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LORD NOSE
06-06-2009, 04:49 PM
and What are some noticeable symptoms of these conditions ?


Pat...stay out of the discussion

ALCATRAZ
06-06-2009, 04:53 PM
after reading the souls of black folk i finally understood why slavery affects black people every second of every hour of every day

... we have every right to complain

LORD NOSE
06-06-2009, 05:01 PM
after reading the souls of black folk i finally understood why slavery affects black people every second of every hour of every day

... we have every right to complain


man - i see the symptoms in the people i love

the dis - ease is so clear to me

self hatred is a very big deal

its a part of what keeps us holding them up on high ground while black booting ourselves and our people to the concrete -
i see mothers emasculating their young boys - making them docile and feminine as to not cause those in authority to see us as aggressive and a threat to their establishment - and that's a very small portion of the mess we are in

Krusha
06-06-2009, 05:05 PM
after reading the souls of black folk i finally understood why slavery affects black people every second of every hour of every day

... we have every right to complain

Alex Haleys book called The Roots gaved me that same understanding.....
I have to go and buy the souls of black folk!!!

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-06-2009, 06:03 PM
it's weird, i know that 'do black people have a right to complain about the conditions slavery left them in' has a better connotation to it than 'do black people milk slavery?'; it's still the same basic topic. (I don't think 'black people' do at all, there was no reparations as any kind from the US government for slavery in either money, land or property, so really, how could it be said to be milked at all? Indian's got reservations lol and Jews got Israel at least, but does land and money really make up for genocide? it's basically, 'we'll recognize you as human beings now that we've killed millions of you. you can even start a casino' yes i did just smoke lol pat and sunny you both suck lol i don't think any ethnic group can milk genocide, and i would consider the trans-atlantic slave trade and slavery in america as genocide over an extended period i mean, how many people died without an historical record it's probably off the charts

djskillz
06-06-2009, 07:25 PM
it's weird, i know that 'do black people have a right to complain about the conditions slavery left them in' has a better connotation to it than 'do black people milk slavery?'; it's still the same basic topic. (I don't think 'black people' do at all, there was no reparations as any kind from the US government for slavery in either money, land or property, so really, how could it be said to be milked at all? Indian's got reservations lol and Jews got Israel at least, but does land and money really make up for genocide? it's basically, 'we'll recognize you as human beings now that we've killed millions of you. you can even start a casino' yes i did just smoke lol pat and sunny you both suck lol i don't think any ethnic group can milk genocide, and i would consider the trans-atlantic slave trade and slavery in america as genocide over an extended period i mean, how many people died without an historical record it's probably off the charts

I was gonna post but after reading this there's not really a need to. The exact same thing I was thinking. Props.

Mumm Ra
06-06-2009, 07:54 PM
i see mothers emasculating their young boys - making them docile and feminine as to not cause those in authority to see us as aggressive and a threat to their establishment - and that's a very small portion of the mess we are in
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LORD NOSE
06-06-2009, 08:10 PM
thats sad ^

netscape check two
06-06-2009, 09:03 PM
He'll probably pick up a lot of broads at the clubs when he gets older, with the dance skills.

LORD NOSE
06-06-2009, 09:27 PM
He'll probably pick up a lot of broads at the clubs when he gets older, with the dance skills.


the way he's dancing he'll probally pick up men

Olive Oil Goombah
06-06-2009, 09:42 PM
there comes a point when you can't blaim other people during the past and present for things that you yourself can control.


Although with the way black people act as opposed to every other group in America, its obvious that there is something wrong with them, and it probably is the result of what has happened because they are a fucked up culture.

ANd i dont mean that as an insult....its the truth. THey seem undisciplined and careless, reckless, no regard for themselves or others around them. No respect for anybody. And they wear it like a badge.

speakonitgod is a computerized example of this. They start to believe that they are useless pieces of shit and act accordingly.


The whole mentality that certain signs of success or ways of acting decently are 'white' things is a result of slavery. A direct result.



I personally think the United States is more and more fucked the more diverse it gets because people will always be with their group and one group will always be at the mercy of another.

This is the exact reason why so many countries wanted autonomy last century continuing into this one.

How long AMerican society can hold up is a testament I guess to how well other groups can assimilate and get along.


But back to blacks, I kind liken it to an abused kid who has become addicted to drugs. He has a hard time facing his past, is embarassed and angry about it, feels helpless and has no direction, essentially hates himself and his existence so he resorts to deviance and lashes out against society which has been shit and given him shit.

What can you say to that? You have to enlighten them. You have to put things in perspective for them. They have to realize that the have a problem, and its not helping them or anyone around them.

Denial. Its similar to the AA steps.

diggy
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Slavery is over.

Black people should solve their problems rather than complain.

A problem with some black people is they never really grow up.

Some are physically grown, but emotionally and mentally handicapped.

The problem black people have is our problem and we must fix it.

LORD NOSE
06-06-2009, 09:54 PM
The problem black people have is our problem and we must fix it.

so true

no one else is gonna do it

and its not up to no one else to fix us

we are so messed up that we cannot see properly those of us who are fixed and striving to repair themselves and their people

OB4CL2
06-06-2009, 11:13 PM
i think if slavery never existed, there would probably be almost no black people in america and if there was, they wouldn't be violent like most people see them as. they have every right to complain. but it's kind of stupid...

LORD NOSE
06-07-2009, 12:09 AM
i think if slavery never existed, there would probably be almost no black people in america and if there was, they wouldn't be violent like most people see them as. they have every right to complain. but it's kind of stupid...


many of us were here

we got killed off

then they went and got some more of us from africa

ALCATRAZ
06-07-2009, 01:52 AM
blacks were the first non natives to touch this land

RALPH WIGGUM
06-07-2009, 06:52 AM
Alex Haleys book called The Roots gaved me that same understanding.....
I have to go and buy the souls of black folk!!!

Yeah Roots is a very good book. Everybody who hasn't read it yet should.

On topic, it seems to me like the answer is kind of obvious. Has there been any worthy reparations for slavery?
Everybody got the right to complain as long as they got a good reason, and as long as they know what they're complaining about, that's what's important. If you just complain about white people, the complaint is useless, but if you know the basic causes that produce the problems you face, then you can complain and you can do something about it.

Mr. Muhammad
06-08-2009, 02:55 PM
Salaam...

Yes, we do have a reason to complain about the Conditions that Slavery has left our people in, and that the popular culture perpetuates.

More importantly, though, we have a RESPONSIBILITY to DO SOMETHING to CHANGE said conditions.

I don't agree that slavery is "over". I think it's more in effect NOW than ever before! If I have to threaten you with pain and death to get you to do my bidding, you're not really my "slave", but my "prisoner". However, when I can remove the whip and gun from view, and just make a suggestion, and you gladly carry it out...THEN you are my SLAVE!

Today, we WILLINGLY carry out the bidding of our slave masters...(those that do)...and THAT makes us bigger "slaves" than we EVER were in the past...in my opinion.

RM

Black Man
06-08-2009, 05:56 PM
Slavery is over.

Black people should solve their problems rather than complain.

A problem with some black people is they never really grow up.

Some are physically grown, but emotionally and mentally handicapped.

The problem black people have is our problem and we must fix it.

When did slavery end, and for who?

Who qualifies as black?

What do you have to say about the black people outside of the united states...they too were in slavery?

Black Man
06-08-2009, 06:00 PM
Salaam...

Yes, we do have a reason to complain about the Conditions that Slavery has left our people in, and that the popular culture perpetuates.

More importantly, though, we have a RESPONSIBILITY to DO SOMETHING to CHANGE said conditions.

I don't agree that slavery is "over". I think it's more in effect NOW than ever before! If I have to threaten you with pain and death to get you to do my bidding, you're not really my "slave", but my "prisoner". However, when I can remove the whip and gun from view, and just make a suggestion, and you gladly carry it out...THEN you are my SLAVE!

Today, we WILLINGLY carry out the bidding of our slave masters...(those that do)...and THAT makes us bigger "slaves" than we EVER were in the past...in my opinion.

RM

What's different now in comparison to then?

Today "we're" willingly carry out the bidding of the slave masters and the same was true yesterday and the day before.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-08-2009, 06:12 PM
AIGHT YO CHECK ME OUT...WE GOT A RIGHT AND HAVE MANY REASONS TO COMPLAIN....BUT THATS NOT ALL WE SHOULD DO...FIRST OFF...OB4, SLAVERY DEFINATLEY EXISTED, THEIR WERE SO MANY OF US ON THE PLANET ITS REDICULOUS...IN THE BILLIONS...OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, N MILLIONS WERE MURDERED BY EUROPEANS, AND WE WERE VERY WISE, INTELLECTUAL, PEACEFUL HUMAN BEINGS....EVER READ THE WILLIE LYNCH LETTER??....SLAVERY ACTUALLY STARTED OFF IN 1442 WHEN TWELVE AFRICANS WERE KIDNAPPED AND AND TO THE PRINCE OF PORUGUAL AS A MUTHAFUKIN' GIFT(WHAT THE FUCK RIGHT??

NOT EVEN GETTIN' IN TO THAT...BUT IF U WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SLAVE TRADE THAT WENT ON FOR 400 YEARS OF ENSLAVING, KILLING, RAPING, AND EVEN FORCED BREEDING JUS TO CREATE MORE SLAVES SO THAT SLAVERY OF AFRICANS WOULD EXIST FOR A LONG TIME(DO YA KNOWLEDGE DAWG...IM TELLIN U)...NOW...EUROPEANS EXPLORERS CAME TO AFRICA AND THEY SEE "THESE PEOPLE" WHO DONT SPEAK ENGLISH...WHY??(CUZ THEY'RE NOT FROM ENGLEND(EUROPE)...THEY WORE DIFFERENT CLOTHES...WHY?? CUZ THE WERE NOT OF EUROPEAN CULTURE, THEY HAD THEIR OWN CULTURE(AFRICAN CULTURE MUTHAFUKA".....THEY CALLED THEM ANIMALS BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR OWN CIVILIZATION...THEIR OWN LANGUAGE THEY ATE ANIMALS AND HERBS...WHY?? CUZ THEY LIVED IN THEY JUNGLE(WHERE THE EUROPEANS HAPPEN TO HIT AT THE SHORE JUST "EXPLORING THE WORLD"....THIS WAS ABOUT THE TIME WHEN EUROPEANS STOLE THE IDEA OF GUNZ AND USED THEM FOR THEIR OWN BENIFIT, SO THEY HAD MASS WEOPONTRY WHERE THE AFRICAN SOILDERS HAD THEIR WEOPON WHICH THEY NORMALLY JUST USED TO HUNT SO THEY CAN EAT AND LIVE AND FEED THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN ECT.....SO THE EUROPEAN LIFESTYLE WAS WEIRD TO THEM ALSO AND WEOPONS WERE NO MATCH FOR THEIR FIREPOWER...FEEL ME...DON'T BELIEVE ME DO YA KNOWLEDGE......THE AFRICANS HAD THEIR OWN LEADERS, KINGS, ARMY, KNOWLEDGE, ECT...WHICH THEY HAD A PLACE TO LIVE TAKE CARE OF ONE ANOTHER RAISE THEIR YOUNG.....THEIR OWN CULTURE...SINCE THE EUROPEANS DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND THOUGHT THEY "STUPID", "UNCIVILIZED",(WHICH THEY EVENTUALLY FOUND OUT WAS FALSE)...THEY FIGURED SHIT...."THESE ARE UNCIVILIZED ANIMALS...NOT EVEN HUMAN...SEE LOOK THEY DRESS FUNNY, TALK FUNNY, LOOK FUNNY, U KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO??...TAKE THEM AS SLAVES AND TRADE AND AUCTION THEM OFF FOR WEALTH AND FOR SLAVES AND KILL THE ONES WHO PUT UP TOO MUCH OF A FIGHT..."BLA BLA BLA YALL KNO THE FUKIN REST.....THEY EVENTUALLY GET SOLD OR TRADED, TREATED LIKE SHIT....ENSLAVED....ON PLANTATION DOING WORK FOR THE WHITE MAN....(NOT I'M NOT RACIST I JUST KNOW THIS AND UNDERSTAND THIS AND EVENTUALLY TO EXCEPT THAT IT HAPPENED BUT NOT FORGIVE NOBODY)....THE WILLIE LYNCH LETTER STATED A PLAN OF CREATING A SLAVE AND KILLING SLAVES....AND TREATIN THEM LIKE SHIT TO MAKE THEM FEAR THEM AND DO THEIR SLAVE WORK....U KNOW HOW MANY AFRICANS WERE BURT FOR ENTERTAINMENT TO THE WHITE FOLK...(DO THE KNOWLEGE)......DO U KNOW HOW MANY AFRICANS WERE HUNG(LYNCHED) FOR NO REASON WHAT SO EVER,"CUZ THEY WERE SUBHUMAN UNCIVILIZED ANIMALS"??...NO BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY TOLD U AND THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT U TO BELIEVE.....SO THEY KEPT SAILIN TO AFRICA TO GATHER MORE "SLAVES" AND STUFF IN A BOUT AND MAKE THEY MONEY.....I'M TELLIN U DAWG DO THE KNOWLEGE.....I CAN GO ON FOREVER TELLIN U REASON WHY WE PEOPLE AFRICAN DESCENT CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE TO OUR ANCESTERS...THAT FULL ERA IS A MAJOR REASON WHY BLACKS NOWADAYS HAVE NO MORALS OR NO DESCIPLINE BECAUSE THEIR ANSCESTERS WERE PURPOSELY MADE STUPID SO THEY COULDN'T TEACH THEIR CHILDEREN....AND IT AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A DOMINO EFFECT...LIKE WHEN U HAD NO RIGHTS ALL THRU AMERICA WELL THRU THE 90s AND WHERE SHOT DOWN EFFECT AS WE TRIDE TO BE CIVILIZED THURU MALCOM X AND MARTIN LUTHER KING....AND CAN'T DRINK OUT OF FOUNTAINS AND CAN'T GO TO GOOD SCHOOLS.....WHICH BLACKS STILL WASN'T ABLE TO GET A PROPER EDUCATION AND EQUALITY IN AMERICA, SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHTS TOOLS TO EDUCATE THEIR CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T REALLY EDUCATED THEIRSELVES THRU THE DOMINO EFFECT, SO THE MEDIA AND SCHOOLS KEEP THEM THINKIN THEY AIN'T SHIT JUST LIKE THE SLAVE TRADERS AND MASTERS....IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS....BUT NOW WE NEED THE PARENTS TO WAKE UP BECAUSE ITS 2009...WE SHOULD OF PUT AN END TO THE STEROTYPE SHANIGANS A LONG TIME AGO...WE BLACK PEOPLE...LETS STAND UP AND COUNTER THE PROMBLEMS BROUGHT TO US MY THE EUROPEANS AND SLAVE ERA...AND FIGHT BACK FOR OUR TRUE SUPREME POSITION ON THE PLANET EARTH...WE WERE KINGS, QUEENS, SCHOLORS, INTELLECTUALS, WISE N CIVILIZED PEOPLE....WAY BEFORE ANY WHITE FACE EVER SHOWED UP ON THE AFRICAN ISLAND...WE NEED TO BE INTRESTED IN KNOWLEDGE TO SOME DEGREE WORD UP....AND WANT TO PROVE STEROTYPES AND WHITE FOLK WRONG NOT MULTIPLY THEM...BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER MENT TO BE UNCIVILIZED PEOPLE....SLAVERY IT SELD DID THAT ALONE BECAUSE THEY TOOK THEM OUT OF THEIR CIVILIZATION AND PLACED THEM IN ANOTHER AREA...WHERE THRY WOULD NO NOTHING AT ALL AND BACICALLY STARTIN FROM SCRATCH BUT WITH NO CONTROL AND NO RIGHTS WHAT SO EVER.....WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AND OVERCOME THIS....AND BE THE CIVILIZED PEOPLE WE ARE AND CAN BE....FUCK ALL THE BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE BECAUSE WE ARE ONE AS A PEOPLE....WE HAVE TO REGAIN RESPEC WE WERE NEVER GIVIN....AND BE THE SUPREME PEOPLE,.....SO "OB4CL2", SLAVERY MOD DEF EXISTED....AND LEFT A BIG SCAR ON ARE FULL RACE AND HISTORY....BUT REMEMBER...WE AIN'T NEVA WEAK....WE ARE STRONG BEINGS AND WILL EVENTUALLY OVERCOME THE WICKEDNESS ON THIS PLANET AND REAGAIN PEACE, UNITY, LOVE, AND FREEDOM.......REMEMBER THIS WHITES AND BLACKS....AND MUCH LOVE TO ALL PEOPLE OF ALL RACES EXCEPT THE RACISTS....BUT JUS LIKE ANY NATION,.....I GOTTA HAVE MINE BACK...BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THRU THE WORST AND TREATED THE WORST THAN ANY OTHER RACE OR NATION....STARTIN' OFF WITH NO REASON AT ALL BUT EUROPEANS EVIL SOUL AND GREED.......................ONE LUV PEACE

Mumm Ra
06-08-2009, 07:20 PM
half short twice strong

diggy
06-08-2009, 07:32 PM
When did slavery end, and for who?

Who qualifies as black?

What do you have to say about the black people outside of the united states...they too were in slavery?


Ok, You're right. It is not over.

Black? I call people with my skin color black cuz our name was hidden.

They are still in slavery.

diggy
06-08-2009, 07:42 PM
WE WERE KINGS, QUEENS, SCHOLORS, INTELLECTUALS, WISE N CIVILIZED PEOPLE....WAY BEFORE ANY WHITE FACE EVER SHOWED UP ON THE AFRICAN ISLAND...WE NEED TO BE INTRESTED IN KNOWLEDGE TO SOME DEGREE WORD UP....AND WANT TO PROVE STEROTYPES AND WHITE FOLK WRONG NOT MULTIPLY THEM...BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER MENT TO BE UNCIVILIZED PEOPLE.

Am I to believe that we were a united people who became victimized by the white man? I hardly believe that. Slavery (black on black crime) existed before the european man showed up.

We were already divided and that is why it was easy for the white man to buy us.

In the old days, when another group of peeps was conquored thru war by the opponent, they were enslaved. That is what I think happened to our people - war, enslavement, and unrighteousness - this is disunity that the white man took advantage of thru buying us.

A united force could not be enslaved by a small group of european slavemasters (imo).



..FUCK ALL THE BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE BECAUSE WE ARE ONE AS A PEOPLE....

We were not one. We were divided. Use common sense. Black on Black crime (slavery) existed on Africa before white man came there.

WE HAVE TO REGAIN RESPEC WE WERE NEVER GIVIN....AND BE THE SUPREME PEOPLE,.....SO "OB4CL2", SLAVERY MOD DEF EXISTED....AND LEFT A BIG SCAR ON ARE FULL RACE AND HISTORY....BUT REMEMBER...WE AIN'T NEVA WEAK....WE ARE STRONG BEINGS AND WILL EVENTUALLY OVERCOME THE WICKEDNESS ON THIS PLANET AND REAGAIN PEACE, UNITY, LOVE, AND FREEDOM.......REMEMBER THIS WHITES AND BLACKS....AND MUCH LOVE TO ALL PEOPLE OF ALL RACES EXCEPT THE RACISTS....BUT JUS LIKE ANY NATION,.....I GOTTA HAVE MINE BACK...BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THRU THE WORST AND TREATED THE WORST THAN ANY OTHER RACE OR NATION....STARTIN' OFF WITH NO REASON AT ALL BUT EUROPEANS EVIL SOUL AND GREED.......................ONE LUV PEACE


We will overcome it with righteousness. All of the negativity with people in general is rooted in wickedness. Returning to righteousness and good living solves most if not all problems.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-08-2009, 11:48 PM
we WILL overcome with rightousness u are exactly right their should be NO negativity but it won't completley happen..but we can hope for the best..and i aint say nothing about mo black on black crime BUT its not unbelievable...there's good and evil everywhere....i was just going back in sertain eras of ancient times thats all...all good points tho'.....im about zero negativity i'm all about peace nah mean...with everyone, i was jus explainin the question and i get to goin nah mean....but information is essential feel me??...but it still pretty sums it up i'm not emmiting no hate at all....i just don't like racists feel me...dat shit jus ain't koo....its just information for people to acknowledge because it is true and was just on the surface...maybe the CAPS made it intimidating i don't know,.....i got love for all humanity is a rightous man and i jus wish peace n rightousness everyone else.....i wish i do sumthin about it to help others but all i can do is try to uplift my people as much as possible and the "negative times" must be told also to do that...its all connected to obtain true consciousness and rightousness feel me....plus a good heart....its all peace and it all love.....but what was done can't be denied because the truth is the truth....do ya knowledge one luv to ALL...except racists....word bond

just food for thought

Kemeticly Doubs
06-09-2009, 12:00 AM
we are not perfect and never was but we were more then what people say word up...check my other builds...no negativity by me...all enlighenment...its about raising rightous children and being rightous ourselves...but we must know the good and the bad and have full understanding to do so

netscape check two
06-09-2009, 01:19 AM
^^ Sam 7?

diggy
06-09-2009, 01:22 AM
we are not perfect and never was but we were more then what people say word up...check my other builds...no negativity by me...all enlighenment...its about raising rightous children and being rightous ourselves...but we must know the good and the bad and have full understanding to do so


Ya, I've checked your other builds. The way it came out from my part may have seemed angry, but I had no anger when writing it. I just speak bluntly.

Peace.

The Hound
06-09-2009, 02:01 AM
White people were enslaved in places like the UK and what is affectionately now Germany and France, hundreds of years before people knew Blacks existed, and they do pretty well for themselves in 2009.

diggy
06-09-2009, 02:07 AM
White people were enslaved in places like the UK and what is affectionately now Germany and France, hundreds of years before people knew Blacks existed, and they do pretty well for themselves in 2009.

There is no comparison with what the Europeans experienced with the Africans.

Europeans have their country (were not displaced from it).
They have their language and culture.
They have knowledge of history and their place in it.

African slaves and their offspring lost all of this and more.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-09-2009, 08:46 AM
White people were enslaved in places like the UK and what is affectionately now Germany and France, hundreds of years before people knew Blacks existed, and they do pretty well for themselves in 2009.

i'm assuming you're talking about the moors in bavaria and wales which was about 1000 years ago, right? well the systematic oppression of blacks in america is something that only 'officially' ended in the last 50-60 years after going on for almost 400. (obviously some people feel that it continues in more subtle and insidious forms and i can't really argue with them, but as far as slavery, segregation, and public forms of violence tacitly condoned by the legal system let's say that pretty much ended in the 1960s) please explain to me how the historical momentum of centuries of genocide and abuse can be counteracted in a few decades? think before you speak, write, or type.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-09-2009, 08:49 AM
vay727 (http://wutang-corp.com/forum/member.php?u=1174) is one of the best posters who post in this section regularly.

As someone else said, i don't feel the need to post on the topic after seeing his posts.

Keep these idiots in check.

thanks lol

i would've expected some of the people in here to agree with my basic sentiments. but i guess because i don't embrace their brand of ethnocentrism, they would rather just ignore me.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-09-2009, 07:03 PM
peace x....much respect 4 dat yo no doubt

DUMBO
06-09-2009, 07:12 PM
at the beginning of plantation slavery, it was common for black slaves to work alongside white indentured labourers and slaves. in fact, in some places, like barbados, white slaves pre-dated the import of black slaves. e.g. early 16th tabacco and hemp plantations on the island.

furthermore, slavery and other forms of unfree labour existed since time immemorial in europe up until the rise of capitalism. in fact, european slaves were still around in the early 19th century and serfdom (in Russia) even later.

we focus on black slavery as though we are somehow naturally victims of slavery - and victims of slavery by the white hand. slavery is an ancient economic form that is consistent with other oppressive means of extracting surplus value from lower workers by owners, masters and other fat-cats.

of course there is a legacy of slavery, but why do we not assume that many whites are living through a similar legacy? and why do we assume that the apparent evidence of this legacy (abject poverty, self-esteem issues, and ignorance) are not the outcome of more recent market effects, or the result of contemporary political, economic and cultural institutions?

Kemeticly Doubs
06-09-2009, 07:13 PM
N bonerfarm...thats most unfortunate...we feel for them also...my heart goes out to the innocent and pure hearted of your people... But im sorry, not to the cold hearted and wicked....but it DOES NOT conpare to what our people went thru n was treated and dominoed....much peace

Mumm Ra
06-09-2009, 07:29 PM
yeah, people throw the word slavery around like it has only one meaning
if you wanna define it as unfree labor/ forced labor, or what have you, then you have to include the MILLIONS of prisoners the US currently holds, and call them slaves.

the american enslavement of blacks is most always focused on because they were put through far worse than any other instance of "slavery" - that I've ever read or watched documentaries about anyway...

diggy
06-09-2009, 09:39 PM
Yes, slavery has existed for centuries upon centuries.

What made slavery of Africans different was the white supremacy that went with it.

Blacks were told they were subhuman and treated that way.

Black skin, in the mind of white supremacists, meant they could enslave any Black person, cuz that is what Blacks are for (according to the prevailing thought back in the days)

There is no comparison to what happened to Europeans. They were not told there skin color meant they should be enslaved and treated with less dignity than farm animals are given.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-09-2009, 09:50 PM
word up....tell em' X...drop it on em'....

Kemeticly Doubs
06-09-2009, 09:52 PM
good add-on lucid...but if u intrested do a lil' research on it n get i higher understand...just food for thought...peace

Uncle Steezo
06-10-2009, 01:08 AM
The Trans atlantic slave trade was chattle slavery, where the slave was not recognizEd as human nor had any means of gaining freedom.
This is what makes it unique and the most brutal.
The african was stripped of his identity and was conditioned to be a nigger.

The nigger mentality has echoed throughout our history just like a molested child will perpetuate the same deviant behavior.

whitey
06-10-2009, 01:25 AM
yes and no.

tough to explain.

clearly shit has an effect on someone when they are taught/told they are not good enough/whatever whatever.

at the same time, a lot of people, not only blacks are retricted to this "im/your not good enough" mentality. which is why i feel they can/do at times start with a disadvantage with things; its not always the case...and to rely on it and use it as an excuse or crutch is a weakness that needs to be purged from anyone and everyones being.

Uncle Steezo
06-10-2009, 01:30 AM
Let me add that complaing does nothing.


Also for the millionth time, this is not ancient history. My parents rights were not protected by law untill they were in HS.

PALEHORSE
06-10-2009, 01:32 AM
naw. they arent any oppressed then other peoples in other times. they just like to use the trans atlantic trade(which involved other non-blacks) basically to get an advantage NOW. not trying to dis because from your perspective, your right. but theyrre killing off blacks and trying to replace them with the white cattle, socially, economically, electromagnetically, chemically, biologically, psychologically, so according to the 5% doctrine white people are genetically and socially enslaved. so now what build or destroy? victimize the victims? as much as yall hate to accpet it we all are kin. i had a better post but got distracted.and forget what i really wanted to say but ill post this anyway

PALEHORSE
06-10-2009, 01:35 AM
Let me add that complaing does nothing.


.

this is hat i was trying to get to

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 01:55 AM
naw. they arent any oppressed then other peoples in other times.

name one other group - just one, who had a similar experience or worst

they just like to use the trans atlantic trade(which involved other non-blacks) basically to get an advantage NOW.

the majority of us don't even know about the trans alantic slave trade - and majority of us don't even complain cause we don't see anything wrong
this is normal to most of us

not trying to dis because from your perspective, your right.

right about what ?


but theyrre killing off blacks and trying to replace them with the white cattle, socially, economically, electromagnetically, chemically, biologically, psychologically,

huh ?


so according to the 5% doctrine white people are genetically and socially enslaved.

NO - white people according to science are genetically challenged - thats fact - deal with it - and no one no where is enslaving white people because of it


so now what build or destroy?

both


victimize the victims?

do you feel like a victim ?

as much as yall hate to accpet it we all are kin.

we are all here - and we all want to be free - we have a connection - and a purpose - any one who is not working toward achieving freedom justice and equality right now is of no kin to me

i had a better post but got distracted.and forget what i really wanted to say but ill post this anyway

from what i see in your post, you care too much about how black people see you - you'll say that you don't care - but think again - do you - and be righteous - thats where we at right now - seems like you are anticpating a fight - carrying around distrust and fear - that can lead you to later becoming a white supremest

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 01:58 AM
Let me add that complaing does nothing.





obviously - the black man has to get up and do for self or suffer the consequences -

white america will never give us reparations - deal with it

PALEHORSE
06-10-2009, 02:14 AM
1. native americans, and isrealites under the pharoahs riegn(im not going to reply to this arguement right now just proving your ?)
2.all black americans know about it because they all know they were brought here in slave ships. africans too.
3.you right your ancestors and thier offsprings were fucked from the start. its ok your not the only ones.
4.but theyrre killing off blacks and trying to replace them with the white cattle, socially, economically, electromagnetically, chemically, biologically, psychologically sorry for typos
5.yacub created the white man to be genetically inferior that could be considered a form of enslavement. yacub is an oppressor
6.yea, but build what and destroy what? build love and destroy devilishment
7.no. not a victim, im
8 etc. imy favorite philosophy is hermetic wisdom. e pluribus unem...everything is one,, one love lets get together and feel alright bob marleyis dope. u mean like you have become a black supremcist? nah nigga i dont have control over thaat it is what it is i dwell in the truth. fuck you corny bastards the truth is love and light. call a spade a spade with clarity

diggy
06-10-2009, 02:18 AM
The Trans atlantic slave trade was chattle slavery, where the slave was not recognizEd as human nor had any means of gaining freedom.
This is what makes it unique and the most brutal.
The african was stripped of his identity and was conditioned to be a nigger.

The nigger mentality has echoed throughout our history just like a molested child will perpetuate the same deviant behavior.

Very well put. Straight to the point.

obviously - the black man has to get up and do for self or suffer the consequences -

white america will never give us reparations - deal with it

Complaining is what children do.

Blacks who do nothing but complain are still mentally enslaved (imo) viewing whites as superior beings to complain to with the hope that whites could get them out.

Nonsense!!!

Real men and women make changes themselves.

There is no effect without cause. The conditions of black folk won't change until black folk change it.

The change starts within.


Part of the change I believe is to stop viewing ourselves as our skin color. I am NOT my skin colour. I am much more...

PALEHORSE
06-10-2009, 02:23 AM
for real
your the captain of your destiny
your thoughts deeds and ways of action determine your experience
your thoughts create reality on a personal level ...imagine what we can do collectively

diggy
06-10-2009, 02:42 AM
Like Voltron.

But we must correct ourselves first.

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 02:45 AM
1. native americans,

native americans didn't lose their land,language,or culture except for the ones who mixed and meshed with us - try again

and isrealites under the pharoahs riegn(im not going to reply to this arguement right now just proving your ?)

its a story - moses didn't part no waters - but - did you see what god did to their oppressors ?

try again


2.all black americans know about it because they all know they were brought here in slave ships. africans too.


you'd be surprised - no they do not

3.you right your ancestors and thier offsprings were fucked from the start.


no - not from the start - not until we taken


its ok your not the only ones.

lol - yeah ok




4.but theyrre killing off blacks and trying to replace them with the white cattle, socially, economically, electromagnetically, chemically, biologically, psychologically sorry for typos

.


5.yacub created the white man to be genetically inferior that could be considered a form of enslavement. yacub is an oppressor


bingo - its about time
the lessons provides justice for both - thats why my nation will lead with righteousness and there is nothing that will stop us - nothing

6.yea, but build what and destroy what? build love and destroy devilishment

it must be done

7.no. not a victim, im
8 etc. imy favorite philosophy is hermetic wisdom. e pluribus unem...everything is one,, one love lets get together and feel alright bob marleyis dope.





u mean like you have become a black supremcist?

i'm not a got dam black supremest - you are partaking in devilshment right now by trying to push that idea when i have proven otherwise

nah nigga i dont have control over thaat it is what it is i dwell in the truth. fuck you corny bastards the truth is love and light. call a spade a spade with clarity


and the truth makes you show your teeth - my last statements were not used to belittle you in anyway - but your misunderstanding of my stance caused you to partake in devilishment - everyone will be put where they belong - feel what you want - we'll continue to work and acheive greatness regardless and without the help of those who only want to leech off of our power and dispose of us

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 02:51 AM
Complaining is what children do.

Blacks who do nothing but complain are still mentally enslaved (imo) viewing whites as superior beings to complain to with the hope that whites could get them out.

Nonsense!!!

Real men and women make changes themselves.

There is no effect without cause. The conditions of black folk won't change until black folk change it.

The change starts within.


Part of the change I believe is to stop viewing ourselves as our skin color. I am NOT my skin colour. I am much more...

many confuse us talking about the conditions that we suffer with complaining - the complaints come in when those who have no respect for life hurl insults at us for bringing up and exposing the mistreatment that we must fight and deal with

but we'll continue to do what is considered complaining despite what the nonunderstanding among us wanna say about it - until there is no reason to talk about it - movements start as ideas thoughts, from there they get talked about and planned - then the men move to make change - it all works in ranks - and we have been making tremendous progress

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 02:58 AM
do you - and be righteous - thats where we at right now -



nah nigga i dont have control over thaat it is what it is i dwell in the truth. fuck you corny bastards the truth is love and light. call a spade a spade with clarity


your misunderstanding of my words got you angry enough to throw around the words nigga and spade - you ain't ready son

do you and be righteous - thats where we are right now -

that WE included me and you - you've set US back

PALEHORSE
06-10-2009, 03:00 AM
im not trying to belittle you either. im not a white supremicst nor do i have an inkling to e persauded that way. like i said itt is what it is.

PALEHORSE
06-10-2009, 03:03 AM
and i dont mean spade in a racially discrimiinating manner, its like calling renig. it is what it is.calling a spade a spade means stating the truth with clarity

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 03:05 AM
im not trying to belittle you either. im not a white supremicst nor do i have an inkling to e persauded that way. like i said itt is what it is.


when i was younger, about 16 maybe 17 at work, a young child told me that he'd never do what i was doing to make money that he was gonna go to college and be this and be that, by the time i was 21, i heard that same story about at least 7 other times from 7 other children -

PALEHORSE
06-10-2009, 03:06 AM
it is what it is.

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 03:13 AM
and i dont mean spade in a racially discrimiinating manner, its like calling renig. it is what it is.calling a spade a spade means stating the truth with clarity


i know man - but when you put the words spade and nigga in the same sentence in a topic like this with a name like palehorse, niggas go crazy - you should know this by now - and s$#@ we have every reason and right to go crazy -

many feel that we have no reason or right to go crazy - to hell with them - they not in my hoods, they don't know the conditions, and they don't care - and i don't expect them to - everyone is NOT equally oppressed - thats the facts - deny them if you please - we will continue to work -


now that doesn't mean that we can't respect or join with others
but those who say that we are all equally suffering the same, do not see or understand what has happened to us - this system of white supremacy called america is not designed to dehumanize and ultimatley destroy white people - so NO - we are not in the same dam boat -

should i resent you as an individual white man ?

No - my teacher teaches that we respect all people
if you knew me, you wouldn't dare call me no black supremest - the gods nature is commpassionate and merciful - if he wasn't, white people wouldn't even exist and thats fact

PALEHORSE
06-10-2009, 03:36 AM
i had a long message typed and deleted it but basically ill i have to say is what is going to help us prosper?

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 03:46 AM
i don't understand

diggy
06-10-2009, 04:02 AM
many confuse us talking about the conditions that we suffer with complaining - the complaints come in when those who have no respect for life hurl insults at us for bringing up and exposing the mistreatment that we must fight and deal with

but we'll continue to do what is considered complaining despite what the nonunderstanding among us wanna say about it - until there is no reason to talk about it - movements start as ideas thoughts, from there they get talked about and planned - then the men move to make change - it all works in ranks - and we have been making tremendous progress

When I say complain, I am refering to the title of this thread:

Do Black People Have a Reason to Complain About the Condition Slavery Left Them In ? (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77745)

Complaining won't change a thing.

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 04:08 AM
Complaining won't change a thing.



but do we have reasons to ?





and there are many of us who are babies

diggy
06-10-2009, 04:41 AM
but do we have reasons to ?





and there are many of us who are babies


Complain to who...someone who is white?

And what is that white person gonna do...wave a wand and make problems disappear?


I agree with your last statement.

RALPH WIGGUM
06-10-2009, 07:35 AM
native americans didn't lose their land,language,or culture except for the ones who mixed and meshed with us -

Native americans did lost their land. But Im not saying that they went through worse than black people. The "Controverse de Valladolid" is important to check out, there even was a movie about it, it makes you understand a lot of things.
I also see some people here who need to read Roots.

Black Man
06-10-2009, 07:41 AM
so according to the 5% doctrine white people are genetically and socially enslaved.

Stop telling lies!!!

Black Man
06-10-2009, 08:14 AM
many confuse us talking about the conditions that we suffer with complaining - the complaints come in when those who have no respect for life hurl insults at us for bringing up and exposing the mistreatment that we must fight and deal with

the colored man is not confused when original people speak on their conditions. They're not confused at all, they know exactly what's going on. Can a devil fool a muslim?

I guess elijah was complaining too right?

I know and understand the nature of the devil and a few quotes from the wise man of the east doesn't change anything, especially right after they quote the wise man of the east (blackman) it right back to nigga :thumbdwn: Among "other" lies the flow off their tongue like water. In bizzaro world their words ways and actions would be wisdom, but this isn't bizzaro world.....this is the earth. You know what the earth is right?

The original man always fought back against oppressions...always, but they're not going to teach your right...why would they when they don't treat you right? Nat turner was just one out of many during that time! Let them tell it, there was maybe two three 'slave' rebellions that took place. Let them tell it, all we do is complain with no action. So why do we keep pointing out fallen soldiers who gave their life fighting the devil? There's people that we're not aware of that gave their life fighting the devil, but let them tell it, all we do is complain.

List all of the original men women and children who fought for freedom justice and equality. Then next to their name write, "then what happened?"

but we'll continue to do what is considered complaining despite what the nonunderstanding among us wanna say about it - until there is no reason to talk about it - movements start as ideas thoughts, from there they get talked about and planned - then the men move to make change - it all works in ranks - and we have been making tremendous progress

we are making tremendous progress, and that's why there's even more pressure being applied to keep original people blind deaf and dumb and slaves to a mental death and power.

Compulsion
06-10-2009, 08:15 AM
i know man - but when you put the words spade and nigga in the same sentence in a topic like this with a name like palehorse, niggas go crazy - you should know this by now - and s$#@ we have every reason and right to go crazy -

many feel that we have no reason or right to go crazy - to hell with them - they not in my hoods, they don't know the conditions, and they don't care - and i don't expect them to - everyone is NOT equally oppressed - thats the facts - deny them if you please - we will continue to work -


now that doesn't mean that we can't respect or join with others
but those who say that we are all equally suffering the same, do not see or understand what has happened to us - this system of white supremacy called america is not designed to dehumanize and ultimatley destroy white people - so NO - we are not in the same dam boat -

should i resent you as an individual white man ?

No - my teacher teaches that we respect all people
if you knew me, you wouldn't dare call me no black supremest - the gods nature is commpassionate and merciful - if he wasn't, white people wouldn't even exist and thats fact

I would hope so....I do have a question though. Are you taught to confirm these facts through other sources(when available) or accept them as told?

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by sunny winters http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1595181#post1595181)
many confuse us talking about the conditions that we suffer with complaining - the complaints come in when those who have no respect for life hurl insults at us for bringing up and exposing the mistreatment that we must fight and deal with

the colored man is not confused when original people speak on their conditions. They're not confused at all, they know exactly what's going on. Can a devil fool a muslim?

I guess elijah was complaining too right?

I know and understand the nature of the devil and a few quotes from the wise man of the east doesn't change anything, especially right after they quote the wise man of the east (blackman) it right back to nigga :thumbdwn: Among "other" lies the flow off their tongue like water. In bizzaro world their words ways and actions would be wisdom, but this isn't bizzaro world.....this is the earth. You know what the earth is right?

The original man always fought back against oppressions...always, but they're not going to teach your right...why would they when they don't treat you right? Nat turner was just one out of many during that time! Let them tell it, there was maybe two three 'slave' rebellions that took place. Let them tell it, all we do is complain with no action. So why do we keep pointing out fallen soldiers who gave their life fighting the devil? There's people that we're not aware of that gave their life fighting the devil, but let them tell it, all we do is complain.

List all of the original men women and children who fought for freedom justice and equality. Then next to their name write, "then what happened?"

but we'll continue to do what is considered complaining despite what the nonunderstanding among us wanna say about it - until there is no reason to talk about it - movements start as ideas thoughts, from there they get talked about and planned - then the men move to make change - it all works in ranks - and we have been making tremendous progress



the words in white are the only words that came from me

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 11:43 AM
Native americans did lost their land. But Im not saying that they went through worse than black people. The "Controverse de Valladolid" is important to check out, there even was a movie about it, it makes you understand a lot of things.
I also see some people here who need to read Roots.

so called native americans are still in america on american land
they may not be settled on the best part here, but they are together

roots is a clean version of a very small part of our experience here in america

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 11:49 AM
Complain to who...someone who is white?


No - to over all complain - white people cannot and will not do anything to right the wrong of their ancestors and people today who continue to wreak havoc and chaos on this planet - The job of cleaning ourselves up and the planet is the black mans responsibility - The black man is responsible for the caucasians existence - if he is not, then he is not God

And what is that white person gonna do...wave a wand and make problems disappear?


Islam is that wand that'll make those problems disappear cause Islam is mathematics and mathematics is Islam


I agree with your last statement.

thats a good thing

Black Man
06-10-2009, 12:01 PM
All of the injustices that's happened and happening right now can be stopped or corrected almost over night if that's what the collective white population wanted. They have the power to do this in a more efficienct and in a faster manner than original/indigenious people can. The original/indigenious people have to fight against a force and first neutralize it and then over-come that force (among other things). The white collective doesn't have to fight against anything/anybody (outside of their self) for there to be justice "for all."

DUMBO
06-10-2009, 12:04 PM
so called native americans are still in america on american land
they may not be settled on the best part here, but they are together

roots is a clean version of a very small part of our experience here in america

"but they are together"....smh.

their numbers were many times more than decimated. and their culture all but lost. africa still exists, in fact, its population is growing, as is ours in America. black people have had it rough but chill with the polemics. no one had it worse than the native americans in west.

i can't stand people that go out of their way to argue themselves as the greatest victims of history by belittling everyone else's experiences. quit using our history as a political platform and show some fucking respect.

DUMBO
06-10-2009, 12:09 PM
All of the injustices that's happened and happening right now can be stopped or corrected almost over night if that's what the collective white population wanted. They have the power to do this in a more efficienct and in a faster manner than original/indigenious people can. The original/indigenious people have to fight against a force and first neutralize it and then over-come that force (among other things). The white collective doesn't have to fight against anything/anybody (outside of their self) for there to be justice "for all."


what "collective white population" are you talking about? why don't you take a high school class in civics and quit pestering thoughtful people with your silly conspiracies and silly perception of the world?

do black people exist as a single unified entity that acts together? why should anyone do this? why do you talk about white people as though they attend a weekly conformity meeting where they plan our demise. how old are you?

if you are above 25 yrs old have you considered suicide? you are clearly fucking retarded and have no place contributing to democracy (ie. the political struggle of improving our society through formal political engagement). you're just a pussy hiding behind stupid ideas and idiotic ramblings.

Black Man
06-10-2009, 12:10 PM
Why does the devil call our people African?

Those of you who call yourself "Indian" or "Native American" should continue studying your history because there's more to it than meets the eye.

Those of you who call yourself "Black" "Negro" "African-American" should continue studying your history because there's more to it than meets the eye.

Both groups of people mentioned are Original People and they are NOT different from one another, historically biologically and culturally and they NEED to study each other's history as well for there is more to US than meets the eye.

Why does the devil call our people African? For those who have understanding of this question and answer then you should see what it really is and not what it appears to be.

Bloods and Crips fight one another and they're the same people just like the so-called "indians" or "native americans" fight against "black" people because they were tricked into thinking they were different people.

Stop learning from the devil...he's only going to teach you to be illiterate.

DUMBO
06-10-2009, 12:19 PM
should we learn from you instead? what could you possibly teach us? could you teach real math, for instance? i'm really looking forward to sitting in your "supreme addition" class and hearing your lame remarks about our history as great scientists although you can't do calculus.

you are silly.

Black Man
06-10-2009, 12:28 PM
should we learn from you instead? what could you possibly teach us? could you teach real math, for instance? i'm really looking forward to sitting in your "supreme addition" class and hearing your lame remarks about our history as great scientists although you can't do calculus.

you are silly.

One only learns what one teaches self. What can I teach you and your contemporaries? Doesn't matter what I can teach you, what matters is what you're able to teach yourself.

I don't know what supreme addition is, can you explain what that is exactly?

What does calculus have to do with learning about history?

You have the freedom to agree or disagree to whatever it is that want to. We all can express what we know, what we think and our opinions....that's peace.

Since I'm in error as you've claimed (not in those specific words) correct the error please so I can be in tune with what's right.

Patiently waiting for your supreme addition.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 12:34 PM
that's what we have been trying to do before blacks in america were as savage as they are today(get us our rights, justice, and equality/acceptance)...but they neglected us and denied us as actual human beings, stripped us of our rights...n basically said we wasn't shit and we don't even suppose to be on "their" earth...good add on sexxy, we are not to complain because it WONT get us anywhere...we should be grown enough and mature enough to know this, we must not complain, but acknowledge the facts and break the cycle, and take control of ourselves and our lives where we are conscious, righteous, powerful, civililized people, and ONCE AGAIN demand our respect, justice, and equality as people and american citizens which our people deserved from the beginning(everything would of been cool them)...but they continue to try and keep our people iggnorent, and savaged, and we aight gone get non of that if our people remain savages like they want us to be cause they DONT really wanna give us respect justice and equality in "their world"(real easy to understand)...so OUR PEOPLE MUST CHANGE NO DOUBT....but they question was do our black people have the RIGHT to complain about slavery, and the answer is YES, we do...with no doubt about itat all...now SHOULD we complain??..no....we should be working on changing, and working on the future of our people and our children's future...most importantly...working on ourselves...to where sumhow we can reverse the curse put on our people....WORD UP....MucH LuV

DUMBO
06-10-2009, 12:34 PM
western education is obviously eurocentric, but it also include a great synthesis of human innovation, drawn from across the world. rejecting "the devil's education" as you say is a silly idea, especially considering you suggest replacing it with emo-dr.phil self-reflection.

self-reflection doesn't increase agricultural or industrial productivity, it doesn't improve human health and well-being, and it doesn't improve our ability to live in a complex world with people with sometimes competing interests.

that's where you went wrong.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 12:43 PM
supreme mathmatics and supreme addition is cool...BUT it's not totally essential to knowing or learning the history of africans...BUT also if u get down to it and u WANT TO go into DEEP science.....ALMOST everything could be understood or explained in numbers....its jus another understanding tho'....no if u really want to undertand reasoning and righteousness...first do some DEEP soul searching...and realize right from wrong...and good from bad....then do the research on being cognitive...and using inference/reasoning....then u can do the reasearch on how peaceful africans broke down the state of being peaceful and cognitive....all im' saying it that the mathmatics is jus for a higher degree of understanding for personal reasons.....its not essential but do ya knowledge urself and all the truth would enventually be revealed to u and you also have a good understanding on life and how the world spins wit all of us on it n how we SHOULD AND COULD BE...to make this world a WAY better place no doubt.....

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 12:49 PM
debate is always cool...but no hostility...so u can learn others...AFTER U LEARN YOURSELF...AND YOUR HISTORY ON THIS PLANET...but u would be able to evaluate personalities and emotions which sends off all different types of magnetics from one person to another...which will eventually give you the ability to understand life better and the reasons why people think the way they think and act the way they act...which would help your reactions and thoughts because you have an understanding...they don't, they just goin' off...(for that that it apply to)...

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 12:59 PM
"but they are together"....smh.

their numbers were many times more than decimated. and their culture all but lost.

the culture and languages are not lost - AND most of the so called Native population were not decimated - many of us who are just considered BLACK, are the descendants of the so called original Native population - meaning - allot of the so called BLACK PEOPLE you see today, are indeed NATIVES

africa still exists, in fact, its population is growing, as is ours in America. black people have had it rough but chill with the polemics. no one had it worse than the native americans in west.

america still exist - you obviously haven't studied up on the stolen africans experience in america - in time though


i can't stand people that go out of their way to argue themselves as the greatest victims of history by belittling everyone else's experiences.


don't stand it then - Black people are not the greatest victims of history - WHITE PEOPLE ARE - and no one is belittling anyones experience - i'm stating facts -


quit using our history as a political platform and show some fucking respect.

your history ?

i am Native - i am a part of that original nation who were here in the americas before the mayflower - my peoples mixed with the African originals - both sides of my family have been destroyed by white americas system -

Know your Ledge

Black Man
06-10-2009, 12:59 PM
western education is obviously eurocentric, but it also include a great synthesis of human innovation, drawn from across the world.

IF THIS WERE TRUE, IF WESTERN EDUCATION (OXYMORON) DID INCLUDE A GREAT SYSNTHESIS OF "HUMAN" INNOVATION THEN HERE IN AMERICA AND ACROSS THE GLOBE IT WOULD BE KNOWN THAT "WESTERN SOCIETY" STOLE THE CONCEPT AND FUNCTIONINING PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY FROM THOSE WHO ARE CALLED INDIANS OR NATIVE AMERICANS, BUT WESTERN SOCIETY HASN'T SYNTHESIZED THIS REALITY INTO THEIR SO-CALLED "EDUCATION" INSTITUTES. THERE'S MANY MANY MANY MORE EXAMPLES THAT CAN BE GIVEN, BUT IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO KNOW, YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO LEARN AND FURTHER YOUR EDUCATION.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, "WESTERN SOCIETY" TENDS TO STEAL THE INNOVATIONS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE GLOBALLY AND CLAIM THOSE INNOVATIONS AS THEIR OWN.

rejecting "the devil's education" as you say is a silly idea,

IT IS A "SILLY IDEA" TO THOSE WHO ARE SLAVES OF A MENTAL DEATH AND POWER. IT'S A "SILLY IDEA" TO THOSE WHO LIKE THE DEVIL EVEN THOUGH THE DEVIL GIVES THEM NOTHING! IT'S A "SILLY IDEA" TO THOSE WHO WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOCIAL EQUALITY OF THE DEVIL.

especially considering you suggest replacing it with emo-dr.phil self-reflection.

CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE I SUGGESTED REPLACING IT WITH EMO-DR.PHIL SELF REFLECTION? DON'T TELL LIES IN ORDER TO MAKE A POINT. TELL THE TRUTH AND SHAME YOURSELF.

self-reflection doesn't increase agricultural or industrial productivity, it doesn't improve human health and well-being, and it doesn't improve our ability to live in a complex world with people with sometimes competing interests.

SELF-REFLECTION? WHEN DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SELF REFLECTION? STOP MAKING THINGS UP!

SPEAKING ON IMPROVING AGRICULTURAL AND INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTIVITY "HUMAN" HEALTH AND WELL BEING, THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR THAT THE COLORED MAN IS SELF DESTRUCTIVE AND A DESTRUCTIVE COMPOUND TO THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.

HISTORY...ESPECIALLY THE HISTORY GIVEN BY THE "INDIANS" "NATIVE AMERICANS" TELLS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTIVE NATURE OF THE "WHITE-MAN" AS THEY WERE CALLED. THEY DESTROYED THE PEOPLE THE WATER THE LAND THE ANIMALS AND THE VERY AIR WE BREATH.

WE KNOW THE EFFECTS BUT WHAT'S THE CAUSE? THAT'S KNOWN TOO!!!

that's where you went wrong.

Where are you right?

Still waiting for that lesson on supreme addition.

Again......Since I'm in error as you've claimed (not in those specific words) correct the error please so I can be in tune with what's right.

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 01:01 PM
what "collective white population" are you talking about? why don't you take a high school class in civics and quit pestering thoughtful people with your silly conspiracies and silly perception of the world?

.


find a better less confrontational way to get your point across - all the silly name calling will destroy the civilized build we are trying to maintain here -

Black Man
06-10-2009, 01:02 PM
supreme mathmatics and supreme addition is cool...BUT it's not totally essential to knowing or learning the history of africans...BUT also if u get down to it and u WANT TO go into DEEP science.....ALMOST everything could be understood or explained in numbers....its jus another understanding tho'....no if u really want to undertand reasoning and righteousness...first do some DEEP soul searching...and realize right from wrong...and good from bad....then do the research on being cognitive...and using inference/reasoning....then u can do the reasearch on how peaceful africans broke down the state of being peaceful and cognitive....all im' saying it that the mathmatics is jus for a higher degree of understanding for personal reasons.....its not essential but do ya knowledge urself and all the truth would enventually be revealed to u and you also have a good understanding on life and how the world spins wit all of us on it n how we SHOULD AND COULD BE...to make this world a WAY better place no doubt.....

You seem to know...what is supreme mathematics and supreme addition?

African history is a LIMITED history and a history that seperates and divides.

Black Man
06-10-2009, 01:05 PM
debate is always cool...but no hostility...so u can learn others...AFTER U LEARN YOURSELF...AND YOUR HISTORY ON THIS PLANET...but u would be able to evaluate personalities and emotions which sends off all different types of magnetics from one person to another...which will eventually give you the ability to understand life better and the reasons why people think the way they think and act the way they act...which would help your reactions and thoughts because you have an understanding...they don't, they just goin' off...(for that that it apply to)...

Some things simply are NOT up for debate.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 01:12 PM
U are definatley right about that one my brother....much respects....i'm lovin it...keep droppin it on em' yo word up

Black Man
06-10-2009, 01:16 PM
U are definatley right about that one my brother....much respects....i'm lovin it...keep droppin it on em' yo word up

Equality is when the COLLECTIVE addS on for one common cause.

The Original Man is ONE.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 01:18 PM
Thats what i'm sayin...i have some what of an understanding of supreme numbers but didn't go into the full science because i realized u don't need it but it can be helpful to hold ur own understanding feel me...they're usually used for like situations and such...or u can just use them to make a statement on something ingeneral...it is quite complicated...but i'm still makin my decision if ima acrually go into that deep science...i got other knowlege wisdom and understanding to worry about right now....1luv

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 01:20 PM
U are right...that is equality...but u know, that u and i know, that america considered us un equal to them so easily...and ran wit it....talkin shit about we wasn't even human....so we ain't even belond to their species...what time of shit is that....it definatley not any form of equality

LORD NOSE
06-10-2009, 01:27 PM
we need to point out the things that separate those us who have some knowledge of self - there are things that we will not agree on and understand about each other that can and have lead us to be disrespectful to each other - seems like when we come into the knowledge and lessons, sometimes we beat each other over the head with our understanding of such - and we break up into groups who feel that "those niggas over there" are shirk,sinners,dumb deaf and blind - and that "nigga i ain't FU*&^%$# with you" nonsense comes into play - it takes time to mature - how much time do we have though ?

Black Man
06-10-2009, 01:32 PM
U are right...that is equality...but u know, that u and i know, that america considered us un equal to them so easily...and ran wit it....talkin shit about we wasn't even human....so we ain't even belond to their species...what time of shit is that....it definatley not any form of equality

Why does the devil teach AND keep our people illiterate?

We're NOT humans!!! Know and understand what's really being said.

The Black Man is GOD, the Black Woman is EARTH, and the BABIES are the GREATEST!!!

Just like Pharoah isn't a king.....a pharoah is compared and made into a king by western society yet a pharoah isn't a king, he's much much more than that! A pharoah has a specific function just as 'kings' have a specific function.

Know and understand the function of.....

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 01:54 PM
awww good one(i'm on yo page yo)...i getchu...i'm down with the whole science word up...u and i both know that shit jus wasn't right period....u know where they were comin' from come on now...we a have a right to reflect on that for a min....we are just talkin' bout the disrespect for our people yo...no too go too deep in it(which we can)....i'm just holdin' our back down nah mean....(effective communication)...just layin down the essentials nah mean, what the topic was about....we can go into the details forever but remember is in the cypher we can build on these other things together personally, but for the thread....we don't really HAVE TO get down into our knowledge and understandin'...stay sumwhat on the surface so we can get accross the point we are mainly tryna get accross in this thread yo....word up

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 01:56 PM
thank u sunny.....we have to choose i words and statements wisely so we can come at the correct angles to make a direct point

Black Man
06-10-2009, 01:58 PM
awww good one(i'm on yo page yo)...i getchu...i'm down with the whole science word up...u and i both know that shit jus wasn't right period....u know where they were comin' from come on now...we a have a right to reflect on that for a min....we are just talkin' bout the disrespect for our people yo...no too go too deep in it(which we can)....i'm just holdin' our back down nah mean....(effective communication)...just layin down the essentials nah mean, what the topic was about....we can go into the details forever but remember is in the cypher we can build on these other things together personally, but for the thread....we don't really HAVE TO get down into our knowledge and understandin'...stay sumwhat on the surface so we can get accross the point we are mainly tryna get accross in this thread yo....word up

understood....don't think i was skipping over the "disrespect" that's obvious lol.

Knowledge is the foundation and it's to respect.

the colored man isn't knowledge, he isn't the foundation so that respect isn't going to be there and it extends beyond MAN....the colored man doesn't respect YOUR home, the Earth!

Black Man
06-10-2009, 02:00 PM
thank u sunny.....we have to choose i words and statements wisely so we can come at the correct angles to make a direct point

english as a language limits us as far as expressing ourselves and our ideas clearly. that's why we use slang to express certain ideas....because we're fresh like that.

my uncle doesn't talk his own language. he doesn't talk his own language because he doesn't have a culture!

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 02:30 PM
my nan...see the magnetics??
we DON'T HAVE A CONNECTED CULTURE....that's why we speak english....and we are slang masters...everybody on this site listens to wu...and clearly in their speak they are masters in slang....so we develop an ability to speak our minds AND speak intellectually WHILE ingaging in slang literature...like u said...cuz we fresh like that....we have created our own urban culture of speak.....but people like you and i...we can also be intelligent intellectuals to sertain degree and be able to express ourselves loosely....now we might have to drop the slang at times so that we conncect with on another plateu naw mean...much luv

Black Man
06-10-2009, 02:41 PM
my nan...see the magnetics??
we DON'T HAVE A CONNECTED CULTURE....that's why we speak english....and we are slang masters...everybody on this site listens to wu...and clearly in their speak they are masters in slang....so we develop an ability to speak our minds AND speak intellectually WHILE ingaging in slang literature...like u said...cuz we fresh like that....we have created our own urban culture of speak.....but people like you and i...we can also be intelligent intellectuals to sertain degree and be able to express ourselves loosely....now we might have to drop the slang at times so that we conncect with on another plateu naw mean...much luv

We speak english, spanish, and many many other languages. D. Mutumbo, I think he can speak atleast 16 different languages including english.

Malik Shabazz (Malcolm X) was a slang dictionary yet that didn't stop him from being able to speak to other audiences. When he spoke to his people, he spoke in their language.

Even during the time before jim crow, we had slang. There's things we did and said right in front of the 'master' but because we spoke our language he didn't understand what was being said or done. Some things are hard to detect with the naked eye.

Who speaks proper english and does that make a person intelligent?

The english spoken in america is different from the one in england. And the english spoke in england is different than the english is australlia. Who's speaking proper english?

Wisdom is the way.....

Uncle Steezo
06-10-2009, 05:01 PM
To address dumbo's remarks on self reflection.

Self-Family-Community-Environment

It all begins with self.

You can't build on a shakey foundation.

The severe lack of self reflection is why american families and communities are fucked up which leads to an unhealty environment which further perpetuates the problem.

Self reflection is only the act of looking at ones self. Without righteous metrics to determine ones condition, self examination is useless.

So we can begin by determining what righteousness is.

Some of us know.

Olive Oil Goombah
06-10-2009, 05:56 PM
Is it wrong to believe that some people can't be helped or absolutely refuse to be???

Because I believe this. And I'm talking about people close to me.

Selfishness...not giving a fuck about how your actions affect others. Not being able to see the bigger picture.

Its a mindset....we are too programmed for the here and now and instant gratification.

Notice the difference between us and immigrant families in particular Asians ones.

We need to be taught differently.
We are taught to be selfish, and that somehow, caring and teamplay is for the weak.

Uncle Steezo
06-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Kobe wasn't a champion till he learned how to pass the rock.

The economic crisis is the result of "greed is good".

Its a simple lesson but an easy one to forget or ignore.
"We all are connected". Even on the atomic level its a scientific fact.

once you live by that mantra, power over others and money are worthless. But if you judge yourself and live by righteous metrics you will crave neither.

Self family community environment

DUMBO
06-10-2009, 07:54 PM
sorry for being a prick today guys. my little brother spiked my morning cereal with devil's milk again.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-10-2009, 09:00 PM
Word up....i love this discussion....the truth comes out, and people will be enlightened....part of OUR master plan....but yeah, understanding and speaking multiple laguanges is very helpful to knowedge many types of people....so my people...jus know your angle to an individual and act accordingly....luv

Black Man
06-11-2009, 09:31 AM
To address dumbo's remarks on self reflection.

Self-Family-Community-Environment

It all begins with self.

You can't build on a shakey foundation.

The severe lack of self reflection is why american families and communities are fucked up which leads to an unhealty environment which further perpetuates the problem.

Self reflection is only the act of looking at ones self. Without righteous metrics to determine ones condition, self examination is useless.

So we can begin by determining what righteousness is.

Some of us know.

Peace. Some people don't want to look in the mirror because they already know what they're going to see and they don't want to look at themselves in that way. One of the reasons why certain people say I didn't have slaves or my family didn't own slaves is because they're trying to escape something. And granted, they may not of owned slaves then or nor, but they're still standing and watching the injustices happen....and they do nothing. That's because they're passive participants of injustice. They really don't want to look at their own self because they don't want to see themselves like that.

Uncle Steezo
06-11-2009, 12:52 PM
True indeed.

Olive Oil Goombah
06-11-2009, 01:45 PM
Peace. Some people don't want to look in the mirror because they already know what they're going to see and they don't want to look at themselves in that way. One of the reasons why certain people say I didn't have slaves or my family didn't own slaves is because they're trying to escape something. And granted, they may not of owned slaves then or nor, but they're still standing and watching the injustices happen....and they do nothing. That's because they're passive participants of injustice. They really don't want to look at their own self because they don't want to see themselves like that.


Its always somebody elses fault...its never my fault. I didnt do anything wrong. I was born into this. I cant catch a break. The world is against me.

blah fucking blah.

Self-pity and finger pointing, whomever may be doing it is THE BIGGEST WASTE OF ENERGY there is.

Admitting you are wrong is a huge problem because everyone is supposed to have this inflated sense of pride. SO much so that they themselves become a slave to whatever they are overly prideful about.

huge problem.

Black Man
06-11-2009, 02:27 PM
Peace. Some people don't want to look in the mirror because they already know what they're going to see and they don't want to look at themselves in that way. One of the reasons why certain people say I didn't have slaves or my family didn't own slaves is because they're trying to escape something. And granted, they may not of owned slaves then or nor, but they're still standing and watching the injustices happen....and they do nothing. That's because they're passive participants of injustice. They really don't want to look at their own self because they don't want to see themselves like that.

It should be understood that everybody really isn't comfortable with discussions like this, and it should be understood why.

When these discussions come up, there's typical responses....

A) Reversal
B) Disassociation
C) Denial
D) Depression
E) Condescension
F) Anger

RALPH WIGGUM
06-11-2009, 03:05 PM
Peace. Some people don't want to look in the mirror because they already know what they're going to see and they don't want to look at themselves in that way. One of the reasons why certain people say I didn't have slaves or my family didn't own slaves is because they're trying to escape something. And granted, they may not of owned slaves then or nor, but they're still standing and watching the injustices happen....and they do nothing. That's because they're passive participants of injustice. They really don't want to look at their own self because they don't want to see themselves like that.

Yes, I remember when I stated that everybody that watched crimes without doing anything was and is a racist, some people said I was feeling guilty, but they're the one who refuse truth, why ?

Inspectah_Dirk
06-11-2009, 03:15 PM
At least slavery gets shit done. Look at Egypt..the pyramids. Don't complain, ya'll did good.

Olive Oil Goombah
06-11-2009, 04:15 PM
It should be understood that everybody really isn't comfortable with discussions like this, and it should be understood why.

When these discussions come up, there's typical responses....

A) Reversal
B) Disassociation
C) Denial
D) Depression
E) Condescension
F) Anger

This doesn't just go for these discussion, it can go for anything in life. ANYTHING.

Yes, I remember when I stated that everybody that watched crimes without doing anything was and is a racist, some people said I was feeling guilty, but they're the one who refuse truth, why ?

Thats a very extreme way of looking at something. If a black crack dealer is getting robbed by a white crackhead and you do nothing about it, that makes you 'racist'???

I think people tend to get a bit too idealistic, especially in this forum.

Plus, people have a way of looking at things through their own perception of wrong and right and lie to themselves to justify things.

To attempt to categorize these things on a macro level is foolish because most of these larger problems started on micro levels by people who are far from associated from those getting blaimed for things now.

I mean, you can blaim a white American from Appalachin living in a shack or some immigrant from Europe working in a factory for slavery, but do you really think they are concerned with injustice done to others when they have had injustices done and continually being done to themselves?

ANd furthermore, this really isn't a racial issue.

Its more of a current social issue with most of America, or at least thats more of the perspective I am looking at it from right now.

You may have another agenda.

In my experiences and my life, I have seen the good and bad on both sides, and truthfully, whites and blacks are really no different from eachother.

What really seperates people is wealth and class.

A black man, a latino and a white man from the hood all act a certain way. Same can be said for these same 3 from the middle class, upper class, etc.


I heard a great quote in the movie REDS recently where a man said:

"I think that any guy who is always interested in the condition of the world and changing it either has no problems of his own or refuses to face them.'

RALPH WIGGUM
06-11-2009, 04:34 PM
Thats a very extreme way of looking at something. If a black crack dealer is getting robbed by a white crackhead and you do nothing about it, that makes you 'racist'???

I think people tend to get a bit too idealistic, especially in this forum.

Plus, people have a way of looking at things through their own perception of wrong and right and lie to themselves to justify things.

To attempt to categorize these things on a macro level is foolish because most of these larger problems started on micro levels by people who are far from associated from those getting blaimed for things now.

I mean, you can blaim a white American from Appalachin living in a shack or some immigrant from Europe working in a factory for slavery, but do you really think they are concerned with injustice done to others when they have had injustices done and continually being done to themselves?

ANd furthermore, this really isn't a racial issue.

Its more of a current social issue with most of America, or at least thats more of the perspective I am looking at it from right now.

You may have another agenda.

In my experiences and my life, I have seen the good and bad on both sides, and truthfully, whites and blacks are really no different from eachother.

What really seperates people is wealth and class.

A black man, a latino and a white man from the hood all act a certain way. Same can be said for these same 3 from the middle class, upper class, etc.


I heard a great quote in the movie REDS recently where a man said:

"I think that any guy who is always interested in the condition of the world and changing it either has no problems of his own or refuses to face them.'

First, I want you to know this is the best post I've ever seen from you.
Of course it's not black and white.
There are a lot of whites who are oppressed, who bust their ass to feed their family, who can't make both ends meet, and I respect them. But everybody in a bad condition will want to blame it on somebody. And often, these poor whites blame it on who they're told to dislike, immigrants, black people... Thats why the majority of people support governments that treat them like shit, because we're being told what confronts us by the people who confront us.
By his passiveness, the poor white working at the factory got his part of responsability for the condition he's in, and for the conditions other oppressed people are.

Olive Oil Goombah
06-11-2009, 05:03 PM
What can the poor white in the factory do?

Lets be real here.

He can vote what??? Democrat?? Does that make him 'active' against injustice?? Like the fucking Democrats are that much different from republicans. They are all basically the same. Bureaucrats and politicians. That in and of itself is and exclusive group that very few belong too.

Furthermore a poor person working to feed his family has much more pressing things on his mind.

Like the quote I just wrote layed out....they have LIVES.

Is a person going to fight for another person taking his job and lowering his pay?

No. That is NOT going to happen. WHy would you expect that to happen?

Basically, every human being is at his or her root selfish and out for their own self-preservation.

its called an Id, and it contains our most animalistic instincts.

If you are living every day just trying to survive until the next day and you have mouths to feed, your Id will undoubtedly play a bigger role.

I understand that yes, it starts with self, but when you are preoccupied with basic survival, it leaves no time for reflection. SO expecting the minimum wage 'factory worker' to become a step outside the box leading activist is unrealistic.



Dirt you seem to be one of those people with no problems of their own.

Do you know why I don't feel guilty about what other people do??

Because I have been slurred by others several times, I've seen the stereotypes directed at 'me' in the movies and media, etc.

But mainly because I don't add to the problem, and I know that I am my own man who makes my own decisions who understands the big picture.

Guilt is another form of pity. I dislike pity. I don't want to be pitied, I don't believe in pitying others.
There may be brief times for pity, but people tend to milk it longer than it should go on.

If its utopia your looking for, you will die unhappy. This planet is not perfect. It has never been.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-11-2009, 10:51 PM
we don't want...pity...we want the respect that should of been given to us a LONG time ago...so we must keep people reminded of what we're fightin for which others are callin it "complaining"....we have been thru centuries of tryin to get our respect...then demanded are respect...them faught for our respect....and STILL get shut down...and only be able to progress a LIL' more evey year as the "shut down" effect is wheighing more on the negative side shows that they are winning our "WAR" for are respect which makes things worse...so what don't want nobody pity...and we ain't beggin fa shit no mo'....so our people is going to continue to fight because it IS a "war" so to speak nah mean...and yet continue to stay conscious n righteous..but it's not just fight respect only...the oppressors wanna have ALL the power...WE just want either respect where we can work together.....or run our own shit...where whoeva got a problem wit it can go run their own shit....but don't fuck wit us or bother us for shit word up....if we can become one as a nation(within righteousness, no wickedness)...we could look out for our own people instead of allowing "someone else" call all da shots and CHOOSE what they wanna do with who...(because they have the power to do so and the other have no say so)...for example,....black wallstreet in oklahoma....a whole state...wit a lil' black community, the black community united and formed them a lil' city type community, they had their own schools, hospitals, stores, businesses ect...they didn't need nobody respect, or have nobody permission...but who ran up in there in their spot and got to SHOOTIN' UP everybody and whoever they ain't kill they arrested...(for no reason...just because they thought they had that power...but they knew they wasn't right cuz they were evil in themselves....then they sent the order to burn down their buildings and to drop tnt on their community to destroy everything as much as possible...for what??...they weren't fuckin' wit nobody...they decided to be grown about they shit and make their own shit that they owned and ran...how they wanted to run it....they weren't even tryin' to fuck wit nobody...jus tryna live their lives civilized with no eneies...gotta go...build

LORD NOSE
06-11-2009, 11:12 PM
Greenwood is a neighborhood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood) in Tulsa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa,_Oklahoma), Oklahoma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma). As one of the most successful and wealthiest African American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American) communities in the United States during the early 20th Century, it was popularly known as America's "Black Wall Street (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wall_Street)" until the Tulsa Race Riot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Race_Riot) of 1921. The riot was one of the most devastating race riots in history and it destroyed the once thriving Greenwood community. Greenwood is still being rebuilt today because of the destruction over 80 years ago.





The Rosewood massacre was a violent, racially motivated conflict that took place during the first week of January 1923 in rural Levy County, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_County,_Florida). Six blacks and two whites were killed, and the town of Rosewood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood,_Florida) was abandoned and destroyed during what was characterized as a race riot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riot). Racial disturbances were common during the early 20th century in the United States, reflecting the nation's rapid social changes. Florida had an especially high number of lynchings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching) in the years before the massacre, including a well-publicized incident in December 1922.

Kemeticly Doubs
06-12-2009, 12:23 AM
See what im sayin'....good shit on da backup i couldnt some it up freestlye

Face of the Golden Falcon
06-12-2009, 12:41 AM
At least slavery gets shit done. Look at Egypt..the pyramids. Don't complain, ya'll did good.

Although this sort of B.S doesn't even deserve a reply; The pyramids weren't built by slaves. Try again.

Nick Fury
06-12-2009, 12:51 AM
yes black people can "complain"

after affects can still be felt

Kemeticly Doubs
06-12-2009, 01:13 AM
Word up on that yo, some people just cant see it do'...and how dare dude say we built the pyramids as slaves....ludacris

diggy
06-12-2009, 01:21 AM
The Rosewood massacre was a violent, racially motivated conflict that took place during the first week of January 1923 in rural Levy County, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_County,_Florida). Six blacks and two whites were killed, and the town of Rosewood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood,_Florida) was abandoned and destroyed during what was characterized as a race riot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riot). Racial disturbances were common during the early 20th century in the United States, reflecting the nation's rapid social changes. Florida had an especially high number of lynchings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching) in the years before the massacre, including a well-publicized incident in December 1922.


Have you seen the movie 'rosewood' with Vince (black guy from pulp fiction gettin violated)?

RALPH WIGGUM
06-12-2009, 04:34 AM
What can the poor white in the factory do?

Lets be real here.

He can vote what??? Democrat?? Does that make him 'active' against injustice?? Like the fucking Democrats are that much different from republicans. They are all basically the same. Bureaucrats and politicians. That in and of itself is and exclusive group that very few belong too.

Furthermore a poor person working to feed his family has much more pressing things on his mind.

Like the quote I just wrote layed out....they have LIVES.

Is a person going to fight for another person taking his job and lowering his pay?

No. That is NOT going to happen. WHy would you expect that to happen?

Basically, every human being is at his or her root selfish and out for their own self-preservation.

its called an Id, and it contains our most animalistic instincts.

If you are living every day just trying to survive until the next day and you have mouths to feed, your Id will undoubtedly play a bigger role.

I understand that yes, it starts with self, but when you are preoccupied with basic survival, it leaves no time for reflection. SO expecting the minimum wage 'factory worker' to become a step outside the box leading activist is unrealistic.



Dirt you seem to be one of those people with no problems of their own.

Do you know why I don't feel guilty about what other people do??

Because I have been slurred by others several times, I've seen the stereotypes directed at 'me' in the movies and media, etc.

But mainly because I don't add to the problem, and I know that I am my own man who makes my own decisions who understands the big picture.

Guilt is another form of pity. I dislike pity. I don't want to be pitied, I don't believe in pitying others.
There may be brief times for pity, but people tend to milk it longer than it should go on.

If its utopia your looking for, you will die unhappy. This planet is not perfect. It has never been.

Let's take an extreme example, Germany and France in like 1942/1943, people knew what kind of state they were living under. In Germany, most of the people did what they were asked to do, some took advantage of the situation to clmb up in the social ladder. Have you read "Alone in Berlin", its a great book on German resistance, it shows how somebody decides to stop obeying, he witnesses things he disapproves, he experiences things that are not what he was told, and he wants to warn other people. Why did most of the people obey? Because they were lied to, they were afraid.
In France, some of the people resisted, but the power collaborated, thats how the french governement deported thousands of jews.

You're right, people act selfishly, because if you look at almost every resistant, you'll find something that happenned to them that triggered their involvment, like being forced to work in Germany, losing a child in a war...

I don't believe in pity neither, pity is something you do to avoid action, to give yourself a good conscience.
You don't have to feel guilty to see the truth. I'm not looking for utopia, I'm looking for truth.
And I don't allow you to try and judge me, you can't, you don't know me.

Uncle Steezo
06-12-2009, 08:02 AM
Saying the Id is the core of every human is like saying the core of a car is gasoiline.

Id based thinking is dominant because that's how you are conditioned to behave in western culture.

The Id is the weakest of the three.

Someone who is driven solely by animalistic desires is an animal.


I also think your examples are unrealistic and skewed.

The poor whiteman has always gained strength and had a sense of security knowing that he had a back to stand on. It was the nigger.
Today its the mexican.

But also rember that the poor, of any race, are always the 1st to become activists.

Inspectah_Dirk
06-12-2009, 12:49 PM
Although this sort of B.S doesn't even deserve a reply; The pyramids weren't built by slaves. Try again.

Haha, dude, chill. I was just joking.

Obviously i think slavery was the biggest bullshit white people ever did. No living person should be enslaved. There is no excuse for what people did. Slavery is one of the worst things ever in history..that's what i think.

LORD NOSE
06-12-2009, 12:53 PM
Have you seen the movie 'rosewood' with Vince (black guy from pulp fiction gettin violated)?


yup - just watched it again with my 86 year old Grandmother - she was a baby in florida when this thing happened

Saying the Id is the core of every human is like saying the core of a car is gasoiline.

Id based thinking is dominant because that's how you are conditioned to behave in western culture.

The Id is the weakest of the three.

Someone who is driven solely by animalistic desires is an animal.


I also think your examples are unrealistic and skewed.

The poor whiteman has always gained strength and had a sense of security knowing that he had a back to stand on. It was the nigger.
Today its the mexican.

But also rember that the poor, of any race, are always the 1st to become activists.


post more often man - and can you refresh my memory on exactly what the ID is

RALPH WIGGUM
06-12-2009, 05:44 PM
Anybody saw that movie? I didn't but I heard it's good.

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Olive Oil Goombah
06-13-2009, 12:51 AM
Saying the Id is the core of every human is like saying the core of a car is gasoiline.

Id based thinking is dominant because that's how you are conditioned to behave in western culture.

The Id is the weakest of the three.

Someone who is driven solely by animalistic desires is an animal.


I also think your examples are unrealistic and skewed.

The poor whiteman has always gained strength and had a sense of security knowing that he had a back to stand on. It was the nigger.
Today its the mexican.

But also rember that the poor, of any race, are always the 1st to become activists.

You have to realize that alot of these people are driven by their Id. Even the whiteman.

Yea, the poor whiteman could always say he is better than the nigger, but the poor whiteman is still a nigger himself. He is closer to a nigger than he is to the dominant Whiteman.

He is in denial if he thinks he isn't. Thats part of the problem.

You got idiot ass people thinking they are something they are not.

But groups are going to stick with groups. That is something that we have to acknowledge is a fact in our time.


I never said necessarily that the Id is the strongest. I believe it is the weakest as well. I think the people whose Ego is strongest are best suited for leadership because they balance both the Id and the Superego.


People who are controlled by the superego are too idealistic and unrealistic. Much more so even than those controlled by the Id. At least the Id people are indeed REAL and experience realism in its truest form.


Dirt McGirt...using an example, is driven solely by superego. Unrealistic...idealistic.



Its hard for a black man to understand the perspective of a white man and vice versa. In fact, its impossible most of the time.


Does the black man just want equality, or does the black man want to take over, and want the black man to be dominant???

Lets be realistic...dont all people really want their own kind to dominate?

Is there anythign really surprising bout that?

Would I rather be lead by my own kind, or by alien people?


Maybe sometime in the future, when Americans and America becomes more and more its own unique culture, this will happen.

It has already happened in a way with the election of Obama.

How many other countries with white majorities have elected a brown/black man as President??

Think about this.....im not saying this overrides any injustice that happens or that it means that we are one happy family.

But this is very rare indeed, and for all the bashign that the US gets for certain foreign policy decisions, it is still by far the most accepting nation on the planet.


When Japan, the Netherlands, England, France etc. does something of tht sort, than they can start talking shit.

This is not some patriotic bullshit either. The proof is inthe puddin.

LORD NOSE
06-13-2009, 01:29 AM
that's how you see it

but how well did you look ?

understanding what this system does and why it does what it does is needed in order for one to understand why its on it way out like the systems that went out before it

black people in general don't want to take over in the way they were taken over
being taken over by those who they have taken over is something too many white people fear and this is one of the things that keeps them unjust overall and unwilling to even out the playing fields - fear - the black man does not want to be dominant, he's already dominant - the whole world follows everything he does whether good or bad - they copy everything - he is the original in everything - so he is responsible for the condition this world is in because he is the god - thats why he extracted out of himself that destructive gene - so he can get a good look at whats inside of his own being - now that we see ourselves, now what ?

whitey
06-13-2009, 03:16 AM
Anybody saw that movie? I didn't but I heard it's good.

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some nice titties though.

Uncle Steezo
06-13-2009, 07:51 AM
Western psychology proposes there are 3 identities at war within the human mind.
The id- carnal desire. food sex pleasure.
The ego- the conscious mind. What you would consider personality and thought.
The superego- the image of perfection that a person strives to be. The super ego can be righteous and healthy or it can be distorted and wicked or anywhere between.



Its funny that this is actually the modern western story of set heru and ausar. Except in the kemetic science of life, ausar or superego is always righteous.
Ausar is the divine element of humanity. When Set or id is kept in check by heru/ego, ausar can take his proper place on the throne.

Kamau (egyptians) identify seven additional "entities" or forces at work within the mind and body.

By following divine law (ma'at) one begins to ascend these entities until he transcends the limitations of the physical plane completely and is God.

The jews bit the steez. They call it kabbalah or "hidden" the shit is damn near verbatim but give zero credit.




Nick, knowing that reality is malleable, what does being "realistic" mean?
In other words I can alter reality by applying an ideal to an action.

Being realistic is a state of submission. Your thoughts/ actions are driven by externals.
Being idealistic is a state of dominance. Your thoughts/actions originate from within.
This dominance is one aspect of divinity.

Uncle Steezo
06-13-2009, 08:02 AM
The dopest part of this system is that it applies to everything. From the creation of a star to moral decisions to physical activity.

"As above so below"

Macro micro



Cousteau

Olive Oil Goombah
06-13-2009, 03:24 PM
interesting.

I suppose realism is a form of submission, it sets up 'barriers' so to speak.

im tired now tho..will think more on it later.

Face of the Golden Falcon
06-13-2009, 07:28 PM
Western psychology proposes there are 3 identities at war within the human mind.
The id- carnal desire. food sex pleasure.
The ego- the conscious mind. What you would consider personality and thought.
The superego- the image of perfection that a person strives to be. The super ego can be righteous and healthy or it can be distorted and wicked or anywhere between.



Its funny that this is actually the modern western story of set heru and ausar. Except in the kemetic science of life, ausar or superego is always righteous.
Ausar is the divine element of humanity. When Set or id is kept in check by heru/ego, ausar can take his proper place on the throne.

Kamau (egyptians) identify seven additional "entities" or forces at work within the mind and body.

By following divine law (ma'at) one begins to ascend these entities until he transcends the limitations of the physical plane completely and is God.

The jews bit the steez. They call it kabbalah or "hidden" the shit is damn near verbatim but give zero credit.




Nick, knowing that reality is malleable, what does being "realistic" mean?
In other words I can alter reality by applying an ideal to an action.

Being realistic is a state of submission. Your thoughts/ actions are driven by externals.
Being idealistic is a state of dominance. Your thoughts/actions originate from within.
This dominance is one aspect of divinity.

PEACE for dropping some Kamitic Spiritual Science. Although I wouldn't bother trying to jigsaw puzzle western psychology with Kamitic Spiritual Science. That's trying to fit a square piece into a round (w)hole. Psychology addresses only the psyche and doesn't come at it from a whole being perspective. Ausar cannot and must not be limited to "within the mind" if a proper grasp of the Kamitic Tree of Life is to be attained.

I've got a feeling you are already aware of this though and are trying to break it down with something that people can associate it with and are familiar with. However, I'd say that the best way to approach Kamitic Spiritual Science is with a clean slate and not with pyschology as a foundation.

SHEM HETEP

Uncle Steezo
06-13-2009, 07:52 PM
True indeed

I was trying to slip the pill in the dog food. Hopefully start some down the path.



Truth be told, the incompleteness of psychology is why it fails. Mainly because it doesn't acknowlege divinity and doesn't or can't comprehend the biochemical/spiritual dialog between man and God.

I been deep into this book by maaxeru tep
Maat kemetic soulism.
It gets into the scientific and mathematic aspects of aursarianism.

Face of the Golden Falcon
06-14-2009, 01:17 AM
True indeed

I was trying to slip the pill in the dog food. Hopefully start some down the path.



Truth be told, the incompleteness of psychology is why it fails. Mainly because it doesn't acknowlege divinity and doesn't or can't comprehend the biochemical/spiritual dialog between man and God.

I been deep into this book by maaxeru tep
Maat kemetic soulism.
It gets into the scientific and mathematic aspects of aursarianism.

ALL PEACE.

Never heard of Maaxeru tep. Will definitely have to check it out.

SHEM HETEP

Mumm Ra
06-14-2009, 05:42 AM
^ yeah me too..

LORD NOSE
06-15-2009, 01:49 AM
Western psychology proposes there are 3 identities at war within the human mind.
The id- carnal desire. food sex pleasure.
The ego- the conscious mind. What you would consider personality and thought.
The superego- the image of perfection that a person strives to be. The super ego can be righteous and healthy or it can be distorted and wicked or anywhere between.



Its funny that this is actually the modern western story of set heru and ausar. Except in the kemetic science of life, ausar or superego is always righteous.
Ausar is the divine element of humanity. When Set or id is kept in check by heru/ego, ausar can take his proper place on the throne.

Kamau (egyptians) identify seven additional "entities" or forces at work within the mind and body.

By following divine law (ma'at) one begins to ascend these entities until he transcends the limitations of the physical plane completely and is God.

The jews bit the steez. They call it kabbalah or "hidden" the shit is damn near verbatim but give zero credit.




Nick, knowing that reality is malleable, what does being "realistic" mean?
In other words I can alter reality by applying an ideal to an action.

Being realistic is a state of submission. Your thoughts/ actions are driven by externals.
Being idealistic is a state of dominance. Your thoughts/actions originate from within.
This dominance is one aspect of divinity.


thanks yo




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