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PHI.1.618
09-13-2005, 11:11 PM
Easter

The Christian holiday of Easter commemorates the crucifixion of Christ, and his rise from the dead into heaven. Then where do all the symbolism of bunnies, and eggs come from? It's more than coincedence that the early Pagans had a holiday to mark the Spring Equinox, called Ostara, usually celebrated around March 21st. With the return of spring, came the birthing of the farm animals for the year. Which is why we see bunnies, chicks, eggs and little lambs as symbols for this holiday. Part of the Ostara mythology involved the return of various deities from the underworld (symbolic of the end of winter). So it's not surprising that this holiday got enmeshed with the Christian story of the ressurection of Christ.



Christmas

Even non-Pagans use the term "Yule" around the Christmas holidays. Yule is celebrated on the Winter Solstice (December 22nd), on the shortest day of the year. Since the days get longer from this point in the year, Yule is a celebration of the returning sun and the rebirth of the God who died at Hallowe'en. As with Easter, the Christian story of the birth of Jesus fits nicely with the Pagan mythology of a God reborn. Traditions such as wreaths and Yule logs are remnants of the original beliefs. Gifts were exchanged at Yule long before the Wise Men offered their gifts to the baby Jesus.



Groundhog Day

Well, it's not specifically Christian or celebrated as intensely as the two holidays just mentioned, Groundhog Day is still part of the modern-day year. Candlemas (or Imbolc) is celebrated on February 2nd. Because spring is just starting to show itself at this time of year, there were various superstitions about predicting the weather, and how long it would be until the end of winter. The original idea was to watch for a hedgehog, but as people immigrated to North America, the tradition changed to a ground hog to suit local wildlife.



Hallowe'en

Ok, everyone knows that Hallowe'en is a Pagan holiday, but there are many misconceptions surrounding what the holiday really means. Pagans call the day Samhain (SOW-en or sow-EEN). The old God dies on this day, and the Goddess mourns him until his rebirth at Yule. We use this day to honour and remember our loved ones who have passed on. In an effort to diffuse the interest in this heathen holiday, the Church created All Saint's Day (November 1) as a holy day to recognize all the Catholic saints. But it wasn't a powerful enough idea to wipe out the traditional Hallowe'en celebrattions. Ironically, many Christians do not approve of the celebration of Hallowe'en because of its Pagan origins, not realizing that almost all of the holidays they observe had Pagan beginnings.

Why are major Christian holidays layered on older Pagan festivals? The central reason is that as Christianity was struggling for acceptance in Europe, the country-folk would not give up their age-old traditions. By blending the old with the new, it was easier for the Church to convert the locals



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froth
09-13-2005, 11:15 PM
happy easter?

Kennings
09-14-2005, 12:13 PM
Its "Hellenism." My knowledge about Hellenism is broad, which Im trying to read up on it more, you should too. But really the Greeks tried to get many people to conform to their religion. Thats why you see like they said J/C was the son of god. Just like Zeus and Hercules and all those other demi gods. The story is similar, whereas god comes and gives birth to a son through a mortal woman and then his son becoming great amongst everyone.

Like I said, my whole knowlede of it is too broad for me to really break it down, cuz I dont wanna just talk alotta shit pullin it out my ass...but if you read, and maybe someone could help me out by piggy-backing on this, but like I said if you read, through History Christianity just got blended with so much politics and mixed beliefs that its just a blend of religions, beliefs, and customs.

another quick example...You know how most people practice sabbath on the correct day (Friday sundown, until Saturday sundown) well the Christians practice theirs on Sunday because Alexander the Great saw the cross in the sky right in front of the Sun before he won one of his battles, so he worshipped the sun along with Christianity so it became their day of worship.

PHI.1.618
09-14-2005, 01:56 PM
Yeah ....



Egyptian sun disks = The halos of catholic saints

Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horos = The virgin Mary nursing Jesus ...

The pre-christian god Mithras or the son of god was born of Dec 25th, died, was buried in a rock tomb ( like jesus) and resurrected in 3 days...lol..Plus, Dec 25th =- Birth of osiris, adonis and dionysus . etc ...


* Interesting stuff ...

tajeco
09-15-2005, 09:48 PM
Jesus was crusified on a chocolate cross wearing a bunny suit, everyone knows that. The diciples asked if he wanted anything, and he said he wanted some jelly beans. That's a fact.












(please don't ban me, I'm not being stupid, I'm just being slightly facetious)

SubliminaL_tha_7th_BorN
09-16-2005, 12:51 PM
peace.


On point thread...as far as the real posts go.


peace


SubliminaL tha 7th BorN

LORD NOSE
06-11-2009, 12:13 PM
By blending the old with the new, it was easier for the Church to convert the locals



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nice

Ninja
06-11-2009, 12:31 PM
Christmas has many pagan aspects to it.....

As pagens used to worship idols or stones or watever... they also used to worship trees and other things like that... whihc is why a tree is always present at christmass

and as ppl will do with idols and statues, they get dressed up looking nice and pretty.... just like a christmas tree with bulbs and stars.....

and as pagens used to chant to the idols/statues... this also happens with the christmass tree, as families and children will gather around and sing songs ( or chant) infront of the tree...

another thing pagens would do for this idols and statues is that they would offer presents or gifts to the idols and statues (for the gods basically) and in the holiday of christmas, they would put presents under the christmass tree.... like they are offering presents to it....

it can all make sense if you just think a little... you know what i mean??

Rudolf the red nose raindeer!---- this is interesting aswell

Ive read that the story behind this is that...obviously pagens when they worship and stuff they would also dwell into drugs... taking drugs with rituals and shit...

there is a mushroom where the head is red with white spots i think, and when sniffed, it would get you high... and when ppl used to snort... the colour red of the head of the mushroom would rubb off onto the noses of the pagens who used to snort it.... which resulted in a red nose.

and the flying raindeer???

well i think it could be either hillucinations for when they are high or they would see Djinns (Fallen angels)

but....... only God knows!!!

PALEHORSE
06-11-2009, 01:43 PM
christmas got the gift giving tradition from the roman festival of saturn. christmas and easter correlate wityh the winter and summer solstices. the christams tree lights and candles and all is used to light up the darkest day of the year. easter comes from baby.lonian god ishtar who was a fertility god depicted with eggs wrapped around her.

diggy
06-11-2009, 09:02 PM
As pagens used to worship idols or stones or watever...

On another note, so-called 'muslims' worship a stone in Mecca at the Kaaba.


...and as ppl will do with idols and statues, they get dressed up looking nice and pretty...

So-called 'muslims' sometime wear their best outfits to bow down to that stone.

...and as pagens used to chant to the idols/statues...

Yup, so-called 'muslims' do that on the pilgrimage.

...another thing pagens would do for this idols and statues is that they would offer presents or gifts to the idols and statues...

So-called 'muslims' slaughter lambs around the time of pilgrimage.


Nuttin new under the sun.

LORD NOSE
06-11-2009, 09:07 PM
thanks X


i didn't want to point out those things for the millionth time lol


whats funny about all of this is how they will make excuses of how its ok to continue these practices

diggy
06-11-2009, 09:13 PM
Yup.

Just as long as they associate the word Allah with their practices, they deem them ok.

If someone destroyed the Kaaba, many so-called 'muslims' would be upset, cause they really are stone worshippers, not submitters to Al-Quran.

LORD NOSE
06-11-2009, 09:26 PM
and maybe thats why shaytan is able to have his way with them like he's been having -
so many come here and get wrapped up in his culture - selling swine and alcohol to poor peoples in the Ghettos of america - Peace to the True Islam soldiers trying to preserve it and keep the swine off the land

diggy
06-11-2009, 09:40 PM
The top idol-worshiping cities in the world are Mecca and Medina.

Every year, 'muslims' take part in the largest idol-worshiping pilgrimage on earth.

Oh ya, shaitan is playing a similar game he's played effectively with the Christians and Jews - diverting the people from the message and twisting it.

Once he starts the game, it attracts many contestants.

LORD NOSE
06-11-2009, 09:43 PM
Oh ya, shaitan is playing a similar game he's played effectively with the Christians and Jews - diverting the people from the message and twisting it.

Once he starts the game, it spreads to the future generations, unless they investigate and do their own work.




expand on that man

battle?
06-11-2009, 09:45 PM
i always considered all holidays, for a way for, capitalists to get more money..
specially here in the states..
fuckin buy this..
color eggs..=sell eggs.bunny's chocaltes,
scare people..=choclates again, costumes
all these president day, =cheap cars..
the only thing holidays in the states help are children getting out of school..

PALEHORSE
06-11-2009, 09:45 PM
its vecause the roman catholic church started islam in the 3rd century so they could have jeruselum

diggy
06-11-2009, 09:53 PM
Ya, the prophets and messengers sent a pure message that was first opposed. Some accepted it.

But after these prophets and messengers left, they started to play with the scriptures, making them say different things and attributing the man-made changed laws to Allah. The devil encouraged them to do this to the Injeel (what Isa brought) and to the Taurat (what moses brought).

Al-Quran cannot be tampered with for it is protected by Allah. But the shaitain came up with an insidious plan. He told the Arabs to say, "you must understand Arabic to understand Islam" and "The Quran cannot be translated perfectly cuz it loses it's true meaning."

With those statements, the Arabs hold Islam firm in their hand grip and anything they say Islam is or isn't is considered divine.

So they have twisted some Arabic interpretations to mean other things to fool people into:

-doing 'hajj' (this word is misinterpreted)
-doing 'salat'(this word does not mean prayer)
-doing 'zakat'(this word does not mean paying money to people)

and more...


This brings in big bucks for 'hajj'...I heard 'hajj' is one of Saudi Arabias biggest money maker... l!!!


There is more - to much to get into.


It is all covered in a book titled "THE ARAB CONSPIRACIES AGAINST ISLAM"

I put a link of this book in the scriptures - book forum (I think it's called)

diggy
06-22-2009, 04:03 PM
There is nothing new under the sun.

THE W
06-23-2009, 10:11 PM
oh well,

the bible does not endorse any of these holiday practices and doesnt have a date for when jesus was born or when he died.

so blame that on man.

SubConsciousThoughts
06-23-2009, 11:43 PM
Jesus rode a chocolate rabbit to the last supper where they had jelly beans and painted eggs, they then decided to mess with Jesus and hide the eggs all over the place at which point he got mad at Judas and Judas betrayed him due to Jesus smacking him up, in short Jesus was crucified due to Judas hiding Easter eggs.

As far as Christmas is concerned I think we all know Jesus was a fat white man with a beard who used to wear a red suit all the time and give out presents to kids all the time and he did this by travailing house to house with a sled lead by reindeers, he also kept a list on what children were good and bad because he didn't think bad children deserved any toys at all.




...too far?

LORD NOSE
06-23-2009, 11:50 PM
Jesus rode a chocolate rabbit to the last supper where they had jelly beans and painted eggs, they then decided to mess with Jesus and hide the eggs all over the place at which point he got mad at Judas and Judas betrayed him due to Jesus smacking him up, in short Jesus was crucified due to Judas hiding Easter eggs.

As far as Christmas is concerned I think we all know Jesus was a fat white man with a beard who used to wear a red suit all the time and give out presents to kids all the time and he did this by travailing house to house with a sled lead by reindeers, he also kept a list on what children were good and bad because he didn't think bad children deserved any toys at all.






...too far?



sounds about right


but what was his last name ?


claus ?

jesus claus ?

battle?
06-23-2009, 11:54 PM
thank..u

holidays=more money=more sales=more ways to get u under a 20 year loan = death..

SubConsciousThoughts
06-24-2009, 12:02 AM
sounds about right


but what was his last name ?


claus ?

jesus claus ?

Yeah that was his original name but it changed after Mary divorced Joseph taking Jesus with her and married a man named Mr. Santa Clause..Get it? Santa Claus...

LORD NOSE
06-24-2009, 12:17 AM
Yeah that was his original name but it changed after Mary divorced Joseph taking Jesus with her and married a man named Mr. Santa Clause..Get it? Santa Claus...


nah - i don't get it - i heard he really rented her out to some spanish cat named santa by mistake after getting too drunk and once he found out what he did, he just continued cause the money and gifts kept pouring in hence why she was title mary of Magdalen - he used the money to get the latest beat making programs and some turntables and became the worlds greatest MC - get it ? - MC

diggy
06-24-2009, 12:40 AM
Santa is an anagram for SATAN!!!

diggy
07-02-2009, 03:02 PM
^^hahahahah

Black Man
07-02-2009, 03:25 PM
its vecause the roman catholic church started islam in the 3rd century so they could have jeruselum

How could the roman catholic church start Islam when Islam pre-dates the roman catholic church?

diggy
07-02-2009, 03:28 PM
^hahaha

food for thought
07-02-2009, 04:13 PM
^lol


thanks for bumping this.

i was about to search it a few weeks back.