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Ghost In The 'Lac
06-30-2009, 08:31 AM
as a service?

http://www.noi.org/
http://www.noi.org.uk/

all their websites are under the .org thing too, which is supposed to suggest non profit, yet NOI have a big business in putting on security services for many high earning people

Why would a religious movement be involved with this?
What does it have to do with anything?

By providing security im guessing this would involve harming or possibly killing anyone who was about to cause grief the person who is PAYING THEM to protect.

Is that within the laws of Islam?
I dont see where it fits in.

why do you have a right to harm someone else, because someone is paying you money? This is what security firms are all about obviously, it just seem very strange that a religious organizasition is involved with the whole security thing.

food for thought
06-30-2009, 09:37 AM
my understanding is that .org webistes are not only non-profit.

food for thought
06-30-2009, 09:40 AM
By providing security im guessing this would involve harming or possibly killing anyone who was about to cause grief the person who is PAYING THEM to protect.

Is that within the laws of Islam?
I dont see where it fits in.


i know that they are expected to defend themselves.

they are not asked to turn the other cheek.

if im not mistaken.

why do you have a right to harm someone else, because someone is paying you money?

if you are hired as security,

what do you do when someone intends to harm your employer?

do u sit their idealy?

or do u do what it takes to defend yourself and them?

Ghost In The 'Lac
06-30-2009, 09:41 AM
my understanding is that .org webistes are not only non-profit.


but religious organisations are though
or should be
if they arent thn wtf are they doing

RALPH WIGGUM
06-30-2009, 09:41 AM
Non-profit doesn't mean they can't get money to hire people or whatever, it just means the organisation's purpose is not to make money.

Cee Oh Vee
06-30-2009, 09:55 AM
If their purpose is not to make money, why do they provide the service?

I don't understand it, myself.

food for thought
06-30-2009, 09:59 AM
ok lets start with proving they have a big business in putting on security services for many high earning people


i know they do this for some people.

but my concern is that we are inaccurately calling why they do it and how much they get paid for it (if they even do)

Ghost In The 'Lac
06-30-2009, 10:13 AM
thats true. idk how big the whole op is, but if theyre doing it for Jackson during his court case, im guessing they must have shit on lock, and they arent no amateurs. They recently gave Rev Wright protection too.

But im pretty sure its not a free service lol

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 10:48 AM
why do people who go to church also go to work ?

Cee Oh Vee
06-30-2009, 10:56 AM
Do they go to work under the banner of christianity?

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 11:02 AM
as a service?

http://www.noi.org/
http://www.noi.org.uk/

all their websites are under the .org thing too, which is supposed to suggest non profit, yet NOI have a big business in putting on security services for many high earning people

Why would a religious movement be involved with this?
What does it have to do with anything?

By providing security im guessing this would involve harming or possibly killing anyone who was about to cause grief the person who is PAYING THEM to protect.

Is that within the laws of Islam?
I dont see where it fits in.

why do you have a right to harm someone else, because someone is paying you money? This is what security firms are all about obviously, it just seem very strange that a religious organizasition is involved with the whole security thing.


the nation of islam is not a religion - its a nation -

you know nothing about the NOI - but seem to be very concerned about what the NOI does - and you get your information about the NOI from the Enemies of the NOI and bring it here as fact -

the fact the you spend allot of time trying to defame the Nation here on KTL and on this site, shows us who and what you are - you want to know what the NOI is and how it works, read these



http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6672/51azjmpykdlsl500aa240.jpg



http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/7919/fallofamerica.jpg


http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1152/messagetotheblackman.jpg



http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9370/oursaviourhasarrived.jpg


these will give you some understanding of what the NOI is and what our purpose is - don't spam KTL with these threads





then when you are through with those - read this

Ghost In The 'Lac
06-30-2009, 11:06 AM
the nation of islam is not a religion - its a nation -



this is where it starts to get muddy
can you go into deeper about what the NOI's main manifesto is?

Is it a political party?

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 11:13 AM
this is where it starts to get muddy
can you go into deeper about what the NOI's main manifesto is?

Is it a political party?

i just gave you keys to an understanding of what the NOI is

get Your understanding straight from the source

coming here asking those questions without doing your own research on the people you are ready to crucify will result in nothing but chaos -

the NOI is targeted mostly because of its success rate in cleaning up black people and waking people up in general - we provide security for allot of people because we are the best at it - and at allot of other things - the teachings do that for us and it will do that for you and anyone else who humbles themselves to learn and understand -

Ghost In The 'Lac
06-30-2009, 11:18 AM
The Nation of Islam is a "racialist" organization not at all unlike the World Church of the Creator. They were founded on the idea that black or Negroid people are made in God's image and that white people were literally created in a laboratory thousands of years ago by a Dr. Yacub as an experiment to prove that morality was inseparably linked to skin pigmentation.

The less melanin you have in your skin the more susceptible you were to being unethical, unprincipled, profiteering and abandoned by God.
Hence "the white devil" label they made cliché in the 1950s and 1960s.
The Nation of Islam teaches that a giant spaceship called the Mother Plane will carry out Allah's judgment against those abandoned by God. The Black scientists on this space craft will use "the same bombs that brought up the mountains out of the earth to destroy the white race".
Oh yeah, they also teach that Jesus (http://www.8bm.com/glossary/J/j.htm#jesus) was a Muslim.

This is if anything consistent with their understanding of history since Islam didn't even come into being until 600 years after Christianity (http://www.8bm.com/glossary/C/c.htm#christianity).
Among some of their other beliefs is that God ( Wallace Fard ) came down to the earth disguised as a white man so he could move in and out of the white community without drawing attention to himself.

Well Wallace wasn't any more God than he was white. Although much of what is known of Fard is unflattering, like his stint in prison for selling drugs and so understandably heavily disputed by the Nation of Islam, those that aren't convinced that he was God believe that Fard might have been the son of an African Jamaican mother and a Syrian Muslim father.

Do you believe all of this stuff?

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 11:33 AM
Quote:
The Nation of Islam is a "racialist" organization not at all unlike the World Church of the Creator. They were founded on the idea that black or Negroid people are made in God's image and that white people were literally created in a laboratory thousands of years ago by a Dr. Yacub as an experiment to prove that morality was inseparably linked to skin pigmentation.

The less melanin you have in your skin the more susceptible you were to being unethical, unprincipled, profiteering and abandoned by God.
Hence "the white devil" label they made cliché in the 1950s and 1960s.
The Nation of Islam teaches that a giant spaceship called the Mother Plane will carry out Allah's judgment against those abandoned by God. The Black scientists on this space craft will use "the same bombs that brought up the mountains out of the earth to destroy the white race".
Oh yeah, they also teach that Jesus (http://www.8bm.com/glossary/J/j.htm#jesus) was a Muslim.

This is if anything consistent with their understanding of history since Islam didn't even come into being until 600 years after Christianity (http://www.8bm.com/glossary/C/c.htm#christianity).
Among some of their other beliefs is that God ( Wallace Fard ) came down to the earth disguised as a white man so he could move in and out of the white community without drawing attention to himself.

Well Wallace wasn't any more God than he was white. Although much of what is known of Fard is unflattering, like his stint in prison for selling drugs and so understandably heavily disputed by the Nation of Islam, those that aren't convinced that he was God believe that Fard might have been the son of an African Jamaican mother and a Syrian Muslim father.




Do you believe all of this stuff?


those are not The Nation of Islams Teachings - that was obviously written by an enemy of The Nation who wanted to paint that picture of the NOI -

i gave you keys to understanding what the Nation Of Islam is - search those keys if you truly want to understand - read those then come back here to discuss what you may not understand or agree with - better yet, go to a Mosque in your area and ask questions - if you sincerely want to know -

i don't want to lock this thread - so don't spam it with propaganda

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 11:44 AM
Do they go to work under the banner of christianity?

i don't know - some may

but my people in My nation have security companies and are known to be reformed by Nation Teachings - and that makes them stand out -

we go under the banner of NOI when we are securing NOI

when we are securing others, others put that banner under what we do because we are so good at what we do

should the men in My nation not go to work and provide for their families and Nation ?

should we provide security for others and risk our lives for free ?

i don't see where the beef is

Ghost In The 'Lac
06-30-2009, 11:46 AM
those are not The Nation of Islams Teachings - that was obviously written by an enemy of The Nation who wanted to paint that picture of the NOI -


i don't want to lock this thread - so don't spam it with propaganda

do you consider the fbi website as spamming propaganda?

they say Wallace fard was born in New Zealand, and was in jail for various crimes, from selling narcotics to racketeering

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/fard.htm

But elijah Muhammamed claims Fard is from Mecca, and is god in Human form:

Allah (God) came to us from the Holy City Mecca, Arabia, in 1930. He used the name Wallace D. Fard, often signing it W.D. Fard. In the third year (1933), He signed His name W.F. Muhammad, which stands for Wallace Fard Muhammad. He came alone. He began teaching us the knowledge of ourselves, of God and the devil, of the measurement of the earth, of other planets, and of the civilizations of some of the planets other than earth.

Farrakham now admits that Fard had served jailtime. But Elijah M had denied that Wallace Dodd Fard was the same guy as Wallace Fard Muhammed, even thought they had matching documented fingerprints and photographs.

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 11:56 AM
Farrakham now admits that Fard had served jailtime.

I don't know who farrakham is


but if you cannot show me where Farrakhan said this, i will have to lock this thread - you won't succeed in trying to slide spam into the thread after i warned you over and over again - again - go find out for yourself or be quiet

Ghost In The 'Lac
06-30-2009, 12:06 PM
wow.


While the question of W. F. Muhammad's identity is controversial, the current NOI lead minister, Louis Farrakhan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan), does accept that Fard was imprisoned. He insists that this was because W.F. Muhammad's preaching threatened the racial status quo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo), not because of any criminal acts. However, the most zealous followers of these movements refuse to even consider this possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard

If you close this perfectly regular thread, your time as KTL mod will be up, and we will all be making threads about NOI that you can do nothing about.

Good luck.

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 12:40 PM
wow.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard

If you close this perfectly regular thread, your time as KTL mod will be up, and we will all be making threads about NOI that you can do nothing about.

Good luck.




wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard



is this ^ your proof of what My Minister said ?


i'll give you time to search for his words either written or spoken on that subject - when you are unable to find them, i'll lock the thread anyway just to see what will happen

Black Man
06-30-2009, 12:47 PM
SunnyWinters, what exactly is wrong with this thread? And what is Ghostlaced doing that's in error?

If he's posting information that's not factual, tell the truth and shame the devil.

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 12:52 PM
SunnyWinters, what exactly is wrong with this thread? And what is Ghostlaced doing that's in error?


after reading your reply, i see nothing wrong with it - i now see it as good because it exposes the lies told against my Nation


If he's posting information that's not factual, tell the truth and shame the devil.

ok

Black Man
06-30-2009, 01:12 PM
after reading your reply, i see nothing wrong with it - i now see it as good because it exposes the lies told against my Nation

ok

Tell the truth and shame the devil.

After the truth is given, there's a choice to be made. A person can either accept or reject the truth.

RALPH WIGGUM
06-30-2009, 01:35 PM
I think the truth has been given. What is the source that claims Farrakhan said this? Wikipedia, which often contains articles made by people who are not objectives.
I know someone who had an article made about him on Wikipedia, he found out there were things that were made up about his life, and the date of birth was wrong.

You cannot know someone by listening to his enemy, you have to go to him, talk to him, and make up your mind. Thats critical thinking. You should never be sure of anything. If you decided that the Nation was not righteous, and try to find stuff to prove your point, you're heading the wrong direction. You need to find stuff and find you own conclusions about it. Proceed by order.

diggy
06-30-2009, 02:07 PM
Why does Ghostlace have an obsession with the NOI?

Why does he continually make threads about them?

Is it so it could appear on Google and he could ruin their name?

Why does Ghostlace ask questions about the NOI to people on this site, most of whom are not affiliated with the NOI?

What does Ghostlace want?

Mr. Muhammad
06-30-2009, 03:54 PM
all their websites are under the .org thing too, which is supposed to suggest non profit, yet NOI have a big business in putting on security services for many high earning people
Can you prove that these security businesses are franchises of the "Nation of Islam" as an entity, and not just business ventures of individual members of the Nation of Islam?

Please explain your understanding of what "non-profit" status is. After that, explain, logically, how "security" cannot legally fall under "non-profit" status.

Why would a religious movement be involved with this?
What does it have to do with anything?
As a "Nation" of Islam, we have a "Flag"...a "Constitution"...a set of governing Laws, and a National Agenda. It is not a "religious movement". It is a Universal Movement for the improvement of the Original People, based on the Principles and Laws goverining Creation, established by the Creator.

By providing security im guessing this would involve harming or possibly killing anyone who was about to cause grief the person who is PAYING THEM to protect.
Every living thing has a natural, God-given right to DEFEND itself...especially against unjustified attacks. If I am hired as a personal security guard for an individual, I am not paid to "harm or possibly kill" another human being just for "causing grief" to my employer. I am paid to use only that degree of force that is NECESSARY to protect my employer and/or his interests.

Your "guesses" here are valueless.

Is that within the laws of Islam?
I dont see where it fits in.
Please see above. Have you RESEARCHED to "see where it fits in"? Or, are you just like the proverbial "serpent" in the garden who whispers "suggestions" without offering any evidence or proof?

why do you have a right to harm someone else, because someone is paying you money?
I repeat:
Every living thing has a natural, God-given right to DEFEND itself...especially against unjustified attacks. If I am hired as a personal security guard for an individual, I am not paid to "harm or possibly kill" another human being just for "causing grief" to my employer. I am paid to use only that degree of force that is NECESSARY to protect my employer and/or his interests.

This is what security firms are all about obviously, it just seem very strange that a religious organizasition is involved with the whole security thing.
"Obviously"? ...To whom? You? You obviously have a distorted view of the concept of "security". Security is the business of "making secure"...or "safe from harm or danger". Only the "criminal mind" would by default interpret a person's natural right to receive or provide "security" as some "covert agenda" to "harm or kill".

Any more "whisperings" from the serpent gallery?

RM

Bobby_Digital72
06-30-2009, 10:49 PM
Do you believe all of this stuff?

Just out of Curiosity where did you quote that from?

LORD NOSE
06-30-2009, 11:32 PM
As a "Nation" of Islam, we have a "Flag"...a "Constitution"...a set of governing Laws, and a National Agenda. It is not a "religious movement". It is a Universal Movement for the improvement of the Original People, based on the Principles and Laws goverining Creation, established by the Creator.


RM


echo this a 1000 times

maestro wooz
07-01-2009, 01:18 AM
so do you guys eat white people or what?

Cee Oh Vee
07-01-2009, 01:57 AM
Hahahahah!

Black Man
07-01-2009, 09:15 AM
As a "Nation" of Islam, we have a "Flag"...a "Constitution"...a set of governing Laws, and a National Agenda. It is not a "religious movement". It is a Universal Movement for the improvement of the Original People, based on the Principles and Laws goverining Creation, established by the Creator.


RM


Peace.

The Nation of Islam being a "Nation" and NOT a religion or a "religious movement" Elijah didn't make it easy for people to see that.


Message to the Black Man...Elijah Muhammad

What is Islam?

"While teaching and representing a religion called "Islam" to you..."

"Islam" means entire submission to the Will of Allah (God).


The "source" says he's teaching AND representing a RELIGION called "Islam" and this is from the source.

I'm just saying, he didn't make it easy to see what you're saying.

Peace.

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-01-2009, 10:37 AM
But how do any of you expect anyone to take NOI seriously when the bottom unarguable line with the NOI is that they believe the black man is genetically superior to every other human. You cant gloss over that. Thats called racism, and isnt based in any sort of scientific fact. No differnt from Hitler.

Farrakhan said ""White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet." (Philadelphia Inquirer, 3/18/00)

Now this is all well and good hate words, but then you STILL expect us to take you seriously, WHEN YOUR FOUNDER WAS A WHITE MAN FROM NEW ZEALAND. Who you say was sent from god as a white man so he could "infiltrate". Anyone still taking them seriously?

I havent even mentioned Yacub yet.

And dont tell me thats a lie, because its not, FBI records have him born in new zealand, so the fact you say otherwise because one crazy ass old man Elijah Muhammad said so, IS NOT A VALID SOURCE. FBI website IS.

Black Man
07-01-2009, 11:33 AM
But how do any of you expect anyone to take NOI seriously when the bottom unarguable line with the NOI is that they believe the black man is genetically superior to every other human. You cant gloss over that. Thats called racism, and isnt based in any sort of scientific fact. No differnt from Hitler.

The Original Man (Black Man) is the Supreme Being.

Instead of basing everything you say off of something you yourself BELIEVE, go find out for yourself utilizing the scientific method.

The scientific community has already proven over and over again that the Black Man is the Supreme Being (dominant) genetically/physically as well as physically.

Why do people continue to use Hitler as some sort of reference point not really knowing or understanding Hitler and his history. Hitler knew that the White 'race' or the Colored Man was physically weaker than the Original Man and mentally....well, there's NO comparison! This is something Hitler knew.....that's why the Jews were persecutted because they are a Semitic people. On face value they appear to be 'white' however Hitler was dealing with the blood (genetic) line and his starts with a germ that was NO longer Original, and this blood (genetic) line is NOT the same as the Jews. He, Hitler knew their blood (genes) were different from his 'pure' blood.

Again, the scientific community has already revealed what has been known by the 10% for the last 6,000 years.

What's racism is you utilizing the same methods that keep racism functioning whether you know it or not.

Some people actuall FEAR the truth...can you believe that?

I hardly believe that unless they are blind deaf and dumb.

Farrakhan said ""White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet." (Philadelphia Inquirer, 3/18/00)

Now this is all well and good hate words, but then you STILL expect us to take you seriously, WHEN YOUR FOUNDER WAS A WHITE MAN FROM NEW ZEALAND. Who you say was sent from god as a white man so he could "infiltrate". Anyone still taking them seriously?

I'm curious, who said the Nation of Islam's founder was a "white man from new zealand"? Who said that and when? Can you actually verify that information? How can anyone take your 'arguments' seriously when it's the typical on-line rhetoric?

I havent even mentioned Yacub yet.

And you shouldn't, because you don't KNOW to speak on that subject. It's like you going to Nasa and trying to tell them about rocket science...you're not qualified to speak on that because you don't have the Knowledge of that subject, you only have hear-say. You're not properly orientated with that science.

And dont tell me thats a lie, because its not, FBI records have him born in new zealand, so the fact you say otherwise because one crazy ass old man Elijah Muhammad said so, IS NOT A VALID SOURCE. FBI website IS.

The FBI says alot of thngs.....some true some false. I'm wondering how do you know what they say is right? And do you except everything they reveal?

Intersting how you'll accept what the FBI says about the Nation of Islam yet can't see how the FBI is determined to destroy the Original Man. :?

Maybe it's racism???


The 85% know that it rains hail snow and also hear thunder above their head, but do NOT try to learn who is causing all of this to happen by letting the 5% teach them. They believe in the 10% on face value.

Black Man
07-01-2009, 11:47 AM
But how do any of you expect anyone to take NOI seriously when the bottom unarguable line with the NOI is that they believe the black man is genetically superior to every other human. You cant gloss over that. Thats called racism, and isnt based in any sort of scientific fact. No differnt from Hitler.

Farrakhan said ""White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet." (Philadelphia Inquirer, 3/18/00)

Now this is all well and good hate words, but then you STILL expect us to take you seriously, WHEN YOUR FOUNDER WAS A WHITE MAN FROM NEW ZEALAND. Who you say was sent from god as a white man so he could "infiltrate". Anyone still taking them seriously?

I havent even mentioned Yacub yet.

And dont tell me thats a lie, because its not, FBI records have him born in new zealand, so the fact you say otherwise because one crazy ass old man Elijah Muhammad said so, IS NOT A VALID SOURCE. FBI website IS.

All of this reminds me of the thread talking about Listening to respond or listening to understand.....

And if you ask the right questions, you can see how a person is dealing with the above subject matter, from Fard to Yacub.

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-01-2009, 11:48 AM
Why would I believe Elijah Muhammed over the FBI?
Why do you?

The only reason people show distain towards NOI is because of the amount of hatred they spew out, you get what you give.

You think you can just float arond tellling people they are sub human and no one is going to call you out on things?

I find it funny you keep bringing up racism, why are you so concerned with racism if you so convinced you are a superior being?

Your whole thought processes are demonised and stunted.

You shade your ignorance on basic things by constantly calling other in lacking of knowledge.

Tell me about Wallace Fard. The man who started this whole thing. Tell me about him.

Heres what wikipedia tells me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard

Prove them wrong.

heres what FBI.gov tell me
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/fard.htm

Prove them wrong.

Until you do, be quiet.

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-01-2009, 12:02 PM
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9370/oursaviourhasarrived.jpg







No real prophet proclaims himself to be a prophet

Black Man
07-01-2009, 12:29 PM
Why would I believe Elijah Muhammed over the FBI?
Why do you?

Why do you talk about what you don't know?

Knowledge is the foundation. I don't believe. Why beleive anything when you can know? And if it's something that you can't know, why choose to be a believer?

Knowledge is the foundation, and I don't believe Elijah Muhammad or the FBI. Knowledge is to look, listen, respect, and observe. Knowledge is the facts homie. You choose to believe an organization....a criminal organization at that when they're known to lie and make things up for the sake of their over all agenda. Part of that agenda is the destruction of the Black Man, but I don't see you posting any links about that :?

The only reason people show distain towards NOI is because of the amount of hatred they spew out, you get what you give.

You think you can just float arond tellling people they are sub human and no one is going to call you out on things?

I find it funny you keep bringing up racism, why are you so concerned with racism if you so convinced you are a superior being?

Your whole thought processes are demonised and stunted.

You shade your ignorance on basic things by constantly calling other in lacking of knowledge.

Tell me about Wallace Fard. The man who started this whole thing. Tell me about him.

Wikipedia....c'mon homie, you know anyone can create an article on wikipedia.

Heres what wikipedia tells me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard

Prove them wrong.

You're asking to them wrong, but you can't prove they're right!!! And worst part about it, even though you can't prove them right, you take sides with them whether right or wrong....the thing is you don't know.

heres what FBI.gov tell me
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/fard.htm

Prove them wrong.

Until you do, be quiet.


The 85% believe in the 10% on face value.

Can you prove them right?

Until then, be quiet.

RALPH WIGGUM
07-01-2009, 12:30 PM
I don't know who farrakham is


but if you cannot show me where Farrakhan said this, i will have to lock this thread - you won't succeed in trying to slide spam into the thread after i warned you over and over again - again - go find out for yourself or be quiet

I'm not sure this is truly a reliable source, I just stumbled on it but it's supposed to be an article by the Minister.
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1324.shtml
Paragraph 15.

Mr. Muhammad
07-01-2009, 03:20 PM
so do you guys eat white people or what?

Actually...I'm a vegetarian....lol

RM

LORD NOSE
07-01-2009, 03:38 PM
But how do any of you expect anyone to take NOI seriously ....


why should i take a kid named ghostlaced who believes that bizzy bone is one of the G.O.A.T, who relies on the fbi files and wikipedia for his facts seriously, over people who are known to clean up the worst criminals,drug addicts, prostitutes and make them productive respectable outspoken human beings, and in turn raise them to the level where they can go out and do the same for others ?


a group of reformed people who gives examples to the nonknowing how to be a father to their children and a husband to their wife -


who have you effected positively ?
where are your works ?

should i leave Elijah Muhammad alone and learn from you, or the fbi, or wikipedia ?

can you, the fbi, and wikipedia accomplish what he has ?


when the bottom unarguable line with the NOI is that they believe the black man is genetically superior to every other human. You cant gloss over that. Thats called racism, and isnt based in any sort of scientific fact. No differnt from Hitler.


genetically superior - think about that -

everybody comes out of the Black Man - but everybody cannot produce a Black Man - there are more examples i can give but ponder on that for a few

Farrakhan said ""White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet." (Philadelphia Inquirer, 3/18/00)

then let the philadelphia inquirer be your leader, teacher, and guide
follow what wiki,the fbi, and bizzy bone tells you - every one has a place in this world -


Now this is all well and good hate words, but then you STILL expect us to take you seriously,


no - i don't expect you to take us seriously - you don't even know what you are supposed to be taking seriously -


WHEN YOUR FOUNDER WAS A WHITE MAN FROM NEW ZEALAND.

oh really ?

so a white man from new zealand came to black bottom detroit, change black peoples names from leroy johnson to Kareem Ali Muhammad,

took the raggedy clothes off of them

and dressed them in the finest suits and long silks to cover the womens bodies,

restored pride and purpose in them and caused them to stand up against the very people who were oppressing them - and taught them that the people who were oppressing them are indeed the devil -



now why did he call them the devil ?

no one else was chasing innocent men women and children around with pitch forks and setting them on fire - there was no red faced man under ground with horns and goats feet to meet when we died - we had someone to fit that description right above ground -


Who you say was sent from god as a white man so he could "infiltrate". Anyone still taking them seriously?


if you were to know the magnitude of what was accomplished with the coming of Master Fard Muhammad - you'd say that there is no way that God wasn't involved in this



I havent even mentioned Yacub yet.



don't


And dont tell me thats a lie, because its not,

ok - i won't

FBI records have him born in new zealand, so the fact you say otherwise because one crazy ass old man Elijah Muhammad said so, IS NOT A VALID SOURCE. FBI website IS.



who will win the war of Armageddon


you chose who you are rolling with
i'm staying where the results are
results - what has been proven to work


if wiki,bizzy bone,tsa, and thefbi, works for you and brings to you the desired results, by all means, roll with them - no worries man

LORD NOSE
07-01-2009, 03:57 PM
i'm usually not so long winded yall - but it all had to be said - i hope this clears some things up for all of us -

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
07-01-2009, 04:30 PM
Is the NOI a cult?

They go to impoverished or disadvantaged areas (ghettos, prisons, etc), to try and recruit desperate people into their program and indoctrinate them to their beliefs.

It is undeniable that their rhetoric is racist. It is the very definition of racism, and is not documented by ANY reputable SCIENCE or FACTS.

You are not allowed to question the "gospel" and must accept it as FACT, despite ZERO evidence.

The leaders of the NOI have all been men of questionable character and motives.

The thing is, they do help people and assist the black community. But do the ends justify the means?

Hitler uplifted the average German...

LORD NOSE
07-01-2009, 04:36 PM
Is the NOI a cult?


you tell us

They go to impoverished or disadvantaged areas (ghettos, prisons, etc), to try and recruit desperate people into their program and indoctrinate them to their beliefs.

have you seen us do this ?
are college campuses excluded ?

It is undeniable that their rhetoric is racist. It is the very definition of racism, and is not documented by ANY reputable SCIENCE or FACTS.

i can understand why you would be upset

You are not allowed to question the "gospel" and must accept it as FACT, despite ZERO evidence.


questioning everything is what we do

The leaders of the NOI have all been men of questionable character and motives.

so was jesus

The thing is, they do help people and assist the black community. But do the ends justify the means?

find out from those whose lives were effected to answer your question


Hitler uplifted the average German...

God uplifts the downtrodden and restores life to them
the devil uses who he can and disposes of them when they are of no use

LORD NOSE
07-01-2009, 04:44 PM
Peace.

The Nation of Islam being a "Nation" and NOT a religion or a "religious movement" Elijah didn't make it easy for people to see that.


Message to the Black Man...Elijah Muhammad

What is Islam?

"While teaching and representing a religion called "Islam" to you..."

"Islam" means entire submission to the Will of Allah (God).


The "source" says he's teaching AND representing a RELIGION called "Islam" and this is from the source.

I'm just saying, he didn't make it easy to see what you're saying.

Peace.

nice - can you tell me what page of TMTTBMIA this is on

Black Man
07-01-2009, 04:49 PM
Chapter....What is Islam?

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
07-01-2009, 04:52 PM
you tell us

But I don't know. Is Christianity or Judaism or Catholicism a cult?

have you seen us do this ?

I have never been to prison. I DID however spend some time in the Ghetto and through a couple of friends of mine and I met a slightly older NOI dude who was always trying to "save them" and tell them they weren't righteous. While he was not overtly rude to me, I got the impression that my "white" appearance bothered him

are college campuses excluded ?

College campuses are also fertile recruiting grounds for cults. You have a large gathering of impressionable young people who are often on their own and without guidance for the first time in their lives.

i can understand why you would be upset

I would be upset if the KKK or Neo-Nazis were on here preaching its message as gospel. I feel that any rational-minded, unbigoted human would be at least a little offended by NOI ideology.


questioning everything is what we do

Yes, but the answers are predetermined



so was jesus

I do not believe in or live my life by the "gospel" of Jesus, or any other religious doctrine, for that matter. I do not hate religion, but it is not for me.
But as you said, the NOI is a NATION, not a religion.



find out from those whose lives were effected to answer your question




God uplifts the downtrodden and restores life to them
the devil uses who he can and disposes of them when they are of no use
.

LORD NOSE
07-01-2009, 04:54 PM
Chapter....What is Islam?

thanks

LORD NOSE
07-01-2009, 05:02 PM
But I don't know. Is Christianity or Judaism or Catholicism a cult?


you tell us !



I have never been to prison. I DID however spend some time in the Ghetto and through a couple of friends of mine and I met a slightly older NOI dude who was always trying to "save them" and tell them they weren't righteous. While he was not overtly rude to me, I got the impression that my "white" appearance bothered him


how much time did you spend in the " Ghetto" ?


he was always doing that ? - him and HIM alone right ? -

how much time did you spend in the " Ghetto" ?




you got the impression.......thats what you felt was happening...meaning that you were not sure


you have a white appearance ?




College campuses are also fertile recruiting grounds for cults. You have a large gathering of impressionable young people who are often on their own and without guidance for the first time in their lives.


what about impressionable old people with money, good homes, and friendships in all walks of life ?

do they join what you call "cult" ?




I feel that any rational-minded, unbigoted human would be at least a little offended by NOI ideology.


now what does that have to do with you though ?







Yes, but the answers are predetermined



questioning everything is what we do





I do not believe in or live my life by the "gospel" of Jesus, or any other religious doctrine, for that matter. I do not hate religion, but it is not for me.
But as you said, the NOI is a NATION, not a religion.



so was jesus

RALPH WIGGUM
07-01-2009, 05:51 PM
Why do people love to talk about what they do not know? The FBI is not a reliable source concerning the NOI, thats for sure.
If you want to know about the NOI, join it, don't try to guess what it is.
I don't say believe eveything sunny says, he knows since hes in the Nation, I say look at every sides of the coin and judge by yourself.
Black Nationalism is not white nationalism, its the answer to white nationalism.

food for thought
07-01-2009, 08:46 PM
the fbi is not reliable for any info that concerns movements that aim to empower the black communtiy.

theyre aim is to destroy these movements.

this is common sense.


do you people not know this?

have you forgot about COINTELPRO?

have u forgot about our leaders who were assassinated and their movements destroyed?

the information is in abundance.

maestro wooz
07-02-2009, 02:48 AM
ive read about 3000 sunny winters posts about what the nation of islam and all is about and i think ive got a decent handle on what they are. Ive realized that even if the worst is true and they secretly hate white people it really doesnt matter. Not counting youtube and rap concerts, in my life ive seen less than 15 people being outspoken and potentially obnoxious about their nation of islam/nation of gods and earths/whatever beliefs. Not counting bullshit people typed on their laptop while they were chilling at starbucks sipping a mocachino, it has never been an issue in my life. They have their worlds and i have mine and its getting hard for me to still be scared and angry at their shenanigans.

Mumm Ra
07-02-2009, 07:30 AM
^ yeah, actually not a single time in my life have I ever been approached by an individual who made it a point to introduce themselves as an NOI member, or try to push it on me
- I've had jehova's witnesses knock on my door
- and there is routinely a group of bible thumpers who stand at the corner of the busiest intersection in my town
I've yet to find a reason why I might have a problem with the NOI

Mr. Muhammad
07-02-2009, 03:42 PM
Is the NOI a cult?

They go to impoverished or disadvantaged areas (ghettos, prisons, etc), to try and recruit desperate people into their program and indoctrinate them to their beliefs.

TRANSLATION: "They have the courage to go to the hood -- where I'm to afraid to go -- and talk to the people there and share a Life giving Teaching that changes and saves lives."

It is undeniable that their rhetoric is racist. It is the very definition of racism, and is not documented by ANY reputable SCIENCE or FACTS.

Please give FACTS and EXAMPLES to support your claim. Making empty accusations makes you no better than the people you are condemning.

You are not allowed to question the "gospel" and must accept it as FACT, despite ZERO evidence.

I am a member of the Nation of Islam since 1989...and NO ONE has EVER told me that I have to just "accept" this teaching "without question". In FACT, just the OPPOSITE has ALWAYS been the case: I/We are encouraged...even CHALLENGED to go and RESEARCH to see if we can prove ..."PROVE"...any of it to be false. Not only are we "allowed" to question...we are ENCOURAGED to question.

It seems that YOU are the one who will not allow anyone to question YOUR beliefs...without throwing a royal dogmatic fit...

The leaders of the NOI have all been men of questionable character and motives.

How many of these "leaders" of the NOI have YOU personally spoken with, questioned, etc. about their "character" and "motives"?

The thing is, they do help people and assist the black community. But do the ends justify the means?

Hitler uplifted the average German...

You shall know a tree by the fruit it bears.

Where is YOUR fruit? Who have YOU uplifted?

The days ahead are going to be painful for those who get caught up in the practice of rumor-mongering, and fail to develop the skill of critical thinking.

"Surely, the shock of the Hour is a grievous thing..."

RM

food for thought
07-02-2009, 03:49 PM
TRANSLATION: "They have the courage to go to the hood -- where I'm to afraid to go -- and talk to the people there and share a Life giving Teaching that changes and saves lives."

*applauds*

LORD NOSE
07-02-2009, 04:04 PM
lol