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dawood
11-26-2008, 09:59 AM
I have some theories. I am going to write about them and you can all deside if there is any truth to what Im sayin although Im not exactly qualified in these fiedls so this is speculation based on the history Ive read and studied.

The next war is already brewing. There are three major political powers. Islam. Democracy. Socialism. The major socialist countries are china and russia. The major Democratic countries are USA, Europe and Japan. The major Islamic area's are north africa and the middle east.

Democrats cant wage war on another nation because its in direct contradiction with the principles they claim to stand for so they do things on the sly. They have trained al queda to fight against communist russia, they have provided weapons for iran while backing iraq in teh gulf war. They have invaded viewtnam to try and stop the spread of communism. They fucked with Israel and put a Jewish state smack bang in the middle of Islamic Mainland.

The major fcator in modern war fare is the WMD's that the democrats and socialists have but the islamic countries dont. Especially Nuclear weaponry. This will play a major influence along with the other types of modern warfare. They had no problems invading iraq and afghanistan and used a fight on terror as the excuse but it would appear to be for otyher ends. They even took their time intervening in bosnia where muslims were teh victims to some horrendous crimes against humanity.

I believe USA will continue to push the boundries and look for conquest but they will have to do it the name of democracy and dress it as a moral crusade (as has always been the case) but I believe they will continue to push for a completely democratic world.

Russia and China have stregnthened relations so I believe they will back each other. Japan is basically americas bitch after WW2.

Islam will continue to grow but the rest of teh world will continue to try and put a stop to it and continue to slyly try and get islamic peoples to fight each other or get someone else to do their dirty work in some other way.

This is all my own oppinion so please dont come bitchin bout how I got somethign wrong coz I know Im no expert, this is just speculative but Id be interested in hearing all your predictions for the next major political situations and how the future will be shaped.

I also think democrats will realise the huge problem with their society. Not only are people becoming more and more anarchaic due to the "freedoms" they enjoy, but we are consuming teh worlds resources at a phenominal rate and capitalism will destroy the planet. Mark my words.

dawood
11-26-2008, 11:01 AM
I just came accross this link which may also be further evidence to back up what Im saying http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1227616318956&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

Prince Rai
11-26-2008, 01:13 PM
i mean essentially you gave a summed up explanation of how you see the main power divides in the world and i trust you have conducted the right research.

The "democracy" of the West is alomost certainly enforced onto others especially in Muslim countries where inherently, democracy will not suffice to establish "peace". The socialist/communist powers in the world do set their faces against the West, but to some degree give in to the "capitalist" world i.e. China.

This shows that there is more than just "democracy" that defines the West. Capitalism plays a vital role, and capitalism also exists in Muslims countries.

I feel the tension and frustration, I believe the sections are divided more into social classes and to a certain degree political affiliations and faiths.

If a war were to begin, it would most likely be underpinned by the sad fact that the more powerful force (The West), would want their way of life to be implanted every where to create one worldly order.

The opposition will face the heat.

But we shall see, this topic is controversial and can easily get out of hand with lack of understanding and intolerance.

Peace Dawood...

TSA
11-26-2008, 01:25 PM
If it doesn't involve israel then it won't be a world war

plus tthe world wars were world wars cause the participants had direct administrative control over the rest of the world, now that colonialism has ended the ability to have a WORLD war is gone cause countries have different interests and most will stay out

David Columbine
11-26-2008, 01:32 PM
If it doesn't involve israel then it won't be a world war

plus tthe world wars were world wars cause the participants had direct administrative control over the rest of the world, now that colonialism has ended the ability to have a WORLD war is gone cause countries have different interests and most will stay out

Utter nonsense.

drippie k
11-26-2008, 03:12 PM
who exactly would it be faught against?? would it be a three-way war inbetween democratic countries, communist countries and fascist middle eastern countries with isreal getting butt-fucked by everyone?? will north korea side with china, russia and arm cuba?? do you think anything will be fought on american soil??? will france surrender ahead of time??

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
11-26-2008, 06:06 PM
That is a very simplified view of the world situation you have there.

Don't get me wrong, I really hope that the New World Order will take over, but that is not the logical path of events.

The power and influence of the United States will wane, for better or worse, and the scope of power and balance of responsibility will shift.

The idea that a world war is inevitable is very negative and would seem unlikely to me.

The United States, as a country, regardless of whom you think controls it, IS STILL ESSENTIALLY controlled by its people, who have FINALLY, realized that our country needs to follow a different path to achieve success.

I know it is trendy to be negative, paranoid, and believe in conspiracies here in KTL, but sorry.

As more countries become powerful and look out for their own interests, the likelihood of a World War decreases, as there are so many individual interests for a country to pursue, that most are not going to participate in a war.

China and the Untied States need each other.

It is sad that people like rednecks and the threadstarter think that it is necessary for us to be enemies.

I think that people in their forum really WANT things to be fucked up so that it can prove some sort of giant conspiracy theory.

However, world wars would all prevented if we had one world government and a wise group of overseers looking out for the best interests of people who were too stupid or didn't have the faculties to look out for their own interests.

Damn, a New World Order of some kind would be awesome!

Who's with me?

TSA
11-26-2008, 06:27 PM
LOl at 'utternonsense'

but Duh commiz vs duh americanz wasnt?


anyways, irondan is right. World War will never happen because the world is a pot of 100s of self interesting countries as opposed to 8 or 9 countries and 100s of colonies that didn't have a choice.

also, it's a pretty well accepted priniciple that wars of conquest a economically, politically, and culturally useless, outdated, and impractical.

WWI and WWII were mainly wars of conquest and empire, two notions that are vitually dead.

China isn't gonna fight the US, without the US china will collapse and vis versa, this also goes the the US and the middle east.

the end of colonialism has also reformated economic relations. before 1 imperial country only really needed its self and its colonies to survive economically and could therefore benefit from the destruction of another imperial country. In todays world all countries are deeply interlocked in economic relations. Atleast the ones that matter the most.


plus there's the nuclear deterrant. You're not gonna attack someone with nuclear capability, even if you have it too and are able to defeat them. This is why im ok with Iran getting nukes, it'll do more to prevent isreali aggression towards islamic countries.


its like in Nigeria, the only people that get robbed are the ones that dont have a gun when crime gets high (which isn't common but happens). Even if the robbers have guns.

David Columbine
11-26-2008, 06:36 PM
LOl at 'utternonsense'

but Duh commiz vs duh americanz wasnt?


anyways, irondan is right. World War will never happen because the world is a pot of 100s of self interesting countries as opposed to 8 or 9 countries and 100s of colonies that didn't have a choice.

also, it's a pretty well accepted priniciple that wars of conquest a economically, politically, and culturally useless, outdated, and impractical.

WWI and WWII were mainly wars of conquest and empire, two notions that are vitually dead.

China isn't gonna fight the US, without the US china will collapse and vis versa, this also goes the the US and the middle east.

the end of colonialism has also reformated economic relations. before 1 imperial country only really needed its self and its colonies to survive economically and could therefore benefit from the destruction of another imperial country. In todays world all countries are deeply interlocked in economic relations. Atleast the ones that matter the most.


plus there's the nuclear deterrant. You're not gonna attack someone with nuclear capability, even if you have it too and are able to defeat them. This is why im ok with Iran getting nukes, it'll do more to prevent isreali aggression towards islamic countries.


its like in Nigeria, the only people that get robbed are the ones that dont have a gun when crime gets high (which isn't common but happens). Even if the robbers have guns.

I am not saying a possible third world war is nonsense, just your post.

TSA
11-26-2008, 06:38 PM
you were more effective as Palehorse

David Columbine
11-26-2008, 06:40 PM
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Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2008, 06:42 PM
This notion that the United States wants to conquer the whole world is not accurate. If anything, the U.S. has always shyed away from anything like that.

After WWII, Western Europe wanted and pleaded for a largeAmerican presence for fear of Russian takeover and another German retaliation.

Western Europe has only recently recovered its identity.

The Chinese are getting rich off the US, and in some ways the US is getting poorer because of opening trade with China. thanks Nixon altho it wasnt all on him.


For all the shit the liberal cocksuckers on this forum give America for its 'imperialism' and all that shit and than they put Russia and China and the Muslim world in this view like they are more humane in the way they act currently. Please.

That card has been played entirely too much, people who still use it are starting to lose their credibility.
Its like when moscow is applauding and in a way mocking the US for its situation with blacks and Native Americans.
Throwin stones from a glass house.

I suppose thats how they feel about the U.S.

TSA
11-26-2008, 06:47 PM
yeah, russia muslims and china are scumbags, all the shit immortal technique talks about the US doing cause faint clues and hints with no basis they are actually doing in the full blown open and theres yet to be an immortal technique song about muslim arab slavery of africans in Niger

Olive Oil Goombah
11-26-2008, 06:56 PM
Right....these people aren't protesting anything in particular. They are just doing it cuz they need to protest something. The 60's was different. Those types were still around, but logical intellectual people started to realize the problem and thats why shit got done.

Most of these people are hippocrites anyway.

I'm not a big O'Reilly fan, but on his show he question, after that gay marriage ban proposition passed in Cali, why the people were protesting at the white church when the voting results show that black uniformly voted the ban down.

WHy not protest the black church???

Because its not PC to do that. Because they are cowards.

I'm not saying all liberal's are wrong, hell we need them. But these types of people, these professional protesters who travel the country protesting shit. They are worthless.

TSA
11-26-2008, 07:04 PM
yeah. can you please change you sig, the bitch in the middle is too wack for words

but yeah, there's fags that always have to act like they're victims and they're helping the world.
they didn't protest black churches cause they'd get their asses beat

what if that was the mentality during the civil rights movement? when REAL people made REAL differences

Im all for protesting the churchs they did, even though it does nothing, but they should have protested EVERY church that encouraged homophobia not just the safe ones

drippie k
11-27-2008, 12:45 AM
i think a NWO or something similar wil be around by the time were all grumpy old men..WWIII, while possible, might never happen and sure hope it doesn't...i think people outside of the US see the US as "imperialists" because, shit, anywhere you go you see american products..theres KFC in China for God's sake...there are numerous American military bases throughout the world..in places like Japan, Germany, Italy, Spain, Iceland, South Korea, Philippines, Honduras, Greenland, Cuba...and the only foreign military base in the US is for the German military who sends their jet pilots there to train with American Soldiers....not to mention various US camps and troops set up through out the world in middle of conflicts...American news is presented on foreign news channels EVERY DAY...all the movies in foreign theaters are American...American music is played frequently on foreign radio stations...they show NBA games on TV all the time in foreign countries...Europe even has its own NFL league...lets face it, our presence is pretty much EVERYWHERE...Burger King, Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell, KFC, McDonalds, Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Oreos, Chips Ahoy..all American products and theyre sold in almost every country in the world

dawood
11-27-2008, 09:29 AM
I for one will never conform to the New World Order invisioned by the US. I dont drink cocoa Cola or eat KFC or Mc Donalds so that point doesn't apply to me but think you need to look at the amount the US imports from abroad.

I believe when we have one world order it will be Islam. And I believe it will be peace on earth and everyone will be happy. The capitalist machine will very soon fail as all the pointless crap you talk of (cocoa cola etc) will soon run out of resources. The capitalist society bleeds the world dry. You are going to run out of oil for onething (not to mention all your oil comes from abroad) and there are many other factors. But either way, I believe war is inevitable. Who knows what the fae of warefare will be like.

I suspect it will be like the cold war, lots of proxy wars and espionage etc. I think most people have whats coming to them though because people are very selfish in this day and age. Like think of the people who think "If i want to drink I will" and then they get in there car and run over some 4 year old kid. Your system cannot last...

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
11-27-2008, 09:38 AM
I for one will never conform to the New World Order invisioned by the US. I dont drink cocoa Cola or eat KFC or Mc Donalds so that point doesn't apply to me but think you need to look at the amount the US imports from abroad.

I believe when we have one world order it will be Islam. And I believe it will be peace on earth and everyone will be happy. The capitalist machine will very soon fail as all the pointless crap you talk of (cocoa cola etc) will soon run out of resources. The capitalist society bleeds the world dry. You are going to run out of oil for onething (not to mention all your oil comes from abroad) and there are many other factors. But either way, I believe war is inevitable. Who knows what the fae of warefare will be like.

I suspect it will be like the cold war, lots of proxy wars and espionage etc. I think most people have whats coming to them though because people are very selfish in this day and age. Like think of the people who think "If i want to drink I will" and then they get in there car and run over some 4 year old kid. Your system cannot last...

So, you hate innovation? What country do you live in?

So americans run over four-year-old kids when they get drunk and fundamentalist Islamics splash acid on a 4-year-old girl for going to school? You're right, that is much better.

Saying that everyone would be happy under a Muslim new world order is just as ignorant as saying that everyone would be happy under a US New World Order.

I don't eat McDonalds either. Nobody is forced to eat McDonalds. It is a company. It is not inherently evil.

Are you angry that the World loves US products?

America is full of Asian products. Is Asia evil, too?

Capitalism will have to change and adapt. Besides, america has never been purely capitalistic, anyway.

Every system out there is flawed.

All signs point to those systems adapting and homogenizing, not because of a New World Order, but because of necessity.

It is easy to blindly judge everything that is different, but it is in no way productive.

dawood
11-27-2008, 09:45 AM
"What country are your from"

England; UK

Before you ask Im native english white man


As for your comment regarding splashing acid on 4 year old girls faces, this was the taliban. The taliban are the scourge of Islam. They are ignorant idiots. Islam teaches that women MUST go out and seek knowledge. What they do has nothing to do with Islamic Ideology and cannot discredit the ability for Islam to induce balance and peace in the world. I thouroughly believe Islam is the way forwards for the world. But I accept that I will never convince people of this, Id like to, for other peoples own good but only if they chose to listen of their own free will. As I know they wont I let the world swivel in its own shit while I reap the rewards of following islamic sharia to the letter

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
11-27-2008, 09:57 AM
"What country are your from"

England; UK

Before you ask Im native english white man


As for your comment regarding splashing acid on 4 year old girls faces, this was the taliban. The taliban are the scourge of Islam. They are ignorant idiots. Islam teaches that women MUST go out and seek knowledge. What they do has nothing to do with Islamic Ideology and cannot discredit the ability for Islam to induce balance and peace in the world. I thouroughly believe Islam is the way forwards for the world. But I accept that I will never convince people of this, Id like to, for other peoples own good but only if they chose to listen of their own free will. As I know they wont I let the world swivel in its own shit while I reap the rewards of following islamic sharia to the letter

I have nothing against Islam, or any other religion, in essence.

Fundamentalists at every level seem to cause problems, Christianity, Judaism, Islam. Fundamentalism, in its essence tends to breed conflict and closed-mindedness.

When people embrace any religion, if it makes them happy, causes them to be kind, to help others, and gives their life meaning, then I am all for it.

BUt you already have these grandiose ideas about how evil America is. That is ridiculous, to talk about any country being evil, but especially America.

America is the most diverse country on the planet, and is made up of many different peoples. And whether people believe it or not, America is still esentially governed by its people. Some of them are Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Goth Kid, whatever. I'm sure some of them are 'evil'.

But if America is a microcosm of what the world is going to be, then good. A diverse group of people getting along and working together towards common goals, rewarding hard work and sacrifice, and taking care of those who can't care for themselves doesn't sound so bad to me.

dawood
11-27-2008, 11:03 AM
you dotn get it. If teh whole world was like america, the worlds resources would very soon disappear. You need to look at amount of electricity used by america in comparison to the rest of teh world. You need to look at the cultures emmerging, binge drinking, drugs, divorce, you need to look at why third world countries are lik ethey are. The reaosn you get your clothes so cheap is coz some kids workin for like 5p an hour in India to make it. People do not understand the world they live in.

Now I never treat any individual badly based on tehir beliefs and I treat americans with love and respect teh same as anyone else but you all need to have a good hard look at the world and ask yourself, is the world really ok??? I would suggest no it isn't. There is much wrong with the world. I believe Islam will solve those problems. What extremists do has nothing to do with it, I am talking about real Islam. If america is so good, what they doin interfering with Israel? Why have they provided weapons to allow Israel invade palestine. The world media is so quick to bad mouth muslims all the time, do any of you know the atrocities committed by zionists in an attempt to command and conquer. They are forever trying to expand their borders. How many of yo know about the imprisonment of gaza? A lot of horrible shit has happened to palestinians and now your all surprised when Islam fights back??? The media has a hideous habbit of distorting events and your all mugs to believe what you read

Olive Oil Goombah
11-27-2008, 11:35 AM
I for one will never conform to the New World Order invisioned by the US. I dont drink cocoa Cola or eat KFC or Mc Donalds so that point doesn't apply to me but think you need to look at the amount the US imports from abroad.

I believe when we have one world order it will be Islam. And I believe it will be peace on earth and everyone will be happy.


LMAO...peace on Earth thru Islam. Islam was spread by the sword and by conquerers. Mohammed himself was one.





America is full of Asian products. Is Asia evil, too?



Right....good luck finding a product that isn't stamped 'made in china'. Dawood has no idea.

"What country are your from"

England; UK

Before you ask Im native english white man


As for your comment regarding splashing acid on 4 year old girls faces, this was the taliban. The taliban are the scourge of Islam. They are ignorant idiots. Islam teaches that women MUST go out and seek knowledge. What they do has nothing to do with Islamic Ideology and cannot discredit the ability for Islam to induce balance and peace in the world. I thouroughly believe Islam is the way forwards for the world. But I accept that I will never convince people of this, Id like to, for other peoples own good but only if they chose to listen of their own free will. As I know they wont I let the world swivel in its own shit while I reap the rewards of following islamic sharia to the letter

So its ok to generalize Americans but its not okay to generalize Muslims?? You hippcracy is seeping thru my computer screen.



But if America is a microcosm of what the world is going to be, then good. A diverse group of people getting along and working together towards common goals, rewarding hard work and sacrifice, and taking care of those who can't care for themselves doesn't sound so bad to me.

This is the truth. ANd we dont claim it to be perfect. He just sounds like an angry liberal Muslim. He should be angry at the Terrorists who kill in the name of Allah instead of the people the want to kill.

you dotn get it. If teh whole world was like america, the worlds resources would very soon disappear. You need to look at amount of electricity used by america in comparison to the rest of teh world. You need to look at the cultures emmerging, binge drinking, drugs, divorce, you need to look at why third world countries are lik ethey are. The reaosn you get your clothes so cheap is coz some kids workin for like 5p an hour in India to make it. People do not understand the world they live in.

Now I never treat any individual badly based on tehir beliefs and I treat americans with love and respect teh same as anyone else but you all need to have a good hard look at the world and ask yourself, is the world really ok??? I would suggest no it isn't. There is much wrong with the world. I believe Islam will solve those problems. What extremists do has nothing to do with it, I am talking about real Islam. If america is so good, what they doin interfering with Israel? Why have they provided weapons to allow Israel invade palestine. The world media is so quick to bad mouth muslims all the time, do any of you know the atrocities committed by zionists in an attempt to command and conquer. They are forever trying to expand their borders. How many of yo know about the imprisonment of gaza? A lot of horrible shit has happened to palestinians and now your all surprised when Islam fights back??? The media has a hideous habbit of distorting events and your all mugs to believe what you read

LOL....its like you are on some religious crusade here. You sound like a Puritan. And might i remind you that Puritans were some of the most discrimminatory people of their times. Its like its either YOUR way or the highway.

You blame everything on everyone else. Capitalism is evil. If you dont want KFC, Taco Bell, DONT BUY IT.
People buy it cuz they like the product. If the chicken didnt taste good theywouldnt eat it.

You can talk about real Islam all you want. Than I'll just counter with the 'real America' and we can't be held responsibe for greedy companies or certain foreign policy.
But thats a cop out. Take responsibility for what Muslims do and preach.


As far as Indians in sweat shops. Trust me, AMericans would rather have those jobs here so we could have more jobs and make more money. We don't like outsourcing.

But had we kept the jobs here, you would probably be saying how greedy we are and how we need to spread the wealth and jobs globally.

Your exactly what im referring to when I say a liberal with no coherent agenda. You are fueled by a hatred or a jealousy of American. You feel personally offended cuz your a Muslim. Well, there are plenty of Muslims who live here in peace and make money off of the AMerican system.

So just stop whining and blaiming America for all the worlds problems.

dawood
11-27-2008, 11:56 AM
"LMAO...peace on Earth thru Islam. Islam was spread by the sword and by conquerers. Mohammed himself was one"

How Islam was established doesn't really matter given that it was established over 1500 years ago, Islam works better than the current system in england and america. Wait and see what shit you end up with. America bleeds the world dry of resources. Islam teaches much better principles that can help the worlds condition. If people choose not to be muslim thats up to them but I will always back and supoprt an islamic government because the problems caused by alcohol will be gone, the wasteful nature of the west will be gone, the culture of selling your body for money will be gone. Loads of the western problems will be gone.

"Right....good luck finding a product that isn't stamped 'made in china'. Dawood has no idea"

someone else was sayin that most shit comes from america and america is some awesome country that will rule the world and I made the point that a lot fo stuff comes from abroad and is exported to USA so what your on about there i dont know but your obviously more concerned with tryin to prove me wrong based on this posts and learnin or debating is clearly not your objective

"So its ok to generalize Americans but its not okay to generalize Muslims?? You hippcracy is seeping thru my computer screen"

terrorism is committed by extremists. The majority of muslims are not extremists.

Drink driving offences are committed by average everyday americans as are many alcohol rekated incidence. these problems cannot be be quarintined within a small group of muslims, the bullshit attitudes that are destroyin the planet are within the system itself, not within some small faction of america.

"This is the truth. ANd we dont claim it to be perfect. He just sounds like an angry liberal Muslim. He should be angry at the Terrorists who kill in the name of Allah instead of the people the want to kill"

I am angry at anyone who commits murder if they are the aggressor. But the west are the aggressors. You dont understand this because western media is your main source of information.

cant be fucked to reply to the rest of yoru shit coz its just personal comments made at me and have nothing to do with the world political situation but if you think they oculd afford to pay americans minimum wage to produce the ammount of clothes made in india? America likes to represent the fat cat CEO's while letting some small thrid world country do teh hard work. Its no different than slave labour, but then I guess america knows all about this

Olive Oil Goombah
11-27-2008, 12:10 PM
"How Islam was established doesn't really matter given that it was established over 1500 years ago, Islam works better than the current system in england and america. Wait and see what shit you end up with. America bleeds the world dry of resources. Islam teaches much better principles that can help the worlds condition. If people choose not to be muslim thats up to them but I will always back and supoprt an islamic government because the problems caused by alcohol will be gone, the wasteful nature of the west will be gone, the culture of selling your body for money will be gone. Loads of the western problems will be gone."

Better principles huh? the enslavement of women. The enslavement of free thought or free speech. Just look at the places in the world with the most turmoil. Its the fundamentalist Islamic countries and they are filled with the most hate.
LOL....drinking and prostitution will magically all be cured, it will be a utopian society just as Marx proclaimed for communism!!!
Get a grip man. FOr real.

"someone else was sayin that most shit comes from america and america is some awesome country that will rule the world and I made the point that a lot fo stuff comes from abroad and is exported to USA so what your on about there i dont know but your obviously more concerned with tryin to prove me wrong based on this posts and learnin or debating is clearly not your objective"

I was merely stating that most products Americans buy are made in china or somewhere abroad. I am proving you wrong because YOU ARE WRONG. As much as we export, we import just as much pumping money into other countries economies. What they do to their workers is truthfully on them, but it gets blamed on America.

"terrorism is committed by extremists. The majority of muslims are not extremists.

Drink driving offences are committed by average everyday americans as are many alcohol rekated incidence. these problems cannot be be quarintined within a small group of muslims, the bullshit attitudes that are destroyin the planet are within the system itself, not within some small faction of america."

Faulty generalizations after bad analogy. In your 'religion' alchohol is 'evil'....ok, fine. Mormons believe that shit too, so do the Amish. To say the average america has been arrest for DUI is laughable.
Back it up with some statistics if your so sure about it.

"I am angry at anyone who commits murder if they are the aggressor. But the west are the aggressors. You dont understand this because western media is your main source of information."

The aggressor huh? I don't recall any american forces in Afghanistan before two skyscrapers tumbled.
The western media probably has more liberal stations than it does conservative. We have free speech here and many people exercise it.

To bad we can be more like that utopian muslim society you dream of where they outlaw anything they don't like and suppress certain freedoms that aren't in line with their beliefs.
Muslims can come to Western schools, start businesses in the West, worship in the West and get rich off the West.
I'm doubting it could happen the other way around.

your a joke

YoungLewis
11-27-2008, 04:11 PM
the next world war will either be Islam fighting the West, which i would not like to take part in as im a non practicing muslim and a westerner
or
Russia will start another cold war which will probably turn violent, with China's involvment

either way i reckon WW3 is a long way off...

Prince Rai
11-27-2008, 04:25 PM
the next world war will either be Islam fighting the West, which i would not like to take part in as im a non practicing muslim and a westerner
or
Russia will start another cold war which will probably turn violent, with China's involvment

either way i reckon WW3 is a long way off...

based on what studies?

How can "Islam" fight the "West"

Who is Islam lol, and remember, many devotees to Islam also live in the West and can be classified as Westerners.

Civilison
11-27-2008, 04:45 PM
yo ppl
theres a lot foul shit going on right now. we can theorize for years on what we think can happen time will only tell. its true the world is controlled by an elite few freemansons, illuminatists, zionists and jewish and monarchs. these ppl have been holding the worlds riches since the early industrial era. i agree the IMF the Federal Banks and other financial istitutions are at the root of it all since our economy revolves around the dynamics of the evil dollar. it is well known the US is in major debt all this should/could potentially somehow crash. as far as china, russia and the middle eastern world keep in mind anything could happen. the US always had enemies. its pointless to speculate and waste time instead get out there research get knowledge of self and strenghten/save self. thats whats good out there right now. if we empower our spiritual self we can rise above the madness and take this shit to a whole new level. all the knowledge that all these so called secret societies have been holding for hundreds of years is availbale to us if we're just willing to stay sharp and study. true wordz. thats how we can elevate above the snake and his plan.
PEACE

THE MASON
11-27-2008, 04:45 PM
this is my theory

china just hosted the olympics, in 1936 Germany hosted them,during this time Germany ws also occupying countries such as the Czechoslovakia, China was occupying Tibet at the time of there olympics.

As history tends to repeat it self you can the comparison. China has also been having political conflict with Russia over them (Russia) moving back into former Soviet Union countries, these countries acted as a buffer between the two nations. China has already stated before that the eastern coat of Russia will sooner ot later be part of China.

My thoughts are that the olympics are used as a way to distract people from the true dealings. Much like how the Germans did, and we all know the story behind them, imo the Chinese will start the next world war

HANZO
11-27-2008, 04:52 PM
well if the United States of Islam led by Caliph Muhammed the 43rd decides to go to war with the west, i will most likely fight for the United States of Islam. and continue to spread our policy by sword.

i remember the day when i was converted to islam, some guy threatened to bomb my house and cut my head off.

I was ordered to bring the severed heads of 40 infidels to the Ayatollah. thus my conversion was complete.

*and WW3 wont happen because for a war of this magnitude to occur another country must have the lust for land, and an army big and strong enough to mount a proper invasion. this invasion must be on a relevent country though. highly unlikely, because most relevent countries are allies. and the others ones are far to big to invade. whoever attempts it would get a backhand from Sun Tzu. *

David Columbine
11-27-2008, 05:34 PM
well if the United States of Islam led by Caliph Muhammed the 43rd decides to go to war with the west, i will most likely fight for the United States of Islam. and continue to spread our policy by sword.

i remember the day when i was converted to islam, some guy threatened to bomb my house and cut my head off.

I was ordered to bring the severed heads of 40 infidels to the Ayatollah. thus my conversion was complete.

*and WW3 wont happen because for a war of this magnitude to occur another country must have the lust for land, and an army big and strong enough to mount a proper invasion. this invasion must be on a relevent country though. highly unlikely, because most relevent countries are allies. and the others ones are far to big to invade. whoever attempts it would get a backhand from Sun Tzu. *

Beside that feeble attempt at humor, you do know religion is a man-made form of conditioning and control right?

HANZO
11-27-2008, 05:53 PM
Beside that feeble attempt at humor, you do know religion is a man-made form of conditioning and control right?

are you seriously suggesting that ppl may use religion as a means to control the masses?

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
11-27-2008, 05:56 PM
are you seriously suggesting that ppl may use religion as a means to control the masses?

He is on a higher plane than us, Han.

David Columbine
11-27-2008, 06:22 PM
are you seriously suggesting that ppl may use religion as a means to control the masses?

The question is, can you prove otherwise?

drippie k
11-27-2008, 06:26 PM
you know, dawood?? that technically ALL religions preach peace and happiness just as much as islam...there are extremists everywhere on all sides...it just so happens that some are crazier than others

Olive Oil Goombah
11-27-2008, 08:27 PM
no its jus that some countries and groups of people have evolved past basing all of their political decisions off of their religion.

Any time a state is controlled by a religious group its dangerous because religions really aren't tolerant of other religions because all religions must be 'the way'.

But really there aren't any true the theocracy's out there. Not even Iran is a true theocracy.

TSA
11-27-2008, 09:27 PM
that's naive considering that the majority of the 20th centuries EPIC legacy of killing has been based on and done in the name secularism and science and the 4 greatest killers of all time were athetist


People blame religion for things because they hate that fact that humanbeings are weak and savage after reviewing the facts and ignore the fact that a religion is put in place to prevent or slow down or end the sickness and savageness that humanbeings are too weak too let go of.

outside of the crusades, which was more about land then god, i really can't think of a religion caused major conflict


the israel thing isn't religion, it was white people and politics, and if jews and arabs had the same religion (which islam says they do) they would be fighting over the fact that one is called jews and one is calls arab, or blue and red gas station rags


i would rather a state controlled by a religious group (Bhutan) then a state controlled by the opposite (Soviet Russia)

Olive Oil Goombah
11-27-2008, 09:35 PM
thats very recent history tho.

but evolving doesnt necessarily mean no more wars. And i never really even said that. I just said they grew out of that God controls the state shit, and its for the better.

there will always be fighting.

I mean you could call the Japs of WWII a religion controled country cuz the emporer was thought to be divinity.

Either way it dont matter. its just the way it is.

TSA
11-27-2008, 09:57 PM
its does matter. and its not recent history. Every major war has started with people wanting things they dont have from people that have them, history and now, a principle preached against by every religion

its really like a guy dying of syphilis, then you give him medicine, and he stays sick dies anyways, and everyone decides the medicine killed him and made him sick for the period after taking the medicine


worst off, he didn't even take the medicine, dude just fuckin died and everyone blames the medicine.

TSA
11-27-2008, 09:59 PM
also the queen of england was also believed to have divine right, but what did religion have to do with the opium wars?

David Columbine
11-28-2008, 06:03 AM
that's naive considering that the majority of the 20th centuries EPIC legacy of killing has been based on and done in the name secularism and science and the 4 greatest killers of all time were athetist


People blame religion for things because they hate that fact that humanbeings are weak and savage after reviewing the facts and ignore the fact that a religion is put in place to prevent or slow down or end the sickness and savageness that humanbeings are too weak too let go of.

outside of the crusades, which was more about land then god, i really can't think of a religion caused major conflict


the israel thing isn't religion, it was white people and politics, and if jews and arabs had the same religion (which islam says they do) they would be fighting over the fact that one is called jews and one is calls arab, or blue and red gas station rags


i would rather a state controlled by a religious group (Bhutan) then a state controlled by the opposite (Soviet Russia)

Your gods have been at the forefront of war and bloodshed throughout history, whatever you have to say countering that fact is irrelevant.

Dont try and sound intelligent, it sounds forced.

Visionz
11-28-2008, 06:50 AM
WWIII is quite a ways off IF it ever happens


inter-connected economic relationships make it very hard to harm anyone without harming yourself in the process, just take a look at the economic conditions of the US since the invasion of Iraq. We're (USA) borrowing money from China to fight that war. China wouldn't have that money in the first place if US companies weren't outsourcing their production and furthermore even if they owned the companys (China) They wouldn't have anyone to sale products to if we stopped buying their shit. Their own rising middle class suggest that in due time they won't need our consumption to support themselves but that's probably a good ways down the road before its a realistic expectation.


And even if China for some reason decided to try and conquor us do they not expect to be nuked down to a lunar landscape? What benefit is it to them when we're the reason for the ascension their country has taken over the last 20-30 years?

We should be more concerned with a topic that has been brought up in this thread and that is the cost and the over-all detriment to the planet of a globally-rising middle class. While such a phenomena is to the benefit on any one individual, its going to place a huge burden on the planet itself. Dwindling resources, rising polution. These are issues that need to be addressed immediately. The good thing is that we got the right president in office and I believe Obama is going to get things back on track. In the end only time will tell.

sarr
11-28-2008, 06:52 AM
I believe when we have one world order it will be Islam.

OH MAN, i had to stop right there...i was reading every post until i saw this. This actually makes me cringe...i dont hate muslims, but a world order run by Islam would be the WORST THING EVER! i mean it would be terrible.
im sorry...but ive read some of the Quran and the hadith...and islamic law should NOT be imposed on any nation, nor should any religion. So if my wife is rebellious i can beat her? because a world order run by Islam would let all men do this...domestic violence would rise like a mutha. uumm, what else? so those that wanted to become aetheist or not practise or leave Islam would be killed.

on a side note, You converts are all alike, you cant just quietly find peace with your religion, you have to push it abit too far. Like i said earlier...you didnt need to convert, you needed councelling or something because your life and family was in shambles and converting was your way of escaping your shitty life...most converts are in similar circumstances. Its a phsycological thing.

Visionz
11-28-2008, 07:06 AM
OH MAN, i had to stop right there...i was reading every post until i saw this. This actually makes me cringe...i dont hate muslims, but a world order run by Islam would be the WORST THING EVER! i mean it would be terrible.
im sorry...but ive read some of the Quran and the hadith...and islamic law should NOT be imposed on any nation, nor should any religion. So if my wife is rebellious i can beat her? because a world order run by Islam would let all men do this...domestic violence would rise like a mutha. uumm, what else? so those that wanted to become aetheist or not practise or leave Islam would be killed.

on a side note, You converts are all alike, you cant just quietly find peace with your religion, you have to push it abit too far. Like i said earlier...you didnt need to convert, you needed councelling or something because your life and family was in shambles and converting was your way of escaping your shitty life...most converts are in similar circumstances. Its a phsycological thing.great, back on your fucking soapbox huh?

this ain't the thread for that shit and his motivations for saying that are pointing to larger issues than religion itself (which I addressed in my last post in this thread)

Either stay reasonably on topic or stfu..............or do you like being engaged in the same exact conversation over and over again for absolutely no reason at all?

don't address this post as it'd just be the continued derailment of this thread

just heed the words and keep it moving

sarr
11-28-2008, 07:13 AM
Dawood ive continued to read...your an idiot.

Islam has all these great principles...just like the USA and communism does. But what happens is..after a while..people being people, start to manipulate the system for their own good. While the USA might PREACH all these great vaues it contains...certain higher ups take advantage. The same happens in Islamic parts of the world...like in Saudie Arabia, where the elites live like Kings but the poorer people live like dogs (ive had Saudi exchange students tell me this). Now, for the elites...this is a sin in Islam, but they dont care...they do it anyway. The elites (many of them) drink alcohol, eat whatever they want, fuck women...because they are powerful and they can.

All religions are great in concept..dont you think the concept of Christianity is amazing too? im not talking about whether or not its real...but the concept of "thou shall not kill" "turn the other cheek" "love thy neighbour" etc etc? these are great rules...but being people..if we lived in a world run by Christianity and its morales...it wont work...because people are gona break the rules...and then what? slowly...the Christian rulers are gona start using force to keep certain people in line...and by using force we are what? breaking the christian rule of "thou sall not kill" or "love thy neighbour".
The same would happen with Islam...people would start breaking its rules...there would be speak easys, underground gambling, illegal alcohol and bacon markets..and what wouldthe Islamic leaders do to keep this in check? kill those who break the rules.

IT DOESNT WORK. Religion running a country doesnt work..it doesnt. they bend the rules..

sarr
11-28-2008, 07:15 AM
great, back on your fucking soapbox huh?

this ain't the thread for that shit and his motivations for saying that are pointing to larger issues than religion itself (which I addressed in my last post in this thread)

Either stay reasonably on topic or stfu..............or do you like being engaged in the same exact conversation over and over again for absolutely no reason at all?

don't address this post as it'd just be the continued derailment of this thread

just heed the words and keep it moving

chill bud...yea i went a lil off track..back on though. ;)

Visionz
11-28-2008, 07:18 AM
chill bud...yea i went a lil off track..back on though. ;)right on :eggy:

dawood
11-28-2008, 11:35 AM
Yes I believe Christianity is a great religion and in my visoin of an islamic world, people would be ok to practice other rleigions with dhimmi (protected) status as long as they rspected the islamic rulers.

Thanks for calling me an idiot, that was a great contribution to teh thread.

Any rich saudi who does those things are not following islam. islam is to be charitable and kind. In this world I speak of that I would like to see, there would be horrible prisons for rule breakers and the death penalty for major rule breakers (peadophiles etc) and women beating would not be acceptable. Alcohol would be banned.

"During 2005, 16885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes"

-www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm

do the people who werent drinking not have rights too? When a five year old gets run over, is her right not MORE important than the ideology of "if I want to drink I should be able to"

Islam if implemented properly by a good leader would be the perfcet rule for man. He would be free to practice his own religion and only god would judge his choice, this si what is staited in the qu'ran. In fact, it is a huge misconception that islam was spread by the sword. When the first muslims invaded North Africa they let tehm keep their own rleigion. People CHOSE Islam.

Communism would be my second choice because again, impleneted by a good man with the right intentions it could work. Democracy and capitalism is my last chocie. Its sounds good but leaves teh world in a terrible state for many reasons.

THE MASON
11-28-2008, 11:56 AM
^ good point

religion and political ideologies are usuable only if the people and the leader actually believe in it.

the problem comes, is that those things that can make a strong culture and society also can be used to destroy one. when those ideas are forced upon people, they get frustrated and angry then lash out, starting civil wars.

religion is especially good at manipulating the will of people, for they instill a fear of a higher power, where in most holy books, the Creator is seen as a protecter and shows mercy. but under the use of wicked men it is easily turned into a propaganda utensil and this is seen many times in history and is still used today (suicide bombers dying to gain enterence into heaven).

im not a religious man, i am spiritual but i do not follow one text, it wouldnt be right, how can you say one religion is wrong and the other is right when they all are based one the same foundations.

TSA
11-28-2008, 01:04 PM
I think the strain on resources should be handled by finding alternatives and looking under the ocean as opposed to ...idk....space.

we haven't touched the vast majority of earth's surface, and if the tiny amount we have been to has held us down for this long then we should be fine in the future if we look under water and develop methods to drill further


on top of that, all of out current agricultural potential hasn't been untilized, that's why there's 3rd world countries. A place like Nebraska i would say has been utilized to the fullest agriculturally and is as productive as possible, but theres millions of acres of land in the world that nobody has or can do anything with so i don't think we're totally fucked in the future resource wise, things will just be expensiver then now.

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
11-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Yes I believe Christianity is a great religion and in my visoin of an islamic world, people would be ok to practice other rleigions with dhimmi (protected) status as long as they rspected the islamic rulers.

Thanks for calling me an idiot, that was a great contribution to teh thread.

Any rich saudi who does those things are not following islam. islam is to be charitable and kind. In this world I speak of that I would like to see, there would be horrible prisons for rule breakers and the death penalty for major rule breakers (peadophiles etc) and women beating would not be acceptable. Alcohol would be banned.

"During 2005, 16885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes"

-www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm

do the people who werent drinking not have rights too? When a five year old gets run over, is her right not MORE important than the ideology of "if I want to drink I should be able to"

Islam if implemented properly by a good leader would be the perfcet rule for man. He would be free to practice his own religion and only god would judge his choice, this si what is staited in the qu'ran. In fact, it is a huge misconception that islam was spread by the sword. When the first muslims invaded North Africa they let tehm keep their own rleigion. People CHOSE Islam.

Communism would be my second choice because again, impleneted by a good man with the right intentions it could work. Democracy and capitalism is my last chocie. Its sounds good but leaves teh world in a terrible state for many reasons.

If everybody followed any one ideology in its purest sense, then any ideology could be perfect and work great.

The reality is that that is impossible. People are different. Not all people are good and cooperative.

That is the nature of the world.

Really, the only hope is one world government, where the wisest and most powerful carefully manipulate everyone else so that they "think" they are happy, even though they are essentially pawns being controlled from a distance.

Since a utopia IS impossible, the best we can hope for is a New World Order, where the illusion of utopia is created.

Visionz
11-28-2008, 02:01 PM
I think the strain on resources should be handled by finding alternatives and looking under the ocean as opposed to ...idk....space.

we haven't touched the vast majority of earth's surface, and if the tiny amount we have been to has held us down for this long then we should be fine in the future if we look under water and develop methods to drill further


on top of that, all of out current agricultural potential hasn't been untilized, that's why there's 3rd world countries. A place like Nebraska i would say has been utilized to the fullest agriculturally and is as productive as possible, but theres millions of acres of land in the world that nobody has or can do anything with so i don't think we're totally fucked in the future resource wise, things will just be expensiver then now.
finding new sources for the things that will lead us down the same path isn't the answer though, the break throughs that we need will come in innovations through unexhaustable resources such as wind, solar, geothermal etc

Humans in general really need to work to become more in harmony with the world around us instead of raging against it.

sarr
11-28-2008, 03:11 PM
dawood your still missing the point

Most ideaologies/religions are 'perfect for mankind'...but mankind isnt perfect for religion/ideaologies. No matter what you implement...people are gona have free will, and they are gona break the rules or find ways to do it. Why do you think prostitution still exists in countries like Syria and Iran? its human nature that not everybody is gona play along...so if you imposed Islamic rule on the world (i shiver even typing that) it wont work...not cause islam cant handle it, but because people as a collective cant abide...

besides...im not from the US...but i like its way of life...im from a similar country, where we have choices and we can do whatever we like. Unlike you, i dont need set boundaries in my life...if i wana go out, get drunk..fuck random women..ill do it...if not, ill stay home. its MY CHOICE...i dont want to live in a world where every part of my life is dictated to.

And your quick to pick out the faults in the West..how bout in some muslim countries where converts to Christianity have to flee or face being stoned to death...women that are raped get killed...and they do these things in the name of religion. both sides have their faults...stop creating this dillusional muslim utopia inside your head, cause it doesnt exist buddy. Where theres people, theres error

ChristO
12-01-2008, 09:40 PM
If it doesn't involve israel then it won't be a world war

...trues. right...