemorate another group of people that died for nothing and wutangcorp.com gives it a grain to go against.
wow.
this is pathetic.

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 02:48 AM
....

What the fuck are you imbeciles (not referring to the doctor) even fucking talking about??

Look at the first post in this thread...

Is it to commemorate anything.

Sensitive issues seem to prevent people from being able to talk about anything sensibly.

That's pathetic.

TSA
09-12-2008, 02:50 AM
also pat, if you truely feel a sympathy for the people that died in the Bali bombings there's nothing stopping you from making a thread about it. If you truely feel it's something you care about enough then nothing is stopping you. That's where the difference is. You don't care. You don't care and with the reasons that cause you not to care you assume the rest of us don't care either. Safe assumption. But what if we cared about 9/11?

is that ridiculous? are we at wrong? all this talk of politics and only one person has mentioned the fact that they witnessed people jumping from buildings.
you know the whole thing is sickening. It's like, for lack of better analog, going to someones funeral and talking about how they were dumb cause they were a democrat.

it's pathetic. a really pathetic way of life.
When 9/11 happened there was a feeling in this country that your distance from it may hinder you from understanding, but respect the fact that you politicizing and attempting to inject into a subject that is simply above you and are looking really stupid trying to grasp it. This has nothing to do with anyones government. This is about people who went through a moment beyond pondering what bush's facial expression is.


you know what, your, at this point, no better then the guy that goes and protests at dead soldiers funerals and says its gods punishment for america being open to gays on a megahorn to people that gathered to moron a death.

pathetic.

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 02:50 AM
The conspiracy's don't matter regardless if there is one or not........

What's important are the lives th@t were lost......

Too many people look for someone/something to blame after a misfortunate event......I guess it's human nature to point the finger, and believe any bullshit side-note th@t gets thrown in their face with some 'hardcore facts' and solid proof.....there was a conspiracy @ hand.........shyt how can u trust anything these days? Honestly.....
There's so much right that was wrong, and wrong that was right, etc etc.....always new evidence, new 'solid' proof, and if there's people out there dumb enough to believe it......they'll keep on comin with teh bullshit......

As far as I'm concerned, this shyt can go right up there with Bigfoot, the JFK assassination, and the existence of UFO's.........because there will NEVER EVER be anything that's not going to have a 50-50 debate over what EVERY1 believes.......

Every1 might as well agree to disagree, but I'm not here to say what's right or wrong, I'm just a random d00d giving an opinion from Ontario here to pay respect to what's REALLY important, those lives lost.......

But then again, it's just a forum right?...........

Cheerz

http://www.devoncrutcher.com/Firemanlmediumframedsoftened.jpg


I know that there's a lot of other bullshyt in teh world going on....like hunger, AIDS, kidnappings, etc....and it's ALL over the world.......but don't deny this was a very very tragic day........all predjudices aside regardless of where you're from......PeAcE

http://www.wtv-zone.com/AttackonAmerica/Flight93/Graphics/candle.gif

*rep*

TSA
09-12-2008, 02:53 AM
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LOL at the fattest man online posting this ahahahahaA! the irony

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 02:57 AM
also pat, if you truely feel a sympathy for the people that died in the Bali bombings there's nothing stopping you from making a thread about it. If you truely feel it's something you care about enough then nothing is stopping you. That's where the difference is. You don't care. You don't care and with the reasons that cause you not to care you assume the rest of us don't care either. Safe assumption. But what if we cared about 9/11?

You don't know what the fuck i care about.

I understand people care about "9/11".

People just care about different things about it.

is that ridiculous? are we at wrong? all this talk of politics and only one person has mentioned the fact that they witnessed people jumping from buildings.
you know the whole thing is sickening. It's like, for lack of better analog, going to someones funeral and talking about how they were dumb cause they were a democrat.

Don't be a fucking child.

Don't try and pretend ive said anything that even remotely relates to what you're saying above.

This thread is a commemoration, the first post is idiotic, and the following posts up until huggah echoe this sentiment.



it's pathetic. a really pathetic way of life.
When 9/11 happened there was a feeling in this country that your distance from it may hinder you from understanding, but respect the fact that you politicizing and attempting to inject into a subject that is simply above you and are looking really stupid trying to grasp it. This has nothing to do with anyones government. This is about people who went through a moment beyond pondering what bush's facial expression is.

Again, stop trying to pretend ive said anything like what you're saying i have.

I just responded to what is written in this thread.

Stop trying to turn this into some other bullshit

you know what, your, at this point, no better then the guy that goes and protests at dead soldiers funerals and says its gods punishment for america being open to gays on a megahorn to people that gathered to moron a death.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Are you really that stupid.

pathetic.

Holy shit you guys are so fucking blinding by, fuck, i don't know what.

It's impossible, in my experience, to talk to most American's about "9/11" because they feel obliged to bring up the above.

No matter how irrelevant, no matter how inappropriate, no matter how illogical, they can't discuss anything about terrorism or "9/11" without espousing the above sanctimonious drivel.

Remind me never to bother again.

TSA
09-12-2008, 03:03 AM
you would be best not to bother again until you've fully grown and developed.

Longbongcilvaringz
09-12-2008, 03:08 AM
What on earth...

What are you people even...

Fuck, i have no idea.

The mind fucking boggles with you people.

Honestly

Absolutely fucking boggles.

{PB}

Queen Of Poetry
09-12-2008, 07:18 AM
PryDPZsGSqw

vid of some of the people who chose to jump to their death. I couldent imagine making a decision like that


My cousin died that day............according to a psychic (don't judge, I needed some answers) she jumped..............her body was never found and I continue to struggle everyday............so her resting place is now "Ground Zero"...............

Here's my thing............folks who put these images on the internet need to think about this............if this was ur family member would u want it broadcasted them jumping? Now I have not watched this and I was warned that this was out there..............I'm not talking about the person who posted it on this site b/c u r just passing it along...........I'm talking about the original person who put this on the internet for everyone to see..............it hurts to know that if my cousin did jump, that perhaps this is footage of it.................(again I am not talking about the person who posted it on this site-I'm talking about the original person who put it there for all to see)

Respect

Killa BB
09-12-2008, 07:36 AM
My cousin died that day... it hurts to know that if my cousin did jump, that perhaps this is footage of it...

I watched it... and there's no way that you could tell who was who... it was actually imformative... If you can ever gather the strength to watch it I think you should...

GhettoGnom
09-12-2008, 08:05 AM
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SKAMPOE
09-12-2008, 08:05 AM
The conspiracy's don't matter regardless if there is one or not........

What's important are the lives th@t were lost......

Too many people look for someone/something to blame after a misfortunate event......I guess it's human nature to point the finger, and believe any bullshit side-note th@t gets thrown in their face with some 'hardcore facts' and solid proof.....there was a conspiracy @ hand.........shyt how can u trust anything these days? Honestly.....
There's so much right that was wrong, and wrong that was right, etc etc.....always new evidence, new 'solid' proof, and if there's people out there dumb enough to believe it......they'll keep on comin with teh bullshit......

As far as I'm concerned, this shyt can go right up there with Bigfoot, the JFK assassination, and the existence of UFO's.........because there will NEVER EVER be anything that's not going to have a 50-50 debate over what EVERY1 believes.......

Every1 might as well agree to disagree, but I'm not here to say what's right or wrong, I'm just a random d00d giving an opinion from Ontario here to pay respect to what's REALLY important, those lives lost.......

But then again, it's just a forum right?...........

Cheerz

http://www.devoncrutcher.com/Firemanlmediumframedsoftened.jpg


I know that there's a lot of other bullshyt in teh world going on....like hunger, AIDS, kidnappings, etc....and it's ALL over the world.......but don't deny this was a very very tragic day........all predjudices aside regardless of where you're from......PeAcE

http://www.wtv-zone.com/AttackonAmerica/Flight93/Graphics/candle.gif
ur a good man^ peace

$inista
09-12-2008, 08:35 AM
My cousin died that day............according to a psychic (don't judge, I needed some answers) she jumped..............her body was never found and I continue to struggle everyday............so her resting place is now "Ground Zero"...............

Here's my thing............folks who put these images on the internet need to think about this............if this was ur family member would u want it broadcasted them jumping? Now I have not watched this and I was warned that this was out there..............I'm not talking about the person who posted it on this site b/c u r just passing it along...........I'm talking about the original person who put this on the internet for everyone to see..............it hurts to know that if my cousin did jump, that perhaps this is footage of it.................(again I am not talking about the person who posted it on this site-I'm talking about the original person who put it there for all to see)

Respect

first of all I just want to say to you I am sorry for you lost

second, I feel people need to see this because thats how it went down we may never now the whole truth about 9/11 however we do know what we see & we shouldn't hide or sugar coat that for nothing maybe some people will appreciate & have more respect for life I know i do

me & my sister witness the whole thing it's was nothing i can really put into words, a ferryboat earlier we could of been under that bitch stuck in a train, anytime such a tragedy happens like this people need to show respect

all I could remember is wanting to be with my fam, when the city opened up again there was thousands who wanted the same thing posting up pictures of love ones all over the city, that they will never see again, unreal thousands of pictures White, Black, Spanish, Chinese, Indian whatever race
nuff respect to those who ran into certain death to save lives & may they all rest in peace along with the rest of the victims
and for those who survive god bless you

one thing New York held New York down not politicians regular every day people, people like the ones who perish just trying to put food on the table

Queen Of Poetry
09-12-2008, 08:47 AM
first of all I just want to say to you I am sorry for you lost

second, I feel people need to see this because thats how it went down we may never now the whole truth about 9/11 however we do know what we see & we shouldn't hide or sugar coat that for nothing maybe some people will appreciate & have more respect for life I know i do

me & my sister witness the whole thing it's was nothing i can really put into words, a ferryboat earlier we could of been under that bitch stuck in a train, anytime such a tragedy happens like this people need to show respect

all I could remember is wanting to be with my fam, when the city opened up again there was thousands who wanted the same thing posting up pictures of love ones all over the city, that they will never see again, unreal thousands of pictures White, Black, Spanish, Chinese, Indian whatever race
nuff respect to those who ran into certain death to save lives & may they all rest in peace along with the rest of the victims
and for those who survive god bless you

one thing New York held New York down not politicians regular every day people, people like the ones who perish just trying to put food on the table


I was one of those folks there for days looking for her..........waiting...........it was very rough and still is............now that I live in NY it gets harder..........I don't know, maybe one day I'll be able to watch this footage but just not today................


Respect

Huggasaurus Sex
09-13-2008, 09:42 AM
yeah this thread didn't really commemorate shit until like the 3rd page. i mean,

"happy" 9/11

followed by a bunch of dumb pictures vaguely related to 9/11...

and conspiracy theories

i don't see how that's any less offensive than my expose on ODB's real murderer...


but to mr. bateman, what's the big deal with referring to it as "9/11" rather than "the attacks of september 11th." i suppose it's more traditional to refer to an event like this according to a specific place but in this instance the attacks occurred in multiple states. so why chastise americans who just use the "9/11" shorthand?

i constantly come across expat brits and aussies who will find any excuse to lampoon americans. i once got taken to task by some aussie dickhead for not knowing which 2 countries were playing in the world championship of cricket. and this guy was 100% serious like i'm supposed to give a shit.



point being,

don't be a dickhead








oh and equating the bali bombings with september 11th?

the fuck?

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 10:38 AM
QueenOfPoetry sorry for your lost........ That video was DISTURBING......... I couldn't seldom thinkin' how bad it was in that building that people had no choice but to jump..........

As for me...... I HONESTLY do believe that 9/11 was INDEED a cover up......... The Bush Administration was involved...... I have good reason.........

NORAD......... it's the National Aerospace Defense Command in the United States......... they police every single activity of aircraft in the skies in North American territory....... if ever an aircraft........ whether it be commercial, private, or military goes off course or is hijacked....... NORAD sends F16's to cover that aircraft....... shoot down or intercept it...... and take control of the situation.......... it is supposed to be ran by the Gen. of the U.S. Military......... but before 9/11....... Cheney had convinced Rush Limbagh to give him complete control over NORAD and their responsibilities......... this is the first time in history......that a President or Vice President has had control of NORAD......... On June 1, 2001....... Limbagh sent a memo out to the Joint Chiefs informing them that Cheney had full power over NORAD....... and that they no authority over NORAD's future activities including drills that would simulate situations similar to 9/11.......

Test Drills= Drills that would simulate attacks on buildings using airplanes as weapons....... noted targets...... White House, Pentagon, World Trade Center, Sears Tower,etc.......

http://www.jonesreport.com/images/260607_docu_1.jpg

http://www.jonesreport.com/images/260607_docu3-a.jpg

http://www.jonesreport.com/images/260607_docu2.jpg

In August of 2002....... almost one year after 9/11........ the Associated Press wrote an article about NORAD's test drills that were takin' place on 9/11 around the same time as the terrorist attacks...... this one in particular was the NRO(National Reconnaissance Office) drill...... which simulate an aircraft attack on the Pentagon........ coincidence??????........

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/agency_planned_exercise_on_sept_11_built_around_a_ plane_crashing_into_a_building.htm

After this article was printed to the public...... the Senior FAA officials sent out orders for pilots who had 9/11 footage....... to destroy that footage.......

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=5101

Want to know HOW the Associated found out about these drills???...... they found out at a Homeland Security function after 9/11....... where EVERYONE[/COLOR] in the room basically BRAGGED about havin' foresight of the terrorist attacks........ On top of that...... not to mention...... they had military planes eight minutes away from the planes that would eventually hit the Twin Towers........now if they had that foresight...... why didn't they prevent the situation from happenin'?????....... Plan was in motion.......

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/051203atlanticcityfighters.html

Then US Today wrote an article that NORAD had drills weeks before 9/11 that simulated targets such as the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.........

http://www.mywire.com/pubs/USATODAY/2004/04/19/444714

Not finished yet........

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 10:45 AM
Remember when 9/11 occured........ and immediately...... the entire Bush Administration was tellin' all the media that they were suprised........ and had no prior knowledge of the attacks........ NOW....... ask me this question....... If Cheney had control of NORAD......... wouldn't he have FULL knowledge of these DRILLS?????????............ Even Military personnel knew of these drills because they were alerted of the test drills that were supposed to be conducted on 9/11.......... and were alerted NOT to intercept while these "drills" came into place...... because it was a "test drill".......... there is NO way in HELL....... that Bush and his Administration didn't know........ because Military officials are sayin' that they knew....... and the documents to back it up..........

Bush said and I quote "Nobody in our Govt. couldn't invision flying planes into buildings on such a massive scale"........... BULLSHIT.......... how do you explain those documents?????....... and those drills that have been plannin' for two years that simulated what had occured on 9/11..........

On October of 2000.......... NORAD acted out a simulation of a crash to the Pentagon....... Here are pictures to prove it......

http://www.willthomas.net/images/911/Pentagon_crash_drill.gif

http://www.willthomas.net/images/911/Pentagon_Plane_Crash_Drill.gif

Between all of the drills before 9/11........ Air Traffic Controls thought that it was supposed to be a simulation drill.......... There is audio of an Air Traffic Control person tellin' another one that there was a hijacked Aircraft headed for NYC....... and the other asked was it was drill and he said no..... it's real........ I wish I had that audio by itself....... but I do have a video that contains that audio........ But here is an article about that conversation.......

These are instructions by NORAD simulating how the drill would go....... This is by Let. Col. Dawne Deskins......... The name of the drill was Vigilant Guardian........

Sept. 11 was Day II of "Vigilant Guardian," an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide. The simulation would run all week, and Deskins, starting her 12-hour shift in the Operations Center as the NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, might find herself on the spot.
Day I of the simulation had moved slowly. She hoped the exercise gathered steam. It made a long day go faster.
8:40 A.M.: REAL WORLD
In the Ops Center, three rows of radar scopes face a high wall of wide-screen monitors. Supervisors pace behind technicians who peer at the instruments. Here it is always quiet, always dark, except for the green radar glow.
At 8:40, Deskins noticed senior technician Jeremy Powell waving his hand. Boston Center was on the line, he said. It had a hijacked airplane.
"It must be part of the exercise," Deskins thought.
At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line to the Federal Aviation Administration.
- "Amid Crisis Simulation, 'We Were Suddenly No-Kidding Under Attack'"
by Hart Seely, Newhouse News Service, January 25, 2002

This is from Aviation Week

Aviation Week & Space Technology:
June 3, 2002 Exercise Jump-Starts Response to Attacks

At 8:40 a.m. EDT, Tech. Sgt. Jeremy W. Powell of North American Aerospace Defense Command's (Norad) Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) in Rome, N.Y., took the first call from Boston Center. He notified NEADS commander Col. Robert K. Marr, Jr., of a possible hijacked airliner, American Airlines Flight 11.
"Part of the exercise?" the colonel wondered. No; this is a real-world event, he was told. Several days into a semiannual exercise known as Vigilant Guardian, NEADS was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center "battle cab."
In retrospect, the exercise would prove to be a serendipitous enabler of a rapid military response to terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. Senior officers involved in Vigilant Guardian were manning Norad command centers throughout the U.S. and Canada, available to make immediate decisions.


Not finished yet......

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 10:51 AM
The National Comission had a conference after 9/11........ and Lee Hamilton....... brought up the fact that Bush instructed for Commercial airlines to be shot down because they hijacked....... he asked Cheney if he was there when those instructions were given........ and Cheney denied bein' there........ Don't believe him.......

Norman Mineta...... who is the Transportation Secetary..... and stated that someone informed Cheney that the plane that would eventually hit the Pentagon was 50 miles away from the vicinity....... and asked Cheney if the orders would stand........ and Cheney said "YES the orders still stand"........ Mineta said he didn't know what they were talkin' about..... until the plan went down......

On 9/11........ there were 15 different drills being orchestrated at the same time ordered by ]NORAD....... Here are the names of 13 of them.........

Vigilant Guardian
Northern Vigilance
Northern Guardian
Crown Vigilance
Vigilant Warrior
Global Guardian
Apollo Guardian
Amalgam Warrior
Amalgam Virgo
Tripod II. NYC
Timely Alert II
NRO Plane Crash Drill
Operation-Northern Watch

When Payne Stewart....... the Golfer...... his plane went off course....... and they sent F16's around him just to get him back on course....... now why oh why did they stand ground when four jets were goin' to hit buildings???????...... The Military was instructed by NORAD...... that it was just a drill...... and that there was a drill at 8:30 of the same thing happenin'....... coincidence??????......

How could they say that they had no knowledge...... when they were rehearsing what went down????????..........

The NORAD officials........ ALSO had information of the hijackers...... they didn't want to share information........ because instructed the hijackers to do what they want them to do........ they had a name this "Able Danger"...... Able Danger is terror bosses...... they are to simulate hijackers........ Able Warrior are the Anti-Terrorists....... they are to simulate preventing terrorism....... they knew of all of these Al Qaeda figures........ they played in the media like they didn't know........ and miracoulsy...... after 9/11......... remember how none of us can get flights in the country....... and Bush just happened to get the Bin Ladens a private flight outta the country???????.......

Here's a copy of the ticket........ they stratched out the names of the Bin Ladens.....

http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pictures/june07/210607doc.jpg

And there have conspiracy theories about the buildings being bombed before those planes hit......... IT'S TRUE......... Owners of the World Trade Center stated that those building were built to withstand that type of damage....... and the only way that they can be demolished is if you hit the buildings from the base and then do enough damage to the top....... the fire melted the walls of the Twin Towers which led to the building collapse......

Here is a video of citizens, News Reporters, NYPD, FDNY, EMTS at the WTC on 9/11 reportin' about the bombs bein' the building........ the 1st clip you can actually hear one of them goin' off.......

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Almost finished.......

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 11:00 AM
Last but not least.......

And as for the planes......... now EVERY single media outlet reported that the planes were commercial planes....... If you look CLOSELY at the 9/11 footage...... you can tell those planes had missles attached to them...... if you look at the plane crash........ you will see a quick flash before the plane actually goes into the buildings........ that is because they shot the missles in the buildings before the planes actually hit....... Eyewitnesses described the plane(Flight 175) as a Military Aircraft as opposed to Commercial Aircraft........ it had NO windows it was brown....... the belly had a missle attached to it........ here's a video explainin' that.......

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And here are pictures of Flight 175...... this pic was a side photo of flight 175 going into a the Second Tower straight and cropped....... this photo was featured in a 9/11 booklet......... notice the belly of the plane has somethin' attached to it.....

http://www.letsroll911.net/images/new_york_magazine_blowup.jpg

http://911review.org/images/pod.JPG

This is a photo of a regular 767 plane belly.......

http://www.v911t.org/images/767C.jpg

Notice somethin' aint right about 175's belly........ that was Military plane.....

And there was another building that collapsed in NYC that day...... World Trade Center 7........

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/ndocs/wtc7_greenwich.jpg

It's the black building infront of the Twin Towers........

Now people automatically assumed that the building fell because of the effects of the Twin Towers collapse..... NOPE if that were true..... then ALL of the buildings in Lower Manhattan would've fell as well......that building was bombed as well......... Many say because there is an FBI headquarters inside......... hmmmmmmmm........

We can all agree that the 9/11 attacks is the most grotesque thing we have EVER seen on TV............ Our Govt. orchestrated 9/11....... Wake up y'all.........

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 11:31 AM
I'll post this again for folks like NY MAmi who are all over this conspiracy shyt.......



wake up ya'll is right NY Mami......

The victims families deserve to know the truth........... either way......... 9/11 was planned........

KERZO
09-13-2008, 11:33 AM
yeah people died, yeah it was a tradegy, yeah people die every single day from shyt,yeah i'm smoking a :b on sept 11,............eh.............yeah

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 11:46 AM
i think the most sickening part is people with hateful agendas towards political figures use this day and this event as a way of political lampooning when real live human beings had the choice of burning to death, being crushed to death or jumping from the top of a skyscraper for something that had nothing to do with them.

these ppl are seldom mentioned honored or thought about by ppl that use this event as a way of letting us know they don't trust dick cheney and america has no enemies, we control every single human being and have them work in our shadowy interests.

sickening.

I agree.

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 11:52 AM
Look it very well could be a conspiracy, but the problem with 'conspiracies' and why they always remain that way is because none of this has been proven.

I don't kno how fast they could set up detonators to take down a large skyscraper. Was the WTC design to fall like that in case something like this happens?
WEre the detonators already in place and this was a set up??

I dunno, and frankly i dont really care because there is nothing you can do about it short of some sort of revolution, and i aint talkin bout no democratic party revolution.
But then what good would that do?? THings would fall apart and none of us would be living as comfortable as we do now....im speaking of the americans of course.

SHits fucked up, but damn, i'd rather be in this position that in a whole lot of others thru out the world today and thruout history...so i just keep it movin.

KERZO
09-13-2008, 12:03 PM
aint it funny that WTC stands for World Trade Centre & Wu-Tang Corp.........does that mean were doomed to fall like the twin towers.

oh and RIP to the people that died.

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 12:06 PM
Look it very well could be a conspiracy, but the problem with 'conspiracies' and why they always remain that way is because none of this has been proven.

I don't kno how fast they could set up detonators to take down a large skyscraper. Was the WTC design to fall like that in case something like this happens?
WEre the detonators already in place and this was a set up??

I dunno, and frankly i dont really care because there is nothing you can do about it short of some sort of revolution, and i aint talkin bout no democratic party revolution.
But then what good would that do?? THings would fall apart and none of us would be living as comfortable as we do now....im speaking of the americans of course.

SHits fucked up, but damn, i'd rather be in this position that in a whole lot of others thru out the world today and thruout history...so i just keep it movin.

No one knows for sure when exactly the detonators were placed........ no one will ever know...... the buildings are demolished........ their gone........ but that video I posted surely proves that there were indeed detonators put into the buildings....... they most likely hid them very well..........

The owners of the World Trade Center...... and anyone who works in construction and demolition stated that the WTC towers could've still stood even if planes hit the buildings....... the only way to make them demolish....... is the to hit the base of the buildings........

And as for Conspiracy...... it's not that they weren't proven that it's a conspiracy theory....... because there is solid proof....... it's more what people choose to believe is what makes them a conspiracy theory........ when Michael Moore made that film about 9/11...... I haven't heard one Conservative pundit state a full case wit' solid evidence to debunk everything that he stated in that movie......... and he had TONS of evidence that proved 9/11 was a conspiracy........

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 12:09 PM
true. ITs fishy, like your coolu but what can you do???

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 12:12 PM
true. ITs fishy, like your coolu but what can you do???

Hope that someone finds that out soon...... and whoop Bush and Cheney's ass...... because that was NOT right at all..........

That was one of the grotesque things that all of us have ever seen in our lifetimes....... and that was one of the most grotesque experiences for the victims...... and their families.......

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 12:17 PM
si

Blackula Spectacula
09-13-2008, 05:37 PM
Farts*

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 05:38 PM
smells like dominican dick in here now

Blackula Spectacula
09-13-2008, 05:43 PM
smells like dominican dick in here now

Yeah Your moms must have walked into your room.. que puta.

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 05:44 PM
aw man, you went there.......:(

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 05:45 PM
WHUT IZ TEH CHANGE OF HEART NICKY?

there is a thin line my friend.....a very thin line

Blackula Spectacula
09-13-2008, 05:48 PM
aw man, you went there.......:(

i think you were waiting for me there first, and I got there just in time papi.

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 05:50 PM
look, im sorry about the mule and the dominican thing............

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 05:53 PM
truth?!?!?! what fuckin truth?!?!?!?! All you've done is post random shyt and pics from the internet.....how accurate can it be?!?!??! There's plenty of shyt like photo shop these days that even the governemnt prob has....thats even higher end then the regular sites we visit......

You've been sucked into the bullshit and there's no turning back for you.........I feel sorry actually......

You sound just like those UFO experts, and again regardless of hoe fool-proof your claims and info is.....the reailty is.......and I'm assuming here:

1) you're a 20yr old female New Yorker
2) You're either a student or work somewhere for minimum wage....
3) U liek decent hip hop (how thats relevent ono I needed a 3rd point)

^^^ All I'm saying is from credentials like this, you're facts and info prob come from lame sources from teh internet..........

HEY FOLKS! PEOPLE CAN POST A-N-Y BULLSHIT THEY WANT ON THE INTERNET, AND IF SOME1 IS DUMB ENOUGH TO BELIEVE IT, THEY'LL POST IT....U REALLY THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS STUPID ENOUGH TO POST HIGHLY-CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AND PICS ON SOME RANDOM WEBSITE?!?!? U REALLY THINK THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT WHO GET A HOLD OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND POSTS THEM ON RANDOM SITES FOR THE EVERYDAY PUBLIC TO SEE?!?!?!?

u fuckin people have watched too many movies........smh.......

you're right the families need to knwo teh truth....not some fuckin ramblings of some fuckwad conspiracy theorist posting a bunch of pics and false documentation claiming....everything was a set-up........again NY Mami, you're avoiding the real topic......its remembering the dead, not trying to point the finger for the one who caused it.........otherwise, what's to prove? The government is corrupt? Sorry......I knew that way b4 all this conspiracy bullshit came about...tell me sumthin I don't know plz.....

I've posted FACTS.......... LEGAL documents......... and news articles and videos that confirmed EVERYTHING that I stated........ most of which came from legitimate Govt. organization websites.......... There are no ramblings of conspiracy..... people choose what they want to believe........I don't see you postin' anything to debunk what I've posted....... can you back up anything that proves that 9/11 wasn't an inside job?????????......... or you just gonna go on the word that Al Qaeda had ill will towards the U.S. so they just happen to bomb certain landmarks in the same fashion that NORAD was rehearsing months prior to the attacks........ again you can choose what you want to believe..... but the facts are facts........ You can say that I posted bullshit...... and try to insult me based on my age........ but you can find anything to debunk what I've posted???......... have a nice day........

Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 05:54 PM
its all the governments fault

Blackula Spectacula
09-13-2008, 06:04 PM
look, im sorry about the mule and the dominican thing............

I'm so disappointed in you child.

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 06:05 PM
I've posted FACTS.......... LEGAL documents......... and news articles and videos that confirmed EVERYTHING that I stated........ most of which came from legitimate Govt. organization websites.......... There are no ramblings of conspiracy..... people choose what they want to believe........I don't see you postin' anything to debunk what I've posted....... can you back up anything that proves that 9/11 wasn't an inside job?????????......... or you just gonna go on the word that Al Qaeda had ill will towards the U.S. so they just happen to bomb certain landmarks in the same fashion that NORAD was rehearsing months prior to the attacks........ again you can choose what you want to believe..... but the facts are facts........ You can say that I posted bullshit...... and try to insult me based on my age........ but you can find anything to debunk what I've posted???......... have a nice day........


Here we go again. So you claim to know what NORAD was rehearsing before the attacks. GET REAL. It's nobody's job to debunk your theories, it's your job to disprove what is generally accepted by most logical thinking people. Not the other way around. That being said, I can easily disprove or cast significant doubt onto any one of your theories, it's not that hard at all. I am one of the foremost authorities on that day, that doesn't actually work for some government agency or some right wing conspiracy theorists. The fact that you claim to know what NORAD was doing prior to 9-11 just makes you look like a liar. I'm guessing you get all your so-called credible information from the internet?

Blackula Spectacula
09-13-2008, 06:11 PM
NY mami used Wikipedia >_>

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 06:15 PM
Here we go again. So you claim to know what NORAD was rehearsing before the attacks. GET REAL. It's nobody's job to debunk your theories, it's your job to disprove what is generally accepted by most logical thinking people. Not the other way around. That being said, I can easily disprove or cast significant doubt onto any one of your theories, it's not that hard at all. I am one of the foremost authorities on that day, that doesn't actually work for some government agency or some right wing conspiracy theorists. The fact that you claim to know what NORAD was doing prior to 9-11 just makes you look like a liar. I'm guessing you get all your so-called credible information from the internet?

I didn't claim to know what NORAD was doing prior to 9/11...... it was all documented what they were doing....... the Associated Press found out about it through those officials at Homeland Security Function what NORAD was planning....... I even posted a pictures of them rehearsing the Pentagon attacks........ how much more accurate can you get than that???.......again it's all documented....... I don't have to make it up.......

Facts and legal documents.......and where did u find these so-called facts and legal documents? On the internet........thats right.......

I don't need to post any 'proof' because, liek I said....why bother? 90% of the stuff on the internet is bullshyt.........but u know what? People pay attention to it because it's entertaining......If you're gonna believe these so called 'hard' facts blindly....then.......I guess that's your choice......but it really isn't teh right one......

I mean so far, all I have seen is conspiracy theorist ramblings......but ofcourse you're gonna say otherwise...why? Becaue it's like u said....u choose to believe it.........

Stop looking for excuses and trying to point the finger.....in the end, what will a conspiracy theory prove?......Teh government is corrupt, its evil, its the devil, etc etc etc.........does this change the view in any other way?......Like I said b4, I knew all th@t shyt b4 this 9/11 crap...the point I'm trying to make is, don't try and make false accusations based on false documnetation that 'claims' to be real.....I mean c'mon NY Mami...where's your source? How accurate can it REALLY be? Because 'the site' says it is?......c'mon now, u seem like a smart poster......be smart about this.....And Michael Moore? You're gonna belive a Michael Moore documentary?.......That guy has his head so far up his @$$ he's got to be pinnochio.....

Either way as u said, people are gonna believe what they wanna believe, so we might as well agree to disagree........the sad thing is, I figured you'd be one of teh few to avoid this kind of garbage found in KTL.....guess I was wrong about u.......

peace

Sources.......

NORAD's website
Aviation Week
Associated Press
US Today
Jones Report
And several documentaries.........

Were my sources for what I posted....... do your research........

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 06:16 PM
NY mami used Wikipedia >_>

LOL....... NOPE....... I don't even think that information is up there.......

KERZO
09-13-2008, 06:19 PM
This thread needs a shrap egghead jpeg insertion -

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d31/Fermex/Photoshop%20Edits/ShrapEgg-Head.jpg


pleazureizminez

BTTR KNG KOOL
09-13-2008, 06:19 PM
...only a fucking brain dead believes that 9/11 was an "inside job".

U understand the Mujahideens have reason to Hate america, study just a bit of history if u dont understand why.

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 06:23 PM
^ fuck you're hearing but you're not listening.........

the internet....is bullshyt......

You NY MAmi.........I give up.......

smh 1000 times.......

NOPE....... I'm hearin'....... doin' my research....... and comin' to my own conclusions thank you...........

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 06:32 PM
Ok NY Mami, here is where you lose.

Here is my theory versus your theory.

Your theory.

On 9-11 The U.S. government fashioned missiles that were clearly visible on the belly of large passenger jumbo jets and "payed" or "coaxed" someone into ramming those planes into both towers of the World Trade Center. At the same time (as if that wasn't enough) they placed detonators in the exact places that a barely controllable 767 going over 500 miles an hour would hit, either that or you are saying guys with tons of explosive equipment rushed passed hundreds of people and firefighters on the way up to the 91st and 67th floors respectively and set them up and rushed out all in less than an hour. Are you seeing the holes in your story yet?

Oh yea, and this was all perpetrated by some of the DUMBEST mutherfuckers to ever walk the Earth. (the Bush Administration)

My theory

This country hadn't been attacked on the mainland since WWII, and we hadn't had a hijacking or attempted hijacking in over 20 years. Therefore our security had become a little lax and we simply dropped the ball and sat on our asses trying to figure out little proceedures, you know like who has the authority to order an attack on one of our own commercial airliners? Lets face it, most of us sat on our asses with our mouths open perplexed. I bet a lot of the same shit was going on in our government. Once again, these are some of the DUMBEST motherfuckers to ever walk the Earth.


Now, which sounds more plausible to you?

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 06:37 PM
The simple fact that you give this government credit for something so complex and ingenious is insulting to logical thinking people everywhere.

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 06:45 PM
LOL..... That aint even close to my theory........

My theory was........

On 9/11......... NORAD was planning drills (Vigilant Guardian) that simulated attacks on buildings using airplanes as weapons around the same time as the attacks on the World Trade Center ocurred....... Military was going to intervene to prevent the situation from happenin'....... but they were instructed not to because they informed it was apart of their drills........ There is audio of one Air Traffic Control officer on the radio informing people that there was a hijacked aircraft headed towards NYC....... the person he was contactin' then responded "Is it apart of the procedure???" meanin' is it apart of the drills....... those quotes I posted has that in full detail........ As for the missles and planes..... now I believe that Flight 93 was a commercial plane...... no doubt about it....... there is audio of an Air Traffic Control Officer tryin' to get into contact wit' the pilots......... as for Flight 175...... that I believe was not a commercial plane..... and the belly of that plane did have somethin' attached to it....... even witnesses said the plane didn't look like a commercial plane for it had no windows...... I've flown on Commercial planes before....... and never seen a belly look like that one before.........

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 06:49 PM
The simple fact that you give this government credit for something so complex and ingenious is insulting to logical thinking people everywhere.

Hell this Govt. is lyin' to us about why we are at war right now wit' the Middle East........ you really expect them to tell the truth about 9/11??????......... If they did...... then people wouldn't have so many questions...... for that situation could've easily been prevented and wasn't.......

firewood_for_hell
09-13-2008, 06:49 PM
the doctor and rock r fucking idiots

ps norad did practice drills in colorado and its documented if your too lazy to check for yourself or dont want to believe then fuck you you fuckin slouch

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 07:07 PM
LOL..... That aint even close to my theory........

My theory was........

On 9/11......... NORAD was planning drills (Vigilant Guardian) that simulated attacks on buildings using airplanes as weapons around the same time as the attacks on the World Trade Center ocurred....... Military was going to intervene to prevent the situation from happenin'....... but they were instructed not to because they informed it was apart of their drills........ There is audio of one Air Traffic Control officer on the radio informing people that there was a hijacked aircraft headed towards NYC....... the person he was contactin' then responded "Is it apart of the procedure???" meanin' is it apart of the drills....... those quotes I posted has that in full detail........ As for the missles and planes..... now I believe that Flight 93 was a commercial plane...... no doubt about it....... there is audio of an Air Traffic Control Officer tryin' to get into contact wit' the pilots......... as for Flight 175...... that I believe was not a commercial plane..... and the belly of that plane did have somethin' attached to it....... even witnesses said the plane didn't look like a commercial plane for it had no windows...... I've flown on Commercial planes before....... and never seen a belly look like that one before.........

Here is an example of how something someone says can be twisted to mean something else. First of all, your facts are wrong. The drills they were doing had nothing to do with simulated attacks on buildings. This is NOT true. There were drills going on, true, but they were on the west coast, and a large part of the reason our readiness wasn't up to snuff.

"Is it apart of the procedure???"

This is an incorrect interpretation of this quote, because you failed to add the rest of the quote which actually was

"Is this a part of the procedure? Is this real world or exercise?"

See how chopping off that last part can confuse things and twist it to look your way? The controller was simply asking if the info he was getting was a part of the large scale exercise they were doing, or part of a real world incident. Also the F-16s were ordered to "stand down" because they had not yet received authority to shoot down a commercial airliner, which prior to 9-11 could only be authorized by the President...and as we all know, he was busy reading Horton Hears a Who to 3rd graders in Sarasota. (yet another example of ineptitude versus your genius masterminds theory)


Since clearly you have made up your mind, all the logic in the world won't change it, but I will leave you with this.

If you are correct in your assertion that flight 175 had a "missile" under it, what exactly did that missile do? When did it explode? upon impact? Did it survive the crash and explode later? If it was responsible for the building coming down, how did the other one fall, since you said you believed the other plane was simply a passenger jet? Are you seeing how stupid your theory sounds?

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 07:11 PM
the doctor and rock r fucking idiots

ps norad did practice drills in colorado and its documented if your too lazy to check for yourself or dont want to believe then fuck you you fuckin slouch

Why am I an idiot? Have i said anything that wasn't untrue? You come up with a logical theory that 9-11 is a conspiracy and i will sign off on it. I'm not a stupid fuck like you, who throws all logic out the window, and calls others idiots because they don't believe their moronic theories.

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 07:13 PM
Just heard the audio again.......

Air Traffic Control: Hijacked Aircraft headed towards NYC......
Response: Is this real world or exercise????????
Air Traffic Control: No it's not an excercise in address.....

Either way........ the responder mistook the call for a drill........ which proves me right......

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 07:19 PM
Just heard the audio again.......

Air Traffic Control: Hijacked Aircraft headed towards NYC......
Response: Is this real world or exercise????????
Air Traffic Control: No it's not an excercise in address.....

Either way........ the responder mistook the call for a drill........ which proves me right......

What the fuck are you talking about? The responder was asking if it was an exercise or not? How does that somehow prove YOU right? If anything it backs up my theory of ineptitude. Man you must be the king of narrowmindedness.


Oh and you still haven't answered my questions to your missile theory. Is this because you can't?

BTTR KNG KOOL
09-13-2008, 07:19 PM
Just heard the audio again.......

Air Traffic Control: Hijacked Aircraft headed towards NYC......
Response: Is this real world or exercise????????
Air Traffic Control: No it's not an excercise in address.....

Either way........ the responder mistook the call for a drill........ which proves me right......

Are u stupid

are u saying that just cos the motherfucker couldnt believe his ears, it has to be a conspiracy theory?

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 07:21 PM
Occum's Razor

firewood_for_hell
09-13-2008, 07:28 PM
Why am I an idiot? Have i said anything that wasn't untrue? You come up with a logical theory that 9-11 is a conspiracy and i will sign off on it. I'm not a stupid fuck like you, who throws all logic out the window, and calls others idiots because they don't believe their moronic theories.
e-motion

haha its not a theory you fucking idIOt its DOCUMENTED

norad stood down and let the planes hit but i guess its just a coinicdence theory or maybe they had that day off?

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 07:29 PM
What the fuck are you talking about? The responder was asking if it was an exercise or not? How does that somehow prove YOU right? If anything it backs up my theory of ineptitude. Man you must be the king of narrowmindedness.


Oh and you still haven't answered my questions to your missile theory. Is this because you can't?

The responder was an official for NORAD....... He knew of the Vigilant Guardian drill that was to occur on 9/11....... which is why when he was informed...... he asked that question..... again read........

Aviation Week & Space Technology:
June 3, 2002 Exercise Jump-Starts Response to Attacks

At 8:40 a.m. EDT, Tech. Sgt. Jeremy W. Powell of North American Aerospace Defense Command's (Norad) Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) in Rome, N.Y., took the first call from Boston Center. He notified NEADS commander Col. Robert K. Marr, Jr., of a possible hijacked airliner, American Airlines Flight 11.
"Part of the exercise?" the colonel wondered. No; this is a real-world event, he was told. Several days into a semiannual exercise known as Vigilant Guardian, NEADS was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center "battle cab."
In retrospect, the exercise would prove to be a serendipitous enabler of a rapid military response to terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. Senior officers involved in Vigilant Guardian were manning Norad command centers throughout the U.S. and Canada, available to make immediate decisions.

It's all there.......

Are u stupid

are u saying that just cos the motherfucker couldnt believe his ears, it has to be a conspiracy theory?

NO.........

BTTR KNG KOOL
09-13-2008, 07:30 PM
They say that UFO's are documented too !

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 07:31 PM
They say that UFO's are documented too !

That's bullshit.........

BTTR KNG KOOL
09-13-2008, 07:34 PM
That's bullshit.........

orly

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beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 07:35 PM
e-motion

haha its not a theory you fucking idIOt its DOCUMENTED

norad stood down and let the planes hit but i guess its just a coinicdence theory or maybe they had that day off?

As I already stated in plain English, NORAD did NOT have the authorization to shoot down commercial airliners. Prior to 9-11 ONLY the president had the authority to order such an attack. Not even VPOTUS had that authority. Where was Bush? Reading stories to kids in Florida. By the time he actually got around to giving the order, the last plane had already crashed in Shanksville. Now explain to me again why I'm the idiot.

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 07:40 PM
The responder was an official for NORAD....... He knew of the Vigilant Guardian drill that was to occur on 9/11....... which is why when he was informed...... he asked that question..... again read........


Ok, let's get past that since i already gave you a logical explanation as to why and how NORAD responded. What I want from you is a logical explanation to your missile theory.

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 07:41 PM
As I already stated in plain English, NORAD did NOT have the authorization to shoot down commercial airliners. Prior to 9-11 ONLY the president had the authority to order such an attack. Not even VPOTUS had that authority. Where was Bush? Reading stories to kids in Florida. By the time he actually got around to giving the order, the last plane had already crashed in Shanksville. Now explain to me again why I'm the idiot.

Which is again why I brought up what Lee Hamilton said at the National Commission when questionin' Cheney's behavior on 9/11.........

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 07:42 PM
Ok, let's get past that since i already gave you a logical explanation as to why and how NORAD responded. What I want from you is a logical explanation to your missile theory.

Military Plane......... or are you talkin' about the bombs that were planted in the buildings???........ because I provided video of that.......... go watch........

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 07:43 PM
orly

http://blog.kexp.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/divine-diggs-2.jpg

If that's you in that picture...... you are a cutie........

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 07:46 PM
Which is again why I brought up what Lee Hamilton said at the National Commission when questionin' Cheney's behavior on 9/11.........

Why are we even bringing up Cheney? What authority do you think he had? As far as i know, Cheney was sitting in his office in the Capitol when he was literally picked up from his chair by Secret Service and dragged into a bunker.

BTTR KNG KOOL
09-13-2008, 07:56 PM
If that's you in that picture...... you are a cutie........

http://www.jewcy.com/files/u9/baldwin.jpg

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 08:00 PM
Military Plane......... or are you talkin' about the bombs that were planted in the buildings???........ because I provided video of that.......... go watch........


Ok, so you are saying bombs were planted in the buildings now. Which you denied before in favor of your missile theory. So they put a missile on the plane and bombs in the buildings...again. Which is it?

If bombs were planted, when and where were they planted?

What happens when 40 floors pancake onto each other? Do you think it might cause an outward air burst that could look like an explosion?

Or are you saying that the bombs were planted in the basement? This of course would mean that the buildings would crumble from the bottom, and if you are saying that happened you clearly didn't see the tape.

Can we at least agree that the buildings collapsed from the top down? If we can't agree on that, then you have a serious case of denial.

If we can agree that the buildings collapsed from the top down, then I once again have to ask you, when and where did they put the bombs? If it was done beforehand how could you possible control where a 767 going 500 miles an hour would hit? If was done after, how could they climb up all those flights of stairs past firefighters and hundreds of people to plant the devices and get out all in less than an hour?

If you are going to make a theory, stick with it, don't shuffle back and forth with your ideas, coming up with even more ridiculous propositions.

SKAMPOE
09-13-2008, 08:22 PM
http://spaceghetto.net/sandbox/uploads/twins.jpg

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 08:22 PM
Also, i just want to point out that lying about Iraq does in no way have any connection to 9/11. The government has been lying to the American public since 1776. It doesn't make them genius masterminds. I can't stand this administration either, but believing they had that much control over a situation as huge as this is just embarrassing. this is the same government that took 5 days to get water to the Superdome. This is the same government that got locked into an unwinable war in Iraq, because of bad intelligence. This is the same government that cannot find 1 guy on a dialysis mackine for 7 years. Does that sound like genius to you? Or does it sound like ineptitude? Think about your everyday life and the people around you. Most of them are stupid right? Well the US Guvment is a microcosm of your own life. They have just as many inept morons as any other situation. Think about it.

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 08:31 PM
http://spaceghetto.net/sandbox/uploads/twins.jpg

Picture don't show.......

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 08:33 PM
Ok, so you are saying bombs were planted in the buildings now. Which you denied before in favor of your missile theory. So they put a missile on the plane and bombs in the buildings...again. Which is it?

If bombs were planted, when and where were they planted?

What happens when 40 floors pancake onto each other? Do you think it might cause an outward air burst that could look like an explosion?

Or are you saying that the bombs were planted in the basement? This of course would mean that the buildings would crumble from the bottom, and if you are saying that happened you clearly didn't see the tape.

Can we at least agree that the buildings collapsed from the top down? If we can't agree on that, then you have a serious case of denial.

If we can agree that the buildings collapsed from the top down, then I once again have to ask you, when and where did they put the bombs? If it was done beforehand how could you possible control where a 767 going 500 miles an hour would hit? If was done after, how could they climb up all those flights of stairs past firefighters and hundreds of people to plant the devices and get out all in less than an hour?

If you are going to make a theory, stick with it, don't shuffle back and forth with your ideas, coming up with even more ridiculous propositions.

I never denied that bombs were planted inside of the buildings........ the video I posted....... speaks for itself........ I don't know where they were exactly planted...... nobody knows except for the people that were inside of the building......... but it was most likely in the base areas of the towers since that was the only way to demolish them.......

I stick to my own theories....... tryna explain them to you......... but you can believe what you want........

firewood_for_hell
09-13-2008, 08:38 PM
the government and the current administration are fucking tools of the global bankers

SKAMPOE
09-13-2008, 08:39 PM
they show to me
its ur pc

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 08:47 PM
I never denied that bombs were planted inside of the buildings........ the video I posted....... speaks for itself........ I don't know where they were exactly planted...... nobody knows except for the people that were inside of the building......... but it was most likely in the base areas of the towers since that was the only way to demolish them.......

I stick to my own theories....... tryna explain them to you......... but you can believe what you want........
So even though you have seen the video, what, a thousand times, you think that bombs were planted at the bottom. Clearly you can see the building pancake onto itself. Why are you denying that? Watch the video of the first building collapse and pause it halfway through. The bottom of the building is CLEARLY intact. Where is the argument?

And here is the most damning evidence to your so-called "theory". If bombs were placed at the bottom as you say, As the building came down the bottom floors would be obliterated. This did NOT happen. partial shells of the outside wall can still be seen leaning but still standing upward? If it was blown up from the bottom how do you explain this?

firewood_for_hell
09-13-2008, 08:53 PM
who benefitted from all this?
what about building 7 which was never hit by a plane and collapsd idntical to the others?

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 09:15 PM
who benefitted from all this?
what about building 7 which was never hit by a plane and collapsd idntical to the others?

These are the biggest and best arguments toward a theory of conspiracy.

You have a good point about the benefits of the event as clearly this helped the American war machine more than anything, but I ask you do you honestly think they needed an event this extreme to start a war? I mean clearly Bush had plans for Saddam before 9-11, he tried to kill his daddy right? Also while the war machine benefited, the US economy did not, and there is nothing this government hates more than losing money.

As far as building 7, conspiracy theorists like to go nuts because that building housed certain government offices. You are wrong about the building falling identically to the towers, anyone can see that the towers collapsed from the top down, while building 7 collapsed as NY Mami suggested the towers did, from the bottom up.

So why did it fall?

I can only go by the official report, which is that when the buildings collapsed, underground gas lines exploded and ignited the basement of the complex (all the WTC buildings shared the same basement complex). Since that complex was evacuated and all firefighters in the area were trying to dig their breathren out of a giant pile of rubble, the building remained unchecked, and was allowed to burn for 8 hours.

Now I hear all the so called expert claims that fire cannot bring down a steal structure, but when exactly did anybody ever test that theory over an 8 hour period? Many so called experts believe things that have never been tested, but does that make them right?

11th Chamber
09-13-2008, 09:15 PM
to Brock, im NOT one to say this happened or that happened, cause honestly I dont kno the whole story, and neither does anyone else on this site.

BUT I have seen a video on youtube, and of course I cant find it right now, but it was basically of one of the NYPD guys at the bottom of one of the towers telling people that there were bombs or explosives, and for everyone to clear the area

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 09:28 PM
to Brock, im NOT one to say this happened or that happened, cause honestly I dont kno the whole story, and neither does anyone else on this site.

BUT I have seen a video on youtube, and of course I cant find it right now, but it was basically of one of the NYPD guys at the bottom of one of the towers telling people that there were bombs or explosives, and for everyone to clear the area

Many, many faulty or untrue reports went over the air, I remember hearing all sorts of phoney baloney on that day. Reports of secondary explosions, 6 hijacked planes instead of 4, Isreal being nuked...etc. etc. It is in all likelihood that the cop got a call from somebody in his family called him and told him about one of those false reports and he reacted accordingly.

All I ask is that you just watch the tape of the towers collapse. Do you see the building crumbling from the bottom or does it pancake onto itself? If the answer is the latter, you MUST conclude that the collapse was caused by the planes weakening the support structures of the building. No other theory holds any water at all.

NY_Mami
09-13-2008, 10:10 PM
Many, many faulty or untrue reports went over the air, I remember hearing all sorts of phoney baloney on that day. Reports of secondary explosions, 6 hijacked planes instead of 4, Isreal being nuked...etc. etc. It is in all likelihood that the cop got a call from somebody in his family called him and told him about one of those false reports and he reacted accordingly.

All I ask is that you just watch the tape of the towers collapse. Do you see the building crumbling from the bottom or does it pancake onto itself? If the answer is the latter, you MUST conclude that the collapse was caused by the planes weakening the support structures of the building. No other theory holds any water at all.


Not only that....... but I saw the CNN Live coverage of Sept. 11....... and every single witness that was either there...... or lived in the vicinity all said that they heard...... and I quote what they described as a "Sonic BOOM"......... and there was a rare video of the 1st plane hit...... not one major outlet had video...... but people nearby videotaping caught it...... and in the most popular video......... right before the 1st plane hit...... there is an FDNY official nearby checkin' the sewers because there was smoke comin' out...... and then there is a loud noise in the sky........ and then all of a sudden a plane crashes into the tower....... not only that........ but in the video I posted........ FDNY officers and EMTS and NYPD officers were tellin' people to clear out because there were bombs inside of the building...... and they heard multiple bombs that went off......... I also think that explosions is what caused the buildings to collapse as well........ because I remember in the video...... one of the FDNY officers told everyone to get out because if 3 more bombs go off...... then the entire structure will collapse........ it's bad enough that planes flew into them....... but they were also bombed........

Matter fact....... here's a video of where you can see where the bombs were planted....... either those are bombs....... or people tryna jump out........

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Olive Oil Goombah
09-13-2008, 10:24 PM
I'm so disappointed in you child.

really? thats sad

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 10:30 PM
Not only that....... but I saw the CNN Live coverage of Sept. 11....... and every single witness that was either there...... or lived in the vicinity all said that they heard...... and I quote what they described as a "Sonic BOOM"......... and there was a rare video of the 1st plane hit...... not one major outlet had video...... but people nearby videotaping caught it...... and in the most popular video......... right before the 1st plane hit...... there is an FDNY official nearby checkin' the sewers because there was smoke comin' out...... and then there is a loud noise in the sky........ and then all of a sudden a plane crashes into the tower....... not only that........ but in the video I posted........ FDNY officers and EMTS and NYPD officers were tellin' people to clear out because there were bombs inside of the building...... and they heard multiple bombs that went off......... I also think that explosions is what caused the buildings to collapse as well........ because I remember in the video...... one of the FDNY officers told everyone to get out because if 3 more bombs go off...... then the entire structure will collapse........ it's bad enough that planes flew into them....... but they were also bombed........

You just refuse to acknowledge the fact that the buildings pancaked on top of themselves even though you have seen it a million times. You refuse to say what your eyes should tell you. Whenever I bring up new compelling evidence to the contrary,it is like I'm not saying it at all, because you completely ignore it and go back to what you believe and not what logic dictates. This is one of the many definitions of insanity.

A plane flying at 800 feet over a city would sound really really loud. Like a sonic boom.

What does a freight elevator sound like when it falls 67 stories? Like a bomb going off perhaps?

"there is an FDNY official nearby checkin' the sewers because there was smoke comin' out"

That footage was caught because documentary filmmakers from another country were filming. The FDNY official you speak of is just a regular firefighter. Stop filling in the blanks with your conspiracy crap. The "smoke" you speak of is this funny stuff called steam, this happens on September mornings in big cities...and don't quote me on this but I think that documentary was on NYC security measures and they were demonstrating what they do to secure such a big city during such events like parades and New Years Day.

So explosions caused the buildings to collapse, but there was also one plane with a missile on it and one "regular" plane that crashed, but that had no missile. And even though the buildings collapsed on top of themselves, it was bombs in the basement that caused the collapse....even though much of the shell of the bottom floors was still intact. Make up your fucking mind already. You are singlehandedly demolishing your own theories by illogical nonsense.

Do women even know when they are being illogical? I think not.

SKAMPOE
09-13-2008, 10:33 PM
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beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 10:34 PM
Matter fact....... here's a video of where you can see where the bombs were planted....... either those are bombs....... or people tryna jump out........

Those are air bursts, my god

What happens when 40 floors pancake onto themselves? Where does all the AIR inside the building go? Use your god damn head for Christ's sake. It's simple physics. Compressed Air explodes outward. How do you NOT know this?

SKAMPOE
09-13-2008, 10:38 PM
it was bombs from demo expoerts that brought down wtc

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 10:42 PM
it was bombs from demo expoerts that brought down wtc

Yea sure it was, i go back to how do you explain the buildings pancaking onto themselves and when and where did they put the bombs. also if you think a 767 can be controlled remotely at all and with that type of accuracy, i have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

SKAMPOE
09-13-2008, 10:48 PM
it was the bombs and the planes the brought down the planes, how can u explain building seven comming down with out an impac from the plane?


its obvious ur a republican jew

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 10:54 PM
it was the bombs and the planes the brought down the planes, how can u explain building seven comming down with out an impac from the plane?


its obvious ur a republican jew
No actually I'm a independent thinking logical athiest, as opposed to your political affiliation, Fat Stupid Lazy Bastards of America.


I already posted this but you were obviously stuffing your mouth with twinkies at the time, so here.


As far as building 7, conspiracy theorists like to go nuts because that building housed certain government offices. You are wrong about the building falling identically to the towers, anyone can see that the towers collapsed from the top down, while building 7 collapsed as NY Mami suggested the towers did, from the bottom up.

So why did it fall?

I can only go by the official report, which is that when the buildings collapsed, underground gas lines exploded and ignited the basement of the complex (all the WTC buildings shared the same basement complex). Since that complex was evacuated and all firefighters in the area were trying to dig their breathren out of a giant pile of rubble, the building remained unchecked, and was allowed to burn for 8 hours.

Now I hear all the so called expert claims that fire cannot bring down a steal structure, but when exactly did anybody ever test that theory over an 8 hour period? Many so called experts believe things that have never been tested, but does that make them right?

SKAMPOE
09-13-2008, 10:56 PM
the bush admn did it god damn it

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 11:00 PM
the bush admn did it god damn it

The Bush Administration is every bit as smart as you are....which is why there is no possible way on Earth they could have pulled off what you say.

beautifulrock
09-13-2008, 11:08 PM
I think it's funny that you think I'm a Republican Jew, when you are the one acting like the administration is this incredible force with amazing powers, and I'm calling them what they actually are, a bunch of inept idiots. You watch too much 24.

SKAMPOE
09-13-2008, 11:58 PM
I think it's funny that you think I'm a Republican Jew, when you are the one acting like the administration is this incredible force with amazing powers, and I'm calling them what they actually are, a bunch of inept idiots. You watch too much 24.

republicans = the pagan fucks = illuminatti

Huggasaurus Sex
09-14-2008, 03:26 AM
props to brock for holding it down for the thinking people of the world.

but to be honest i simply disregarded everything NY Mami said after

I couldn't seldom thinkin' how bad it was in that building that people had no choice but to jump..........


i mean we know the government is lying to us about what happened on that day but if anything, these internet encyclopedia browns spewing forth all these ridiculous theories about fake families of fake dead people crying fake tears because actually it was a military plane with a missile strapped to it just makes it harder for us to go forward with more serious inquiries.

KERZO
09-14-2008, 04:00 AM
thi argument could go on forever, or until someone gets bored,lol

$inista
09-14-2008, 04:36 AM
I seen the second plane hit i did not see no missile i seen the sun reflecting off the mother fucker even seen numbers on the bitch

they pulled building 7 a term use to blow shit up, they said they pulled it
i forget the reason they gave but it was probably bull anyway

I read and seen some where that one of Bush's brother was the owner or security director of the security company that secure the buildings with explosive, oh I mean secured the whole WTC site? dont know how true is this.

back to NORAD = fishy

Steel melts at 2750 degrees. Jet fuel burns at 1400 degrees. How can jet fuel ignite steel beams?


I believe facts some of the facts make you say hmmm. i don't believe all the conspiracy theories, but some of them sound like it could be possibilities
truthfully anything could be a possibility hmmm

society tells us we are crazy for thinking such things like this, our government wouldn't do such things. what if, what if we was normal & everyone else was crazy?

our government is not capable of doing such things, we not capable of creating wars or are we, CIA where some stand up dudes, wasn't Bush senior director of the CIA he must be a stand up dude to, wait a min didn't the CIA bring crack cocaine to the hood? oh thats different they was just trying to keep us niggers & spics in check

point being with out chaos nothing evolves in this country from the beginning of this bitch, slavery need i say more

I am not saying i believe in these theories to be truth however you cant dismiss em either when your government does not tell you the truth, one of the greatest supper powers of the world, high technology , intelligence, reconnaissance, military....how the fuck we do not know when we know it all?

as for as this tragic event it already serve its purpose for the evil behind it all, watching the current event fold from that point to know
who had the most to gain? the American people, Bush, Cheney, homeland security, police states, patriot acts I & II, terrorists, tali ban, al queda, (CIA made) Bin Laden, who? just a question

DR. NICK RIVIERA
09-14-2008, 05:56 AM
THE BUTLER DID IT.

beautifulrock
09-14-2008, 06:10 AM
Steel melts at 2750 degrees. Jet fuel burns at 1400 degrees. How can jet fuel ignite steel beams?

This is an example of "stupid" thinking. What he doesn't say is that jet fuel also burns off in about 3 seconds.

It isn't the jet fuel fuel "melting" the steel that caused the collapse.

Upon impact, jet fuel is scattered thruout the building, ignititing everything, desks, chairs, computers, photocopiers, and mountains of paper. As this stuff continues to burn unabated, the steel "trusses" become structurally compromised and they begin to bend, not melt as you say. Trust me nothing "melted" on 9-11 except the skin off of bodies. When they bend long enough, eventually one of the trusses with the amassed pressure of thousands of pounds of weight from above will buckle, and once it snaps and falls, a domino effect begins and every subsequent truss will snap and fall just as the previous one does. This gives us the pancake effect, which is exactly what you saw on September 11th.

beautifulrock
09-14-2008, 06:15 AM
Also. i just want to point out that those who think that the government is behind 9/11 because they are trying to cover their tracks, well, wouldn't they do the exact same thing if they were a government that never ever admitted when they made a mistake? Wait, that IS our government.

They are covering up their ineptitude, not some massive conspiracy.

$inista
09-14-2008, 06:59 AM
THE BUTLER DID IT.
lol it had to be the butler

Longbongcilvaringz
09-14-2008, 07:54 AM
Also. i just want to point out that those who think that the government is behind 9/11 because they are trying to cover their tracks, well, wouldn't they do the exact same thing if they were a government that never ever admitted when they made a mistake? Wait, that IS our government.

They are covering up their ineptitude, not some massive conspiracy.

Didn't i like, say something in the same vein a few pages back and get slandered for it?

I think you're right though.

$inista
09-14-2008, 08:28 AM
Steel melts at 2750 degrees. Jet fuel burns at 1400 degrees. How can jet fuel ignite steel beams?

This is an example of "stupid" thinking. What he doesn't say is that jet fuel also burns off in about 3 seconds.

It isn't the jet fuel fuel "melting" the steel that caused the collapse.

Upon impact, jet fuel is scattered thruout the building, ignititing everything, desks, chairs, computers, photocopiers, and mountains of paper. As this stuff continues to burn unabated, the steel "trusses" become structurally compromised and they begin to bend, not melt as you say. Trust me nothing "melted" on 9-11 except the skin off of bodies. When they bend long enough, eventually one of the trusses with the amassed pressure of thousands of pounds of weight from above will buckle, and once it snaps and falls, a domino effect begins and every subsequent truss will snap and fall just as the previous one does. This gives us the pancake effect, which is exactly what you saw on September 11th.


OOOK science is stupid thinking! don't argue with me take it up with the scientist & engineers, click on the link don't be afraid to learn something it educational it covers everything you could think of with facts not theories
please read it.

http://septembereleventh.org/documents/rodgwtcpdf.pdf

also

Marvin Pierce Bush the youngest son of George H. W. Bush

From 1993 until June 2000, he was on the board of directors of the Sterling, Virginia company Stratesec (formerly known as Securacom),[1] which had contracts to provide security for United Airlines, Dulles International Airport, and the World Trade Center. The Securacom/Stratesec company was publicly traded and backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corporation.

doesn't mean much but fishy
some one ask how can you wire a building with explosive, it be easy if you controlled security, I don't know just a thought

And

Professional Demolition of World Trade Center Building 7
Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.
We have attempted to call Larry Silverstein's office on several occasions. Silverstein has never issued a retraction for his comments.
Photos taken moments before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors.
Firefighters were told to move away from the building moments before it collapsed.
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!

wow 500 million!

Huggasaurus Sex
09-14-2008, 09:25 AM
so according to you the youngest bush wasn't an active board member when the attacks occurred, and even if he was, how exactly does a board member, someone who doesn't even manage operations, get the company involved in the grandest, most devious scheme of all time, without arousing suspicions?

and if silverstein defrauded an insurance company for 500 million dollars then i assure you that insurance company would not have much of a problem exposing any evidence that the buildings were rigged to come down.


again the amount of money it would take to bribe all the people who would be privy to this conspiracy is staggering. and for not one of them to have the conscience of mind to come forward to expose the largest conspiracy in history?

come on. think.

$inista
09-14-2008, 09:40 AM
"the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"

Rame
09-14-2008, 09:45 AM
They recently proved that building 7 collapsed because of the fire.

Cut the crap already.

Al-Qaida did it.

Longbongcilvaringz
09-14-2008, 09:58 AM
Rama, i always appreciate the conciseness of your posts.

I just thought i'd say that, they're great.

ZigZag
09-14-2008, 11:19 AM
Steel melts at 2750 degrees. Jet fuel burns at 1400 degrees. How can jet fuel ignite steel beams?

This is an example of "stupid" thinking. What he doesn't say is that jet fuel also burns off in about 3 seconds.

It isn't the jet fuel fuel "melting" the steel that caused the collapse.

Upon impact, jet fuel is scattered thruout the building, ignititing everything, desks, chairs, computers, photocopiers, and mountains of paper. As this stuff continues to burn unabated, the steel "trusses" become structurally compromised and they begin to bend, not melt as you say. Trust me nothing "melted" on 9-11 except the skin off of bodies. When they bend long enough, eventually one of the trusses with the amassed pressure of thousands of pounds of weight from above will buckle, and once it snaps and falls, a domino effect begins and every subsequent truss will snap and fall just as the previous one does. This gives us the pancake effect, which is exactly what you saw on September 11th.


I dont agree with this. I work with torches all the time n i work n buidlings all the time. It doesn't make sense. u have to be able to keep a steady temperature in order to heat metal and keep the heat on the metal for a bit...so it has to be EXTREMELY hot. desk n chairs is not enough when u got air from outside to drop the heat temperature. that has to even still be some serious heat tho because all beams and ceilings have fire proofing on it. so it had to be really really hot n i dont think that jet could make enough heat to expand the steel.

also u couldn't possibly melt the steel its true. it wasn't the steel itself that melt but the bolts the fell out when the metal expanded.

also im intrigued about the other buildings how the hell did they fall? nothing touched em?? and the towers fell on top itself it didn't topple over...interesting....:nerdy:

Rame
09-14-2008, 11:26 AM
Rama, i always appreciate the conciseness of your posts.

I just thought i'd say that, they're great.



No problem.

Olive Oil Goombah
09-14-2008, 11:34 AM
I think that we are giving both the government and the terrorists alot more credit than they deserve when discussing the conspiracy of some masterminded grand scheme within endless plotlines.
But thats just my opinion.

KERZO
09-14-2008, 12:40 PM
.....and the saga continues....

beautifulrock
09-14-2008, 12:55 PM
I dont agree with this. I work with torches all the time n i work n buidlings all the time. It doesn't make sense. u have to be able to keep a steady temperature in order to heat metal and keep the heat on the metal for a bit...so it has to be EXTREMELY hot. desk n chairs is not enough when u got air from outside to drop the heat temperature. that has to even still be some serious heat tho because all beams and ceilings have fire proofing on it. so it had to be really really hot n i dont think that jet could make enough heat to expand the steel.

also u couldn't possibly melt the steel its true. it wasn't the steel itself that melt but the bolts the fell out when the metal expanded.

also im intrigued about the other buildings how the hell did they fall? nothing touched em?? and the towers fell on top itself it didn't topple over...interesting....:nerdy:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/)

watch the slide shows in the impact to collapse section, then believe whatever the hell you want

NY_Mami
09-14-2008, 01:33 PM
You just refuse to acknowledge the fact that the buildings pancaked on top of themselves even though you have seen it a million times. You refuse to say what your eyes should tell you. Whenever I bring up new compelling evidence to the contrary,it is like I'm not saying it at all, because you completely ignore it and go back to what you believe and not what logic dictates. This is one of the many definitions of insanity.

A plane flying at 800 feet over a city would sound really really loud. Like a sonic boom.

What does a freight elevator sound like when it falls 67 stories? Like a bomb going off perhaps?

"there is an FDNY official nearby checkin' the sewers because there was smoke comin' out"

That footage was caught because documentary filmmakers from another country were filming. The FDNY official you speak of is just a regular firefighter. Stop filling in the blanks with your conspiracy crap. The "smoke" you speak of is this funny stuff called steam, this happens on September mornings in big cities...and don't quote me on this but I think that documentary was on NYC security measures and they were demonstrating what they do to secure such a big city during such events like parades and New Years Day.

So explosions caused the buildings to collapse, but there was also one plane with a missile on it and one "regular" plane that crashed, but that had no missile. And even though the buildings collapsed on top of themselves, it was bombs in the basement that caused the collapse....even though much of the shell of the bottom floors was still intact. Make up your fucking mind already. You are singlehandedly demolishing your own theories by illogical nonsense.

Do women even know when they are being illogical? I think not.


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Huggasaurus Sex
09-14-2008, 02:55 PM
ok youtube brown

SKAMPOE
09-14-2008, 07:39 PM
wu tang knocked the buildings down with the baseline on that cream instrumental...

DR. NICK RIVIERA
09-15-2008, 03:56 AM
yeah, it came from the past cuz it was ahead of it's time

RzaRectum
09-15-2008, 05:42 AM
I dont agree with this. I work with torches all the time n i work n buidlings all the time. It doesn't make sense. u have to be able to keep a steady temperature in order to heat metal and keep the heat on the metal for a bit...so it has to be EXTREMELY hot. desk n chairs is not enough when u got air from outside to drop the heat temperature. that has to even still be some serious heat tho because all beams and ceilings have fire proofing on it. so it had to be really really hot n i dont think that jet could make enough heat to expand the steel.

also u couldn't possibly melt the steel its true. it wasn't the steel itself that melt but the bolts the fell out when the metal expanded.

also im intrigued about the other buildings how the hell did they fall? nothing touched em?? and the towers fell on top itself it didn't topple over...interesting....:nerdy:
LOL, this is the dumbest post i've read in the whole discussion.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you can post some links that demonstrate how bolts can fall out of steel on as many as 3 buildings. go.

KERZO
09-15-2008, 06:58 AM
you cant say your a true twin towers enthusiast until you get one of these tats -

http://bp2.blogger.com/_2VHuhWv--38/R-2FphSFXxI/AAAAAAAAAJg/-ABKOnrBtY4/s400/tattoo.jpg

firewood_for_hell
09-17-2008, 09:27 PM
Emergency coordinator and 9/11 witness Barry Jennings has passed away with controversy about WTC7 still hot– as the BBC hit piece and NIST report have been released to counter Jennings’ exclusive testimony of explosions inside Building 7
Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com/)
September 16, 2008
UPDATED SEPT 17 4:05 PM CST: NYC Housing Authority (http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/home/home.shtml) spokesman Howard Marder has now officially confirmed that Barry Jennings indeed passed away approximately a month ago after several days in the hospital, matching confirmations from several other employees at the Housing Authority. Marder commented that Jennings was a great man, well liked by everyone at the Housing Authority, and that he would be missed. No other details were available.
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Barry Jennings– now dead at 53– details his eyewitness account while trapped inside WTC7 on 9/11 in a 2007 interview. Jennings told reporters on the day of 9/11, as well as Loose Change cameras in 2007, that he heard repeated explosions inside the building before either Tower 1 or Tower 2 collapsed and testified that he was "stepping over dead bodies" while exiting the ‘blown-out’ lobby to WTC7.
http://truthnews.us/images/onepixel.gif Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, has passed away at age 53 from circumstances not yet disclosed.
A spokesperson for the Housing Authority has now confirmed his death, after weeks of rumors circulating online, but refused to give any further details. Several other individuals at the Housing Authority also confirmed that they knew Barry Jennings, and that indeed he had passed away about a month ago. No other details were available.
This office has not yet been able to contact anyone in the Jennings family and the official cause of death is not yet known, but online comments have reported (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI) the date of death as August 19, 2008.
It is very unusual that a prominent — and controversial– 9/11 witness would die only days before the release of NIST’s report on WTC7 (http://www.infowars.com/?p=4114) and shortly after a firestorm erupted over his testimony that he heard explosions inside the building prior to collapse of either tower and that there were dead bodies in the building’s blown-out lobby.
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The BBC aired The Third Tower (http://www.infowars.com/?p=3175) in July in attempt to debunk Barry Jennings’ account– which is both contradictory and damaging to the official 9/11 story– by making issue over whether or not he said he “saw” dead bodies in the lobby.
Yet Jennings own statement in an exclusive interview with Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas– which has not been denied– was: “The fire fighter who took us down kept saying, ‘Don’t look down.’ And I said, ‘Why.’ And we were stepping over people– you know, you can feel when you’re stepping over people.”
Now the release of Jason Bermas’ Fabled Enemies (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/enemies.html) is giving further exposure to Jennings’ controversial account. The film features a full interview with Barry Jennings, as well as the statements he and Michael Hess, who was also trapped with him inside WTC7, made to news media on the day of the attacks.
Barry Jennings reiterated in the exclusive interview his confusion over the explanation for WTC7’s collapse– given that he clearly heard explosions inside the building:
“I’m just confused about one thing, and one thing only– why World Trade Center 7 went down in the first place. I’m very confused about that. I know what I heard– I heard explosions. The explanation I got was it was the fuel-oil tank. I’m an old boiler guy– if it was a fuel-oil tank, it would have been one side of the building.”
That interview was not released until June 2008 at the request of Mr. Jennings, who had received numerous threats to his job and asked that it be left out of Loose Change: Final Cut (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/lochficut.html) because of those threats.
Jennings statements have lit fire to questions about what really caused the sudden collapse of WTC7 just as NIST had hoped the release of their report would quash widespread beliefs that the building was brought down by controlled demolition.
News of Jennings’ death comes on the heels of losing another 9/11 hero and eyewitness– Kenny Johannemann, who reportedly committed suicide 12 days before the seventh anniversary of 9/11 (http://www.infowars.com/?p=4349). Johannemann is credited with saving at least one man’s life on 9/11 and was also a witness to explosions in the towers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agie5QUw7ks).
NIST’s report (http://www.infowars.com/?p=4114), as well as that of the 9/11 Commission (which did not even mention WTC7), completely ignored statements from the building leaseholder Larry Silverstein (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/050106silversteinanswers.htm) as well as numerous police, fire fighters and other eyewitnesses who have testified (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/090207broughtdown.htm) that they were warned about the building’s collapse and told to get back. One rescue worker even heard a countdown (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/130907_demolition_countdown.htm) for the building’s implosion.
Unfortunately, Barry Jennings, whose testimony was ignored by the 9/11 Commission, can no longer raise questions personally about his experience inside WTC7, but his account will remain on the record and available in-full on the Fabled Enemies DVD (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/enemies.html) so that what he witnessed about 9/11 cannot be ignored.
The truth about WTC7 will come out, and Barry Jennings’ testimony will not be in vain.
Please contact aaron@infowars.com if you have any information about the circumstances of Barry’s death or any other reports. We extend our condolences to any family or friends reading this for their loss.

Huggasaurus Sex
09-17-2008, 11:48 PM
Developer Larry Silverstein is probably sleeping better: Yesterday, seven insurance companies agreed to pay $2 billion in payments, which brings the total insurance payout to $4.55 billion and allows all the constructions projects to move forward with what Governor Eliot Spitzer called "certainty." He also said, "It permits access to the capital markets, it resolves and eliminates one of the outstanding hurdles that had remained and it brings to closure years of litigation."

Apparently the "largest single insurance settlement ever undertaken by the industry," the payout was $130 million less than a court ruled Silverstein was entitled too.
http://gothamist.com/2007/05/24/world_trade_cen_5.php



so multiple publicly owned insurance companies were defrauded for the single largest insurance settlement ever without a peep from claims investigators, members of the BOD, or shareholders?

stop it...

SKAMPOE
09-18-2008, 12:15 AM
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