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Ninja
06-02-2009, 07:45 AM
Narrated Abu Hurayrah: Allah's Apostle said:

"The Hour will not be established until two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, until about 30 dajjals appear, and each of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle..."

(Related by Bukhari and Muslim)

The last of these Dajjals would be the False Messiah, Al Masih Ad Dajjal.

Once the Prophet of Allah said, while delivering a ceremonial speech at an occasion of a solar eclipse, as Samura son of Jundub reported:

"...Verily by God, the Last Hour will not come until 30 liars of prophecy will appear and the final one will be the One-eyed False Messiah."

(Narrated by Imam Ahmad as a sound Hadeeth).

In another authentic hadeeth, the Prophet of Allah informed that of 27 dajjals, 4 of them would be women:

Huthaifa narrated, that the Prophet said:

"In my Ummah (community/nation), there are 27 dajjals of liars, including 4 women (who will proclaim themselves Prophets). I am the last Prophet and none will come after me."

(Related by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tabrani as a sound hadeeth)

Therefore, there would be 27-30 Dajjals who would appear, 4 of which would be women and the last of which would be the False Messiah, who the true Messiah, Prophet 'Eessa ("Jesus") would kill. The Prophet of Allah (Prophet Muhammad) already closed the loophole of building a series of Prophets and confirmed the impossibility of any newcomer as a Prophet after him. The dajjals he mentioned that have already appeared are discussed below. As I find more of them, I shall list them:




1. Musailama al-Kazzab: Among the first false claimants to Prophecy was Musailama al-Kazzab, who appeared during the time of Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be blessings and peace) and his Companions and caused numerous troubles among Muslims and had many followers. He eventually surrendered along with his supporters in Al-Yamamah battle, led by the first Caliph Abu Bakr, and was eventually killed.


2. Sajah al-Kahenah: Along with Musailama in falsely claiming Prophethood, was his wife, Sajah al-Kahenah, although she later reversed her position after her husband, Musailama, had been killed.


3. Saf son of Sayyad: Another False claimant to Prophethood that appeared during the time of the Prophet and his companions, was Saf son of Sayyad. He claimed he was a Prophet when he was on the threshold of adolescence, and was initially believed to be the False Messiah, as his characteristics were the same as those of the False Messiah. He later repented and embraced Islam.


4. Tulayha son of Khwailid: Tulayha was another of the false Prophets who appeared during the time of the Prophet and his companions, but later repented and returned to the fold of Islam.


5. Aswad al-Ansi: Also during the time of the Prophet and his companions was another false Prophet, named Aswad al-Ansi. He was based in Yemen and was killed by the Companions of the Prophet.


6. Al-Mukhtar Al-Thaqafi: A Shi’ite rebel, al-Mukhtar son of Abi Ubayd is also accused of being a False Prophet. He claimed to be a representative of the Mahdi. Millennialist connotations surfaced after Mukhtar's rebellion, following his announcement to the people of Kufa that he was a representative of the Mahdi.


7. Mahmud son of al-Faraj: In Samara, a false Prophet by the name of Mahmud son of al-Faraj appeared in 849-850 CE with a claim that a Quran was revealed to him through the angel Gabriel. He is reported to have some followers in Samara and Baghdad. He was executed on the orders of caliph, al-Mutawakkil.


8. "Bab": Another liar/false claimant to prophecy, and the predecessor of Bahaullah, was Mizra Ali Muhammad, who initially declared himself the "Bab" (Gate) to the Shi'ite's Mahdi, and eventually progressed into other claims. He was embraced by the Shaykhis sect of Shi'a Islam, who were then renamed "Babis". Subsequently, he declared himself to be the Shi'ite's hidden Mahdi. After declaring himself the Mahdi, he moved on to call himself Nuqtiyiula and declared that the Quran and Muslim Shari'a were now abrogated. Shi'a and Sunni scholars condemned him and Bab faced a series of imprisonment, trials, and indignities before being shot dead by a firing squad in 1850.


9. "Bahaullah": The self-proclaimed successor to the Bab, and another liar/false claimant to prophecy was Mizra Hussein Ali Nuri. In 1863 Hussein Ali, a prominent member of the Babi group, declared himself to be the person whom God will make manifest, whom the Bab had foretold. He also took the name Bahaullah (Glory of God) and formed a new religion, the Bahai faith. Bahaullah was banished from Persia and was eventually imprisoned in Akka-Palestine. There he wrote his main work, his Kitab-ul-Aqdas (Most Holy Book), and developed the doctrine of the Bahai faith into a comprehensive teaching.


10. Elijah Muhammad: Elijah Muhammad, succeeding Wallace Dodd Fard who claimed to be Allah, was another in the line of False Prophets. He founded the convoluted belief system based on ideas extracted from everything from Christanity to Masonry to Islam in Detroit, Michigan in the 1930s. He referred to it as the "Nation of Islam".


11. Kareem Agha Khan: In the early 1970s, another false-claimant to prophecy appeared within the Ismaili sect of Shi'ism, who proclaims himself to be a manifestation of God on Earth and a spokesman for Allah.


12. Rashid Khalifa: Then we have another False Prophet, Rashid Khalifa, who came from Egypt, and claimed there to be an intricate numerical pattern to the Qur'an revolving around the number 19 in 1974. Because of this, he claimed to be a Messenger of God, alongside Prophets Ibraheem (Abraham) and Muhammad, and founded the group called "United Submitters International", rejecting the hadeeths of the Prophet, and denounced ayats 9:128-129 of the Qur'an. For many years he was the Imam at the Tuscon Mosque in Arizona, where he was later stabbed to death in 1990.


13. Al Mizra Abbas: Another liar, Al-Mizra Abbas, in 1233 AH/1818 CE, appeared in Tehran, Iran and died in Palestine.


14. Shabbatai Zevi: Shabbatai Zevi was one of the False Prophets who appeared during a desperate period of Ashkenazi Jewish history in the 16th and 17th centuries, promising to lead his compatriots out of tzuresdike golus (painful exile) to dwell with the Lord in Eretz Yisroel (the land of Israel). It neither turned out as prophesised, nor did the high hopes of the Jewish colonies in Brazil.


15. Saleh son of Tarif Burghwati: Saleh claimed prophethood and Mahdihood in 125 AH. After ruling over his people for 47 years, in 174 AH he abdicated the throne in favour of his son.


16. Abu Mansoor 'Eessa: Abu Mansoor 'Eessa claimed prophethood and Mahdihood in 341 AH and ruled over his people for 28 years.


17. Al-Harith son of Sa'id: Al-Harith son of Said claimed prophethood during the reign of the Umayyad caliph, Abd al-Malik son of Marwan. A number of royal soldiers were suspected of supporting him. He was executed in 698-699 CE.


18. Mizra Ghulam Ahmad: Mizra Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian is a British-engineered false Prophet who appeared in India to quell resistance against the British colonialists. He claimed to be the Messiah as the similitude of Prophet 'Eessa, the Mahdi, a Prophet, a Messenger, and the second advent of Prophet Muhammad simultaneously. He invited his fiercest oppenent, Molvi Sanaullah Amratsari, to a prayer duel. He advertised his supplication to Allah pleading Him to annihilate the liar amongst the two in the lifetime of the truthful one, by Cholera or by Plague. He considered them to be the sign of Divine Anger and Punishment. Mirza subsequently died of cholera a year later.


19. Muhammad son of Sa'id: Muhammad son of Sa’id is considered as one of the four infamous forgers of hadith. He distorted the hadith: "I am the seal of prophets and there is no prophet after me" by adding: "unless Allah wills {otherwise}". He is reported to have drawn his own conclusions from this addition and claimed prophethood for himself. He was executed on the orders of Abbasid caliph, Abu Jafar al-Mansoor.


20. Mohammed Ahmad: who declared himself the Mahdi in 1881, defeated the Ottoman Egyptian authority, and founded a short-lived empire in Sudan.


21. Jasmin?: A more recent individual who has appeared, and could potentially be a False Claimant to Prophecy is Jasmin. He appeared in 1998 in Bosnia, claiming the War of Bosnia and Herzegovina was the Battle of Armageddon, and claims that he is the Messiah, tasked by God to introduce the human community into the "golden age", and claims that his destiny has been described under the symbol and notion of a lamb.


22. Dr. Dwight York: Another fairly recent false claimant to prophecy was Dr. York. In the late 1960s York, started calling himself "Amunnnubi Rooakhptah," and founded various quasi-Muslim black-nationalist movements (among these was the Ansaarullah Community) based on something called the "Science of Nuwaubu". In the 1990s, he changed his community from worshipping Allah to worshipping pagan idols. Soon thereafter, he claimed to receive divine revelation, forming his own cult of Nuwaubians, following, what they call, "The Holy Tablets", with beliefs, based on pantheism, with an anthropomorphic view of Allah. In 2002, he was arrested and charged with child molestation. In 2004, he was convicted, and sentenced to 135 years in prison.


23. Riyaz Ahmad Gohar Shahi: Another claimant to Mahdihood and prophecy, is Gohar Shahi. He was born in 1941 in the Indian sub-continent. He had a traditional Sufi upbringing, and at age 34 he went on a 3 year spiritual retreat (which he says to have been under the guidance of a "divine spirit") into the mountains of Sehwan Sharif. Afterwards, he returned (claiming it to have been commanded by God), and started to preach his message of "Remembrance and Love of God", disregarding religion and its practices, also claiming that his image is implanted on the moon, gaining a significant number of followers. The Ulema have since issued various fatwas against him.

24. Joseph Smith Jr.:was the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, also known as Mormonism, and an important religious and political figure during the 1830s and 1840s in the United States. He claimed to have seen a vision of Jesus and the Father and later made contact with a Angel called Moroni. He was later assassinated by a anti-mormon mob.

25. Sathya Sai Baba: born Sathyanarayana Raju on November 23, 1926 with the family name of "Ratnakaram", is a controversial South Indian guru, described by his followers as a God-man and miracle worker. He claimed to be the re-incarnation of a Indian Sufi saint Sai Baba. The Sathya Sai Organization reports an estimated 1,200 Sathya Sai Baba Centers in 114 countries worldwide. He is still alive.

26. Jim Jones: was the founder of the Peoples Temple, which is best known for the November 18, 1978 death of over 900 Temple members in Jonestown, Guyana along with the deaths of nine other people at a nearby airstrip in Georgetown. He claimed to have been a God re-incarnate. He shot himself in the head after poisoning his followers and killing a visiting congressman.

27. Rael: leader of the Raelian Movement (born 30 September 1946); Rael took on his mission as Messiah in 1973 after a claimed meeting with an extraterrestrial being.

28. Nirmala Srivastava: guru and goddess of Sahaja Yoga, has proclaimed herself to be the Comforter promised by Jesus ie the incarnation of the Holy Ghost (Adi Shakti).

29. L. Ron Hubbard March 13, 1911 – January 24, 1986) was an American writer of science fiction, who also devised a self-help system called Dianetics, which was first published in 1950. He founded the religion of Scientology.


Feel free to add. NOT ALL OF THE CLAIMANTS claim to be Messengers and Messiahs. SOME CLAIM TO BE GOD HIMSELF.

the Prophet pbuh said, each of the 30 Dajjals will claim to be Messengers of Allah.

If you have more to add to this list. Please add.

LORD NOSE
06-02-2009, 12:03 PM
everyone that comes will be considered the fake messiah
just like jesus wasn't recognized

you can tell who the messiah is by the results of his work



this person Abu Hurayrah - claims that these men are false prophets - but his name is followed by this

Allah's Apostle

who will be able to recognize the messiah ?

who will understand him ?

Mr. Muhammad
06-02-2009, 02:13 PM
Salaam (Peace) to all...

Narrated Abu Hurayrah: Allah's Apostle said:

"The Hour will not be established until two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, until about 30 dajjals appear, and each of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle..."
Could these "two big groups...following the same religious doctrine" be the SHIITES and SUNNIS?

The Hon. Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam are neither "Shiite" nor "Sunni". These are, indeed, INVENTIONS of men...NOT the Path of the Prophet (PBUH).

And, incidentally, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad never claimed to be a "Prophet"(Nabi)...but the MESSENGER(Rasul) of Allah!

Huthaifa narrated, that the Prophet said:

"In my Ummah (community/nation), there are 27 dajjals of liars, including 4 women (who will proclaim themselves Prophets). I am the last Prophet and none will come after me."

(Related by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tabrani as a sound hadeeth)

Ok...we can believe what "Huthaifa", "Imam Ahmad" and "Al-Tabrani" said, ...OR...

We can believe what ALLAH has said in the HOLY QUR'AN:

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YUSUFALI: We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.

PICKTHAL: And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise.

SHAKIR: And We did not send any messenger but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly; then Allah makes whom He pleases err and He guides whom He pleases and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

M.M.ALI: And We sent no messenger but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly. Then Allah leaves in error whom He pleases and He guides whom He pleases. And He is the Mighty, the Wise.

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YUSUFALI: Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an messenger (to give warning).

PICKTHAL: Whosoever goeth right, it is only for (the good of) his own soul that he goeth right, and whosoever erreth, erreth only to its hurt. No laden soul can bear another's load, We never punish until we have sent a messenger.

SHAKIR: Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger.

M.M.ALI: Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray. And no bearer of a burden can bear the burden of another. Nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger.



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YUSUFALI: If (We had) not (sent thee to the Quraish),- in case a calamity should seize them for (the deeds) that their hands have sent forth, they might say: "Our Lord! why didst Thou not sent us a messenger? We should then have followed Thy Signs and been amongst those who believe!"

PICKTHAL: Otherwise, if disaster should afflict them because of that which their own hands have sent before (them), they might say: Our Lord! Why sentest Thou no messenger unto us, that we might have followed Thy revelations and been of the believers?

SHAKIR: And were it not that there should befall them a disaster for what their hands have sent before, then they should say: Our Lord! why didst Thou not send to us a messenger so that we should have followed Thy communications and been of the believers !

M.M.ALI: And lest, if a disaster should befall them for what their hands have sent before, they should say: Our Lord, why didst Thou not send to us a messenger so that we might have followed Thy messages and been of the believers?




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YUSUFALI: Nor was thy Lord the one to destroy a population until He had sent to its centre a messenger, rehearsing to them Our Signs; nor are We going to destroy a population except when its members practise iniquity.

PICKTHAL: And never did thy Lord destroy the townships, till He had raised up in their mother(-town) a messenger reciting unto them Our revelations. And never did We destroy the townships unless the folk thereof were evil-doers.

SHAKIR: And your Lord never destroyed the towns until He raised in their metropolis a messenger, reciting to them Our communications, and We never destroyed the towns except when their people were unjust.

M.M.ALI: And thy Lord never destroyed the towns, until He had raised in their metropolis a messenger, reciting to them Our messages, and We never destroyed the towns except when their people were iniquitous.



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YUSUFALI: By command, from Our Presence. For We (ever) send (revelations),

PICKTHAL: As a command from Our presence - Lo! We are ever sending -

SHAKIR: A command from Us; surely We are the senders (of messengers),

M.M.ALI: A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —

It seems that all four translators tend to agree, in their translations, that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) of 1,400 years ago could not have been the LAST Prophet or Messenger from Allah to Man and Mankind.

We have to be careful not to exalt "commentary" ABOVE "Divine Revelation".

Aside from that, I agree with SUNNY...The Messiah (and the Anti-Christ) will eventually be known by His WORKS...not by any vague historical account (hear-say).

RM

Cee Oh Vee
06-02-2009, 05:43 PM
this person Abu Hurayrah - claims that these men are false prophets - but his name is followed by this

You have grossly misunderstood.

The colon ( : ) proceeding his (Abu Hurayra [may Allah be pleased with him]) name indicates 'from him'.

As in "Abu Hurayra reported that Allah's Apostle (meaning Muhammad [may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him]) said..."

I hope you now understand.

Cee Oh Vee
06-02-2009, 05:52 PM
Salaam (Peace) to all...


Could these "two big groups...following the same religious doctrine" be the SHIITES and SUNNIS?

The Hon. Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam are neither "Shiite" nor "Sunni". These are, indeed, INVENTIONS of men...NOT the Path of the Prophet (PBUH).

And, incidentally, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad never claimed to be a "Prophet"(Nabi)...but the MESSENGER(Rasul) of Allah!



Ok...we can believe what "Huthaifa", "Imam Ahmad" and "Al-Tabrani" said, ...OR...

We can believe what ALLAH has said in the HOLY QUR'AN:

















It seems that all four translators tend to agree, in their translations, that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) of 1,400 years ago could not have been the LAST Prophet or Messenger from Allah to Man and Mankind.

We have to be careful not to exalt "commentary" ABOVE "Divine Revelation".

Aside from that, I agree with SUNNY...The Messiah (and the Anti-Christ) will eventually be known by His WORKS...not by any vague historical account (hear-say).

RM

Peace.

Now, I have read many of your posts and I have not commented on them whether I agree or disagree with what you have said. But I have already posted on this thread so I feel the need to say something.

In the Name of Allah;

Whether or not Elijah said he was a prophet, if he said he was a messenger of Allah, he was mistaken. Allah makes it perfectly clear that Muhammad is the final Prophet and Messenger.

That is all that needs saying. No doubt you will disagree with me somehow, and I will disagree with you but Alhamdulillah. That's by Allah - I just felt obliged to say what I have said.

Peace.

LORD NOSE
06-02-2009, 08:45 PM
You have grossly misunderstood.

The colon ( : ) proceeding his (Abu Hurayra [may Allah be pleased with him]) name indicates 'from him'.

As in "Abu Hurayra reported that Allah's Apostle (meaning Muhammad [may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him]) said..."

I hope you now understand.


yes - i see now - i was in error

thank you


Peace.

Now, I have read many of your posts and I have not commented on them whether I agree or disagree with what you have said. But I have already posted on this thread so I feel the need to say something.

In the Name of Allah;

Whether or not Elijah said he was a prophet, if he said he was a messenger of Allah, he was mistaken. Allah makes it perfectly clear that Muhammad is the final Prophet and Messenger.

That is all that needs saying. No doubt you will disagree with me somehow, and I will disagree with you but Alhamdulillah. That's by Allah - I just felt obliged to say what I have said.

Peace.

did you not read his post ?

diggy
06-02-2009, 09:16 PM
Abu Hurayrah was a prolific liar. It is reported that Hurayrah was with Prophet Muhammad for only 3 years (the last three years of Muhammad's life) and produced of falsehood hadith (stories) that are too much to count attributed to Muhammad.

Some of the hadith are nonsensical like the promotion of dog killings, warnings against not wearing a beard and many more foolishness.

So-called 'muslims' who follow hadith are in ignorance and deception for hadith was NOT authorized as a book of guidance. Many 'muslims' do not and cannot quote the Quran revealed to Muhammad, but rather quote hadith which has nothing to do with Islam.

If one wants to understand what a hypocrite is from the perspective of the Quran, one could look at those who call themselves 'sunni' and 'shia' and other sects that divide, label, and fight others.


Take heed:




[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with
you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform
them of everything they had done.






[30:32] (Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide
their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what
they have.






[42:14] Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the
knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and
resentment among themselves. If it were not for a
predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for
a definite interim, they would have been judged
immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited
the scripture are full of doubts.

LORD NOSE
06-02-2009, 10:54 PM
greatness

Cee Oh Vee
06-03-2009, 08:01 AM
yes - i see now - i was in error

thank you

You're most welcome, Alhamdulillah.


did you not read his post ?

Yes, I did. Was my post irrelevant?

Abu Hurayrah was a prolific liar. It is reported that Hurayrah was with Prophet Muhammad for only 3 years (the last three years of Muhammad's life) and produced of falsehood hadith (stories) that are too much to count attributed to Muhammad.

Some of the hadith are nonsensical like the promotion of dog killings, warnings against not wearing a beard and many more foolishness.

So-called 'muslims' who follow hadith are in ignorance and deception for hadith was NOT authorized as a book of guidance. Many 'muslims' do not and cannot quote the Quran revealed to Muhammad, but rather quote hadith which has nothing to do with Islam.

If one wants to understand what a hypocrite is from the perspective of the Quran, one could look at those who call themselves 'sunni' and 'shia' and other sects that divide, label, and fight others.


Take heed:




[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with
you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform
them of everything they had done.






[30:32] (Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide
their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what
they have.






[42:14] Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the
knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and
resentment among themselves. If it were not for a
predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for
a definite interim, they would have been judged
immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited
the scripture are full of doubts.

Peace.

I agree with you in a lot of what you have said in terms of hadith.

Now, it is important to understand that there is a science to the hadith and if one is not familiar with it, it is very dangerous to quote ahadith.

If one does not know the lineage of a hadith and whether or not it is solid and trustworthy, it should not be followed. Many muslims do not understand this.

Peace.

PS. Are you diggy?

LORD NOSE
06-03-2009, 01:22 PM
Yes, I did. Was my post irrelevant?

no - however, we go by what the results have been and continue to be

we know what prophets and messengers do -

to say to someone that they cannot be a messenger of Allah, because a book that you believe is the very word of god says that there will be no more messengers is foolish when that person is doing what messengers of Allah do and accomplish - Muhammad was the last prophet - and after him, Allah himself was to come -

what is the traditional idea of the appearance of the Mahdi at the end times ?

what do Muslims say the Mahdi will accomplish ?


why does Allah need to send a Mahdi to us in these times ?

what is a Mahdi ?


Peace

Cee Oh Vee
06-03-2009, 02:06 PM
no - however, we go by what the results have been and continue to be

we know what prophets and messengers do -

to say to someone that they cannot be a messenger of Allah, because a book that you believe is the very word of god says that there will be no more messengers is foolish when that person is doing what messengers of Allah do and accomplish - Muhammad was the last prophet - and after him, Allah himself was to come -

what is the traditional idea of the appearance of the Mahdi at the end times ?

what do Muslims say the Mahdi will accomplish ?


why does Allah need to send a Mahdi to us in these times ?

what is a Mahdi ?


Peace

Peace.

Why do you have this notion that Allah was to show himself in this life? We will all meet him.

Why are you asking me about the Mahdi?

Peace and blessings.

Mr. Muhammad
06-03-2009, 02:27 PM
Salaam (Peace)...

Peace. Why do you have this notion that Allah was to show himself in this life? We will all meet him...

Why do you refer to Allah as "him"?

RM

LORD NOSE
06-03-2009, 02:49 PM
Peace.

Why do you have this notion that Allah was to show himself in this life? We will all meet him.


look at your question close - think hard


Why are you asking me about the Mahdi?

Peace and blessings.

why not ?

Ninja
06-03-2009, 02:53 PM
The term "MAHDI" is a title meaning "The Guided one". Mahdi is a normal man who is going to follow the true Islam. His name will be Muhammad and his father name will be 'Abdullah. He is a descendant from Ali and Fatima (daughter of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) so he will be descendant from al-Hasan or al-Husain. Mahdi will be very just and his capital will be Damascus. Allah told us that Jews will master the world two times and Mahdi will appear between those two periods and will rule through the last one. Mahdi is NOT a prophet but he is the final Rightly Guided Khalifa. Mahdi will lead Muslims to a great victory against the Christian Romans (i.e. All the white Europeans including the Americans). This great war is called al-Malhamah al-Kubrah or Armageddon. It will end up with a great victory to Muslims against Romans after six years. Muslims will take over their capital Rome (this can be any city). In the seventh year, the Anticrist will apear and a greater war will start between Jews and Muslims for 40 days (longer that usual days) and will end when Jesus (pbuh) will come and Muslims will kill all Jews. All people will convert into Islam. Peace will pervade the whole world.

LORD NOSE
06-03-2009, 03:01 PM
The term "MAHDI" is a title meaning "The Guided one". Mahdi is a normal man who is going to follow the true Islam. His name will be Muhammad and his father name will be 'Abdullah. He is a descendant from Ali and Fatima (daughter of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) so he will be descendant from al-Hasan or al-Husain.


where is this information from ?

and who is it from ?

. Allah told us that Jews will master the world two times and Mahdi will appear between those two periods and will rule through the last one.


where did Allah say this ?

Mahdi is NOT a prophet but he is the final Rightly Guided Khalifa. Mahdi will lead Muslims to a great victory against the Christian Romans (i.e. All the white Europeans including the Americans). This great war is called al-Malhamah al-Kubrah or Armageddon. It will end up with a great victory to Muslims against Romans after six years. Muslims will take over their capital Rome (this can be any city). In the seventh year, the Anticrist will apear and a greater war will start between Jews and Muslims for 40 days (longer that usual days) and will end when Jesus (pbuh) will come and Muslims will kill all Jews. All people will convert into Islam. Peace will pervade the whole world.


who told you all of this ?

Ninja
06-03-2009, 03:12 PM
^^^^^Why?? are you saying the information provided is incorrect or false?

Cee Oh Vee
06-03-2009, 03:27 PM
Salaam (Peace)...



Why do you refer to Allah as "him"?

RM

Peace.

The word Allāh is masculine.

Cee Oh Vee
06-03-2009, 03:31 PM
look at your question close - think hard

I made a mistake in the question, I meant to say has instead of was.


why not ?

It is considered impolite to answer a question with a question.

Anyway; for the purpose of the discussion I will excuse that and proceed. ( :P )

There is no reason why you shouldn't; however I am not knowledgeable with regards to the Mahdi nor are your questions relevant to the topic at hand.

Peace.

LORD NOSE
06-03-2009, 03:43 PM
^^^^^Why?? are you saying the information provided is incorrect or false?

why ?


because who would know for sure what the name of the mahdis father will be ?

no - i'm not saying that the information is incorrect or false - thats not what i'm saying

LORD NOSE
06-03-2009, 03:43 PM
Peace.

The word Allāh is masculine.

give us another masculine word

LORD NOSE
06-03-2009, 03:49 PM
It is considered impolite to answer a question with a question.

there will be plenty of impoliteness going on then - are you ready for that ?



Anyway; for the purpose of the discussion I will excuse that and proceed. ( :P )




There is no reason why you shouldn't; however I am not knowledgeable with regards to the Mahdi nor are your questions relevant to the topic at hand.

Peace.


if you are not knowledgeable with regards to the Mahdi, how can you then say that my questions are not relevant to the topic at hand ?

i asked you the questions for a reason

you ask people who are knowledgeable or who think that they are knowledgeable, questions - this is a way that knowledge is shared - when asking me a question, i might follow your question with a another question for you to answer - sometimes i have to know where you stand in order for me to answer your question properly -

Mr. Muhammad
06-03-2009, 05:01 PM
Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad

Salaam (Peace)...

Why do you refer to Allah as "him"?

RM

Peace.

The word Allāh is masculine.

Salaam...and thank you for your response.

masculine:
{c.1374, "belonging to the male sex," from O.Fr. masculin "of the male sex," from L. masculinus "male, of masculine gender," from masculus, dim. of mas (gen. maris) "male person, male," of unknown origin. Grammatical sense first recorded c.1380. Meaning "having the appropriate qualities of the male sex, manly, virile, powerful" is first attested 1629.}
–adjective
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a man or men: masculine attire.
2. having qualities traditionally ascribed to men, as strength and boldness.
3. Grammar. noting or pertaining to the gender of Latin, Greek, German, French, Spanish, Hebrew, etc., which has among its members most nouns referring to males, as well as other nouns, as Spanish dedo, “finger,” German Bleistift, “pencil.”

Now, using the mathematical principle of substitution, we can restate the comment "The word Allah is masculine", in this way:

The word Allah is...

1. pertaining to or characteristic of a man or men: masculine attire.
2. having qualities traditionally ascribed to men, as strength and boldness.
3. Grammar. noting or pertaining to the gender of Latin, Greek, German, French, Spanish, Hebrew, etc., which has among its members most nouns referring to males, as well as other nouns, as Spanish dedo, “finger,” German Bleistift, “pencil.”

So, then, are we to conclude that ALLAH - that Being to Whom the word refers - is "Masculine"?

If not, why not?

RM