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11-07-2008, 08:45 PM
---An 8-year-boy is accused of fatally shooting his father and another man in eastern Arizona.
St. Johns Police Chief Roy Melnick says the boy is charged with two counts of premeditated murder after the shootings Wednesday.
Killed were the boy's father, 29-year-old Vincent Romero, and 39-year-old Timothy Romans.
Melnick says police arrived at a home shortly after the shooting and found one victim just outside the front door. The other was found in an upstairs room.
Melnick says the boy initially denied involvement but later confessed.
St. Johns is a community of about 4,000 people more than 150 miles northeast of Phoenix.
11-09-2008, 02:15 AM
what a bunch of a weird rednecks..
---Dad had taught boy, 8, to use guns
ST. JOHNS, Ariz. – A man who police believe was shot and killed by his 8-year-old son had consulted a Roman Catholic priest about whether the boy should handle guns and had taught him how to use a rifle, the clergyman said Saturday.
The father, Vincent Romero, 29, was from a family of avid hunters and wanted to make sure the boy wasn't afraid of guns, said the Very Rev. John Paul Sauter of St. Johns Catholic Church. The boy's stepmother had suggested he have a BB gun, the priest said.
Romero taught his son how to use a rifle to kill prairie dogs, Sauter said. Police say the boy used a .22-caliber rifle Wednesday to kill his father and another man, Timothy Romans, 39, of San Carlos.
The priest did not say how he advised the couple but said Saturday that the boy "was just too young."
"That child, I don't think he knows what he did, and it was brutal," Sauter said.
The boy, who faces two counts of premeditated murder, did not act on the spur of the moment, St. Johns Police Chief Roy Melnick said. Police are looking into whether he might have been abused.
"I'm not accusing anybody of anything at this point," he said Saturday. "But we're certainly going to look at the abuse part of this. He's 8 years old. He just doesn't decide one day that he's going to shoot his father and shoot his father's friend for no reason. Something led up to this."
The boy's father and stepmother had gotten married in September, said Sauter, who presided over the wedding.
Romero had full custody of the child. The boy's mother had visited St. Johns from Mississippi the previous weekend and returned to Arizona after the shootings, said Apache County Attorney Brad Carlyon.
On Friday, a judge ordered a psychological evaluation of the boy. Under Arizona law, charges can be filed against anyone 8 or older.
The boy had no record of complaints with Arizona Child Protective Services, Carlyon said.
"He had no record of any kind, not even a disciplinary record at school," he said. "He has never been in trouble before."
In a sign of the emotional and legal complexities of the case, police are pushing to have the boy tried as an adult even as they investigate possible abuse, Melnick said. If convicted as a minor, the boy could be sent to juvenile detention until he turns 18.
"We're going to use every avenue of the law that's available to us, but we're also looking at the human side," he said.
The boy's lawyer, Benjamin Brewer, said his client is generally in good spirits.
"He's scared," he said. "He's trying to be tough, but he's scared."
Police are also investigating whether there were any domestic violence calls to the Romero home in the past, Melnick said.
Officers arrived at Romero's home within minutes of the shooting Wednesday in St. Johns, which has a population of about 4,000 and is 170 miles northeast of Phoenix. They found one victim just outside the front door and the other dead in an upstairs room.
Romans had been renting a room at the Romero house, prosecutors said. Both men were employees of a construction company working at a power plant near St. Johns.
The boy went to a neighbor's house and said he "believed that his father was dead," Carlyon said.
Melnick said police got a confession, but Brewer said police overreached in questioning the boy without representation from a parent or attorney and did not advise him of his rights.
FBI statistics show instances of children younger than 11 committing homicides are very rare. According to recent FBI supplementary homicide reports, there were at least three such cases each year in 2003, 2004 and 2005; there were at least 15 in 2002. More recent statistics weren't available, nor were details of the cases.
11-12-2008, 02:56 AM
-2nd man allegedy killed by boy called doting dad
------ A man allegedly shot to death by an 8-year-old boy closely followed his daughters' sporting events and texted loving messages to his family while he lived apart from them for a construction job, his wife said Tuesday.
Tanya Romans said her husband, Timothy, worked a construction job in St. Johns for about a year while his family lived 170 miles away in metropolitan Phoenix. She and their 18- and 19-year-old daughters lived in metro Phoenix to be closer to college.
"He loved my girls dearly," Tanya Romans said.
Timothy Romans had coached his daughters' baseball teams and was familiar with the coaches and players on their basketball teams.
He lived with at a co-worker's home in St. Johns during the week, but Tanya Romans said her husband returned on weekends and sent his love through calls and text messages regularly.
"I can't imagine myself being without my husband," Tanya Romans said. "He would always call me even though he worked far away."
She declined to discuss the investigation into her husband's death.
Romans, 39, and co-worker Vincent Romero, were killed last week at Romero's home, where Romans had rented a room.
Police said Romero's 8-year-old son planned and methodically carried out the killings, and confessed. Authorities wouldn't discuss specifics of the confession or his possible motive.
The third-grader has been charged as a juvenile with two counts of murder.
A gag order has been imposed on the boy's attorney and others involved in the case, but the attorney previously has claimed police questioned the child without representation from a parent or attorney and didn't advise him of his rights.
11-18-2008, 10:33 PM
ST. JOHNS, Ariz. – An 8-year-old boy accused in the shooting deaths of his father and another man told police he did not fire the first shots at the men but later shot them so they wouldn't suffer. But near the end of an hourlong video of his interview with authorities, the boy admits to the slayings in St. Johns, burying his head in his jacket.
Apache County authorities released the video Tuesday.
The boy has been charged in juvenile court with two counts of murder in the deaths of his father, Vincent Romero, and a man who was renting a room in their home, Timothy Romans.
A defense attorney has said police overreached in their questioning of the boy, who was not represented by a family member or lawyer during the interview.
food for thought
11-18-2008, 10:35 PM
**tumbleweed rolls by quietly**
11-18-2008, 10:37 PM
Tumbleweed rolls by the whole 'News Article' section in here everyday. But I keep plugging away, cause I like tumbleweed.
food for thought
11-18-2008, 10:38 PM
lol it actually does
11-18-2008, 10:49 PM
thats really fucked up
food for thought
11-18-2008, 10:56 PM
^ do u ever watch the news or wat? lol
11-19-2008, 10:35 PM
i'd rather be killed
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