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TSA
11-20-2008, 11:47 AM
a lot of people don't, and i don't either.

I went to an art gallery and I've realized something, abstract art has completely killed art, the credibility of the medium, and how seriously people take it cause its become a joke.

there was a wad of paper balls against a wall for $250

$250

then a rainbow stick figure for $125

sure they're expressing themselves but art has become so introverted and self centered that nobody can take it seriously and the artist themselves dismiss the fact that their piece sucks with 'its a personal expression'.

sure its a personal expression, but it doesn't have to suck. Its a really selfish i like the smell of my on fart mentality, there's no reason you should put something that can't be rated by the public at a public display

if you wanna express yourself or make art for the sake of saying it's art then do it at home and keep it there.

or everything is open to interpretation. If anyone can see it how they want then are you the artist or is the individual viewing it the artist and your just a nigga rolling up paper balls.

i predict the next great artist will lead a massive conservative shift away from the fart smelling and arrogant abstract bullshit that has made artists look like a joke profession.

Guarded By Martyrs
11-20-2008, 12:06 PM
To answer the question : yes I do.

But I completly agree with what your saying.

INF
11-20-2008, 12:07 PM
Boy , you better take that shit serious. Its so serious that I should even say "that shit".


Just what the last supper is alone is enough to love art forever and ever.



get right.

TSA
11-20-2008, 12:12 PM
yeah, but the last supper was made before the paper balls in a trash can $250 phenomia.

i think there needs to be and probably will be a shift back to shit like the last supper.
Artists need to start focusing on skill again not expressing your gayhood. I've always thought it was about the skill by which you express yourself not the expressing yourself to be expressed, cause then you can just write blogs

i only felt safe making this thread now that C.R.U.S.T the abstract poetic is gone.

Guarded By Martyrs
11-20-2008, 12:14 PM
As an Artist myself, I only work with paper/canvas
And it's much less likely that this type of format is gonna ruffle feathers
Unlike the majority of what your speaking of
"Sculpture" or actual objects in a set space
I personally think this is not art...and if it is...it's shit.
Anything my little cousin could do without doing it on purpose is not art in my opinion.

I remember I saw a chair, with paint dripping off it, frozen in time
I can't remember how much it was going for...but along the lines of what you mentioned
It has become a joke...regarding that area of the subject.
How these people can call themselves "Artists" is beyond me.

I've always thought that Art should make your jaw drop
You are struck by it, and think to yourself :

"Wow Thats Amazing...I Couldn't Do That"

But as you have eluded to...now apparently you can.

Good thread

Mr. X
11-20-2008, 12:16 PM
Painting has fallen hard, they've been reduced to wall filler.

INF
11-20-2008, 12:20 PM
I've always thought that Art should make your jaw drop
You are struck by it, and think to yourself :

"Wow Thats Amazing...I Couldn't Do That"




Reppin time. :Y

Visionz
11-20-2008, 12:22 PM
yeah, but the last supper was made before the paper balls in a trash can $250 phenomia.

i think there needs to be and probably will be a shift back to shit like the last supper.
Artists need to start focusing on skill again not expressing your gayhood. I've always thought it was about the skill by which you express yourself not the expressing yourself to be expressed, cause then you can just write blogs

i only felt safe making this thread now that C.R.U.S.T the abstract poetic is gone.
Yeah but Dali was still alive in the 1990's so the last master to have graced this planet was breathing not very long ago at all so art isn't dead and on the real if you looking at pieces that only cost $250 you looking at some amateur shit and therefore at an amateur museum. Here in Austin, the Blanton has got some amazing pieces, one is an abstract piece where it looks like the guys subconscious has been spilled across about 15-20 feet of wall space. Stuff like that is amazing to look at you just need to expand past the Nebraskan version of art is my best guess at a solution.

INF
11-20-2008, 12:26 PM
the Blanton huh?


I got to go to Austin to record at some point. Maybe late December , early January. I wanna see the Blanton if its dope.

Edgar Erebus
11-20-2008, 12:28 PM
Actually, that shift back to conservative has been going on for quite a time now. Visual arts are a bit behind, but in literature it's present since early 80's. Basically what's "hot" now is traditional realistic structure with complex background and obscure references - basically book versions of Tarantino flicks. Art is still stuck in the abstract (like literature was in the 70's), but like TSA said, change is inevitable, cause that shit ain't even provoking anymore. It's just irrelevant.

Visionz
11-20-2008, 12:45 PM
the Blanton huh?


I got to go to Austin to record at some point. Maybe late December , early January. I wanna see the Blanton if its dope.
its on UT campus, parking at 15th and MLK, very large, very dope, cost about $5-$10 bucks to get in

Art Vandelay
11-20-2008, 01:03 PM
a lot of people don't, and i don't either.

I went to an art gallery and I've realized something, abstract art has completely killed art, the credibility of the medium, and how seriously people take it cause its become a joke.

there was a wad of paper balls against a wall for $250

$250

then a rainbow stick figure for $125

sure they're expressing themselves but art has become so introverted and self centered that nobody can take it seriously and the artist themselves dismiss the fact that their piece sucks with 'its a personal expression'.

sure its a personal expression, but it doesn't have to suck. Its a really selfish i like the smell of my on fart mentality, there's no reason you should put something that can't be rated by the public at a public display

if you wanna express yourself or make art for the sake of saying it's art then do it at home and keep it there.

or everything is open to interpretation. If anyone can see it how they want then are you the artist or is the individual viewing it the artist and your just a nigga rolling up paper balls.

i predict the next great artist will lead a massive conservative shift away from the fart smelling and arrogant abstract bullshit that has made artists look like a joke profession.


^^

takes art vandelay seriously

TSA
11-20-2008, 03:06 PM
I just dont get how a dot on paper is art and graffitti isn't considered art, or it's considered 'urban art' or some other word that alludes to 'eh kinda'

the state of painting is in shambles.

Hey artists, here's a piece i had in mind that i dont wanna do cause im not an artist.
find a REALLy REALLY REALLY thick girl, like MPHFFF...PHICK. Dress her up like a postitute. Paint a very realistic city back drop. Dump gold paint on her head, and have her stand still by the city backdrop with the price of $1846. She has to be extremely slutty looking.

IrOnMaN
11-20-2008, 03:10 PM
I love art. As a matter of fact, I was going to major in art. Unfortunately, there's no money in it. I'm a very good sketch artist, though.

HANZO
11-20-2008, 04:26 PM
art is bullshit to me. you get some stupid things that can be called art. maybe i dnt understand the concept of art. maybe studying engineering has killed off my creative side.

SKANK HILL
11-20-2008, 04:42 PM
haha i thought this was going to be about art vandelay ...

i don't understand art ... people who are hell into art from my experiences seem like the kind of people who like black canvas paintings with the word WHITE written in white paint and when i say that's not art they tell me i don't understand art because i'm not in an artists frame of mind ...

fuck those kind of artists ...

and too many people think they're artists because they can draw a circle ... i hate those kind of people

HANZO
11-20-2008, 05:01 PM
exactly, most art ppl are either emo or hippy. the real dangerous ones are the combination of the 2.

Art Vandelay
11-20-2008, 05:04 PM
haha i thought this was going to be about art vandelay ...

i don't understand art ... people who are hell into art from my experiences seem like the kind of people who like black canvas paintings with the word WHITE written in white paint and when i say that's not art they tell me i don't understand art because i'm not in an artists frame of mind ...

fuck those kind of artists ...

and too many people think they're artists because they can draw a circle ... i hate those kind of people



i'm on TSA's mind so much, that all he thinks about is art

Koolish
11-20-2008, 05:08 PM
simpson's described it perfectly:

weird for the sake of weird

Longbongcilvaringz
11-20-2008, 05:43 PM
Shit art has been around forever...

KERZO
11-20-2008, 05:51 PM
a lot of people don't, and i don't either.

I went to an art gallery and I've realized something, abstract art has completely killed art, the credibility of the medium, and how seriously people take it cause its become a joke.

there was a wad of paper balls against a wall for $250

$250

then a rainbow stick figure for $125

sure they're expressing themselves but art has become so introverted and self centered that nobody can take it seriously and the artist themselves dismiss the fact that their piece sucks with 'its a personal expression'.

sure its a personal expression, but it doesn't have to suck. Its a really selfish i like the smell of my on fart mentality, there's no reason you should put something that can't be rated by the public at a public display

if you wanna express yourself or make art for the sake of saying it's art then do it at home and keep it there.

or everything is open to interpretation. If anyone can see it how they want then are you the artist or is the individual viewing it the artist and your just a nigga rolling up paper balls.

i predict the next great artist will lead a massive conservative shift away from the fart smelling and arrogant abstract bullshit that has made artists look like a joke profession.

much like music..you get art for artists and art for posers...i thought you were more of the poser type derrick!

RzaRectum
11-20-2008, 07:54 PM
i'm on TSA's mind so much, that all he thinks about is art
Yea, I noticed how he is always following you around the board and posting image commentaries.

I think he even has a photo of you in his signature line.


http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/image.php?u=34332&type=sigpic&dateline=1227224873

TSA
11-20-2008, 08:04 PM
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/image.php?u=34332&type=sigpic&dateline=1227224873
AHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

THIS NIGGA IS FOR REAL! AHAHAhahahaHAHHHAHahAHH!!1

SKANK HILL
11-20-2008, 08:14 PM
so how come a naked photograph of a woman in a magazine is pornography but the same photo in an art gallery is art?

we had a story here not long ago where some "artist" took naked photographs of a 12 year old and tried to put them on display ... sorry but that is not art

artists are like those greenpeace fuckwits who cross the thin morale line so they get exposure and can be basque in controversy and pretend they're superior to the rest of the community because they're on the news for doing something dumb when in reality a mere pasta salad could go to university and get an art degree .... that's why these people get art degrees because they can't do anything else

Tyler Durden
11-20-2008, 08:21 PM
I seriously thought this thread was about Vanderlay, who has a seriouse TSA unfetish.

But yeah, I think art should be priced on the amount of (real) time someone has put into the piece itself

RzaRectum
11-20-2008, 08:22 PM
so how come a naked photograph of a woman in a magazine is pornography but the same photo in an art gallery is art?

we had a story here not long ago where some "artist" took naked photographs of a 12 year old and tried to put them on display ... sorry but that is not art

artists are like those greenpeace fuckwits who cross the thin morale line so they get exposure and can be basque in controversy and pretend they're superior to the rest of the community because they're on the news for doing something dumb when in reality a mere pasta salad could go to university and get an art degree .... that's why these people get art degrees because they can't do anything else

There this one "artist" who pissed in a cup with a cross in it and used it at an art exhibit. I think it was Andres Serrano. It stirred up quite a controversy.

RzaRectum
11-20-2008, 08:24 PM
stirred up.. lol

TSA
11-20-2008, 08:24 PM
i dont think artist are those green pece fuckwits but the fuckwits have fully hijacked art and turned it into and arrogant liberal extreme.

they really think that because you think a dot on paper sucks that your ignorant and don't know any better cause your not on their 'level of thinkng'

faggot, how about you paint the sistine chapel nigga
fuckin last supper
real art, not no faggot bullshit

porn is just as artistic as crumpled paper on a wall cause they both have 0 artistic value, only porn takes skill

SKANK HILL
11-20-2008, 08:30 PM
There this one "artist" who pissed in a cup with a cross in it and used it at an art exhibit. I think it was Andres Serrano. It stirred up quite a controversy.

HAHA nice pun ... but that is exactly the thing i'm talking about ... maybe next time i go to a mexican restaurant i'll take a photo of my trip to the toilet and whack a $1,000,000 price tag on the photo

have any of you guys been to an art gallery where you can buy things? or have you watched an auction on tv? FMD it seriously seems like the dumber it is the more money it goes for because it's "abstract" ...

i walk past the video shop every day and the colouring in contests they have from the local primary school are better than the shit i saw on some auction on tv the other day

i dont think artist are those green pece fuckwits but the fuckwits have fully hijacked art and turned it into and arrogant liberal extreme.

i just meant it as a comparison between peaceful protesters with genuine concerns and those greenpeace dickheads who want nothing more than 5 minutes of fame

but yeah i hate it how they say you're ignorant and you don't understand art ... i don't understand art? ... it's a fucking dot on a canvas what's to understand?

Mr. X
11-20-2008, 08:35 PM
You don't understand man. That dot represent the freedom man. The white is oppression and monotone of life and society and that dot, THAT DOT, that dot is like different y'know and fighting the oppression and montone of society and life. It dares to be different.

You wouldn't understand cause you're one of them man. You're stuck in your society and rules man.

/art hippy

Dokuro
11-20-2008, 08:46 PM
i take art sirosly

http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/09/01/suri_cruise_poop.jpg

SKANK HILL
11-20-2008, 08:48 PM
that's a fucking monster shit for a baby ...

TSA
11-20-2008, 08:51 PM
maybe its a symbol of the monster sized hurting in the world yerning to be released

Dokuro
11-20-2008, 08:58 PM
reamember whe i had song of the week and then video of the week and folowd by book of the week well i just notice TSA sig and i think i hate him more know

SKANK HILL
11-20-2008, 08:58 PM
the poop itself represents opression because it's been bronzed and is in captivity taken away from it's natural habitant ...

Prolifical ENG
11-20-2008, 08:58 PM
Artists need to start focusing on skill again not expressing your gayhood. I've always thought it was about the skill by which you express yourself not the expressing yourself to be expressed, cause then you can just write blogs

hahahahahaha

art is bullshit to me. you get some stupid things that can be called art. maybe i dnt understand the concept of art. maybe studying engineering has killed off my creative side.

Engineers should be one of the best at art. When I took engineering, before we used autocad or before they would teach us it...we had to get the drawing boards with the t-squares, compasses and shit and sand paper those 2H pencils down sharp and draw our lines .1, .3, or .5 mm thick exactly while twirling the pencil so the line isnt thicker at the end. Get your drafting skills together. \

Design is art....if you cant design an attractive car body or even a coffee lid with your artistic ability...you're screwed.....but I know what you mean...the amount of dynamical thinking getting invloved in this and learning it...it takes a lot longer to learn.

Mr. X
11-20-2008, 08:58 PM
No it's definitely a piece of shit bronzed and mounted.

Prolifical ENG
11-20-2008, 08:59 PM
I enjoy practicing my calligraphy skills from time to time...but spitballs or whatver....come on....I think i had the most respect for watercolors and pastel artists.

Mr. X
11-20-2008, 09:03 PM
Sculptures are very badass. Donatello's works are just unreal.

JerseyIronman
11-20-2008, 09:06 PM
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1924/bobateasel5hz.jpg

Art went down hill when Bob Ross passed away...

Bob Ross, the real boss.

Longbongcilvaringz
11-20-2008, 09:13 PM
http://www.artnewyorkcity.com/wp-content/uploads/LAFFOLEY_ORGONE_MOTOR.jpg
http://www.miqel.com/images_1/myspace/laffoley/sm/laffoley-details-art-paul.jpg
http://www.laffoleyarchive.com/image-laffoley-paul/laffoley_mid_rez/kali-yuga_laffoley_art.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s26/Sasafrash/Laffoley1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/karenciavo/laffoley_paradiso_1975_xl.jpg
http://www.laffoleyarchive.com/image-laffoley-paul/dante_divine_comedy/laffoley_purgatorio_d2l.jpg
http://www.laffoleyarchive.com/image-laffoley-paul/robur_1968/i-robur_lafoley_full.jpg

TSA
11-20-2008, 09:16 PM
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1924/bobateasel5hz.jpg
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhaHAHH!1


I was gonna do a report on him but my instructor looked at me like i was a douche, then i saw her art

40x wacker then Bob Ross taking a piss on a pot.

Bob Ross got the golden silk string

JerseyIronman
11-20-2008, 09:28 PM
Bob Ross was duh realness. Especially when painting a happy little tree in Viridian Green, or giving a lonely cloud some company by painting another cloud beside it with bit of Titanium white.

the silencer
11-20-2008, 09:30 PM
i agree with pretty much everything you're sayin about modern abstract art and all that silly kind shit..

BUT

i think think you're view of the actual word ART is off...it ain't just about paintings and shit you see in galleries (and if u strictly look at it that way, then keep in mind what Unseen said on the first page).....

but MUSIC is art.....matter fact, by many accounts (most importantly the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche in Birth of Tragedy) MUSIC IS THE GREATEST ART FORM...


so what i'm sayin is, in case you don't look at it like that already, start to see the artistic beauty of this poetry-over-melodic-music that we're all on here talkin about aka HIP HOP...



PS: for other sick ass interpretations of what ART is check out James Joyce "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" sometime, the character in that book spits some bugged out deep shit about what is 'proper' and 'improper' art..



PPS:
just cuz there's some lame galleries postin amateur 'abstract' turds disguised as art don't mean VISUAL art is lacking in this current world yo...

RzaRectum
11-20-2008, 10:47 PM
what ch'u think of this piece? ;)

http://www.beersteak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/lil-kim-virgin-mary-david-lachapelle.jpg

EAGLE EYE
11-20-2008, 11:26 PM
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1924/bobateasel5hz.jpg
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhaHAHH!1


I was gonna do a report on him but my instructor looked at me like i was a douche, then i saw her art

40x wacker then Bob Ross taking a piss on a pot.

Bob Ross got the golden silk string


Take photos with your camera phone and show us so we can laugh at her art.

TSA
11-21-2008, 12:23 AM
LOL the thing i upload it with is fucked up, but i'll consider it

she's a supreme DYKE short hair, dyke phyzzeek and me and this hilarious bosnian guy had our theories then we went to her gallery and all she did was sculpt fat hoes as pots lol

Art Vandelay
11-21-2008, 12:30 AM
^^

http://www.geocities.com/enigmalair/virgin_logo.jpg

RzaRectum
11-21-2008, 12:38 AM
This was posted before. The angel cherubs are cut out photos of ass shots from magazines fluttering about the black "holy virgin mary". The titty is made of elephant shit as are the two pieces at the bottom with the wording "virgin" and "mary".

Dude's heritage is that of Nigeria. This art is relevant to the thread in many ways.
I'm sure its not exactly hard to know why.

http://www.maround.com/mablog/tyler_askew/1996%20The%20Holy%20Virgin%20Mary.200.jpg

TSA
11-21-2008, 12:57 AM
idk what he's trying to convey but it sucks

Art Vandelay
11-21-2008, 01:00 AM
^^

http://www.geocities.com/enigmalair/virgin_logo.jpg

Longbongcilvaringz
11-21-2008, 01:03 AM
Art this gimmick is really starting to grow on me.

Yeah, it is lame.

But it's a real Costanza move.

The magnitude of it is starting to make it genuinely amusing to me.

11th Chamber
11-21-2008, 01:06 AM
Art is doing a fine job as replacing Skampoe in his absence

Art Vandelay
11-21-2008, 01:07 AM
that's a big shirt to fill

TSA
11-21-2008, 10:37 AM
Art is doing a fine job as replacing Skampoe in his absence
wow. take that shit back.
how can you deface the niggas that told me i dont "pose a frett"

Art Vandelay
11-21-2008, 10:55 AM
^^

http://raztar.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/virgin_logo180x180.293143348_std.jpg

Durag
11-21-2008, 11:05 AM
I dont really understand or appreciate art at all. Am i stupid? Maybe, but im happy!

Longbongcilvaringz
11-21-2008, 11:17 AM
Ha, i hate how people attach some kind of intellectual aspect to having an opinion on whether something looks good or not.

If it looks good to you, it is good art.

It's subjective.

Snobs in all categories can't comprehend this, whether it be art, music or whatever else.

I hate faggits like that.

"Oh, man, you have to read Tolstoy, like, his work, is so meaningful, for me, and stuff, and i can't believe people like, read stuff post 1960, i mean, like, i'm so meaningful"

Fuck i hate these people.

RzaRectum
11-21-2008, 11:23 AM
idk what he's trying to convey but it sucks
The artist was born and raised in London as a Catholic, but his parents were from Nigeria. This art is representational of his upbringing with the polarity of two different cultures to draw from.

This art allows him to integrate both cultures in one expression.
It too stirred up a lot of shit.

Longbongcilvaringz
11-21-2008, 11:24 AM
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5601/185276780ww9rv9.jpg

Durag
11-21-2008, 11:26 AM
Ha, i hate how people attach some kind of intellectual aspect to having an opinion on whether something looks good or not.

If it looks good to you, it is good art.

It's subjective.

Snobs in all categories can't comprehend this, whether it be art, music or whatever else.

I hate faggits like that.

"Oh, man, you have to read Tolstoy, like, his work, is so meaningful, for me, and stuff, and i can't believe people like, read stuff post 1960, i mean, like, i'm so meaningful"

Fuck i hate these people.




I dont think ive ever had a conversation like that, thank fuck.

That sounds like something a D4 (people from Dublin 4, the richest part of Dublin, are called d4's) person would say, and fuck me i hate them. Whats worse is wannabe D4's from other parts of the country who put on that accent. Faggots.

RzaRectum
11-21-2008, 11:27 AM
The subject sitting at the chaise lounger across the pool is COMPLETELY out of focus. She accidentally shot her own boobs instead.

Art Vandelay
11-21-2008, 11:29 AM
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5601/185276780ww9rv9.jpg

i hate fake boobs

Longbongcilvaringz
11-21-2008, 11:46 AM
All valid observations.

She speaks spanish also.

RzaRectum
11-21-2008, 11:48 AM
All valid observations.

She speaks spanish also.

Ooooooh!!!! Blackula's gonna be MAD!

TSA
11-21-2008, 11:51 AM
The artist was born and raised in London as a Catholic, but his parents were from Nigeria. This art is representational of his upbringing with the polarity of two different cultures to draw from.

This art allows him to integrate both cultures in one expression.
It too stirred up a lot of shit.
didnt you say the breasts were elephant dung or somthing, ill go check but is that a nigerian or catholic or attention whore thing?

TSA
11-21-2008, 11:53 AM
LMAO at all the asses AHAHAHahaaahAHAHHAH!!!!!1!!111

Longbongcilvaringz
11-21-2008, 11:54 AM
I don't know, Catholics do a lot of weird perverted shit though.

TSA
11-21-2008, 01:41 PM
yes.

http://cache.brandreachsys.com/thumbs/webdate/pg/static/r_webdate_155x155_58.jpg (http://fe.brandreachsys.com/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=6724__zoneid=387__cb=b 96cf8f901__maxdest=http://thumb.brandreachsys.com/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=8133__zoneid=359__cb=b 96cf8f901__maxdest=http://www.webdate.com/4/?s=f&id=wdmyspace&cmp=myspace_430x600_ROS&fl=1&fid=wdmyspace&ad_id=fe_387_adwithlogo)

Art Vandelay
11-21-2008, 01:59 PM
^^

http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/brands/0000/3577/brand.gif

Art Vandelay
11-21-2008, 02:02 PM
I don't know, Catholics do a lot of weird perverted shit though.




http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2003/07/09/image562454x.jpg