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03-24-2009, 05:30 PM
GDC 2009: OnLive unveils on-demand game-streaming

* By Daniel Terdiman, News.com
* Posted Mar 23, 2009 10:42 pm PT

Cloud-computing service promises top-tier games from EA, Ubisoft, Take-Two, others, delivered to any PC, TVs in winter 2009.
From News.com

NOTE: GameSpot will be live-streaming the first OnLive press conference tonight at 7 p.m. PDT. Check back to the On the Spot page to tune in.

SAN FRANCISCO--Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, look out. Your traditional video game console business model may be in danger. It's too early to tell how much danger, of course, but a startup called OnLive announced a brand-new game distribution system Monday night that, if it works as planned, could change the games game forever.

OnLive, which was started by WebTV founder Steve Perlman and former Eidos CEO Mike McGarvey, is aiming to launch a system--seven years in the works--that will digitally distribute first-run, AAA games from publishers like Electronic Arts, Ubisoft, Take-Two, Warner Bros. Interactive, THQ, Epic Games, Eidos, Atari Interactive, and Codemasters, all at the same time as those titles are released into retail channels. The system is designed to allow players to stream on-demand games at the highest quality onto any Intel-based Mac or PC running XP or Vista, regardless of how powerful the computer.

The system will also stream games directly to a TV via a small plug-in device, and players can use a custom wireless controller as well as voice-over-IP headsets in conjunction with it. OnLive timed its formal unveiling to this week's Game Developers Conference, where it will be showcasing the technology and 16 initial games it will launch with.

The service is currently in a closed beta but is expected to go into a public beta this summer and to launch this winter. According to Perlman, OnLive's technology will make it possible to stream the games in such a manner--high quality, no matter what kind of system the user has--by virtue of a series of patented and patent-pending compression technologies. And instead of requiring users to download the games, OnLive will host them all and stream them from a series of the highest-end servers. Users will have only to download a 1MB plug-in to get the service up and running.

An intended benefit of this infrastructure, Perlman and McGarvey explained, is that users will be able to play streamed games via OnLive with no lag, so long as their Internet connections meet minimum thresholds. For standard-definition play, that would mean a minimum 1.5Mbps connection, and for high-def, 5Mbps. The company promises that as long as users have the requisite minimum hardware, operating systems, and Internet connections, they should be able to have seamless play.

The upshot of this infrastructure model, Perlman said, is that OnLive is somewhat future-proof, meaning that players won't have to upgrade anything to keep on playing games on the system years into the future. Instead, the upgrades will happen on the back-end, with the company regularly boosting the power of the servers it uses to host and stream the games.

OnLive will offer access to games by way of a monthly subscription, where players will pay a monthly access fee and then pay additional costs, depending on whether they want to play games once or buy them for permanent play.

The company also said that it will probably offer free trials of some or all of the games it offers, allowing consumers to decide whether they want to buy. OnLive recognizes that some players may use those trials as a way of deciding whether to buy such games from traditional retail stores, but Perlman and McGarvey suggested that as long as people are interacting with the OnLive system, they'll be happy.

OnLive appears to be modeling its system at least somewhat after Microsoft's Xbox Live service. As such, fans of multiplayer games won't be on their own. Rather, they'll have full access to multiplayer features of games built for them. And another interesting social feature is one that will allow users to watch others play games in real time. The company thinks that users will find it exciting to watch the best players in action, even if they themselves are only kibitzing.

Perlman said that the concept of spectating in online game systems is, in and of itself, not new, but that OnLive presents the first time players will be able to look in on what others are playing without owning the games themselves.

Another social feature in the Xbox Live mold is what are called "brag clips." These are essentially 15-second replays of game action that players can share with friends if they want to show off their prowess. This is possible, Perlman said, because OnLive is continually recording the last 15 seconds of action. All told, McGarvey said, OnLive offers a full suite of standard social features including friends, clans, rankings, leader boards, tournaments, and more.

From the outset, OnLive isn't partnering with any of the first-party publishers--Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo--meaning that franchises like Halo or Zelda won't be available. That means, Perlman and McGarvey acknowledged, that many players who sign up for OnLive's service will still maintain their consoles and continue to buy games for them. At least for the rest of the current generation of machines, they said. But come the next generation, all bets are off, they said.

And for the nine--to date--third-party publishers who have committed to being involved, McGarvey said, OnLive presents a much more efficient and profitable distribution model than the standard retail structure. That's because the system is all digital, cutting down on physical distribution costs, and because it is designed to eradicate piracy and second-hand sales, both of which are banes of the publishers' existence.

Indeed, McGarvey said that OnLive has gotten strong commitments of titles from the nine publishers. That means, added Perlman, that the planned launch this winter could be accompanied by the most titles of any new gaming system launch in history.

In addition, McGarvey said publishers are eager for the kind of raw data that OnLive can provide about players' usage of the games, including whether they like or dislike games, how much they play, how they play, and so on. That data is hard for publishers to collect with traditional consoles, he argued.


Ghost In The 'Lac
03-24-2009, 06:02 PM
i dont like this idea.

i like consoles.

this is all part of trying to make gaming more appealing more people, who are still put off by a console

but you cant get any more people gaming than there currently are imo

Mr. X
03-24-2009, 08:36 PM
Sounds like a waste of money on their part. If the technology doesn't update, the games won't either so they are already lying. Computers cost too much to build and upgrade and not everyone has access to the type of internet that would suitable for this, minimum is bullshit. Trying playing anything on the minimum requirements and you'll be pissed off.

There's a reason why the majority has consoles for gaming and not high end gaming PCs.

Uncle Steezo
03-24-2009, 09:08 PM
yall miss the point. this is like youtube for gaming. or better yet Gametap for next gen systems.

this way when PS4 drops you wont have to shell out $1000 for it. the console upgrade will be on their end sall you need is the plug in device and a controller.

it Will add more gamers cause i don't have a 360 or ps3 but if i could play without buyin the systems i would. even if it costs as much as my internet cable bill. its still cheaper than 600 for the console and 50 plus for games. plus you vcould access the WHOLE LIBRARY.

think about it.

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-24-2009, 09:16 PM
It doesnt have the backing of Nintendo, Sony, Or Microsoft. Therefore it will fail.

They have the power, not this gimmicky thing called "OnLive". Until Sony/Nintendo decide to drop the consoles, it wont happen.

03-24-2009, 09:54 PM
they tried this before...it failed

Uncle Steezo
03-24-2009, 10:02 PM
1st of all the online game business model has already been established and and tested.

while sony and microsoft get their ass whooped by nintendo in console sales i'm sure they have not ruled out streaming gaming as an option.

but the point is once again...there is no console so why do you need sony MS nin...?

why can't midway drop an online streaming version of MK vs DC?
why can't rockstar drop GTA4 for online streaming?

this actually sets the stage for a game explosion. since the manufacturing an retail costs are cut games can go str8 from the software co. directly to you.
this also allows smaller companies to enter the market meaning more games and more variety.

sony and them better get on board cuz they are acting as the middle men right now. if a game programmer can bypass the console do you think they would still want to pitch games to sony or do direct downloads and take all the profits?

this is like mp3 vs the cd. whens the last time you bought a cd?

Uncle Steezo
03-24-2009, 10:07 PM
they tried this before...it failed

the internet pipes werent fat enough yet. this is something i know alot about since my pops sells the services that comcast and verizon buy.
within the next 2 years you will be able to DL HD movies in a few minutes.

playing a full featured next gen game online will be nothing.

japan already offers 300 Megabit/sec connections. they are all about speed tho. they demand it.

Mr. X
03-25-2009, 12:46 AM
This all sounds really nice in theory but they ignore the fact that it's hardware that upgrades and then games upgrade, not vice versa. Steam and Gametap have similar programs. This is just one big fantasy.

Streaming anything is a pain and more people streaming at once slows it down.
You need the internet for this. With consoles you just need the console and a disk, internet enhances it.

Of course big name companies will sign onto it, if this does take off, this can be huge.

Mr. X
03-25-2009, 02:36 PM
I just saw another article about this in USA Today.

First you have to purchase some hardware. Then you will either buy the games or pay a month subscription. Most likely it will be a monthly subscription because over time, this is the most profitable for the company. Helps keep the servers up and the consumer is blind to the fact that it would have been cheaper for them in the long run to pay a lot once than pay a little indefinitely.

The article also had a comment by someone from Gamepro saying the graphics are internet HD quality when running Crysis.

No way this will replace consoles.

03-26-2009, 05:23 PM

03-27-2009, 04:16 PM
I think that's the future of gaming. Games are gonna be like music & movies, it's all going to be through online. But it will take time before it becomes mainstream.

03-27-2009, 04:24 PM
lol I just need a better internet and my CounterStrike 1.6 :)

04-10-2009, 10:08 AM
This all sounds really nice in theory but they ignore the fact that it's hardware that upgrades and then games upgrade, not vice versa. Steam and Gametap have similar programs. This is just one big fantasy.

Streaming anything is a pain and more people streaming at once slows it down.
You need the internet for this. With consoles you just need the console and a disk, internet enhances it.

Of course big name companies will sign onto it, if this does take off, this can be huge.

i enjoy steam :[

04-10-2009, 09:48 PM
not saying that it wont work...but with certain broadband internet companies capping internet usage here real soon could hinder a few things.