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noel411
05-07-2009, 08:04 PM
I recently read the autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr. I actually knew very little about the man before I read this book. I was very impressed by the character and nature of this man, and developed a profound respect for him. He was a very wise and tuned in man, who offered positive and effective insights and strategies on what needed to be done to move humanity in a positive direction.

Why is it that a lot of African American's seem to hold black activists like Malcolm X in such higher regard to that of MLK? For example you seem to hear Malcolm X sampled and referred to all over hip hop albums, whereas I don't recall hearing MLK sampled much if at all on hip hop albums (I might be completely wrong here). It just seems that most African Americans hold Malcolm and even people like Huey P. Newton in a higher regard.

Malcolm X was a bitter and vengeful man who only served to strengthen the "us verse them" mentality between blacks and whites. What he preached suggested we should separate and differentiate between race even moreso than we already do. Not only this but he was also very impressionable and uncertain of himself.

MLK presented workable insights and strategies to unite all people, while at the same time liberating the black man without giving him an unfounded sense of superiority over the white man. He was sure of himself and never swayed in his belief of a peaceful approach to dealing with the problem of segregation and racism. He also effectively achieved results as a result of his strategies.

Why is it that people would rather remember the insights of someone like Malcolm X to those of someone like MLK? Are a lot of African Americans still bitter about the past and do they believe that unity between races is not the most positive and beneficial direction for humanity to pursue?

Lil mD
05-08-2009, 06:34 AM
U right for some thing but u wrong for one : Malcom X changed his point of view when he went to Jerusalem( i think it is) he came back he said that he was wrong and joined to MLK's point that's why ( i think too) nationalist killed him !
But I think that people want to believe that vengeance is the only way to got respect maybe im wrong but i juss give my point
PEACE

drippie k
05-08-2009, 06:42 AM
malcolm changed his views publicly and renounced the nation of islam after returning from mecca and seeing muslims of all different colors n origins worshipping together

LORD NOSE
05-08-2009, 07:18 AM
Why is it that a lot of African American's seem to hold black activists like Malcolm X in such higher regard to that of MLK?


did you read the autobiography of Malcolm X ?

They do this because Malcolm Challenged Authority and didn't tolerate abuse from them - Authority were killing women and children - People like a good champion - King David of the Bible is a famous Champion - He killed the Enemies of his people - why would anyone want to tolerate abuse ?


For example you seem to hear Malcolm X sampled and referred to all over hip hop albums, whereas I don't recall hearing MLK sampled much if at all on hip hop albums (I might be completely wrong here). It just seems that most African Americans hold Malcolm and even people like Huey P. Newton in a higher regard.

Because they were tough and highly educated and disciplined
and stood up to their oppressors


Malcolm X was a bitter and vengeful man who only served to strengthen the "us verse them" mentality between blacks and whites. What he preached suggested we should separate and differentiate between race even moreso than we already do. Not only this but he was also very impressionable and uncertain of himself.

this is a reason why allot of us must seperate - you have no understanding of our struggle - you have no idea of the condition our people are in - and you can't understand why anyone would have stood up and fought the way Malcolm did - This way of thinking is dangerous and destructive to a progress of the races coming together -

do you think that a woman who is getting beat up by her husband severely
should stay with him ?

should she try taking the peaceful, let him keep punchin me in the eyes tactic ?


MLK presented workable insights and strategies to unite all people, while at the same time liberating the black man without giving him an unfounded sense of superiority over the white man.

Black people were not liberated by those tactics
in order to unite all peoples, there first must be some understanding of each group by each group
this is what the nation does - establishes an understanding

He was sure of himself and never swayed in his belief of a peaceful approach to dealing with the problem of segregation and racism. He also effectively achieved results as a result of his strategies.

the american media labeled MLK a terrorist

never forget that

he only became an american hero after they killed him


Why is it that people would rather remember the insights of someone like Malcolm X to those of someone like MLK? Are a lot of African Americans still bitter about the past and do they believe that unity between races is not the most positive and beneficial direction for humanity to pursue?

its not about being bitter - its about us being destroyed, and us trying to rebuild ourselves, and others throwing insults and monkey renchs at our process

unity between the races cannot be established until the black mans identity is restored - our identity was stolen - we were not just abused here, we were transformed into animals - The Nation Restores The Black Man to his Original and Best State - What Many don't know is that Malcolm was one out of many many ministers who fought the good fight -

the oppressor is always gonna put those of us who don't resist their abuse on top and in front as an example for the rest of us to follow

RALPH WIGGUM
05-08-2009, 07:30 AM
"I'll say nothing against him. At one time the whites in the United States called him a racialist, and extremist, and a Communist. Then the Black Muslims came along and the whites thanked the Lord for Martin Luther King."
"Dr. King wants the same thing I want -- freedom!"
Malcolm X.

Somebody once said about the "We shall overcome" anthem, "We will not sing that song. Those who sung it were crazy. They were non-violents and we aren't."
James Forman, founding memeber of the SNCC and BPP's Minister of Foreign Affairs, said that, if he was where he was, it was for different reasons, but that surely those who sing "We shall overcome" had a lot to do with it.
Non-violence is noble, but its not a solution, it should be used as a mean, a weapon, not as a standard as MLK did.
The true meaning of MLK's death was that non-violence as a philosophy was a failure. MLK went even further than Ghandi in non-violence.
Malcolm X evolved, from being a lost being with no knowledge of self, to a prophet, a African American with a complete understanding of the situation. It is one thing to fight for the Civil Rights, and it is another thing to fight for the Human Rights.
MLK was a great human being, he did a lot of good. Eldridge Cleaver said about MLK : "When I'll never say I'm glad he died, I'm glad he lived".
Malcolm X is everybody. Everybody is Malcolm X.

LORD NOSE
05-08-2009, 07:32 AM
U right for some thing but u wrong for one : Malcom X changed his point of view when he went to Jerusalem( i think it is) he came back he said that he was wrong and joined to MLK's point that's why ( i think too) nationalist killed him !
But I think that people want to believe that vengeance is the only way to got respect maybe im wrong but i juss give my point
PEACE

Malcolm was going through allot at that time - the powers that be were constantly bombing his home - agents were always tracking him - buggin him - he got poisoned in mecca - sure agents followed him there - he saw white muslims there - he knew that there were white muslims because he knew of Master Fard Muhammad's Mother - he was set up - so was the Nation - they say he changed his views, but he started an all black gun club when he got back,and he still had to fight white supremacy in america

he abandonned the Messengers Program

one of the things Malcolm was taught was to do a weapons check at the door of his meetings - he abandonned the teachings and skipped the weapons check for the first time - and got killed that day

its said that his security pursaded him to do so

he was set up

there can't be peace or unity until truth and justice is established - all that love the world and unite all races with love will not work until these are established


sure those in the wrong would rather have those that they have wronged forget all about it -

RALPH WIGGUM
05-08-2009, 07:34 AM
did you read the autobiography of Malcolm X ?

They do this because Malcolm Challenged Authority and didn't tolerate abuse from them - Authority were killing women and children - People like a good champion - King David of the Bible is a famous Champion - He killed the Enemies of his people - why would anyone want to tolerate abuse ?




Because they were tough and highly educated and disciplined
and stood up to their oppressors




this is a reason why allot of us must seperate - you have no understanding of our struggle - you have no idea of the condition our people are in - and you can't understand why anyone would have stood up and fought the way Malcolm did - This way of thinking is dangerous and destructive to a progress of the races coming together -

do you think that a woman who is getting beat up by her husband severely
should stay with him ?

should she try taking the peaceful, let him keep punchin me in the eyes tactic ?




Black people were not liberated by those tactics
in order to unite all peoples, there first must be some understanding of each group by each group
this is what the nation does - establishes an understanding



the american media labeled MLK a terrorist

never forget that

he only became an american hero after they killed him




its not about being bitter - its about us being destroyed, and us trying to rebuild ourselves, and others throwing insults and monkey renchs at our process

unity between the races cannot be established until the black mans identity is restored - our identity was stolen - we were not just abused here, we were transformed into animals - The Nation Restores The Black Man to his Original and Best State - What Many don't know is that Malcolm was one out of many many ministers who fought the good fight -

the oppressor is always gonna put those of us who don't resist their abuse on top and in front as an example for the rest of us to follow

Peace, those who claim themselves the friends of the Black People, and use MLK's peaceful image to denounce Malcolm X, who feel their duty is to convince the Black Community to step away from Brother Malcolm's word, they are no friend, they are the enemy.

LORD NOSE
05-08-2009, 07:46 AM
Plus - Noel - its not wise of you to try to put one up over the other
they were brothers and were coming to an understanding of each other before they died - Martin met with the Messenger (Malcolms Teacher) and then came up with that socalled "I Had A Dream" Speech where he stated that he was tired of fighting for what should have been his at birth - again women and children were killed during those nonviolent marches - Elijah was not gonna allow the beast to just run up on his people like that - can some one do it to you ?


people claim taking the nonviolent way is the right way, but if you meet them on the street and spit in their face, they'll attack you - people just say things - things they really don't believe - they say it cause they are repeating what they heard others say and because they haven't really given any thought to what they are saying and what they say they believe




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LORD NOSE
05-08-2009, 07:52 AM
they are no friend, they are the enemy.

some do it cause they don't know any better though - some are the enemy -

allot of whites are afraid of retaliation so they tear down Malcolm thinking that Malcolms focus was getting white people back for what they did - when that was not the case - his focus was restoring his people - the medicine that the Nation gives white people is the medicine that whites need in order to tear down their false pride in their hair and skin color - most really don't view black people as equal, allot of them think that they should feel sorry for us and they can't see us in a high position - white america has been poisoned also - the truth fixes this

RALPH WIGGUM
05-08-2009, 07:59 AM
some do it cause they don't know any better though -

Truth, but as Kant said "Being minor, is being unable to use your own understanding without somebody else's leadership." Man is in this state by his own fault when its not the lack of understanding but the lack of courage and will which causes it. Those people, some know better, a lot don't, and those should have the courage to use their own understanding.

LORD NOSE
05-08-2009, 08:06 AM
Truth, but as Kant said "Being minor, is being unable to use your own understanding without somebody else's leadership." Man is in this state by his own fault when its not the lack of understanding but the lack of courage and will which causes it. Those people, some know better, a lot don't, and those should have the courage to use their own understanding.

thats like asking a child who doesn't know multiplication to just know it

the training we have doesn't leave room for our own understanding

Leadership is important - all that have your own mind individualism is messing us up -

look at the state we are in - its like this


man woman 2 children -

man and woman doesn't teach or lead the children

cause they feel the children should just have their own mind and think for themselves

what are the results ?

instead of fruits and vegetables, the children are in charge of what they eat - and they choose to eat candy and cake...everyday for breakfast lunch and dinner - no guidance = chaos - learn from man -

"man wrote the bible"

what else would you have write a bible besides a man ?

did you follow your fathers instructions ?

all these things need to be looked at closer

RALPH WIGGUM
05-08-2009, 08:10 AM
some do it cause they don't know any better though - some are the enemy -

allot of whites are afraid of retaliation so they tear down Malcolm thinking that Malcolms focus was getting white people back for what they did - when that was not the case - his focus was restoring his people - the medicine that the Nation gives white people is the medicine that whites need in order to tear down their false pride in their hair and skin color - most really don't view black people as equal, allot of them think that they should feel sorry for us and they can't see us in a high position - white america has been poisoned also - the truth fixes this

Yes, they got this paternalism way of thinking which make them think that Black people can't take care of themselves. It reminds me of a book I recently read, in which a white writter, with the help of a doctor, got his skin to become black. And one day, he was with black dudes talking, and a white dude coems to them, and he talked to them, sayin how he was "their" friend, how the other whites were wrong n all, then he said he was gonna buy all of the turkeys that a black dude was selling, but when he saw the dudes hesitating since its a pretty awkward offer, he said about the turkeys "they aren't stolen, are they?". This is a great example of these people, who think they got princilpes the wanna stand for n everything, but they're just full of the prejudices they were educated by.

RALPH WIGGUM
05-08-2009, 08:16 AM
thats like asking a child who doesn't know multiplication to just know it

the training we have doesn't leave room for our own understanding

Leadership is important - all that have your own mind individualism is messing us up -

look at the state we are in - its like this


man woman 2 children -

man and woman doesn't teach or lead the children

cause they feel the children should just have their own mind and think for themselves

what are the results ?

instead of fruits and vegetables, the children are in charge of what they eat - and they choose to eat candy and cake...everyday for breakfast lunch and dinner - no guidance = chaos - learn from man -

"man wrote the bible"

what else would you have write a bible besides a man ?

did you follow your fathers instructions ?

all these things need to be looked at closer

Leadership is crucial, but it doesnt mean you should follow the one you were told to follow first and ignore everything else. There were great men who fought for truth, they are books, if you ignore that you choose to ignore it. You should follow leaders, and always keep in mind that no matter how righteous they are, you must never believe their word without properly thinking about it.

LORD NOSE
05-08-2009, 08:25 AM
Leadership is crucial, but it doesnt mean you should follow the one you were told to follow first and ignore everything else. There were great men who fought for truth, they are books, if you ignore that you choose to ignore it. You should follow leaders, and always keep in mind that no matter how righteous they are, you must never believe their word without properly thinking about it.

its all about results

noel411
05-08-2009, 09:58 AM
Just had a quick look at this before I go to bed. Just want to say that I have read Malcolm X's autobiography, and yes I know that he changed his views later in life when he denounced the Nation of Islam and discovered conventional Islam. That is part of why I say he was impressionable and unsure of himself. I also know that MLK and Malcolm X respected each other and said as much publicly, even if it was with reluctance on Malcolm X's part. By the way I also have a lot of respect for Malcolm, and am not trying to put him down at all. And I'm not so much trying to compare the 2 as I am trying to compare their strategies and insights. And I acknowledge that it is completely different for me to pass comment on this subject as it for an African American. My viewpoint is not based on racial conflict but rather on what I think is beneficial to humanity as a whole, as I believe we are all one and awakening humanity to this truth is the ultimate goal.

But anyway, I'll read through this thread when I get a chance and see if there's anything to build on.

LORD NOSE
05-08-2009, 10:56 AM
Yes, they got this paternalism way of thinking which make them think that Black people can't take care of themselves. It reminds me of a book I recently read, in which a white writter, with the help of a doctor, got his skin to become black. And one day, he was with black dudes talking, and a white dude coems to them, and he talked to them, sayin how he was "their" friend, how the other whites were wrong n all, then he said he was gonna buy all of the turkeys that a black dude was selling, but when he saw the dudes hesitating since its a pretty awkward offer, he said about the turkeys "they aren't stolen, are they?". This is a great example of these people, who think they got princilpes the wanna stand for n everything, but they're just full of the prejudices they were educated by.

i wish everyone had the understanding to see this

what makes it even iLLer is that they think that we don't see what they are doing - some of us don't - but allot of us do - sometimes their arrogance blinds them from knowing that they are exposing themselves -

when they do this and this makes it very hard for us to establish trust between the 2 groups - we have very good reasons to be distrustful - but when i mention this truth, i get called a racist

LORD NOSE
05-08-2009, 11:01 AM
Just had a quick look at this before I go to bed. Just want to say that I have read Malcolm X's autobiography, and yes I know that he changed his views later in life when he denounced the Nation of Islam and discovered conventional Islam. That is part of why I say he was impressionable and unsure of himself. I also know that MLK and Malcolm X respected each other and said as much publicly, even if it was with reluctance on Malcolm X's part. By the way I also have a lot of respect for Malcolm, and am not trying to put him down at all. And I'm not so much trying to compare the 2 as I am trying to compare their strategies and insights. And I acknowledge that it is completely different for me to pass comment on this subject as it for an African American. My viewpoint is not based on racial conflict but rather on what I think is beneficial to humanity as a whole, as I believe we are all one and awakening humanity to this truth is the ultimate goal.

But anyway, I'll read through this thread when I get a chance and see if there's anything to build on.



after reading the book on Malcolm, how could you say that he was just bitter - you didn't feel his pain ?

by the way, this thread is like a breath of fresh air - without all the immature disrespectful comments - i'll keep this thread like that - we will all disagree with some things - but we'll keep it peaceful and respectful

Lil mD
05-08-2009, 05:29 PM
Damn guys are u some fanatics of wat ( ima jockin ) ! I juss got respect 4 my bro n Sunny cause u are so educate i wish i be too ! im on the good way !

Mr. Muhammad
05-08-2009, 06:46 PM
Salaam (Peace) to all...

It just seems that most African Americans hold Malcolm and even people like Huey P. Newton in a higher regard.

Malcolm X was a bitter and vengeful man who only served to strengthen the "us verse them" mentality between blacks and whites. What he preached suggested we should separate and differentiate between race even moreso than we already do. Not only this but he was also very impressionable and uncertain of himself.

With all due respect...have another look at the photos SUNNY posted with MLK and Malcolm...and Malcolm's Teacher.

Is it a coincidence that almost immediately after meeting with the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, Dr. King's tone began to change...so much so that his speaking on "taboo for negroes" subjects caused many of his friends to walk away from him, and arguably contributed to his assassination?

Listen to Dr. King's Speeches within the year before his death...he wasn't talking about any "dream"...

RM

noel411
05-08-2009, 08:26 PM
They do this because Malcolm Challenged Authority and didn't tolerate abuse from them Could you not say the same about MLK?
Because they were tough and highly educated and disciplined
and stood up to their oppressors As above.
this is a reason why allot of us must seperate - you have no understanding of our struggle - you have no idea of the condition our people are in - and you can't understand why anyone would have stood up and fought the way Malcolm did - This way of thinking is dangerous and destructive to a progress of the races coming together Ė I accept that. Iím merely sharing my opinion from my point of view. If I were in your position I might feel exactly as you do on the issue.
do you think that a woman who is getting beat up by her husband severely
should stay with him ?

should she try taking the peaceful, let him keep punchin me in the eyes tactic ? Not a bad analogy but still not really applicable to the discussion. Youíre talking about 2 people here. The discussion is about humanity as a whole. Itís about the most effective way to unite all people and awaken them to the fact that we are all one.
Black people were not liberated by those tactics No, but steps were effectively taken towards their liberation.
the american media labeled MLK a terrorist

never forget that

he only became an american hero after they killed him Itís not about how people labeled him. Itís about who he really was and what he achieved.
its not about being bitter - its about us being destroyed, and us trying to rebuild ourselves, and others throwing insults and monkey renchs at our process

unity between the races cannot be established until the black mans identity is restored - our identity was stolen - we were not just abused here, we were transformed into animals - The Nation Restores The Black Man to his Original and Best State - What Many don't know is that Malcolm was one out of many many ministers who fought the good fight Ė Good point. I guess you could say that MLK was more focused on the ultimate goal of unity, whereas Malcolm and The Nation were/are more focused on restoring the black manís identity. Maybe it could even be argued that MLK was jumping the gun? In any case his goal was a progressive step towards a better tomorrow.
the oppressor is always gonna put those of us who don't resist their abuse on top and in front as an example for the rest of us to follow I donít understand how you can suggest that MLK didnít resist his oppressorís abuse. Violence is not the only form of resistance. If he hadnít resisted his oppressorís abuse you would have never heard of him.
Non-violence is noble, but its not a solution, it should be used as a mean, a weapon, not as a standard as MLK did.
The true meaning of MLK's death was that non-violence as a philosophy was a failure. MLK went even further than Ghandi in non-violence. Do you honestly believe that if heíd advocated violence he would have achieved what he did or lived as long as he did?
Peace, those who claim themselves the friends of the Black People, and use MLK's peaceful image to denounce Malcolm X, who feel their duty is to convince the Black Community to step away from Brother Malcolm's word, they are no friend, they are the enemy. If this was aimed at me please understand that I am not denouncing Malcolm X at all, or suggesting the black community step away from his word.
women and children were killed during those nonviolent marches - Elijah was not gonna allow the beast to just run up on his people like that - can some one do it to you ? Unfortunately sacrifices sometimes have to be made in order to achieve results. What if MLK and his followers had fought back with violence? Their whole cause would have been destroyed, a lot more people would be dead, and absolutely nothing would have been achieved.
people claim taking the nonviolent way is the right way, but if you meet them on the street and spit in their face, they'll attack you - people just say things - things they really don't believe - they say it cause they are repeating what they heard others say and because they haven't really given any thought to what they are saying and what they say they believe I hate to compare the 2, but I think this would be much more applicable to Malcolm than to MLK. Although it is applicable to all of us to a degree.
allot of whites are afraid of retaliation so they tear down Malcolm thinking that Malcolms focus was getting white people back for what they did - when that was not the case - his focus was restoring his people - the medicine that the Nation gives white people is the medicine that whites need in order to tear down their false pride in their hair and skin color - most really don't view black people as equal, allot of them think that they should feel sorry for us and they can't see us in a high position - white america has been poisoned also - the truth fixes this I think itís a positive step for African American leaders to attempt to restore the pride of their people, but I think it is harmful to teach that one race is supreme to another, as the Nation does. Sure a lot of black people have been forced to believe this all their lives by being raised in a society where a lot of whites still practice racism and oppressive techniques over them. But reversing this belief and placing the black man in the position of supremacy is not the answer. We are all equal. That is the ultimate truth of which the understanding would be most beneficial to humanity.
after reading the book on Malcolm, how could you say that he was just bitter - you didn't feel his pain ? Iím not saying that he was just bitter. Not at all. He was a great man. But he did hold a lot of contempt for the white man, and that is why I believe that a lot of his teachings were not in the best interests of making positive and progressive steps for all of humanity. I donít believe that causing further separation between races has any benefit to our progress as a whole, at all. I believe in sticking it out through the hard times and striving for the ultimate goal.

Yes it is very easy for me to say this as a white man. Again I acknowledge this fact.
by the way, this thread is like a breath of fresh air - without all the immature disrespectful comments - i'll keep this thread like that - we will all disagree with some things - but we'll keep it peaceful and respectful Well thatís a good part of why I never post in here. Iím not interested in having serious discussions with people who are disrespectful and not willing to take other peopleís opinions seriously. Iím all for keeping it civilized here.
Is it a coincidence that almost immediately after meeting with the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, Dr. King's tone began to change...so much so that his speaking on "taboo for negroes" subjects caused many of his friends to walk away from him, and arguably contributed to his assassination?

Listen to Dr. King's Speeches within the year before his death...he wasn't talking about any "dream"... I wasnít even aware that he had met with Elijah Muhammad until SUNNY mentioned it and posted that pic. I canít say I really detected too much of a change in MLK during his last year. Please elaborate on this.

TSA
05-08-2009, 08:38 PM
malcolm X didn't really do shit on a scale that had an impact

he inspired a lot of ppl, but he didn't really get shit done.

same with nation of islam only they made being pro black a joke in black communities.

but yeah, MLK was the god.

TSA
05-08-2009, 08:40 PM
also NOI used malcolms hatred of self to manipulate and control him, once he realized that real Islam is real he converted then they killed him.

i'm personally inspired by Malcolm but i don't feel he's anywhere near the same level as MLK.

Olive Oil Goombah
05-08-2009, 09:21 PM
Malcolms is more inspiring on and individual basis, as you attested.

But MLK had the much bigger impact on the Civil Rights, and he knew that extremism would only result in more extreme reaction.

King was a great leader because he was a responsible leader and saw the bigger picture beyond himself and his life.


Anybody who says that non-violence doesn't work is a complete moron because it has already been proven that it can and DID work, and not only just in AMerica.

LORD NOSE
05-09-2009, 02:40 AM
malcolm X didn't really do shit on a scale that had an impact


but TSA is saying this

he inspired a lot of ppl, but he didn't really get shit done.

read that back to yourself


same with nation of islam only they made being pro black a joke in black communities.

you know nothing about the NOI

but yeah, MLK was the god.


Question #1

CharlesJones
05-09-2009, 10:14 AM
You have to ignore TSA because everything he says is ignorant. That's why i don't respond anymore to his bullshit opinion. Martin Luther King's voice was sampled on Willie D's Fuck The KKK song on his Controversy album. That's the only time i heard his voice sampled by a rapper. Martin was a great man and he did a lot for blacks. He knew that nonviolence was the way to deal with racist whites because he knew they had more guns and power than blacks so there was no way that blacks could've fought and won against whites back then. Martin's family forgave the racist white bastard James Earl Ray for killing him but i don't think they should've forgiven him. If my father would've gotten killed by somebody, i would never forgive that person. Martin was trying to get blacks to unite with whites and some racist whites don't want that and James was one of those people that didn't wanna unite with blacks so that's why he killed him. I was surprised when i saw some white people marching with blacks in some pictures from the 60's. I used to think back then that all whites hated blacks. Malcolm X was killed by his former organization because they thought he was becoming too powerful and they didn't like the fact that he was trying to start his own organization. Plus he found some stuff out about Elijah Muhammad like he had several kids by different women and Malcolm had thought very highly of Elijah before he found that stuff out.

TSA
05-09-2009, 10:47 AM
LOL this is the first time i've felt insulted on wucorp.
i have wronged charles jones...*ironman face*

RALPH WIGGUM
05-09-2009, 10:58 AM
Malcolm X was a bitter and vengeful man who only served to strengthen the "us verse them" mentality between blacks and whites.

If this was aimed at me please understand that I am not denouncing Malcolm X at all, or suggesting the black community step away from his word.

Its good that its not what you meant, but maybe you should have picked more suitable words.
I didn't say that MLK would have obtained better results advocating violence, I don't advocate violence and neither did Malcolm X. But not advocating violence and advocating non-violence as a philosopy, a principle which you will not break under any circumstances are two completely different things.

LORD NOSE
05-09-2009, 02:55 PM
Malcolm X was killed by his former organization because they thought he was becoming too powerful and they didn't like the fact that he was trying to start his own organization.


not true -why would the Nation of Islam and Elijah Muhammad have a problem with Malcolm becoming - too powerful when one of its main functions is to restore the Black Man to Power - yall need to stop guessing and stop making stuff up based on what yall thought yall heard -

Plus he found some stuff out about Elijah Muhammad like he had several kids by different women and Malcolm had thought very highly of Elijah before he found that stuff out.


Elijah had children by different women -

people claim that Malcolm Left The Nation and Embrace "real Islam"

in this "real Islam", the men are allowed to have children by different women

did Malcolm lose respect for those over in mecca who had children by different women ?

TSA
05-09-2009, 03:00 PM
they weren't lying about their extra marital affairs, sleeping with underaged women, and practicing fake islam tho

LORD NOSE
05-09-2009, 03:18 PM
they weren't lying about their extra marital affairs, sleeping with underaged women, and practicing fake islam tho


Men in Islam can have more than one wife


what were the ages of the underaged women you speak of ?


what is real Islam ?


if you are not here to discuss and back up the accusation you make in a respectful manner, i will prune you out of the thread -

Sky Blue Danny Kid
05-09-2009, 03:31 PM
not true -why would the Nation of Islam and Elijah Muhammad have a problem with Malcolm becoming - too powerful when one of its main functions is to restore the Black Man to Power - yall need to stop guessing and stop making stuff up based on what yall thought yall heard -

I don't see how you can call that "making stuff up".

There was a confession, eye-witness accounts, and convictions, all pointing to 3 N OI members.

Now that does not definitively prove their guilt, but it is hardly a baseless accusation to say that "The NOI killed malcom." The evidence is certainly more than circumstantial. I know they proclaimed their innocence, but most men in prison proclaim their innocence.

As far as "Why would the NOI kill Malcom when they were trying to uplift black people?"

Because they didn't want to uplift all black people. They only wanted to uplift black people who agreed with them. They, just like racist white people, created a false standard of what a black man "should" be, instead of realizing that men are men and race in as of itself is a false institution.

LORD NOSE
05-09-2009, 03:42 PM
I don't see how you can call that "making stuff up".

There was a confession, eye-witness accounts, and convictions, all pointing to 3 N OI members.


where ?

where is this information you speak of ?

Now that does not definitively prove their guilt, but it is hardly a baseless accusation to say that "The NOI killed malcom." The evidence is certainly more than circumstantial.

provide this evidence


I know they proclaimed their innocence, but most men in prison proclaim their innocence.

As far as "Why would the NOI kill Malcom when they were trying to uplift black people?"

Because they didn't want to uplift all black people. They only wanted to uplift black people who agreed with them. They, just like racist white people, created a false standard of what a black man "should" be, instead of realizing that men are men and race in as of itself is a false institution.

its a fact that the NOI doesn't work that way -

this is the way you see it -

you see it this way because you have not seen it at all and you spit back to us what you think is the situation but at the same time you are accusing the NOI

if its ok to say that The NOI killed Malcolm instead of pointing to the 3 fools with the guns, then its ok to say that white people have genocidal programs set up for black people across the world instead of pointing at the few who control the programs

noel411
05-09-2009, 08:26 PM
Its good that its not what you meant, but maybe you should have picked more suitable words.
Yeah you’re right. I could’ve and should’ve used lighter wording.
I didn't say that MLK would have obtained better results advocating violence, I don't advocate violence and neither did Malcolm X. But not advocating violence and advocating non-violence as a philosopy, a principle which you will not break under any circumstances are two completely different things.
Point taken.