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diggy
06-14-2009, 03:28 AM
Australia's Indian students vow action


By Phil Mercer
BBC News, Sydney


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Indian students in Australia have vowed to fight back against a series of callous attacks they have blamed on racists.

Furious demonstrators have rallied in Sydney and Melbourne, where dozens of assaults have been reported in the past year.



"People got stabbed in their houses, on train stations, on the street and there were petrol bombs thrown on people's cars," said Gautam Gupta, the founder of the Federation of Indian Students of Australia. He accused the authorities of being "too slow" to respond to the violence.



"We have no reason to believe they are not racist attacks," Mr Gupta told the BBC.



"Whenever they are attacking they always use the words 'Indians, go back'," he said.



"It would be insulting to all the good people of Australia to say the country is racist. There are racist elements and we will fight with them."
The federation is organising self-defence classes for worried students and, in at least one case, there has been violent retaliation, where rough justice has been meted out to those suspected of targeting young Indians.



Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has warned against vigilante action, and, while deploring the abuse of foreign students, he said it was "equally unacceptable for so-called reprisal attacks".





Diplomatic tension
In Melbourne, home to many of the 90,000 Indians who are studying in Australia, the police will intensify patrols at known trouble-spots, including a dozen train stations.


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Senior commanders have insisted the beefed-up response is driven by crime in general, and not only the muggings and beatings of international students.



Australian authorities have conceded that some of the attacks on Indian expatriates were fuelled by racial prejudice.
But there is an official belief that most are the work of opportunistic criminals preying on easy targets, who often travel alone on public transport after dark.



"I think it would break the heart of any Australian to see an Indian student who has come to this country to get a good education the subject of a violent attack," said Julia Gillard, Australia's Welsh-born deputy prime minister.





The identity, background and motives of alleged assailants remain sketchy.


Certainly not all are white, but from a range of ethnic groups, and other foreign students have been victims, not just Indians.



While the debate rages, and the diplomatic stress between Canberra and Delhi continues to simmer, with India calling on Australia to do more to protect its expatriates, the violence shows little sign of abating.
"It is really very bad. Almost every day there is a case where an Indian is being bashed openly and aggressively," said Raj P Dudeja, the chief editor of the Melbourne-based Indian Voice newspaper.



He initially blamed young teenagers but believes more recently a hidden wave of hostility has been perpetrated by racists.



"Some people didn't report these matters with a fear that their names would appear in police records, which might affect their application for migration in the future," added Mr Dudeja, who has praised the response of Victorian police and its newly appointed chief commissioner, Simon Overland.





Scars
The spate of attacks, though, has damaged Australia's reputation and there are concerns the country's multi-billion-dollar education business that relies, in large part, on the fees paid by foreigners could suffer as a result.



For many youngsters from overseas, however, the Australian experience is positive and enriching.



"I've never come across any kind of racial discrimination," explained Ranjinee Dey, 25, from Calcutta who is studying for a Masters in organisational psychology in Melbourne.





"One of my aunts [in India] felt that as soon as I stepped out the house someone would be jumping on me and attacking me, which I thought was ridiculous," she told the BBC.



"The retaliation attack got me a bit concerned because something like that can easily spiral into something a lot more serious. It is one violent incident leading to another," she said.
It was a drunken assault on Gautam Gupta on a university campus in Melbourne that led to the creation of the Federation of Indian Students of Australia.



"I was almost in a depressionfor a year. It took me a very long time to recover and the scars still remain and as a result of that attack we started what is now the federation," he said.



Community groups in Melbourne and Sydney have been working to soothe tensions but there are fears the situation may have reached breaking point and that Indian students will continue their noisy rallies, raising the prospect of further confrontations with those suspected of carrying out racist attacks.



"The level of frustration has gone beyond a manageable limit," Mr Gupta said of the young Indian protesters.



"They are angry. They don't know what else to do. How else can they get their voice heard?"









http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8097526.stm

Olive Oil Goombah
06-14-2009, 03:25 PM
If your new to a neighborhood, your gonna get fucked with until you prove you belong.


This new generation is the most sensitive and pussy generation ever.

Build some schools in India....better yet, how about all Aussie and US schools not accept any foreigners.

Cuts down the risk of bad publicity.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-14-2009, 03:48 PM
^^^because white australians and white americans are the original foreigners

and fuck being sensitive, bigotry shouldn't be condoned in the 21st century

Olive Oil Goombah
06-14-2009, 04:04 PM
Yes, and the original foreigners were at risk from Indian attacks, and they were indeed victims of them, but they knew the risks.

You sensitive ass punk. You'd be the first to be a bigot.

Wait til the shoe is on the other foot. That day is fastly approaching.

The Hound
06-14-2009, 04:40 PM
Indians rally as suburb seethes


Tensions mounted between Lebanese and Indians in Harris Park as stories circulated that the man who had appeared had been taken by four men to Fairfield before he escaped.
The issue of race had been simmering all night but as police put the man - red-eyed and distraught - in a police car, he said he could not determine the ethnicity of his alleged attackers.
"They were wearing balaclavas," he said.
The crowd chanted slogans calling police racist, but when the man was taken to Parramatta police station to make a statement the tension eased and the crowd dropped to about 100.
Police could not confirm his story last night.
Late in the evening, a group broke away and clashed with a group of Lebanese men who then fled in a white car that hit at least one of the protesters in its path.
After the violence escalated, waves of Indian men raced up the street followed by police cars. Two men were arrested about 9pm as police tried to move the crowd on.
One of the men was charged with carrying a pole that could have been used as a weapon, police said.

Plans were made among the mob to travel to Granville to confront Lebanese youths, but they could not rally enough support. Later, members of the mob said they could not go home as they feared carloads of men were waiting to meet them beyond the police cordon.
"Someone could die tonight," one said.
The crowd dispersed about midnight, a police spokeswoman said.

Indian leaders met police in Parramatta yesterday afternoon to discuss the previous night's violence. Up to 200 men of Indian background had rallied in the main street of Harris Park after reports that a group of men of Middle Eastern appearance had assaulted an Indian man.
Police said the attacks were not racially motivated. Community leaders more or less agreed, but the mood was very different on the streets.
"Our people don't say nothing until water goes up over the top," Jindi Singh, a taxi driver from Harris Park, said. "Police won't do anything, but we've got to do something."
Leaders of the Indian community gathered at Billu's Indian Eatery and Sweet House on Monday night. They were there to discuss last month's fire bomb attack on Indian students a few blocks away.
The group did not want it to become a racial issue, but said the attacks had no other motivation. "I'm a bit worried, of course, because of last night," said Avtar Singh, who owns the restaurant and was part of the delegation.
"I want to stop this."
Calls for calm

Foreign Minister Stephen Smith called on Indian students to be calm, echoing the calls from Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his external affairs minister S.M. Krishna.
The Australian Government was working with the Indian high commission and state police forces to bring the attackers to justice, Mr Smith said.
"It may well take some time to bring these matters entirely under control but we're working very assiduously and closely with the Indian Government on it," he told ABC Television.

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The irony of this is that White people did the same thing back in 2005 and it was hailed as a drunken, racist mob. Indians do it and they are the poor, innocent victim.

Mob violence envelops Cronulla

December 11, 2005 - 7:57PM


Police have been pushed, pelted with beer bottles and had their patrol cars stomped on as violence worsens at Sydney's Cronulla Beach.
Racial tension turned to violence today as at least 5000 angry people converged on the beach after simmering anger and disputes between beach users flared last week.


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The even bigger irony is that White people are not the ones entirely responsible responsible.

The attacks on Indians have followed this pattern, with the crimes committed by a polyglot mix reflecting the streets - white, Asian, Middle Eastern, Aboriginal, Pacific Islander.
The ethnicity of the attackers thus varies from crime to crime. The police are telling the truth when they describe the attacks as largely motivated by opportunism, because Indian students work late at night, live in lower-cost neighbourhoods, and are regarded as soft targets.Even funnier is the Indians were abusing police but would not venture beyond police controlled streets.

Later, members of the mob said they could not go home as they feared carloads of men were waiting to meet them beyond the police cordon.

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"Our people don't say nothing until water goes up over the top," Jindi Singh, a taxi driver from Harris Park, said. "Police won't do anything, but we've got to do something."
So, what exactly do Aussies have to be ashamed about exactly? Harris Park has always been a haven for Middle Eastern (not Australians) crime.

Harris Park violence 'going on for years'


Tensions boil over on Marion Street in Harris Park last night. Photo: Kate Geraghty

Arjun Ramachandran

June 10, 2009
Street thugs in Harris Park, in Sydney's west, were violently attacking elderly white women for a number of years before shifting their focus to Indians, says a NSW politician who raised the problem of violence in the suburb in State Parliament two years ago.
Gordon Moyes, a member of the NSW upper house, said he understood Indian students' rage at being "picked on", but believed the problem of street crime in Harris Park had gone unaddressed for years.
Meanwhile local businesses have expressed fears that Harris Park - a "sister shopping area" to nearby Parramatta - could turn into a "ghost town" as a result of the unruly protests and street violence.

Indian students 'easy targets'

A leading member of the Sydney Indian community says he believes most of the attacks on local Indian students are opportunist crime.


Mr Moyes said he first became aware of violent street crime in Harris Park a number of years ago when, as head of Wesley Mission, he found his workers were repeatedly robbed while helping people in the area.
"I found that over a period of time many elderly Anglo-Saxon women were attacked and robbed and had their purses snatched and phones stolen," he said.
He said the attacks were mainly carried out by young Middle-Eastern men.
"It was mainly street crime but it was street crime with threats, they were very aggressive. And there were concerns that police weren't around at the time when they were needed."
He raised the issue in Parliament in 2007, questioning the "inability of police to contain" the crime, and called for more police patrols.
"What has happened over the last few years is that a number of Indians students, attracted by fairly cheap accommodation, have come into the area," he said.
"The target - always the soft targets - moved from elderly people walking on the street to Indian students with laptops. I think elderly 'Anglos' became more cautious in venturing out, and the target shifted to another group."
Mr Moyes did not believe the attacks were motivated by traditional racism.
He said the offenders also tended not to be recent immigrants, but were people born in Australia and brought up around the Harris Park and Granville areas.
"This has been their turf for as long as they've been alive, and now they've got different people moving in - there's a bit of assertion on street areas."
Mr Moyes said the anger of young Indians mirrored concerns previously held by the elderly.
"I can understand the rage that has built up, and the way groups of them have decided to come together to protest.
"Any time any group in the community feels like they are being picked on, whether it's elderly pensioners or young Indian students - and feel no one is doing anything about it - they are going to get angry.
"I've also got a great deal of sympathy for police, who can't be everywhere at the same time. They are an easy group to blame."
But he called for more visible patrols along common walking routes, such as near train stations and bus stops.
Police have rejected claims they have not done enough to protect the Indian community in Harris Park. They will hold a press conference this afternoon to discuss policing plans for the area.
The NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research says there has been no recorded increase in assault crimes in Harris Park in the past two years, but many incidents went unreported.
"Somewhere around 70 per cent [of assaults] don't get reported to the police," bureau director Don Weatherburn told the ABC.
This was because students feared that lodging a formal police report would ruin their chances of gaining permanent residency in Australia, Indian community leader Yadu Singh said.
Meanwhile, after a second night of loud protests, businesses in Harris Park feared the precinct could turn into a "ghost town".
"Businesses have been affected. People are opting to shop elsewhere and do their business elsewhere and it will hurt businesses until things settle down," Parramatta Chamber of Commerce president, Trevor Oldfield, said.
"Unless it's managed appropriately, this whole area could become a ghost town for the average shopper."
Mr Oldfield said he understood the reaction of local Indian students.
"They need to be heard, that's the fair thing. It's sad that it's got to this point that they need to demonstrate to this degree to get their message across."
Businesses had been trying to address the same concerns the students had - about violent street crime - by pushing for a CCTV network to be installed in Harris Park and Parramatta.
But Parramatta City Council, in its crime prevention plan for 2008-2013, deemed the installation of a CCTV network infeasible.
"The cost is the thing," Mr Oldfield said. "The suggestion has always been [that the cost be borne] by businesses, but they can't afford it, particularly with the pressures on them at the moment.
"I think the expectation should be that everyone has a right to safety, and with that the Government needs to look at the second largest CBD, Parramatta, and its sister shopping area, Harris Park."

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So, what exactly should I be ashamed about in regards to refo's fighting refo's? The Arabs in the South-West don't assimilate and don't consider themselves Australian so they shouldn't be considered Australian.

Nice try Diggy, but stick to things you know about like homosexuality and how when your father touched you as a child you have turned into a bigoted hate monger.

As for vay, the origin foreigners are the Aborigines. You know, them being from Asia and all.

OB4CL2
06-14-2009, 04:48 PM
wtf. who's gonna read these essays, mate?

Olive Oil Goombah
06-14-2009, 04:50 PM
of course....they all like to play this game.

Its obvious by now.

They hide behind the racism card.


The whole agenda behind most of this is to attack 'whites' and 'western culture' worldwide.

They put targets on our backs and aim to take us down, but at the same time they try to smile in our face and act like they are these weak innocent people.


They don't understand the decency of the white mans culture.

The white mans society is among the most liberal on the planet currently, and in all actuality it is detrimental to whites living their.

These people who want to take whites down realize this and use it to their advantage.

They wanna milk white man culture just like white man culture milked theirs.

I get it, they want revenge.

Thats cool, they will have success during the guilt period of the white man, but that will only last for so long until the white man says fuck being liberal and accepting.


And the retards who want to milk it will have no one to blame but themselves.

They want to turn isolated incidents into world problems.

The Hound
06-14-2009, 05:07 PM
I eagerly anticipate Diggy's opinion on the 88 Australians murdered during the Bali bombings who were targetted because they were tourists whilst drinking at Western populated pubs.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-14-2009, 05:56 PM
Yes, and the original foreigners were at risk from Indian attacks, and they were indeed victims of them, but they knew the risks.

You sensitive ass punk. You'd be the first to be a bigot.

Wait til the shoe is on the other foot. That day is fastly approaching.

Your analogy doesn't work; you're comparing an isolated culture that was a victim of unforeseen imperialist expansion to a society that's willingly allowing 'foreigners' in.

The rest of your post is just typical reactionary tooch.

Olive Oil Goombah
06-14-2009, 06:06 PM
the analogy works perfectly.

The original people in AMerica were fleeing persecution and sought it somewhere foreign. Some Indians were welcoming, others were not.


THe reactionary shit is when a group of people riot over something they do not know the full facts about...than the facts come out and all of a sudden the uproar dies down.

People are looking to attack western culture today....they cannot wait for it. Some dedicate their lives to it.


Its obvious now.

Immigrants have been going thru the 'willingly allowed entry' into countries. Everywhere this is the case.

Like I said, just wait until the shoe is on the other foot, cuz these other people are much more prone to violence.

The Hound
06-14-2009, 06:14 PM
Your analogy doesn't work; you're comparing an isolated culture that was a victim of unforeseen imperialist expansion to a society that's willingly allowing 'foreigners' in.

The rest of your post is just typical reactionary tooch.

And when you consider that more than likely Aboriginals were not the original inhabitants of Australia, this theory is blown out of the water.

The original inhabitants are believed the be the "Java Man" who's skeletal remains and fossils pre-date Aboriginal remains and who's species no longer walks among us.

Olive Oil Goombah
06-14-2009, 06:36 PM
right...attempting to go down the 'original' route has too many holes to be taken seriously.

Its some bullshit people trying to attack western culture resort too.

The Hound
06-14-2009, 06:41 PM
It refutes the foreigner concept and brings into play; How long do you inhabit a land before you are no longer considered "foreign."

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-14-2009, 06:43 PM
^^^following that argument, humanity originates from africa, therefore everyone's a foreigner, there are no native people except native africans. if anything, that helps my argument. Java Men were not contemporaries of aborigines, so it's not as if aboriginals came into their territory and forced them out, or compartmentalized them in small areas as a form of slow motion genocide. only someone who doesn't no history or is trying to twist facts would try to say american indians victimized europeans; the european colonist would likely not have survived had it not been for them.

and western society needs to be attacked; its greed and tendency to exploit indigenous people for economic and political gain (read up on economic hitmen) have helped to create the current world situation. it's a social and economic model that has failed and needs to collapse.

Olive Oil Goombah
06-14-2009, 06:58 PM
western society does not need to be attacked by the religiously extremist assholes in the middle east who have blood on their hands dating back farther than 'white imperialism'.

You really need to brush up on your history of the migrations of the people that have inhabited the Earth.

If you wanna go the 'humanity originates from Africa' route (a common direction for those of your kind) than there are no boundaries and land is everyones.

'Property is theft' just like the quote on Warren Beatty's apartment door in the movie Reds.


The social and economic model has not failed at all, it has achieved more success than anyone probably ever imagined.

More success than Egypt, Rome, and the Bolshevik movement.

The thing is, if you want to bring it down, what are you going to replace it with???

The problem with people like you is that you just want to destroy something because it has faults, but you have no idea what to build in its place.

I have yet to see anyone come up with a better model.

Socialism???

Hardly a new phenomenon.

The 'west' is having less and less of a say as more country move toward becoming players on the global stage.

This shit has already been done before, the only difference now is that its on a global scale instead of a contental one.

WWI was all about Britain and France not wanting Germany to get a piece of the imperialist pie....and everything that happened after that was a direct result of this.


Attacking the West and not saying boo about China sitting right there and the extremist countries in the middle east only gives the impression that you really aren't about a solution, but moreso you just are out to badmouth a place you live in and benefit from because you have never been outside of the country.


As far as twisting history about Indians....well its a fact that the very early colonists were scared of them.
This is before any thoughts of America being a country.

It happend. Indians killed colonists.

To deny that it happened only shows your refusal to acknowledge it happened and brings into question your whole credibility.

You think that with me its a Republican vs. Democrat thing or black vs. white, but its far bigger than that. Those are minor issues that people try to associate with what goes on in the rest of the world falsely.


You buy Nikes?? Im sure you do. You capitalist pig you.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-14-2009, 08:29 PM
^^^I stopped reading after the 'your kind' and 'people like you' ad hominem attacks. you don't know me, you don't know what i represent, i've seen you do this throughout the thread saying 'they' 'them' and putting words into my mouth about socialism, and religious extremists in the middle east---strawmen. you basically indulge in all the fallacies of argumentation every time you post in a serious topic, so it's not worth the effort to go back and forth with you.

have a good day

btw egypt and rome lasted far longer than America has.

Olive Oil Goombah
06-14-2009, 08:33 PM
i knew you wouldnt be able to retort because of your sensitivity.

AMerican has risen much faster, during a much faster paced time in human history. And they will probably fall faster.

diggy
06-14-2009, 09:55 PM
The original people in AMerica were fleeing persecution and sought it somewhere foreign. Some Indians were welcoming, others were not.


Who are the original people of America, Nicky?

The Hound
06-15-2009, 02:18 AM
Funny how Diggy has ignored my counter articles.

^^^following that argument, humanity originates from africa, therefore everyone's a foreigner, there are no native people except native africans. if anything, that helps my argument. Java Men were not contemporaries of aborigines, so it's not as if aboriginals came into their territory and forced them out, or compartmentalized them in small areas as a form of slow motion genocide. only someone who doesn't no history or is trying to twist facts would try to say american indians victimized europeans; the european colonist would likely not have survived had it not been for them.

and western society needs to be attacked; its greed and tendency to exploit indigenous people for economic and political gain (read up on economic hitmen) have helped to create the current world situation. it's a social and economic model that has failed and needs to collapse.

Firstly, I don't care about America's history.

Secondly, you brought up the whole foreign concept and compared foreigners being allowed through the front door as opposed to being forced in. Either way the Java Man allowed what we know as Aborigines today in peacfully or the Aborigines took it by force.

I also find it a little ironic that you sit there and bash Western Culture but take full advantage of the internet and such. If the Western Culture is so bad why don't you go back to somewhere that is primitive that does not represent the evils of Western Culture?

As for the original man coming from Africa, not everybody believes that and some historians believe the original man may have come from Australia which would indicate somebody pre-dates the Java Man and the Aborigines.

Anyway, back on track, neither of you have been able to refute anything I have said in relation to the original topic bar the old "where did the original man" come from.

NIGHT MAYOR
06-15-2009, 02:36 AM
in my opinion its not racialy motivated, anyone that knows west sydney knows this shit is common within all races, alot more indians have been studying ALL OVER australia, and wow imagine them slowly moving into a cheap area and now they thinking that its only happening to them, you have to be a hard cunt to live in alot of suburbs in western sydney.

and they say how the 'attackers' are yelling stuff like "go home indians" or whatever, but if they were attacking white australians they would be yelling "fuck of you white cunts"

its a racist area, but it happens to everyone not just indians

Olive Oil Goombah
06-15-2009, 06:56 AM
Who are the original people of America, Nicky?

The indians migrated there.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-15-2009, 11:07 AM
I also find it a little ironic that you sit there and bash Western Culture but take full advantage of the internet and such. If the Western Culture is so bad why don't you go back to somewhere that is primitive that does not represent the evils of Western Culture?



^^^believes non western countries are all primitive
believes only western countries have the internet

fail

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-15-2009, 11:14 AM
i knew you wouldnt be able to retort because of your sensitivity.

AMerican has risen much faster, during a much faster paced time in human history. And they will probably fall faster.

i did retort, you just debate like an idiot and it's tiresome to deal with someone who brings up strawmen and unrelated topics and tries to attribute ideas and viewpoints to someone that weren't even there.

america is already in a decline and will not be the global superpower within the next 20 years, bet on it

Durag
06-15-2009, 11:16 AM
The most thing Australia has to be ashamed of is the mullets which are clearly still running rampant and destroying society there, as seen in this pic
http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/imgdetail/020309023556_the-combination-banned.jpg

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-15-2009, 02:22 PM
lmao

what movie is that?

Olive Oil Goombah
06-15-2009, 05:33 PM
i did retort, you just debate like an idiot and it's tiresome to deal with someone who brings up strawmen and unrelated topics and tries to attribute ideas and viewpoints to someone that weren't even there.

america is already in a decline and will not be the global superpower within the next 20 years, bet on it

Ok, so every superpower has its rise and fall. Whats your point? your happy about it? Nobody really cares.
Your an American anyway and you benefit as much from what America is as any other AMerican on this forum.

^^^believes non western countries are all primitive
believes only western countries have the internet

fail

You believe all western countries are evil, so really, what is the difference.
Your just an angry little liberal douchebag. But liberal douchebags like yourself are being exposed as the morons they really are.

Nothing but a bunch of over or under educated kids who want to try to recreate the 60's.

Well, this aint the 60s. WuTang will never be what it was...get over it.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-15-2009, 05:44 PM
^^^stereotypical angry white american--- why so serious, fag?

You believe all western countries are evil, so really, what is the difference.
Your just an angry little liberal douchebag. But liberal douchebags like yourself are being exposed as the morons they really are. <<<<<attack of the strawmen

Olive Oil Goombah
06-15-2009, 10:40 PM
nobody is angry at all.

Your the one with the anger against AMerica, being an American yourself.

You used the classic generic internet wucorp insults... 'you fail' etc.

You try to use literary terms and do not use them correctly.

Your clueless and base your information on MSNBC.

The Hound
06-15-2009, 11:27 PM
^^^believes non western countries are all primitive
believes only western countries have the internet

fail

I told you to move to a primitive, non-western culture I did not say non-western culture was primitive, did I?

If the Western Culture is so bad why don't you go back to somewhere that is primitive that does not represent the evils of Western Culture?How do we do this? Oh, yeah!

vay727
^^ Can't comrepehend basic English
^^ Reads words and gets dyslexic and then bleeds out of his rectum
fail.

Still waiting for somebody to refutre the refo on refo crime and how it should make Australians ashamed.

EAGLE EYE
06-15-2009, 11:52 PM
Ok, so every superpower has its rise and fall. Whats your point? your happy about it? Nobody really cares.
Your an American anyway and you benefit as much from what America is as any other AMerican on this forum.



You believe all western countries are evil, so really, what is the difference.
Your just an angry little liberal douchebag. But liberal douchebags like yourself are being exposed as the morons they really are.

Nothing but a bunch of over or under educated kids who want to try to recreate the 60's.

Well, this aint the 60s. WuTang will never be what it was...get over it.


lmao ^^






I fully agree with what you said about these little pukes who want to tear down the Social and Economic model, but never say squat about what they envision the replacement to it is.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-16-2009, 01:18 PM
nobody is angry at all.

Your the one with the anger against AMerica, being an American yourself.

You used the classic generic internet wucorp insults... 'you fail' etc.

You try to use literary terms and do not use them correctly.

Your clueless and base your information on MSNBC.

MSNBC lol
anger at America lol Love the country, hate the government and the corporations

literary terms lol ---i used these incorrectly? This is what you do jackass:

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person." An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:


Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).




The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:


Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/w/why_so_serious_cat-12947.jpg

Olive Oil Goombah
06-16-2009, 10:23 PM
nothing like avoiding the subject completely. Your last post was unnecessary

The Hound
06-17-2009, 01:48 AM
Distraction is the primary tool used by those unwilling to admit to defeat.

Dr. Simon Hurt
06-17-2009, 12:12 PM
nothing like avoiding the subject completely. Your last post was unnecessary

i'm amazed by your lack of reading comprehension. that was in direct response to your post that i quoted lol

the subject is that i believe it is wrong for the 'majority' in a given country or territory to persecute immigrants who are trying to pursue higher education or to better themselves, and aforementioned immigrants have every right to protest perceived discrimination. and even if the same people attacking the indians and yelling go home were attacking elderly white people, does that mean that they couldn't possibly be racist or xenophobic? come on.


Distraction is the primary tool used by those unwilling to admit to defeat.

boner's post is especially amusing due to the fact that you two were the ones going off on tangents in the first place, trying to bait diggy when all he did was post an article...and the fact that you consider a discussion something to be won, where someone can be defeated, shows that you're an immature idiot. this is an exchange of ideas, not a battle. and nicky you went off topic when you were talking about how people new to an area are inevitably going to be fucked with and that this new generation (which i'm sure you're a part of i doubt your that old) is a bunch of sensitive pussies and that america and australia should just not allow foreigners to pursue education here.
This is on topic right:

Nice try Diggy, but stick to things you know about like homosexuality and how when your father touched you as a child you have turned into a bigoted hate monger.
anyway, i'm done with this topic

The Hound
06-17-2009, 12:23 PM
Then why name the thread "Aussies have something to be ashamed about" when, as previously proven, it is more to do with refo's than it is Australians?

It is because Diggy is analy hurt with me and Pat Bateman that he created this issue because this is actually quite old news and he is yet to respond to any counter artciels OR the article where a prominent Indian editor calls the protestors hypocrites.