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CharlesJones
02-14-2009, 03:36 PM
I just read at Yahoo.com in the NBA forum that Danny Ferry who is the Cavs GM is interested in getting Amare and he wants to give up Wally Sczerbiak, JJ Hickson and a first round draft pick. He also might throw Anderson Vareajo in there but Phoenix's GM Steve Kerr doesn't sound interested. Phoenix would really suck if this trade happened but it would be a good trade for Cleveland LOL. I can't believe Phoenix is thinking about trading him. He's the best player on the team. They already gave up Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson LOL.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 10:33 AM
That is a terrible trade for the Cavs, and I don't believe that rumor at all.

I wouldnt give up Hickson like that, he has a ton of upside. He will be a better defender than Amare, and has the potential do everything Stoudamire does.

We need Wally right now, because West and Pavlovic are out. and a 1st round pick AND Varajao..

hahahahahahaha@ that. you gotta be kidding.

no thanks. Amare is a good player but he's overhyped.

davedigital360
02-15-2009, 11:02 AM
Amare wants out of Phoenix though, so I'm sure he will be in the move soon.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 11:03 AM
Nicky, you are absolutely nuts not to want that deal.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 11:09 AM
WHy? Than we have to overpay for Amare? What if he leaves?

Fuck that, I'd rather they keep this team, which has one of the best records in the league and a legitimate chance, and save money for 2010 when the better free agents are available, than deal Hickson, Wally, Andy and a 1st rounder.

that is WAY too much for Amare.
If it was Dwight Howard or someone like that, than I'd say yea.

I dunno...if we are giving up 3 of our guys that regularly play, than we need to get someone else from them, like Matt Barnes of something.

But all those guys and a pick for Amare is crazy.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 11:13 AM
Just hear me out here....you can't replace a superstar body on the floor. You can have 10 guys that might improve the team, but they will never be as important as a Star on the floor. They draw attention and stretch defenses, and when you combine one star with another, you always have a chance to win it all. Can you say that about those other guys? Nope. You know they will never get past the Celtics with just Lebron. Won't happen. I can give you numerous examples of this to be true, but I think you know what I'm getting at.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 11:18 AM
What?? AMare is not a superstar, first of all. He plays no defense, and im not interested in a prima donna underachiever who is on a team loaded with talent, and wants out.

The Celtics??? We took them to 7 and almost won last year with a team that had only been together for a few months after a huge trade and WITHOUT Mo Williams, who is an All-Star and has gone for 40 twice this year. The Celtics lost key players and the Cavs have added them.

There is no reason why we can't beat the Celtics. I dont kno what you think I think your getting at, but, no, we are not on the same plane at all.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 11:29 AM
What?? AMare is not a superstar, first of all. He plays no defense, and im not interested in a prima donna underachiever who is on a team loaded with talent, and wants out.

The Celtics??? We took them to 7 and almost won last year with a team that had only been together for a few months after a huge trade and WITHOUT Mo Williams, who is an All-Star and has gone for 40 twice this year. The Celtics lost key players and the Cavs have added them.

There is no reason why we can't beat the Celtics. I dont kno what you think I think your getting at, but, no, we are not on the same plane at all.
You don't know anything about Amare Stoudamire do you? the years he wasn't injured, he was top 5 in Fantasy, the guy does everything. He ran Marion out of town because essentially they are the same player...6 tool athletes that may not score 20 a night but fill up every other stat on the scoresheet....and i also have absolutely no clue why you call him a "primadonna", If you have ever seen an interview with him, he's just the opposite.

Last, and certainly not least, your comparison to the Celtics and reasoning is just flat out stupid. The Cavs were only together a few months? What about the Celtics? It isn't like those guys were playing together for years, and the scary thing is, they are only get better.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 11:41 AM
the celtics were together since training camp of last year. The cavs made a mid season trade and basically overhauled their whole roster.

YOu think that is the same and your calling me stupid?? ok brock.

I don't give a shit about fantasy stats. THat is exactly what I'm talking about. Your looking at it on paper, I'm looking at it from the perspective of this disrupting our team.

Wally is a key scorer off the bench for us. If we lose him, with Sasha out, now it all falls on Boobie's shoulders, and Boobies not a scorer like Wally is.

So, than we are giving up Hickson AND Varajao, so we are losing a big man (something they have been trying to add to all year) for AMare, who does not play great defense. yea he will get a block or two and rebound, but his low post, on the block defense is terrible.
So then Wallace has to come off the bench and play Any's roll, but after that, we have nothing PLUS we lose Andy's energy.

I just think we are giving up way too much for him, but, like I said, if we could get a guy like Matt Barnes in that deal, than its fine.

But as the deal stands, what Jones originally said, that is WAY too much to give up for 1 guy not named Dwight Howard.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 11:55 AM
I don't think you're stupid, i think your reasoning is a bit off. If you think the team they have now has enough to beat the Celtics and Lakers, than God Bless you, but I've watched basketball a long time and i just don't see it happening.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 12:00 PM
I think they have plenty to beat the Celtics. The Lakers, I don't kno. We have been without West and Z, so we will see.

But yea, all this talk about hte Cavs being LeBron and no one else is pretty baseless this year. Maybe in the past, but not this year. When they get healthy, they are one of the deeper teams in the league.

I've watched basketball for a long time too, and I know that with a guy like LeBron you can beat anyone.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 12:04 PM
I think they have plenty to beat the Celtics. The Lakers, I don't kno. We have been without West and Z, so we will see.

But yea, all this talk about hte Cavs being LeBron and no one else is pretty baseless this year. Maybe in the past, but not this year. When they get healthy, they are one of the deeper teams in the league.

I've watched basketball for a long time too, and I know that with a guy like LeBron you can beat anyone.
Sorry, even Jordan needed Pippen. Robinson needed Duncan, Shaq needed Kobe, in fact the only star to win a championship pretty much by himself was Olajuwon, but look who he was playing...the shitty Knicks in a Jordanless era, and even they had to reload to get back there.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 12:08 PM
Thats what Im sayin...Amare aint Pippen, Duncan, Kobe, so why trade a cohesive team for someone who aint even all that.

Olajuwon didnt win it by himself...thats laughable. The Rockets had a great team. Guys like you make me laugh.
Kenny Smith, Otis Thorpe, Robert Horry, Maxwell the one year, Clyde Drexler the next, Sam Cassell.

please.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 12:13 PM
Thats what Im sayin...Amare aint Pippen, Duncan, Kobe, so why trade a cohesive team for someone who aint even all that.

Olajuwon didnt win it by himself...thats laughable. The Rockets had a great team. Guys like you make me laugh.
Kenny Smith, Otis Thorpe, Robert Horry, Maxwell the one year, Clyde Drexler the next, Sam Cassell.

please.Everybody you named was a "role player", and i mentioned the fact that the Rockets reloaded the next year. I know you know i didn't mean he won it by himself, obviously. I'm just saying that none of the guys you mentioned were stars. Stoudamire has been an All-Star multiple times. Just because you don't like him, doesn't change that fact, and he's still young.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 12:20 PM
Hey, Amare would fit nice, but he's not worht trading your whole team for especially when he's already bitching about being a #2 option on PHoenix. If he comes here, he will be a 3rd option behind the King and Mo, and will be sharing low post touches with Big Z.

Role players are jsut as important to a championship team as teh stars. You only need one or two all stars.
Its like your just proving my point brock.
Wally and Andy, and guys like them on this team, they KNOW there roles,a nd everyones is clearly defined, which is why we have one of the best records in the league.

As much as Bostons big 3 was great, Posey, Rondo and the other guys were needed.

As it stands, i still dont like the trade. Giving up too much. If it was just HIckson and Wally, i'd say, ok, sounds decent, but that leaves us with a hole coming off the bench.
I know the Cavs better than anyone and we NEED wally's scoring off the bench cuz we don't get it consistenly from Boobie, and Kinsey and Sasha are out and inconsistent anyway.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 12:21 PM
In 1994 the Rockets finished 58-24, 6th in the West, Olajuwon was the only All-Star they had. I looked at it. This may be the ONLY team to win the NBA championship with one All-Star in the shot clock era...you may be ok though, because didn't Mo Williams make it at the last second as a replacement? so there you go.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 12:25 PM
If he comes here, he will be a 3rd option behind the King and Mo, and will be sharing low post touches with Big Z.

.This is absolutely wrong and you know it, Amare would never be the third option. And big Z is a garbage man, most of his post touches are dumped back out to James anyway.

Hey and if you wanna talk about guys that suck on defense...Wally Szerbiak? Guy gets beat like a rented mule on a daily basis, and he's the reason why Mo Williams playing time is down, because his D is even worse.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 12:32 PM
Wally isnt a started tho, and he's not defending down low, and wont be on Garnett or Turk etc.

Z is not a garbage player. You have absolutely no idea what your talking about right now. He is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league, can play with his back to the basic and can his the face up jumper.

Amare would be option 3.....Cuz LeBron is option 1, and Mo Williams is option 2.

Like i said, you really have no clue about the Cavs, and I'm not against getting AMare, but Im not giving up 3 guys and a 1st round pick for him.

I dont even think Phoenix would make this trade. Andy and Wally are Free agents, our 1st rounder is going to be in the late 20's. The only promising thing they'd get out of it is Hickson, who has all the tools of Amare he's just young and raw at 19. But he has definitely showed flashes.

So tell me...what shoudl the Cavs do this and pay Amare all that money when they have a younger guy and cap space coming up??

It makes no sense.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 12:47 PM
Z is not a garbage player. You have absolutely no idea what your talking about right now. He is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league, can play with his back to the basic and can his the face up jumper.

Amare would be option 3.....Cuz LeBron is option 1, and Mo Williams is option 2.


Do you know what a 'garbage" player is, because you just described one to a "T". I guess you aren't familiar with the terminology. i'm not saying he's garbage, like he sucks, I'm saying he cleans up the garbage, via loose rebound, steal etc., and this is his first and best option to score. Overall i would say Z gets more offensive putbacks than any other big man in the league, and this makes him a "garbage man". I never said he didn't have a baby hook or a turn around jumper, i know he does, but if Amare came in, i think he would have no trouble adjusting at all, he would just clean up Amare's misses.

For your second point about options, when a team sets up their options, they usually go guard-post-guard or post-guard-post, depending on where their strengths lay. If Z wasn't a garbage player like you said, he would be the second option wouldn't he? But you said Williams is the second option. Now surely that would change if a guy like Amare rolled into town, you can't see that?

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 12:57 PM
Z has been injured for a while and just came back so Mo became the second option.

Amare would fit in, and I'd love to have him. But instead of trading everyone for him this year, and trading Hickson, I'd reather wait and sign him for free.

I like the team this year, and they were thinking of getting Joe Smith back for the stretch run for nothing., I think thats a better option right now.

CharlesJones
02-15-2009, 02:30 PM
I agree with both of ya'll but i definitely agree with Beautifulrock about Cleveland won't beat Boston or the Lakers in a playoff series. I just don't have any faith in Lebron's teammates and i've been disappointed way too many times by the Cavs in the playoffs in the past so i'm not getting excited about them like the Cavs fans. If they do make it to the finals this year, i will be surprised. Cleveland is dangerous at home so it would be interesting to see what they would do if they played the Lakers or the Spurs in the finals. But ya'll saw how the Spurs swept them in the finals LOL. I think Lebron is gonna go to several finals but it's not gonna mean anything if he doesn't get a championship. I agree with Nicky that it would be better for the Cavs to get Joe Smith back and i also agree with Nicky that the Cavs have good role players to help Lebron. Amare probably would be bitching if he came to Cleveland talking about he doesn't like being the 2nd or 3rd star on the team. Star players i notice tend to complain too much about they wanna be the man, they want all the money and they don't want their teammates to share the spotlight. What ever happened to wanting to win a championship? Star athletes say they wanna win a championship but the way they behave and talk doesn't show me that they wanna win. Like Nicky said, Amare is already bitching about he doesn't like being the 2nd option on the Suns. He's the star on the team LOL. What is he bitching about? Shaq definitely isn't the star and neither is Steve Nash and Jason Richardson. Shaq being a star is long gone when he left the Lakers LOL.





Stephon Marbury is a perfect example of a prima donna who used to be a star. Instead of his bitch ass complaining about he doesn't get along with Mike D'Antoni, just shut the fuck up and play with the Knicks. He has one of the best jobs in the world getting paid millions and his bitch ass is complaining about playing time and i don't believe a word he said about it's Mike D'Antoni's fault that he's not playing. Does Stephon know how many poor black men that love basketball would like to be in his shoes and get paid millions to play a sport they love? Stephon will be lucky if another NBA team signs him. Kevin Garnett and Dwayne Wade talking about they would love to have him on their team and i think they need to reconsider that decision because if he came to either one of their teams, he'd be a problem. Stephon is the reason why him and Kevin didn't get along when they were in Minnesota. They seemed like they had good chemistry on the court but off the court it was a different story from what i've heard. Latrell Sprewell is another perfect example of a ignorant ass prima donna who could've continued his NBA career but instead he chose to bitch about Minnesota wasn't paying him enough money to feed his family hahahahahahahahahahahaha. That's the most ignorant dumb ass comment i've heard from a athlete. What else does Latrell think he can do for a job career that's gonna pay him millions? I wonder where he's working now LOL.

spiggity_ace
02-15-2009, 05:17 PM
Everybody you named was a "role player", and i mentioned the fact that the Rockets reloaded the next year. I know you know i didn't mean he won it by himself, obviously. I'm just saying that none of the guys you mentioned were stars. Stoudamire has been an All-Star multiple times. Just because you don't like him, doesn't change that fact, and he's still young.

drexler was not a role player.

spiggity_ace
02-15-2009, 05:19 PM
i actually liked lattrell and if he didnt complain wut would have happened, if the wolves still kept him and cassell around with garnett, would garnett still be their? That was one of the years the wolves actually made a legit run, and after not resigning him and i forgot wut happened with cassell it all spiraled down ward.

spiggity_ace
02-15-2009, 05:21 PM
In 1994 the Rockets finished 58-24, 6th in the West, Olajuwon was the only All-Star they had. I looked at it. This may be the ONLY team to win the NBA championship with one All-Star in the shot clock era...you may be ok though, because didn't Mo Williams make it at the last second as a replacement? so there you go.

when the pistons won it, big ben was the only allstar.

beautifulrock
02-15-2009, 05:28 PM
drexler was not a role player.


Once again, he came the year after the year I was talking about

when the pistons won it, big ben was the only allstar.

true dat, i forgot about that year

Olive Oil Goombah
02-15-2009, 09:45 PM
just cuz a guy doesnt make the all star team doesnt mean he isn't playing all star caliber basketball either.
It really doesnt matter at all. Those are all meaningless achievements and players are voted in by fans and peers so its not like its a precise system anyway.