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ButterCrunchJoints
03-04-2009, 02:13 AM
I promise that I am not by any means trolling, and that this is a completely serious question.

Disclaimer: If your response is gonna be something along the lines of "that andre 3000 is one of those faggot queers" or "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik was kinda dope, but after that, shit went downhill and was mad whack" please just stay away, because you are a moron.

My answer to this question has always been the shaolin brethren, but lately I've been leaning the other way. Both groups had unarguable hip-hop classic albums followed by later albums that were disappointing but still had classic tracks, that were still better than about anything else out. I just think Outkast had more of the former and less of the latter, while the reverse is true for the Wu. 3 stacks and big boi had 4 albums that were absolutely amazing, and grew and changed stylistically and artistically from album to album. Even Speakerboxx/Love Below was a prettty dope album although not at all comparable to the rest of their stuff. The only album of theirs that I would call flat out disappointing is Idlewild, and that still had cuts that I fucked with pretty hard like Morris Brown and Mighty O.


SPCM 10/10
Aquemini 10/10
ATLiens 10/10
Stankonia 9.5/10
Speakerboxx/Love Below 7/10
Idlewild 6/10

Obviously I don't even need to say anything about 36 or Forever, and i'll leave it at that. the W was just not a full album, it had a couple Wu classics, but only 2 or 3 other tracks that I don't skip. Iron Flag was just whack, all the tracks are the same mediocre shit, the two exceptions of course being Uzi and Rules. I think 8 Diagrams is at least equal to Iron flag if not better, even though it wasn't the usual wu formula(which im perfectly fine with because by iron flag it was gettin really stale).

36 Chambers 10/10
Forever 10/10
W 8.5/10
Iron Flag 7/10
8 Diagrams 7/10

BTW: Its really close but Dre is my number 1 mc, followed by ghost and gza at 2 and 3 respectively.

So yeah I can't really decide right now, and am just curious what people think.

The Hound
03-04-2009, 02:17 AM
outkast aren't a group, they're a duo, so you wrote that for nothing

RynMur
03-04-2009, 03:58 AM
close thread

RAW-TASTE
03-04-2009, 04:19 AM
......

YungSunny
03-04-2009, 06:45 AM
LOL
God this is some hardcore fail.

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-04-2009, 06:52 AM
outkast aren't a group, they're a duo, so you wrote that for nothing

stop being a facetious little prick for once.

Out kast are a group, period.

I would throw in Bone Thugs though, they released 2 classics back to back, and AOW and ressurection were both dope enough. Plus they have as talented MC's.

But Wu Tang always wins for diversity and for the fact they have RZA. One of the few couple of genuine production geniuses hip ho has ever produced.

The Hound
03-04-2009, 06:55 AM
comparing a duo to a group of 9 ... stop trying to be a hip hop aficionado

Senator C. Palantine
03-04-2009, 06:56 AM
SPCM 8/10
Aquemini 10/10
ATLiens 9/10
Stankonia 8/10
Speakerboxx/Love Below 6/10
Idlewild 4/10


36 Chambers 10/10
Forever 10/10
W 9/10
Iron Flag 6/10
8 Diagrams 6/10

The Hound
03-04-2009, 06:58 AM
du'o
–noun, plural du⋅os.

1. Music. duet. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=duet&db=luna)
2. two persons commonly associated with each other; couple.
3. two animals or objects of the same sort; two things ordinarily placed or found together; a pair: a duo of lovebirds.

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-04-2009, 07:19 AM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/group

1group http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:popWin%28%27/cgi-bin/audio.pl?group001.wav=group%27%29)Pronunciation: \ˈgrüp\

Function:noun

Usage:often attributive

Etymology:French groupe, from Italian gruppo, by-form of groppo knot, tangle, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German kropf craw — more at crop (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crop)Date:1686

1: two or more figures forming a complete unit in a composition

2 a: a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship b: an assemblage of objects regarded as a unit c (1): a military unit consisting of a headquarters and attached battalions (2): a unit of the United States Air Force higher than a squadron and lower than a wing



BONEARM = FAIL

Rollo
03-04-2009, 07:28 AM
First of all, how the fuck can you get mad at people for saying older outkast and in particular the fans of SPCM was better? IT WAS. I like hardcore hiphop, I don't need to hear you trying to be so creative that you fall into obscurity. I can't vibe with latter outkast shit, simply because they sound completely different now.

As for the greatest of all time? There is none. To compare things so stylistically different that they might as well be on another planet is retarded.


Wu had one great group album, one good one, and the W Iron Flag and 8 diagrams I just didn't care for.

I liked SPCM and some of Aquemini. The rest, fuck it. I'll live without it.

The Hound
03-04-2009, 07:30 AM
OutKast is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) hip hop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music) duo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duet_%28music%29) based out of East Point, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Point,_Georgia), a city south of Atlanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta,_Georgia), Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28U.S._state%29).

The Wu-Tang Clan is a New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City)–based hip hop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop) group.

A duet is a musical composition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_composition) or piece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_piece) for two performers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performer).

Jutzu-Lo-Killer
03-04-2009, 07:33 AM
stupiz question
WU

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-04-2009, 07:35 AM
OH NO!!!

Hes using............................... WIKIPEDIA!!!!!!!!

shhhhhhhhiiitttt!!! Yes faggit, WE ALL KNOW WHAT A DUO MEANS, it doesnt stop making it a group

Yeah, lets just screw Websters definition of what a group is defined as.

And also, you can call them a duo, but Out Kast is a group that includes Organised Noize, who produced all their first 2 albums and most of thier first 4 albums.

Hold on though, be strong.

LOL @ BONEARM ARGUEING WITH A DICTIONARY ahahahahahahahahha

The Hound
03-04-2009, 07:37 AM
du⋅et

–noun a musical composition for two voices or instruments.

duet
noun
1. two items of the same kind
2. two performers or singers who perform together
3. a pair who associate with one another; "the engaged couple"; "an inseparable twosome" [syn: couple (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/couple)]
4. a musical composition for two performers
5. (ballet) a dance for two people (usually a ballerina and a danseur noble) [syn: pas de deux (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pas%20de%20deux)]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/duet

The Hound
03-04-2009, 07:39 AM
And also, you can call them a duo, but Out Kast is a group that includes Organised Noize, who produced all their first 2 albums and most of thier first 4 albums.
that would be called

DUNGEON FAMILY

2Bladez
03-04-2009, 09:51 AM
outkast can be rated as a group because both rap. Duo is for xmple gang starr, eric b. rakim or pete rock & cl smooth.

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-04-2009, 10:02 AM
that would be called

DUNGEON FAMILY



Well done for knowing who the dungeon family are, and well done for knowing how to write in big letters. But whats your point? Im sure everyone on this board has heard of the Dungeon Family. But Andre and Big Boi + Organised noize isnt the Dungeon Family.

But we're talking about Out Kast albums boo boo, not the Dungeon Family.

You still havent recovered from the fact the Websters Dictionary said that a group is two or more figures forming a complete unit in a composition have you?

Are you still argueing with the Dictionary definition of a "group"?

This is what happens to a sensitive faggit once theyve been proved wrong, they refuse to just hold their hands up and admit it, instead they throw a hissy fit and write in big letters with stupid points.

Im sure Dre and Big Boi would agree, that the Out Kast albums have been a collaborative effort, between them, and Organised Noize.

But this was just an extra fact, to fail you even harder, when you kept talking about "DUETS" over and over.

Its still doesnt change the point that Andre and Big Boi ALONE are a group.

The Hound
03-04-2009, 10:17 AM
du⋅et

–noun a musical composition for two voices or instruments.

duet
noun
1. two items of the same kind
2. two performers or singers who perform together
3. a pair who associate with one another; "the engaged couple"; "an inseparable twosome" [syn: couple (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/couple)]
4. a musical composition for two performers
5. (ballet) a dance for two people (usually a ballerina and a danseur noble) [syn: pas de deux (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pas%20de%20deux)]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/duet

the definition of a duo

Ritter
03-04-2009, 10:33 AM
OutKast wins this.

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-04-2009, 10:34 AM
yes, no one here needs a dictionary to tell them what a "duo" means lol

We all know, already.

But they are still a group. As a group is defined as two or more people. Officially.

So shut up. Debate is over.

You failed at telling someone they failed. Therefore you suffered the ultimate fail possible.

smokebongoncliff
03-04-2009, 10:52 AM
tribe is better than outkast

ALCATRAZ
03-04-2009, 11:57 AM
i dont like to compare duos with groups because there are too many duos and its easier to make a solid duo album that it is a solid album with like 10 niggaz who all need their time to shine....i choose wu tang without hesitation

RAW-TASTE
03-04-2009, 12:04 PM
i dont like to compare duos with groups because there are too many duos and its easier to make a solid duo album that it is a solid album with like 10 niggaz who all need their time to shine....i choose wu tang without hesitation

EXACTLY

this is why this thread is pointless while all u guys are fucking arguing about duos and groups

Uncle Steezo
03-04-2009, 12:32 PM
lol@ Boner limpwrist. aka nutty professor. STFU

KAST- because they haven't dropped a wack song.

2Bladez
03-04-2009, 12:38 PM
i'm not sure if it's a good comparing but outkast is definitely in top 10 greatest hip hop groups of all time.

Uncle Steezo
03-04-2009, 12:44 PM
lol niggas scared to tell the truth.
boner has derailed the discussion with the duo/group bullshit.
rundmc tribe delasoul all groups with 2 mcs.

you have more talent to pick from with 10 mcs
argument fail


now get back to the discussion

KAST HAS NEVER MADE A WACK SONG

beautifulrock
03-04-2009, 12:45 PM
Tonearm covered my opinion, and Ghostlacey in shit at the same time. So i need say nothing.


By the way Speakerboxxx/The Love Below is 10/10, that shit won the big grammy. The one rap artists never win.

NY_Mami
03-04-2009, 12:48 PM
outkast aren't a group, they're a duo, so you wrote that for nothing

:dead:

Monkdude
03-04-2009, 01:11 PM
arguing about whether a duo is a group or not is the dumbes tthing ive ever read on wu corp, easy. outkast is a fucking group retards, a duet, whatever. a quarter is 4 people, but is also a group. a group is 2 or more people. what the fuck is wrong with some of you

Twiztid-Wutang
03-04-2009, 03:19 PM
outkast aren't a group, they're a duo, so you wrote that for nothing

Word. No comparison. You can compare them to the Hotboys, or The Firm, or Bone. Which in all cases of groups, Wu tends to win over em all

Chungsanity
03-04-2009, 05:14 PM
are you idiots fucking stupid or what? how is this even a debate. I wanna slap the shit outta all the peeps getting at the OP.

A GROUP IS 2 OR MORE PEOPLE.

OUTKAST IS A GROUP!



I prefer wu over outkast.

noel411
03-04-2009, 07:21 PM
Outkast probably aren't in the top 20 hip hop groups of all time imo.

They wouldn't be in my personal top 50.

In fact they wouldn't feature anywhere in a personal list because I just plain and simple don't like them and think they are overrated as all fuck.

ButterCrunchJoints
03-04-2009, 07:29 PM
lol niggas scared to tell the truth.
boner has derailed the discussion with the duo/group bullshit.
rundmc tribe delasoul all groups with 2 mcs.

you have more talent to pick from with 10 mcs
argument fail


now get back to the discussion

KAST HAS NEVER MADE A WACK SONG

Exactly, Outkast never made some of the garbage that's on Iron Flag but most importantly they never made Starter, which could be the worst song I have ever heard. There is not a single song from SPCM to Stankonia that I skip.

and to dude that compared 3 stacks to Kanye. FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL. They have absolutely nothing in common. Andre is what Kanye wishes he was, and tries his hardest to be. Andre is actually completely unique and innovative, in his flow, lyrics, and style. There will never be another 3000. He is the greatest of all time.

Good looks to the 5-6 of you that responded to the actual question.

portis24
03-04-2009, 09:13 PM
wu

Uncle Steezo
03-04-2009, 09:24 PM
Boner argued that a song with 2 artists on it was a solo cut (tupac album thread) so you see where his head is at.

deep in his ass.

Paranoid
03-04-2009, 09:33 PM
Without reading a single post in this thread and to answer your question, the Wu is the better group

In addition the comparison isn't necessary