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Edgar Erebus
01-04-2009, 08:19 PM
This one took me quite a lot to compile. I was listening to tons of materials recently, revisiting and analyzing influence and quality and reading other people's lists and opinions, and by a complex scoring method I'm way too lazy to describe here (it included critics' opinion, fan lists, my own input and more complications) I made the list.

Now, it's definitely not finished yet, I might kick some out or add new ones, but as it's now I'm satisfied enough to post it here.

Therefore:



50 GREATEST HIP-HOP PRODUCERS OF ALL TIME

1. DJ Premier
2. Dr. Dre
3. Pete Rock
4. Marley Marl
5. RZA
6. The Bomb Squad
7. Kanye West
8. Timbaland
9. Rick Rubin
10. Large Professor
11. J Dilla
12. The Neptunes
13. Prince Paul
14. Easy Mo Bee
15. Havoc
16. Erick Sermon
17. Diamond D
18. DJ Quik
19. Organized Noize
20. DJ Muggs
21. Da Beatminerz
22. Ski
23. The Beatnuts
24. Q-Tip
25. Just Blaze
26. The Alchemist
27. Madlib
28. Showbiz
29. The 45 King
30. Howie Tee
31. Lord Finesse
32. Swizz Beatz
33. Hi-Tek
34. Clark Kent
35. No I.D.
36. Trackmasters
37. ?uestlove
38. Kay Gee
39. Buckwild
40. Puff Daddy (& the Hitmen)
41. DJ Scratch
42. Mannie Fresh
43. Jermaine Dupri
44. Wyclef Jean
45. Salaam Remi
46. MF Doom
47. DJ Pooh
48. Dan the Automator
49. Teddy Riley
50. El-P



HONORABLE MENTIONS (a.k.a. those that deserve to be here but there ain't enough space):

* Andre 3000
* Ant Banks
* DJ Battlecat
* DJ Shadow
* E-Swift
* Hurby Luv Bug
* Jam Master Jay
* Minnesota
* N.O. Joe
* Scott Storch
* Stoupe




Comments, suggestions, questions, hate?

GZAjector
01-04-2009, 08:23 PM
no love for necro huh

SickT
01-04-2009, 08:28 PM
no love for necro huh

co-sign

Edgar Erebus
01-04-2009, 08:29 PM
Yes, no love for Necro. Next question?

SickT
01-04-2009, 08:34 PM
Yes, no love for Necro. Next question?

How is Timbaland better than Dilla?

GZAjector
01-04-2009, 08:38 PM
lol stoupe ain't even on this list. well, puff daddy is though, that's always good.

Edgar Erebus
01-04-2009, 08:39 PM
How is Timbaland better than Dilla?

Um, okay, this one is a bit complicated. First, Timbaland is way more prolific. Second, way more influential, nowadays every pop producer tries to copy Timbaland. Third, he basically innovated a whole new style of production - and is damn good at it, although he started to slip last few years. And last but not least, I just noticed that I can listen to exclusively Timbaland productions way longer than to exclusively Dilla productions.



lol stoupe ain't even on this list. well, puff daddy is though, that's always good.

AND the Hitmen, 'cause I know Diddy doesn't produce shit. That team was and is powerful. As for Stoupe, I forgot to add him to honorable mentions, edited.

SickT
01-04-2009, 08:43 PM
Um, okay, this one is a bit complicated. First, Timbaland is way more prolific. Second, way more influential, nowadays every pop producer tries to copy Timbaland. Third, he basically innovated a whole new style of production - and is damn good at it, although he started to slip last few years. And last but not least, I just noticed that I can listen to exclusively Timbaland productions way longer than to exclusively Dilla productions.

Aight, i respect that. Still don't think Timbo is even near to Dilla, but whatever.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-04-2009, 09:18 PM
Lol at this chickenlegged goonie goo goo bethal ass ngga putting RZA at 5.

Go suck some more of your mommas titties ya doodle headed shrimp cocktail pig orgasm.

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01-04-2009, 09:30 PM
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Did he just call me gay slavakian eurofag on his nuts or something?

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Did he just call me gay slavakian eurofag on his nuts or something?

actually he called you a "doodle headed shrimp cocktail pig orgasm"

Edgar Erebus
01-04-2009, 09:38 PM
Whoa, did he really write that?

He was prolly sitting half an hour in front of PC trying to come up with something new.

Mic Tyson
01-04-2009, 09:38 PM
u aint feelin el-p or 9th wonder?

SickT
01-04-2009, 09:39 PM
Whoa, did he really write that?



yes he did.

War and Peace
01-04-2009, 09:46 PM
decent list-

i agree with most of it-

to me,
kanye neptunes dj quik should be lower

rza madlib muggs should be higher

wheres 4th disciple?
9th Wonder?

but yo, decent list T-

props for the love you put into this sh-t

peace-

Guarded By Martyrs
01-04-2009, 09:50 PM
Surprised at Necro.

No Blue Sky Black Death ?

I know they don't have that much material considering
But everything they've dropped is ridiculous.

War and Peace
01-04-2009, 09:51 PM
bomb squad at 6-

good sh-t Slim T

they are def top 10, but you dont hear bout them too often

Edgar Erebus
01-04-2009, 09:53 PM
I was thinking about pushing 9th Wonder in, but competition was just too heavy. The main reason is that he ain't around long enough (as y'all see, there are no producers that debuted after 2000), so if he keeps making bangers, one day he could prolly get somewhere on.

4th Disciple is good, really good, but ain't made enough mark to get on the list.

As for El-P, I was never feeling him that much, and I didn't find enough other people holding him in such high esteem.



Otherwise, peace OTB, thanks for love.

Guarded By Martyrs
01-04-2009, 09:55 PM
Surprised at Necro.

No Blue Sky Black Death ?



(as y'all see, there are no producers that debuted after 2000)




Ok cool

whitey
01-04-2009, 10:08 PM
doom should be higher.

some good shite though chief.

JerseyIronman
01-04-2009, 10:40 PM
I thought Doom would of been higher.

Cant really argue with RZA being at no. 5 although hes my personal favorite.

War and Peace
01-04-2009, 10:57 PM
yo Slim-
again, nice list g-

respect from ya boy OTB-

but yo, 'scary hours' alone puts 4th disciple in the top fiddy-

and 'fifth disciple' on la the darkmans album is still unthinkable for another producer to eclipse-

plus 4th mashed out all killarmy albums, built bangers with killah priest-

demote some1 on ya list rite now, put the god in ya top fiddy yo-

h ha-
peace g-

main_man
01-04-2009, 11:27 PM
El-P needs to be on there, for real. Just stating a fact.

BIG D O
01-04-2009, 11:45 PM
Mark The 45 King at no. 30? LOL, hilarious......

wouldn't have put Premo at no. 1 either......he's top ten, but not no. 1......

Marley Marl is def. a top ten prod. of all time, props on gettin that right.....

I think Jermaine Dupri shouldn't be on this list......


Rick Rubin, The Neptunes, Timbaland and Havoc are all rated too high, and really the Neptunes are questionable for me.....

Muggs ahould be waaaaay higher....same with Diamond D......

ALCATRAZ
01-05-2009, 01:13 AM
i dont even fuck wit timbaland like that, but if u really into rap u have to give tha man his due.......he has changed tha sound of radio probably 3 or 4 times over the span of his career....thats more than impressive...


but still.....jay dee's drums > all

TSA
01-05-2009, 01:49 AM
Yes, no love for Necro. Next question?
AHAHAHahahhahA!!

I would rank Teddy Riley alot higher, he gave birth to New Jack Swing with was the dominate sound in its time

also i would include the Neptunes, which i thought was a no brainer but didn't see anywhere on your list.


great list though i agree on everything else

TSA
01-05-2009, 01:50 AM
oh wait, they're on there.

crds
01-05-2009, 03:24 AM
Oh No, Blockhead and Kankick >>> Puff and The Hitmen anyday

how do you choose Kay Gee over E-Swift???? come the fuck on b

Edgar Erebus
01-05-2009, 03:44 AM
Oh No, Blockhead and Kankick >>> Puff and The Hitmen anyday

Oh, no. See, neither of them made any impact on the scene. Also neither of them made "T.O.N.Y.", or "Niggas Bleed", or "Mo Money Mo Problems"... or even "What's the 411?", you see.



how do you choose Kay Gee over E-Swift???? come the fuck on b

'Cause he's better producer. Name me one E-Swift beat that's better than "Ghetto Bastard" or "Hip Hop Hooray". (Although I had this feeling that it's extremely unfair to not put him into, but anyway I tried to do I saw a larger figure slipping out.)

RynMur
01-05-2009, 03:57 AM
u aint feelin el-p or 9th wonder?

I was thinking the same thing.

cap
01-05-2009, 08:20 AM
i didnt even know krs produces lol

Durag
01-05-2009, 08:37 AM
Really nice list Slim, i agree with most, personally id put RZA before Dre, and maybe have Showbiz higher, but thats just my personal taste, so i wont bet all mad like other people. Great list, props

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 09:22 AM
List is a fucking JOKE!!

Anyone co signing RZA at 5 especially on a Wu forum should be banned.

Pete Rock, Marley Marl, Preemo ahead of RZA?

You have no idea about anything faggot, RZA did what no one else ever did in the 90's with hip hop music and im not even gonna explain anymore cus you should know already.

Faggots.

Ritter
01-05-2009, 09:27 AM
This list is probably the most objective list I've seen. Which is good, which makes it one of the best lists I've seen. I'd prolly jumble up some names differently, and 9th Wonder is in my personal top 10, but this list is on point.

Mir.

Shitty Brainz
01-05-2009, 11:04 AM
Anyone co signing RZA at 5 especially on a Wu forum should be banned.

Pete Rock, Marley Marl, Preemo ahead of RZA?

You have no idea about anything faggot, RZA did what no one else ever did in the 90's with hip hop music and im not even gonna explain anymore cus you should know already.
co-sign to this

and no 4th Disciple in top 50?

oh come on man

xgVlj0-a-3c

Edgar Erebus
01-05-2009, 11:15 AM
Wow, someone got seriously furious. (Not you, SB.) Where'd you get invitation ticket anyway?

As for 4th Disciple, I already said I have nothing but respect for him, it's just that outside of Wu he didn't make any bigger impact, and therefore can't be counted among the titans of hip-hop production.



Otherwise, thanks for all the love. Keep comments coming, I'm especially not sure about particular persons in 2nd half of the list.


(P.S. Yes, Cap, KRS used to produce a lot. He was VEEERY important in late 80's/early 90's, in New Jack Swing era, he was employed for production by anyone who wanted to keep that sparse boombap, like Just-Ice or Queen Latifah. He was even producing for Sly & Robbie.)

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 11:17 AM
He only made this thread because of me saying recently that Premier wasnt as skilled a producer as RZA was in the 90's. I could tell that really got him mad so he came with this thread and put RZA at 5 to try to make a gay point. That was the whole point of this thread.

RZA at 5.

On wu corp.

Niggas co signing.

Choke on a dick bitches.

oldie
01-05-2009, 11:19 AM
how is kanye above a lot of them producers?!

Crackhead Bob
01-05-2009, 11:19 AM
23. The Beatnuts

I got a problem with this. The Beatnuts are primarily emcees, who don't produce most of their own beats, but if you do want to call them producers, i would break them up, because JuJu is far and away the better producer.

Edgar Erebus
01-05-2009, 11:27 AM
Nah, B-Rock, it's opposite, Beatnuts are primarily producers who also emcee. They were producing for shitloads of people, often without rapping on it. And - sorry - ALL of their albums were self-produced, do your listening.

And Kanye West is above most of producers because he's better than most producers. Ain't he?












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I don't even gotta look to know that he was again writing dirty words.

Durag
01-05-2009, 11:33 AM
Yeah Beatnuts were primarily producers, their raps dont match up to their production a lot of the time.

And idk how 4th Desciple would be on a top 50 producers of all time list. dude is dope as hell, but has made 0 impact outside of Wu.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 11:34 AM
^ I really affect you don i bitch.

Your list is full of so many laughable rankings I think you should remove it to save further embarrasment about your lack of knowledge. Go back to sheering your sheep because hip hop isnt for you.

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01-05-2009, 11:41 AM
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Skipper, we're receiving weird signals again.

Crackhead Bob
01-05-2009, 11:45 AM
I would call the Beatnuts producers turned emcees, they have 20 production credits and most of them are mid to early nineties, but to each his own.

main_man
01-05-2009, 11:48 AM
yeah, take out krs-one (sorry not at all influential as a producer. have you ever heard someone say "the track krs-one produced was dope as hell") and that faggot low life jermaine "dick-holster" dupri (always had ghost producers, like puffy and supposedly dr dre).
put on el-p (truly influential in the hip hop community) and 9th wonder (cat headlines albums) and you have a decent and accurate list.

Edgar Erebus
01-05-2009, 11:49 AM
@ B-Rock:

Oh, way more if you count their solo-credited productions too. They were on a lot of dope albums in late 90's and 00's, say, Capital Punishment, Black on Both Sides, J.O.S.E., ... Supreme Clientele...



@ main_man:

Taken into consideration.

Crackhead Bob
01-05-2009, 11:53 AM
I have all those albums except Jose, and those are one track deals.

Edgar Erebus
01-05-2009, 11:57 AM
Well, they got lazy (like all of them), but I always had this crazy idea that it's decided by number of albums you appear on how much are you sought after and everything.

And don't forget that this list ain't entirely my brain work, a lot of points came from what other people said. Beatnuts were high on everyone's list.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 12:05 PM
Ya'll niggas dont know about Beatnuts, just shut up.


Im now gonna go in on you bitch ass list and show you up for it, Ok?

Some ignorant ass things he did that will NEVER be excused(not including the RZA @ Number 5 self ether)

- he put Timbaland at number 8. (ahead of folk like Prince Paul for example).

- he put the Beatnuts ahead of Q Tip and Madlib

- He put Clark Kent ahead of No I.D

- he put DJ Quik and the Neptunes ahead of Organized Noise

- he put Teddy Riley in a hip hop producers list

- he put trackmasters ahead of Questlove

- He put Jermaine Dupri ahead of Wyclef, DOOM, and Dan The Automator

- he didnt even mention Ced Gee or Scott la Rock

- he put puff daddy ahead of Mannie Fresh, DOOM etc




Theres so many more moments of ignorance I cant be bothered to do them all but this should lay to rest that these eurotrash niggas dont understand basic elements of hip hop.

So, copy and paste much, Slim T?

Edgar Erebus
01-05-2009, 12:07 PM
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Crackhead Bob
01-05-2009, 12:12 PM
GHOSTLACED list of best producers

1. Manny Fresh
2. Anybody that produces a Lil Wayne track.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 12:15 PM
Why did this fool even put Mannie Fresh in "HIS" list? He hates that type of music.

Hes basically full of shit.

He copied this list off another site just as a subliminal stab at me saying Premeir wasnt as good as RZA.

You lost boy.

Edgar Erebus
01-05-2009, 12:17 PM
GHOSTLACED list of best producers

1. Manny Fresh
2. Anybody that produces a Lil Wayne track.


Nah, Kanye West is number one for reasons I can't exactly remember, but you can find 'em in 808 & Heartbreak thread.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 12:32 PM
^shut up fool, you dont deserve to KNOW who my top producers are, you got alot to learn before you can debate with me.

RZA #1 Hip Hop prodcuer ALL DAY EVERY MO THA FUCK ING DAY

youse a bitch if u put him at 5. Thats how a feel. A bitch. Anyone who puts him at 5 IMO has just instantly LOST all credibilty in my eyes.

I dont care who you are. Whether your a shrimpy Eastern Euro or the Editor of Scratch magazine. If RZA aint in your top 2 AT LEAST you failed in your mission of understanding hip hop music of the 90's.

And im only talking about the 90's as you didnt include most 70's and 80's leagcy producers and DJ's.

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01-05-2009, 12:41 PM
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Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 12:43 PM
^*blank stare*

maestro wooz
01-05-2009, 12:45 PM
yeah decent list, but my list reads 1. rza 2. premier. 3. pete rock and then everyone else

b-dolo
01-05-2009, 12:57 PM
How about N.O. Joe

BRONZBODY
01-05-2009, 01:00 PM
nice to see ski on that list as well...ski gets no love imo and that cat has dropped some fucking bangers.

BRONZBODY
01-05-2009, 01:04 PM
23. The Beatnuts

I got a problem with this. The Beatnuts are primarily emcees, who don't produce most of their own beats, but if you do want to call them producers, i would break them up, because JuJu is far and away the better producer.i have to agree with that.

Guarded By Martyrs
01-05-2009, 01:26 PM
Ya'll niggas dont know about Beatnuts, just shut up.


Im now gonna go in on you bitch ass list and show you up for it, Ok?

Some ignorant ass things he did that will NEVER be excused(not including the RZA @ Number 5 self ether)

- he put Timbaland at number 8. (ahead of folk like Prince Paul for example).

- he put the Beatnuts ahead of Q Tip and Madlib

- He put Clark Kent ahead of No I.D

- he put DJ Quik and the Neptunes ahead of Organized Noise

- he put Teddy Riley in a hip hop producers list

- he put trackmasters ahead of Questlove

- He put Jermaine Dupri ahead of Wyclef, DOOM, and Dan The Automator

- he didnt even mention Ced Gee or Scott la Rock

- he put puff daddy ahead of Mannie Fresh, DOOM etc




Theres so many more moments of ignorance I cant be bothered to do them all but this should lay to rest that these eurotrash niggas dont understand basic elements of hip hop.

So, copy and paste much, Slim T?

How many times must you be told you idiot...
You live in europe.

Yet again GHOSTLACED spits his dummy out
Because someone doesn't have what he would have put. smh

Your a little bitch, and the way you address people is beyond childish
Show some respect, Slim obviously took time to do this
And it's his list, understand ? really, it's alright to disagree...
But you come like you are the Yoda of Hip-Hop or some shit, when it's clear you are not.
How do you expect people to even take your critisism seriously-
When you hype up Lil'Wayne ?
On a Wu-Tang Forum, that, is self-ether.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 01:33 PM
^out of that whole post you pulled out the ONE least important word of it all and spent 10 minutes talking about it

I just never realised SLIM T was so much of a Jermaine Durpri fan, thats all. lol





























































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2Bladez
01-05-2009, 02:20 PM
B]50 GREATEST HIP-HOP PRODUCERS OF ALL TIME
[/B]
1. DJ Premier
2. Dr. Dre
3. Pete Rock
4. Marley Marl
5. RZA
6. The Bomb Squad
7. Kanye West
8. Timbaland
9. Rick Rubin
10. Large Professor
11. J Dilla
12. The Neptunes
13. Prince Paul
14. Easy Mo Bee
15. Havoc
16. Erick Sermon
17. Diamond D
18. DJ Quik
19. Organized Noize
20. DJ Muggs
21. Da Beatminerz
22. Ski
23. The Beatnuts
24. Q-Tip
25. Just Blaze
26. The Alchemist
27. Madlib
28. KRS-One
29. Showbiz
30. The 45 King
31. Howie Tee
32. Lord Finesse
33. Swizz Beatz
34. Hi-Tek
35. Clark Kent
36. No I.D.
37. Trackmasters
38. ?uestlove
39. Kay Gee
40. Buckwild
41. Puff Daddy (& the Hitmen)
42. DJ Scratch
43. Mannie Fresh
44. Jermaine Dupri
45. Wyclef Jean
46. Salaam Remi
47. MF Doom
48. DJ Pooh
49. Dan the Automator
50. Teddy Riley



HONORABLE MENTIONS (a.k.a. those that deserve to be here but there ain't enough space):

* Andre 3000
* Ant Banks
* DJ Battlecat
* DJ Shadow
* E-Swift
* Hurby Luv Bug
* Jam Master Jay
* Minnesota
* N.O. Joe
* Scott Storch
* Stoupe

Dope list. In my opinion nobody knows how should that top really look.
Because people always put in that top their personal favourite and they think their favourite producer is underrated, and just becuase they don't like some producer for xmple timbaland (who is the best producer minimal of the last 5 years) means he's overrated so he doesn't belong top 10 and in reality he does. If i would do a real top, i wouldn't care if i like that producer, your top is based on critics opinion and overall fans opinion and not just of your taste, that's why i think this list is pretty accurate.

LORD NOSE
01-05-2009, 02:43 PM
top 3


Wooly Noggins
Premo
Danger Mouse

derek41
01-05-2009, 03:02 PM
I would definitely have Stoupe in my top ten. Even though he is not as well known as most producers, every beat he has made has been severely dope.

Dj Quick is one of the greatest producers in my opinion, he is just a shit rapper. His production is some of the deepest funkiest shit, plus he plays all of his instruments, and plays them well, which is so rare in hip hop period.

Another West coast producer that needs to be mentioned is Cold 187um from Above the Law, he created G-funk for crying out loud, and influenced the whole Chronic album.

Ant Banks had some of the best Funk around, He dominated th Oaktown scene back in the day. Def top 50

snakesonawiggly
01-05-2009, 03:06 PM
I think Madlib should be higher on the list but thats just me

claaa7
01-05-2009, 05:06 PM
K-Def is definitely worthy of top-20 status, he produced the Lords of the Undergrounds 2 first albums together with Marley Marl as well as the Real Live album, Tragedy Khadafi's second and best album and a whole bunch of other shit; recently he did "The Teacha's Back", maybe the illest track from the KRS-1/Marley Marl LP.

other than that it's good, one can sit for hours and debate shit like this but most of it is opinions. props for taking the time to make the list.

Tony Bandana
01-05-2009, 05:13 PM
huh ...nice job Slim , nah really Primo is #1 head and shoulders above all . I thought maybe id catch you with Rick Rubin but you even got him up in there.

Daz Dillinger deserves some props for his work in the early days. Major contributer to All Eyez On Me .

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SL33
01-05-2009, 05:16 PM
E M Bee should be higher. i'd put rza on third place just for fuck of it.

nice list though

Tony Bandana
01-05-2009, 05:19 PM
Id put RZA behind Dre .

he had an enomous onslought of grimey beats for so many records that didnt take 5 years between each other.

wish he drank more redbull with his coffee and take epedrine pills now ..but hey lol

ONGH

Bedlam
01-05-2009, 05:45 PM
Why did this fool even put Mannie Fresh in "HIS" list? He hates that type of music.

Hes basically full of shit.

He copied this list off another site just as a subliminal stab at me saying Premeir wasnt as good as RZA.

You lost boy.

It's called being OBJECTIVE. It's the 50 greatest producers ever, which is way different than "my favorite 50 producers."

I don't know how anyone could argue with Premier at #1. He's made banger after banger for 20 years, never fallin off. RZA was the best by far from 93-97, but he's been nothing special since then.

Pretty decent list overall.

11th Chamber
01-05-2009, 06:56 PM
I cant believe Heatmakerz didnt even get an honorable mention..

there's no excuse for that

Tage
01-05-2009, 07:02 PM
Stoupe's not on the list?... that's just idiotic.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 07:08 PM
It's called being OBJECTIVE. It's the 50 greatest producers ever, which is way different than "my favorite 50 producers."




Its funny you should say that, because Slim T and his serbian friends are the LEAST objective people on Wu Corpz.

So its all fake. I dont buy it.

Crackhead Bob
01-05-2009, 07:33 PM
top 3


Wooly Noggins
Premo
Danger Mouse

Sorry, I may sound ignorant here, but who the fuck is Wooly Noggins?

Tage
01-05-2009, 07:36 PM
^an old poster on the corp lol

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2009, 08:03 PM
He was a SUNNY secondary, and got banned because of it.

Wu Corp mods discriminate on secondaries.

Memory Man
01-05-2009, 10:36 PM
Paul C.

Tony Bandana
01-05-2009, 10:38 PM
Jermaine Dupri jigga whatt!! ONGH

Da Brat , Bow Wow ...no really

So So Def done much damage

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 02:34 AM
It's so dope how Ghostlaced is probably analyzing my personality, preferences and reasons for making this thread and I don't even read his posts. Keep posting, you make design variety on the page.

About Jermaine Dupri - sorry, but you can't argue that dude's been influential as hell and that he did a great ass job in pushing hip-hop towards mainstream. I admit he ain't an artistic great, but that's why he isn't high on the list. (I do think about swapping his position with Teddy Riley's though.)

About K-Def and Daz Dillinger, I remembered of them though, but I just noticed that there ain't many people who think that highly of them.

Danger Mouse is prolly best alternative producer at the moment, but he just ain't around for enough time to make it to the list.


And I know that Paul C is a legend - but dude's only produced a couple of sides, all producers I mentioned have a large back catalog.

crds
01-06-2009, 04:51 AM
23. The Beatnuts

I got a problem with this. The Beatnuts are primarily emcees, who don't produce most of their own beats, but if you do want to call them producers, i would break them up, because JuJu is far and away the better producer.

No, the Beatnuts are Producers before they are emcees and they have done a lot of production work over the years, including their own, where do you get the information that they don't produce most of their own beats, do you even own Beatnuts albums????

Also mcenroe should be on that list.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-06-2009, 08:06 AM
You obviously dont know anything about Paul C...dont front for me lol...

But I would say Paul C was more of a engineer, but he revolutionized how hip hop music was made by seperating drums left and right.

You still havent answered why

Ced Gee,
Scott La Rock,
Kurtis Blow,
Africa Bambaata
Kurtis Mantronic
Sub Roc
Beastie Boys
Fat Boys


List goes on if you wanna get serious about it. But nah thats, cool , if you really think Jermaine Durpi and so on DID MORE FOR HIP HOP than those catts, than carry on, Serb.

claaa7
01-06-2009, 08:09 AM
^^ i haven't heard much from Paul C but I know he did much of "Let The Rhythm Hit 'Em" by Eric B & Rakim together with Large Pro.. also Ultramagnetic MC's i think??

biggorfries
01-06-2009, 09:27 AM
id put 4th disciple and Notzz up in there..

yo Slim T whos that chick in your sig, my type of bitch!

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 11:45 AM
^^ i haven't heard much from Paul C but I know he did much of "Let The Rhythm Hit 'Em" by Eric B & Rakim together with Large Pro.. also Ultramagnetic MC's i think??

He did one beat on Critical Beatdown album ("Give the Drummer Some") and few beats for some crew I never heard anything from, Mikey D & the LA Posse. He was killed before his career even started properly. I can give him props for bringing up Large Professor (#10), but he sadly didn't manage to make his own name.



id put 4th disciple and Notzz up in there.. (I wouldn't.)

yo Slim T whos that chick in your sig, my type of bitch!

Hahaha... Guess where did I capture that picture from and I'ma tell you.

wuswordz95
01-06-2009, 03:33 PM
every peron thats on your list. did u bother to listen to every song that they ever produced/ if so u really have the time and money.

Tony Bandana
01-06-2009, 03:40 PM
cmon Slim how you gonna take me serious on Jermaine Dupri? lol ..even though finacially he could be on the list for sure?

Daz had a major impact on the west coast in the hey day.

but good list.

I think your thinking of Mario C GhostLaced for the Beastie Boys

ONGH

SikoCeLL
01-06-2009, 03:43 PM
Yea... how the fuck did Daz not make that list?

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 05:38 PM
Not enough e-mentions.

And no, I didn't listen to each and every song from those, but I'm working on it. I think I already captured keystones for all of them. And I only need time to do it, since p2p made money obsolete.

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 05:44 PM
Okay, since KRS arguably didn't make much impact (wouldn't know, seems to me that he was pretty fucking large back in the late 80's) I'm thinking of kicking him off the list, pushing everyone forward for one place and put someone else on #50.

These come into consideration:

9th Wonder
El-P
Daz Dillinger
anyone from honorable mentions.



Open fire.

Tony Bandana
01-06-2009, 06:05 PM
have no idea what happened to these mutherfuckers but they did all the first 3 Outkast records and Goodie Mobb was it Organized Noize?? where the fuck are they? they had some off the illest shit Outkast and Goodie Mobb ever put out,

not meaning like where are they on your list ..just in general ?

also Beats By The Pound dropped some serious heavy tracks for the early No Limit days for all the top records like C Murder and Mystikal

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-06-2009, 06:07 PM
NIggarollo we dont care if you wanna change your list, it will always be wack!!

You still havent answered why all these guys arent mentioned


Jam Master Jay
Ced Gee,
Scott La Rock,
Kurtis Blow,
Africa Bambaata
Kurtis Mantronic
Sub Roc
Beastie Boys
Fat Boys
El P

And Organises Noise would be a top 10 in my list EASY


And you gonna put 9th Wonder still ahead of those catts?

GET OFF THE STAGE KID, YOU LOST

Tony Bandana
01-06-2009, 06:09 PM
Ghostlaced where what kind of clue you on son ? Beastie Boys shouldn t be on a list as top producers . As much as i luv them TT5B's was the weakest record they ever did .

yo Sha Money XL should be there .

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 06:16 PM
have no idea what happened to these mutherfuckers but they did all the first 3 Outkast records and Goodie Mobb was it Organized Noize?? where the fuck are they? they had some off the illest shit Outkast and Goodie Mobb ever put out,

not meaning like where are they on your list ..just in general ?

Their workload dropped drastically, but some Southern cats still employ 'em occasionally, like, say, Killer Mike or Bubba Sparxxx.



also Beats By The Pound dropped some serious heavy tracks for the early No Limit days for all the top records like C Murder and Mystikal

Nah, most of their beats were too derivative, almost straight jacked. But maybe I could include 'em into honorable mentions just for dominating the game for a time.



yo Sha Money XL should be there .

Now this is just trippin.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-06-2009, 06:19 PM
I dont know but the kids list is just a mess lol straight up and down.

DJ Pooh?

What about DJ Paul and Juicy J?

Dj U Neek?

What about Pimp C?

Andre 3k?

He put Dan The Automator all the way down in 49.


Serious folk, he got so many wack niggas on that shit, Puff Daddy and Jermaine Dupri??

Id like him to explain why he thinks folk like Howie T, DJ Pooh, Kay Gee, etc are there at the expense of real legends that I mentioned, ESP JMJ.

Its a random list.

Tony Bandana
01-06-2009, 06:19 PM
I dunno he did some good work on the Get Rich Or Die Tryin Soundtrack ..I dont care what anyone says.

Sha Money XL that is ,.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-06-2009, 06:22 PM
Organised Noize behind DJ Quik???!!!

LMAO

Kid doesnt even know WHY he has made such strange choices, I know he aint a fan of Quik like that. No one is saying Quik isnt a good producer, everyone loves Quik, but unless you a Quik STAN HARD no one would put nigga ahead of Organised Noize, who dide ATLIENS, AQUEMINI, SOUTERTH PLAYALISTIC, SPEAKERBOXX, STANKONIA ETC


Youre a mess.

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 06:23 PM
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Look, I avoid your threads, now be so nice and avoid mine too. And no, I don't have a clue what you saying, but I'm sure it has to do with Slovakia, farming, backpacking and being a faggot.

Dammit, like his head gonna explode if he gets off my dick.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-06-2009, 06:31 PM
^YES

Anyway, we all know youre a certified RZA HATER, you always have been, I see thru your bullshit.


This is the same SLIM T who made a Thread about "BEST HIP HOP SINGLES OF 1995" and DID NOT include Raekwon's "ICE CREAM"


!!!


Plus the poll had abotu 50 options, NO ICE CREAM.


Youre a RZA hater and thats the only reason you made the thread, disguised in credibilty, to put RZA at number 5.


http://wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54927


^XPOSED

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 06:32 PM
Um... you just said somethin'?

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-06-2009, 06:39 PM
^YEA I DID FOOL

And you aint got the balls or the brains to make an answer, even while I know youre simply clicking View Post to all of my posts!! Fayl!!

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 06:43 PM
I agree. Whatever you just said, I 100% agree.

oldie
01-06-2009, 07:12 PM
obviously he cant include every producer under the sun but i just noticed that Cut Chemist aint on there?!!?

IMO he the better of him & Nu-Mark respectivly (spel?) although Nu-Mark is still nice.

you tellin me J5LP aint some classic Hip-Hop!

Edgar Erebus
01-06-2009, 07:20 PM
Well, you answered it yourself. There's only 50 slots, and Cut Chemist just ain't large enough.

Tonystarks420
01-06-2009, 08:13 PM
dj premier beats are like japenese girls to me......

although HOT, they all look the SAME

i can pick a premier beat out if i was deaf. definately top 3 material but will never ever ever surpass RZA.

RZA has done shit never done before and crafts his beats around the mc......wuts the point of even explaining....

but pretty good list got every producer that came to my mind just think rza shud be number one or higher then marley marl dre premier

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-06-2009, 08:27 PM
dj premier beats are like japenese girls to me......

although HOT, they all look the SAME

i can pick a premier beat out if i was deaf. definately top 3 material but will never ever ever surpass RZA.

RZA has done shit never done before and crafts his beats around the mc......wuts the point of even explaining....

but pretty good list got every producer that came to my mind just think rza shud be number one or higher then marley marl dre premier

Exactly though, thats the point its not even worth explaining...


If I wasnt on a Wu Forum I would explain, but if youre on a Wu forum and you still dont understand about the genius of RZA over about 7 albums all of various styles, then you DONT DESRVE to ever know.


This guys the biggest fool here. But again, like I proved on the last page, he has a proven track record of hating on the Abbot (even though hes posting on a site that wouldnt exist without RZA). But then again he does believe this (http://wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62377) song is better than any beat on Ready to Die, so we'll let him slide.

5.


5.

Wow.


And everyone single last one of you dozy muthafuckers who co signed this foolishness, yall are all indicted to in this mess. Ignorant asses.

11th Chamber
01-06-2009, 09:35 PM
I hate to do it, but I agree with Ghostlaced

I would love Slim T to explain to me how Pete Rock and Marly Marl are above RZA

Did RZA's career start in 2001?

Cause I cant help but remember 36 Chambers, LS, OB4CL, Ironman, Wu Forever, In Stereo and The W

Explain to me how Pete Rock and Marly Marl are able to touch the masterpieces RZA laced those albums I mentioned with.



And you also failed to answer my question as to where Heatmakerz are at, and how you didnt even give them an honorable mention.

Tonystarks420
01-07-2009, 12:10 AM
word. forgot about heatmakerz^

diplomatic immunity was hip hop gold

crds
01-07-2009, 05:18 AM
He did one beat on Critical Beatdown album ("Give the Drummer Some") and few beats for some crew I never heard anything from, Mikey D & the LA Posse. He was killed before his career even started properly. I can give him props for bringing up Large Professor (#10), but he sadly didn't manage to make his own name.





Hahaha... Guess where did I capture that picture from and I'ma tell you.

are you serious Slim T?

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Paul+C

Paul C definitely made his name back in the 80's and through teaching Large Professor everything he knows, Paul C influenced many producers and worked with a lot of MC's.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-07-2009, 10:06 AM
LOl "he didnt make his own name". Hes talking about one of the most influential producers of the 80's. Possibly the most influential. Not to mention the dozens of albums he didnt get credited on.

Paul C didnt just teach other producers, he invented most of the techniques used in making hip hop in the 80's, youre trying to say he "didnt make his name". Not only this but Slim T didnt mention anybody who worked on Ultramagnetic MC's album like Ced Gee, which in terms of the modern hip hop sound of the 90's it was one of the most influential album ever, and he hasnt even answered why.

Slim T youre a mess bro. You shouldve thought this through alot more before making your "shock thread".

SL33
01-07-2009, 10:41 AM
as i've said before RZA should get get better spot, E M Bee too...

Edgar Erebus
01-07-2009, 01:32 PM
dj premier beats are like japenese girls to me......

although HOT, they all look the SAME

(Fuck all the rest - S.T.)


Caca.

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And the ultimate discussion ender:

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What's best, I could tell the exact same accusation about RZA.

Edgar Erebus
01-07-2009, 01:38 PM
I hate to do it, but I agree with Ghostlaced

I would love Slim T to explain to me how Pete Rock and Marly Marl are above RZA

Did RZA's career start in 2001?

Cause I cant help but remember 36 Chambers, LS, OB4CL, Ironman, Wu Forever, In Stereo and The W

Explain to me how Pete Rock and Marly Marl are able to touch the masterpieces RZA laced those albums I mentioned with.

Personally, I wanted to put RZA at #3, behind Premier and Dre, but there were A LOT of people whose lists I looked and who I talked with who don't even put RZA in top 10. Not everyone is a Wu fan. I tried to be as objective as possible, so the first five positions are direct results of a calculation. Is it clear now?

I presume people were putting Pete Rock before because he's one of the rare producers who ain't fell off during the years (he ain't like on "Mecca and the Soul Brother, but he keeps a high level of quality, while each next RZA beat is worse than former since cca. 1999), and Marley Marl because he influenced every single producer after him (introduction of sampling, basslines, chipmunk soul...).



And you also failed to answer my question as to where Heatmakerz are at, and how you didnt even give them an honorable mention.

Because I ain't heard one mention of them before I came here, and because they ain't made nothing new, just jumped on each bandwagon that passed by. Making good beats in the progress, I admt that.

Edgar Erebus
01-07-2009, 01:41 PM
are you serious Slim T?

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Paul+C

Paul C definitely made his name back in the 80's and through teaching Large Professor everything he knows, Paul C influenced many producers and worked with a lot of MC's.

That's all nice, but isn't a criteria for greatness. If I did that, I should put No I.D. and D-Dot at places 4 and 5 respectively.

Plus, tell me one list of 50 greatest MC's that includes DJ Hollywood. Yet he originated it all.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-07-2009, 02:13 PM
^is this fag still talking?

You lost in a major way fool, youre making yourself look even more stupid by saying things like "'other peoples' lists dont have RZA in the top 10"

what a fag lol. So basically you just copied a bunch of other random internets peoples list and made a average. Dick.

And then you said all RZA's beats sound the same?

...WOW...

PLEASE BAN THIS FOOL, SOMEONE WHOS KNOWS THIS LITTLE ABOUT WU TANG MUSIC CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE THIS PROPAGANDA ON WU CORP

Edgar Erebus
01-07-2009, 02:22 PM
Sorry, boyo, that message is hidden because you're on my ignore list.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-07-2009, 02:27 PM
I mean, why would he even say that? "All RZA beats sound the same".

Why would anyone say that? And he's saying it on the Wu Tang forum?

Has he really never listened to any of the classics, yet he chooses Wu Corp as his favorite forum?

If you dont like Wu Tang, why are you here, you never post in Wu Chamber

WHY ARE YOU HERE???

He's here because of me, he only posts after me or about me, he has no interest in Wu Tang or any other shit.

Tonystarks420
01-07-2009, 03:21 PM
HAHAHAAHA Rza beats sound the same????????????

i could make a post like you and post hundreds of RZA beats for you to hear yourself but.....

since your on the forum im assuming you would have heard them all......

i hope??

dont say stupid shit like that ever again please

Tonystarks420
01-07-2009, 03:24 PM
and whats your thoughts on Eric B and DJ Jazzy Jeff?

Tage
01-07-2009, 03:24 PM
yo slimT, why didnt stoupe make your list.. ? and what about 7L?

Tage
01-07-2009, 03:29 PM
and marco polo... necro.. list is pretty much endless... you fail.

claaa7
01-07-2009, 03:30 PM
and whats your thoughts on Eric B and DJ Jazzy Jeff?

Jazzy Jeff is a good point, i'd put him above Teddy Riley for instance but Eric B is questionable since there is so much talk about him having ghost-producers. as mentioned before in this thread Paul C and Large Professor is rumored to have produced the bulk of "Let The Rhythm Hit 'Em"... maybe he was the Puff Daddy of the '80s or maybe he actually made all those beats by himself.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-07-2009, 04:33 PM
So although hes been ripped to more shreds than a Papoose record contract. some of the things we've established so far:

(even though he has changed his original post several times, for instance Jam Master Jay wasnt even on the mentions list, JMJ was who I suggested, yet he claims he doesnt read my posts)

Slim T believes these type of people who made his list:

DJ Scratch
Salaam Remi
DJ Pooh
Teddy Riley (fucking Rn B producer, MORON!!)
Jermaine Dupri
Puff Daddy
Clark Kent
Kay Gee
Howie Tee
Showbiz
The Beatnuts
DJ Quik
45 King


have all contributed more to the advancement and art of of hip hop more than:

Jam Master Jay
EL- P
Ced Gee (Critical Beatdown and Criminal Minded anyone? 2 of the most influential produced album ever, arguably top 5 contender)
Paul C (had a hand in tonnes of 80's classics, and invented new ways to make hip hop)
Scott La Rock (Again, no one ever heard of an album called Criminal Minded?)
Kurtis Blow
Africa Bambaata
Kurtis Mantronic (no Mantronix, then there would be no Timbaland, Neptunes, Swizz Beatz)
Sub Roc (Mr Hood, Black Bastards, 2 full certified classics)
Beastie Boys
Fat Boys (your favorite rappers favortie group, mad underrated)
9th Wonder
Dj U Neek (Everyone forgot about Bone Thugs and Harmony, they have album after album that is worshipped like Wu tang)
Pimp C
Andre 3k
Dj Paul and Juicy J (Southern Pioneers, and simply dope dope producers)
Daz Dillenger (had a hand in most West coast G Funk phenom)
Cut Chemist (underground backpack legend)
Dj Jazzy Jeff (dont front, Jazzy Jeff was the SHIT back in the day)
Eric B (alot of myths about Ericb not doing shit, not all true)


^^THESE ARE JUST GUYS WHO DIDNT MAKE HIS LIST!! LOZ!!

NON OF THEM!! NOT ONE MADE HIS LIST!! HAHAHAA





So that was a better idea of your REAL hip hop list, for people who wanna get really in it and not jus scratch the surface. No one is saying alot of the guys I mentioned on his list arent good producers, all of them are, but guys like Clark Kent, Kay Gee, Howie T etc should be no where near a top 50, they havent done enough. I think he just picked a few random old school names so it looked like he knew what he was talking about.

BUT HE CLEARLY DIDNT.


And if you dont know already, to top it all off he put RZA at 5.


And I felt I needed to go in on this kid hard like this no homo because of the gay way he kept defending his list to all suggestions reallly arrogantly like he knows everything.

BUT HE CLEARLY DOESNT.


So Next time Slim T, you wanna get all high and mighty with everyone about hip hop, please be sure to know what yore talking about first, and stop using that stupid "objective" arguement all the time, theres nothing objective abotu getting it wrong, and theres nothing objective abotu putting Puff Daddy and Jermaine Dupri ahead of Jam Master Jay and Ced Gee and co.

claaa7
01-07-2009, 04:49 PM
^^ Ghostlaced, you got alot of valid points but seriously 45 King and Showbiz should if anything be higher on that list..

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-07-2009, 05:02 PM
45 king? He did Latifah album, and Stan and Hard Knock Life most notably. I was looking thru his discog http://45king.com/disk.html and really that all that stands out.

Hes got a rep, but hes not exactly prolific. People I mentioned have full albums under their belts, I dont see how he can be ahead of any of them at all.

Tage
01-07-2009, 05:06 PM
ghostlaced, your still forgetting stoupe and 7l... but for once i agree with you about el-p.

mighti mi should be on the list aswell thinking about it

DRUNKENDRAGON
01-07-2009, 05:30 PM
Showbiz and Prince Paul need to be higher on the list.

claaa7
01-07-2009, 05:41 PM
45 king? He did Latifah album, and Stan and Hard Knock Life most notably. I was looking thru his discog http://45king.com/disk.html and really that all that stands out.

Hes got a rep, but hes not exactly prolific. People I mentioned have full albums under their belts, I dont see how he can be ahead of any of them at all.

he hasn't been around seriously for years now but what he's most recognized for is actually his instrumental breakbeats albums and he released a whole bunch of them.. alot of people took elements from him, he was definitely one of the guys who pioneered the big horns to hip-hop and also his joint "The 900 Number" is a real classic.

i heard something that he went down alot with drugs and alcohol and it's a pity really because i think he had mad potential to be amongst the most recognized producers even in the late '90s, early 00's if you look at the two songs you mentioned there. "Hard Knock Life" and "Stan", argubly the best singles in Jay-Z and Eminem careers, at least in my personal opinion... they boosted two albums to go multi-platinum and they still had that dusty diggin' in the crates feel to 'em.

wuswordz95
01-07-2009, 07:40 PM
what about icp?

Tage
01-08-2009, 09:49 AM
Mike Shinoda... FOR REAL!... i love his beats!

claaa7
01-08-2009, 10:11 AM
^^ lol get out of here with that Mike Shinodi.. 50 hip-hop producers of all time, Mike Shinoda of Linkin' Park??? ...naaaah :P

Tage
01-08-2009, 10:22 AM
hahahahah.... yeah hes not just of linkin park... fort minor aswell.. feats with alot of respected hiphopheads...

but yeah... that was a joke. i do like the dude though.

Edgar Erebus
01-08-2009, 10:40 AM
Edited the front page, KRS is out, El-P is on #50.


Yes, claaa7, that's why I think the 45 King deserves to be where he is.

Durag
01-08-2009, 10:44 AM
Any list is going to be scrutanised, but i think TOASTFACED is going a bit too far.

Showbiz, Beatnuts and 45King should definitly be on the list.

Paul C has got more of a rep than anything, which is the same as 45 King, yet TOASTFACED thinks 45 King should be taken off and Paul C included.

Edgar Erebus
01-08-2009, 10:49 AM
Like I give a fuck about what that sister's lil' bro has to say. He's so persistent in this thread just because he's seriously furious about my ice cold e-swag and has a nervous attack every time he sees these words written:

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About anyone else, I appreciate your feedback. I know that no list can satisfy everyone's preferences, but if we take global hip-hop population I think this is closest to what would come on elections. Thanks, and keep it up.



And no, TonyStarks, RZA beats definitely aren't all same, but neither are Preem's. You can bash any producer that has a signature sound for that, so don't do it, aight?

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2009, 11:31 AM
^oh man listen to this guy hes so insecure, youre "ice cold e-swag" ????

just stop it lol, you sound like a tru homo.

Why is this guy changing his list? Whats the point in changing his list? You really think its some sort of all time internet reference list for the official best hip hop producers, dont you?


And hes got me on ignore cus he cant handle the truth, I spoken ONLY the truth in this thread, AND HE CANT ANSWER ME, I GOT HIM BEAT ALL ENDS UP!!

YOUR A PUSSY, SLIMT, WHO CANT DEFEND HIMSELF AGAINST FACTS, pussy


I got you beat fag, and youre having a nervous breakdown because of it. I dont give a fuck if you pretend you dont read my posts, im not making them for you to read, cornball.

Oh and DUFAG, youre only saying that shit cus you were one who cam ein early and said "dope list Slim T", but then you saw me and other tear it apart like a Saigon record deal and tried to defend your rep.

Durag
01-08-2009, 11:36 AM
Wtf are you talking about TOASFACED i still think its a dope list, never said it wasnt, id just have RZA and Showbiz higher, like i said

Tage
01-08-2009, 11:42 AM
lmao @ ghostlaced.... dude, you need to chill once in a while

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2009, 11:44 AM
^^aahahaha you STILL think its a dope list?? Are you fucking retarded? Whats your comment on any of the producers I mentioned? THey mean nothing to you?

And now, to dig himself deeper, SLIM T has TAKEN OFF KRS ONE, and replaced him with someone else.

Krs One, a guy who produced 3 HIP HOP CLASSICS WITH BDP!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/BDPByAllMeans.jpg




http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/Blueprintkrs.jpg



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Bdp1.jpg

^KRSE PRODUCED ALL THESE CLASSIC RECORDS, CO PRODUCED CRIMINAL WITH SCOT LA ROCK

SLIM T YOU ARE A MESS, IT JUST GETS WORSE AND WORSE FOR YOU






















SLIM T DECREED, and stated as seemingly fact:

Jermaine Dupri
Puff Daddy
Salaam Remi
DJ Pooh
Teddy Riley (fucking Rn B producer, MORON!!)
Clark Kent
Kay Gee
Howie Tee

>>>>>>>>>>>>

KRS ONE

Jam Master Jay

EL- P

Ced Gee (Critical Beatdown and Criminal Minded anyone? 2 of the most influential produced album ever, arguably top 5 contender)

Paul C (had a hand in tonnes of 80's classics, and invented new ways to make hip hop)

Scott La Rock (Again, no one ever heard of an album called Criminal Minded?)

Kurtis Blow

Africa Bambaata

Kurtis Mantronic (no Mantronix, then there would be no Timbaland, Neptunes, Swizz Beatz)

Sub Roc (Mr Hood, Black Bastards, 2 full certified classics)

Beastie Boys
Fat Boys (your favorite rappers favortie group, mad underrated)

9th Wonder

Dj U Neek (Everyone forgot about Bone Thugs and Harmony, they have album after album that is worshipped like Wu tang)

Pimp C

Andre 3k

Dj Paul and Juicy J (Southern Pioneers, and simply dope dope producers)

Daz Dillenger (had a hand in most West coast G Funk phenom)

Cut Chemist (underground backpack legend)

Dj Jazzy Jeff (dont front, Jazzy Jeff was the SHIT back in the day)

Eric B (alot of myths about Ericb not doing shit, not all true)


^NON INCLUDED IN LIST!!!


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!

And, you know the best part, he wont back down on it!!! He really beleive his knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everybody

ahahahahaahhaAAHAHAH!!

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2009, 11:47 AM
Oh and I forgot another BDP album that was a 5 Mic in the Source that KRS produced:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Edutainment.jpg


STILL SLIM T TAKE KRS ONE OUT OF THE TOP 50!!!!!!

TOP 50!!!!

THE E-PRSSURE HAS GOTTEN TO HIM, HES ABOUT TO CRACK!!!

Tage
01-08-2009, 11:49 AM
you wasnt pointing that post at me right? cus i think this list is wack... but i still think you need to chill the fuck out...

deeznutz1981
01-08-2009, 12:33 PM
How is Timbaland better than Dilla?

i noticed that too! what kind of scoring system would put timbo before Dilla??? did you throw shit at the wall to see what stuck??? i'll give you credit though you did name the majority of all time classic producers and you put preemo 1st followed by dre so thats all good but damn bump dilla up and in my opinion i think rza is better than marley marl but i know a lot would disagree its just my opinion.

Tonystarks420
01-08-2009, 03:16 PM
whats your thoughts on Ayatollah?

another nice east coast producer.

SL33
01-08-2009, 03:20 PM
people should know that there's a great difference between beatmaking and producing. that means that RZA should get better place, maybe even no: 1

Edgar Erebus
01-08-2009, 03:48 PM
i noticed that too! what kind of scoring system would put timbo before Dilla??? did you throw shit at the wall to see what stuck??? i'll give you credit though you did name the majority of all time classic producers and you put preemo 1st followed by dre so thats all good but damn bump dilla up and in my opinion i think rza is better than marley marl but i know a lot would disagree its just my opinion.

I already explained why I put Dilla behind Timbaland.



whats your thoughts on Ayatollah?

another nice east coast producer.

Very nice, "Ms. Fat Booty" is my shit. But he ain't one of the greats.




people should know that there's a great difference between beatmaking and producing. that means that RZA should get better place, maybe even no: 1

Okay, in that case I should change thread name to "Top beatmakers" or something, rite?

You want me to break down reasons why even I think that there are better producers/beatmaker/in-studio-sitters than RZA? And no disrespect to RZA anyway, always loved his beats, always will.













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DOUBLE LMAO!

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2009, 04:22 PM
^bdp, bitch

and im not talking about your favorite film, big dicks parade

Tony Bandana
01-08-2009, 04:51 PM
Oh and I forgot another BDP album that was a 5 Mic in the Source that KRS produced:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Edutainment.jpg


STILL SLIM T TAKE KRS ONE OUT OF THE TOP 50!!!!!!

TOP 50!!!!

THE E-PRSSURE HAS GOTTEN TO HIM, HES ABOUT TO CRACK!!!

Ghost your wrong jigga like Yolandas House lol ONGH

when the Source's 5 mic albums only had like fuckin 8 records. Then they made an issue where they went back and gave props to records they fucked up on

but the records that got 5 mics originally were

All 3 Tribe Called Quest records (maybe 2)
BDP- Criminal Minded
Brand Nubian's first record
De La Soul is Dead
Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full
Public Enemy - Takes a Nation Of Millions
RunDMC- Run DMC
GangStarr- Step In The Arena

maybe 1 or 2 more?

but that was it no Dre or Snoop , Beastie Boys . this was in 1995 i think

ONGH

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2009, 05:16 PM
^No youre wrong, The first 3 BDP records were all 5 mics

Source 5 mics

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/scottbdoug/the_source_magazines_5_mic_rap_albums

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Source_(magazine)#The_Source.27s_Five_Mic_Albu ms

So he has left out a producer who produced THREE 5 mic albums

Tony Bandana
01-08-2009, 06:00 PM
thats not right!!!!

LIL KIM

your looking at the issue where they said "We Should Of 5Miced These Records"

im gonna see if i can find it ?

the 2nd BDP record could of been there..im tellin ya there was only 8 or so records that were 5miced

when gettin 5 mics were harder then a porn star on viagra lol

ONGH

JerseyIronman
01-08-2009, 06:04 PM
I thought Doom would of been higher.

Cant really argue with RZA being at no. 5 although hes my personal favorite.

Ghostlaced neg repped me for this comment.

What a fag.

Ok RZA really should be at least no. 4

If I was making the list he would be no. 1 or no. 2.

Are you happy now?

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2009, 06:41 PM
^^hahhaa stop crying faggot ur damn right I did!! I negged every single bitch that said RZA should be 5!!! It was my duty to the Abbot

Edgar Erebus
01-09-2009, 11:00 AM
Ghostlaced neg repped me for this comment.

What a fag.

Ok RZA really should be at least no. 4

If I was making the list he would be no. 1 or no. 2.

Are you happy now?



Lol, Toastfaced brought the art of stanning to a whole nother level.


I gotta thank him, though, this is now my third or fourth most successful thread, and he wrote half of all posts in here. My deepest gratitude. Too bad I only read those that got quoted, but even with that I see that you...

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Thanks everyone, keep it coming.

11th Chamber
01-10-2009, 03:48 PM
I dare Marly Marl or Pete Rock try to make a beat like Black Jesus.

Tony Bandana
01-10-2009, 03:49 PM
different era's this should be done by time frames maybe.

ONGH

11th Chamber
01-10-2009, 03:53 PM
^^ i do agree with that to an extent.

The sounds of hip-hop have changed over the years, so it makes sense.


Regardless, its an insult to RZA's work to have him at number 5 on a list


The only person I can see being over RZA is Preemo. Thats it



I consider RZA the best to ever do it, but I wont argue someone if they say Premier

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-10-2009, 03:56 PM
Lol, Toastfaced brought the art of stanning to a whole nother level.



.

Its not stanning, its musical fact.

You put 3 boom bap beat makers ahead of RZA and Large Pro and Prince Paul the true producers, and you didnt even put one of the best boom bap beatmakers of the 80's KRS One even in the top 50.

You totally massively completely failed in your mission.

Thats all im gonna say, ive made my points enough on previous pages well enough.

Guarded By Martyrs
01-10-2009, 04:03 PM
I dare Marly Marl or Pete Rock try to make a beat like Black Jesus.

PivQBf3ofj0

Memory Man
01-11-2009, 09:42 AM
He did one beat on Critical Beatdown album ("Give the Drummer Some") and few beats for some crew I never heard anything from, Mikey D & the LA Posse. He was killed before his career even started properly. I can give him props for bringing up Large Professor (#10), but he sadly didn't manage to make his own name.


Paul C. worked without contracts so he didn't receive credit for a lot of his productions. some of his productions (credited or otherwise) include:

-Organized Konfusion - Prisoners Of War, Audience Pleasers
-Superlover Cee & Casanova Rud - Do The James, I Got A Good Thing, Romeo
-Eric B. & Rakim - Let The Rhythm Hit 'Em
-360 Degrees - Pelon
-Too Poetic - God Made Me Funky (Remix)
-Ultramagnetic MC's - Give The Drummer Some, Travelin' At The Speed Of Thought (Remix)
-Black, Rock & Ron - True Feelings (Remix)
-The Heartbeat Brothers - Can We Do This
-Mikey D & The LA Posse - All Songs

2Bladez
01-12-2009, 11:08 AM
Mike Shinoda... FOR REAL!... i love his beats!

the rising tied producally is to me top 10, he's the most underrated producer in the game right now, who didn't hear his production, don't be lazy and check that album. And if i know he did that beat on The Instrumental from lupe fiasco