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Ninja
07-04-2009, 09:33 PM
Throughout history man has always had a deep attraction for the supernatural and the unseen. The existence of a world parallel to our own has always fascinated people. This world is commonly referred to as the spirit world, and almost every set of people have some concept of one. With some people, these spirits are no more then the souls of dead people- or ghosts. With others, spirits are either the forces of good or the forces of evil - both battling against one another to gain influence over humanity. However, both of these explanations are more in tune with folk tales and fantasy. The true explanation of such a world comes from Islam. Like every other way, Islam also claims to explain this realm of the unseen. It is from this realm that Islam explains to us about the world of the Jinn. The Islamic explanation of the Jinn provides us with so many answers to modem day mysteries. Without the knowledge of this world, the Muslims would become like the non-Muslims and be running around looking for any old answer to come their way. So, who or what are the Jinn?

Existence

The Jinn are beings created with free will, living on earth in a world parallel to mankind. The Arabic word Jinn is from the verb 'Janna' which means to hide or conceal. Thus, they are physically invisible from man as their description suggests. This invisibility is one of the reasons why some people have denied their existence. However, (as will be seen) the affect which the world of the Jinn has upon our world, is enough to refute this modern denial of one of Allah's creation. The origins of the Jinn can be traced from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Allah says:

"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire"
(Surah Al-Hijr 15:26-27)

Thus the Jinn were created before man. As for their physical origin, then the Prophet (saws) has confirmed the above verse when he said: "The Angels were created from light and the Jinn from smokeless fire" [1]. It is this description of the Jinn which tells us so much about them. Because they were created from fire, their nature has generally been fiery and thus their relationship with man has been built upon this. Like humans, they too are required to worship Allah and follow Islam. Their purpose in life is exactly the same as ours, as Allah says:

"I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me"
(Surah Ad-Dhariyat 51:56)

Jinns can thus be Muslims or non-Muslims. However, due to their fiery nature the majority of them are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Jinns form a part of the army of the most famous Jinn, Iblis- the Shaytan[2]. Consequently, these disbelieving Jinns are also called Shaytans (devils). As for the Jinns who become Muslims, then the first of them did so in the time of the Prophet (saws) when a group of them were amazed by the recitation of the Qur'an. Allah orders the Prophet to tell the people of this event:

"Say (O' Muhammed): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; 'Indeed we have heard a marvellous Qur'an. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our lord'"
(Surah Al-Jinn 72:1-2)

In many aspects of their world, the Jinn are very similar to us. They eat and drink, they marry, have children and they die. The life span however, is far greater then ours. Like us, they will also be subject to a Final Reckoning by Allah the Most High. They will be present with mankind on the Day of Judgement and will either go to Paradise or Hell.

Abilities

That which clearly distinguishes the Jinn from mankind, are their powers and abilities. Allah has given them these powers as a test for them. If they oppress others with them, then they will be held accountable. By knowing of their powers, we can often make sense of much of the mysteries which go on around us. One of the powers of the Jinn, is that they are able to take on any physical form they like. Thus, they can appear as humans, animals trees and anything else. Over the last few years the interest in the subject of aliens and UFO's has become heightened. Programmes such as the X-files and the Outer limits have increased the popularity of the theory that aliens exist. Thousands of people have sighted strange looking creatures all over the world. These sightings however, have still not proven substantially that aliens exist. Rather - and it seems more plausible all the sightings of such creatures were just Jinns parading in different forms. So the next time you see something that looks like E.T, its most probably just a wicked Jinn trying to scare and confuse you!

The ability to possess and take over the minds and bodies of other creatures is also a power which the Jinn have utilised greatly over the centuries. This however, is something which has been prohibited to them as it is a great oppression to possess another being. Human possession is something which has always brought about great attention. But the true knowledge of this subject is rare amongst the people. Over the last 3 decades the subject of possession has become very commercialised. During the 70's films such as The Exorcist and Rosemary's Baby were used to educate people about possession. However, because such institutions (the film industry) were heavily influenced by Christianity, knowledge of the subject was non-existent. Rather then educate people about Jinn possession, films such as The Exorcist just tended to scare the living daylights out of us![3] Only through Islam can we understand such a phenomena. We know as Muslims, that Jinns possess people for many reasons. Sometimes it is because the Jinn or its family has been hurt accidentally. It could be because the Jinn has fallen in love with the person. However, most of the time possession occurs because the Jinn is simply malicious and wicked. For this reason we have been told by the Prophet (saws) not to loiter in those places where the Jinns reside, e.g. graveyards, ruins, deserts, market places etc. We have also been commanded to recite the Qur'an frequently in our houses as the Prophet (saws) said: "Indeed, the shaytan flees from the house in which Surah Al-Baqarah (the 2nd chapter of the Qur'an) is recited" [4].

If a person does become possessed, then the name of Allah has to be used in expelling the Jinn. If we look at the practice of the Prophet and his companions, we find many duas (supplications) to exorcise the Jinn. All these duas invoke Allah to help the possessed person. How contrary this is to many modern-day exorcists. Many exorcists, Muslim and non-Muslim, often invoke the names of others besides Allah to exorcise the Jinn[5]. When the Jinn does leave, these people believe that their way was successful. However, this is a ploy of the Jinn, as it knows that if it obeys the exorcist, then it has succeeded in making him worship others besides Allah i.e. commit shirk. The Jinn often returns when the exorcist leaves, as it knows that nothing except the words of Allah can stop it from oppressing others.

It is not only humans which are possessed, but also animals, trees and other objects. By doing this, the evil Jinn hope to make people worship others besides Allah. The possession of idols is one way to do this. Not so long ago the world-wide phenomenon of Hindu idols drinking milk, shocked the world. From Bombay to London, Delhi to California, countless idols were lapping up milk. Ganesh[6] the elephant god, Hanuman the monkey god and even Shiva lingam, the male private organ(!), all seemed to guzzle down the milk as if there was no tomorrow! Unfortunately people were taken in by this (including Muslims) and many flocked to feed (?) the Hindu gods. Anyone who knows about Jinn possession, will undoubtedly know that this is a classic attempt to make people commit shirk. And it worked, as many people started to worship these lifeless pieces of wood and marble. Anyone with half a brain would say to themselves, 'why on earth does a god need to be fed?!! Surely if Ganesh, Hanuman or Shiva were divine then they wouldn't need feeding?' However, such common sense seemed to be lacking as the Jinns played havoc with these gullible people.

The Occult

Through their powers of flying and invisibility, the Jinn are the chief component in occult activities. Voodoo, Black magic, Poltergeists, Witchcraft and Mediums can all be explained through the world of the Jinn. Likewise, so can the illusions and feats of magicians. Because the Jinn can traverse huge distances over a matter of seconds, their value to magicians is great. In return for helping them in their magic, the Jinns often ask for the magicians to sell their souls to them and even to Iblis. Thus the magicians take the Jinn and Iblis as lords besides Allah. In our day, some of the feats performed by magicians and entertainers are without doubt from the assistance of the Jinn. Making the Statue of Liberty disappear, flying across the Grand Canyon and retrieving a ship from the Bermuda Triangle[7], have all been done by the Jewish magician David Copperfield. There is NO way that a man could do such things without the assistance of the Jinn. It would not be surprising therefore, if David Copperfield had sold his soul to Iblis himself. Because of their involvement with the Jinn, and its result in shirk, the Prophet (saws) said: "The prescribed punishment for the magician is that he be executed by the sword" [8]. Some may argue that this is barbaric, but if, the likes of David Copperfield truly had powers, then they could just put their heads back on again!!

One of the most frequent activities associated with the Jinn, is fortune telling. Before the advent of the Prophet (saws) fortune-tellers and soothsayers were wide spread. These people would use their associates from the Jinn to find out about the future. The Jinns would go to the lowest heaven and listen to the Angels conversing amongst themselves about events of the Future which they heard from Allah. The Jinns would then inform the fortune-tellers. This is why before the time of the Prophet (saws) many fortune-tellers were very accurate in their predictions. However, upon the Prophet's arrival the heavens were guarded intensely by the Angels, and any Jinn who tried to listen was attacked by meteors (shooting stars):

"And We have guarded it (the heavens) from every accursed devil, except one who is able to snatch a hearing and he is pursued by a brightly burning flame"
(Surah Al-Hijr 15:18)

The Prophet (saws) also said: "They (the Jinn) would pass the information back down until it reaches the lips of a magician or forrtune-teller Sometimes a meteor would overtake them before they could pass it on. If they passed it on before being struck, they would add to it a hundred lies" [9]. Thus, it is clear from this as to how fortune-tellers get predictions of the future right. It is also evident as to why they get so many wrong. Men like Nostradamus[ 10] are an example, as some of his predictions of the future were correct whilst many were completely wrong. Unfortunately, the amount of fortune telling which occurs amongst the Muslims is also increasing. By visiting Muslim lands such as Morocco, one is able to see as to how much inter Jinn-fortune- teller activity there really is. If you look up at the sky on a clear night in Morocco, you will see the heavens ablaze with shooting stars! A clear display of the devils being chased away from the heavens.

Fortune-tellers also operate through the Qareen. The Qareen is the Jinn companion which is assigned to every human being. It is this Jinn which whispers to our base desires and constantly tries to divert us from righteousness. The Prophet (saws) said: "Everyone of you has been assigned a companion from the Jinn. The companions asked: Even you O' Messenger of Allah? And the Prophet replied: Even me, except that Allah has helped me against him and he has submitted. Now he only tells me to do good" [11]. Because the Qareen is with a person all his life, it knows all that has happened to the person from the cradle to the grave. By making contact with the Qareen, the fortune-teller is thus able to make out that it is he who knows about the person. He looks in his crystal ball or the palm of a person and proceeds to amaze him with knowledge which no one else knows[12]. The severity of going to a fortune-teller is such that the Prophet (saws) said: "The prayer of one who approaches a fortune-teller and asks him about anything, will not be accepted for forty days or nights" [13] and: "Whosoever approaches a fortune-teller and believes in what he says, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammed" [14]

The effects of the Jinn are not just limited to fortune-tellers. Other activities such as oujia boards and seances, which are used to contact the dead, are manipulated by the Jinn. 'Are you there Charlie? Speak to us Charlie!!' are the sort of words spoken by anxious relatives (names are obviously different!) seeking to make contact with their loved ones. And it is when the Jinn starts to talk and communicate as 'Charlie', that the people are truly fooled[15].

One of the biggest manipulations of the Jinn is through visions. Through these visions the Jinns are more likely to lead people away from the worship of Allah then any other way. When a person sees a vision in front of his eyes it is something which is very hard to explain away. Only by having knowledge of the world of the Jinn and conviction in Allah, can a person fight such a trial. The countless numbers of visions of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary over the centuries has been a popular choice for the devils. It almost seems as if leading Christians astray is the most easiest trick for the Jinns! Not only are Christians fooled by these visions, but often the Jinns possess and begin to talk from their voices. To the Christians this is known as the tongues of the Angels and thus a proof for their faith. However, the amount of unintelligible nonsense and rubbish which is heard is a clear proof that this is in fact the tongues of the devils! For other people, visions of their parents or relatives are commonplace. By taking on the form of peoples parents, the Jinns can convince people that the souls of dead people still mix with the people of the earth. This is why so many people believe in ghosts.

The onslaught of satanic visions has also hit the Muslims. Many Muslims claim to have seen visions of the Prophet Muhammed (saws) and even Allah! By doing this, Shaytan is able to lead astray the weak Muslims. Through such visions, Muslims are often told that the commands of Islam are not applicable to them. The Jinns tell them that Prayer, Fasting, Hajj etc. are not obligatory for them. It is a great deception and unfortunately one which has been very effective. The extent of satanic visions still continues to this day. The recent death of Diana Princess of Wales sparked off great love and adoration for this woman. In fact the grief of the British people was such, that it was as if Diana was something divine. No sooner had the mourning of Diana reached its peak, that visions of her were already being seen at Hampton Court Palace! If these visions did occur, the desire of Iblis and his army of Jinn to capitalise on this event, was evident. Such visions are clear attempts by Iblis to lead mankind away from the path of Allah [16].

The world of the Jinn is one which is both sinister and intriguing. By knowing of this world we can explain many of the mysteries and issues which bother us. By doing this we can avoid the extremes which the people have gone to; nothing being more extreme then worshipping others besides Allah. By learning the Tawheed of Allah, we defend ourselves from these hidden allies of Iblis:

"Indeed he (Iblis) and his tribe watch you from a position where you cannot see them"
(Surah Al-A'raf 7:27)

Maybe there is a Jinn sitting in the corner of your room right now, or even one behind you. If so, then how will you deal with this creation of Allah? Learn Islam properly and you will be able to deal with all of Allah's creation - and not just the Jinn. By becoming true Muslims and followers of Islam, the fear of Iblis, Jinns and anything else will leave us - nothing will touch the Believer unless Allah wills.

zooruka
07-04-2009, 10:55 PM
firstly i wouldnt believe anything the koran has to say because it comes from the devil.


the bible says demons come from when fallen angles took human women and had sex with them creating giant offspring...but when GOD flooded the world because of its wickedness the spirits of the giants lived on roaming the earth and inhabating people.


its intresting to note before JESUS nobody even mentioned demons...and when demons where confronted by JESUS they cried out to him what do you want with us son of GOD and not to punish them before the appointed time....and whatever JESUS commanded them to do they did.


peace be with you !

Ninja
07-05-2009, 07:05 AM
firstly i wouldnt believe anything the koran has to say because it comes from the devil.


the bible says demons come from when fallen angles took human women and had sex with them creating giant offspring...but when GOD flooded the world because of its wickedness the spirits of the giants lived on roaming the earth and inhabating people.



You will not believe in the Qu'ran but you will believe crap like fallen angels (jinns) taking women and sexing them and inpregnating them??

ok bro!

peace

LORD NOSE
07-05-2009, 11:48 AM
there is truth to what is being said here - understanding this truth is where the work is

IBRAHIM
07-05-2009, 12:33 PM
peace Ninja
is it from some book or just an article? who wrote that?

Ninja
07-05-2009, 10:09 PM
peace Ninja
is it from some book or just an article? who wrote that?

I'm not sure man... its something i came across on the net! I just thought it gave a really good understanding of Jinns!

Peace!

Urban_Journalz
07-07-2009, 05:31 PM
Peace Ninja,

This thread is dope because the Jinni are a very misunderstood and often demonized race of beings. I even hear many Muslims demonizing the entire race of beings, forgetting that, like mankind, some are good and follow Allah's Will and some are evil, and choose to follow Shaitan.

I have to say though, even though proof has a lot to learn and it would probably really chap his hide to find out that Jesus (pbuh) was Muslim, you should check out The Book of Enoch, because it does touch on, "The Sons of Heaven" having co-habitated with female humans and having taught them many of the secrets of the heavens. At first I didn't believe it, because we've only heard about humans having Free Will. What if angels do to though? Iblis (Shaitan) was a Jinn, this we know, but he was among the angels when Allah told them to bow down to Adam (pbuh). Meaning at some point, Iblis must have been very righteous and ascended to a high station before he decided to disobey and become The Chief Deceiver.

Point being, I've heard that angels don't have Free Will, but is this really certain?

WARPATH
07-07-2009, 11:57 PM
Thus the magicians take the Jinn and Iblis as lords besides Allah. In our day, some of the feats performed by magicians and entertainers are without doubt from the assistance of the Jinn. Making the Statue of Liberty disappear, flying across the Grand Canyon and retrieving a ship from the Bermuda Triangle[7], have all been done by the Jewish magician David Copperfield. There is NO way that a man could do such things without the assistance of the Jinn. It would not be surprising therefore, if David Copperfield had sold his soul to Iblis himself. Because of their involvement with the Jinn, and its result in shirk, the Prophet (saws) said: "The prescribed punishment for the magician is that he be executed by the sword" [8]. Some may argue that this is barbaric, but if, the likes of David Copperfield truly had powers, then they could just put their heads back on again!!

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/10/David-Copperfield-statue-of-liberty-REVEALED-587881.html

Jinn's Exposed!!!!!!!

zooruka
07-08-2009, 12:03 AM
according to the bible all demons (spirits) are bad and will be punished one day in the lake of fire with the devil and his angles.


peace be with you !

Visionz
07-08-2009, 12:10 AM
according to the bible all demons (spirits) are bad and will be punished one day in the lake of fire with the devil and his angles.


peace be with you !
so all spirits are demons?

WARPATH
07-08-2009, 12:13 AM
so all spirits are demons?

Depends who you ask......

Did everyone just ignore my last post? I think it puts the original article into context.

zooruka
07-08-2009, 12:14 AM
so all spirits are demons?



yes !!!!


that is why JESUS was casting them out of people and they begged him not to punish them before there time and or send them into the abyss...they are all bad there is no good spirits they are all demons....at least thats what the bible teaches and shows from the life of JESUS and the apostles.


peace be with you !

Visionz
07-08-2009, 12:25 AM
yes !!!!


that is why JESUS was casting them out of people and they begged him not to punish them before there time and or send them into the abyss...they are all bad there is no good spirits they are all demons....at least thats what the bible teaches and shows from the life of JESUS and the apostles.


peace be with you !
and your triumvirate is God, Jesus, and the Holy SPIRIT

or Holy Demon as you have just said.

zooruka
07-08-2009, 12:46 AM
what ^^^^^^^^^^

Visionz
07-08-2009, 12:50 AM
what ^^^^^^^^^^
you wrote it. go back and read your own answers.

knewcheeze
07-08-2009, 02:12 AM
"firstly i wouldnt believe anything the koran has to say because it comes from the devil."

this from a person who says his God is a the same person who was PRAYING to the FAther while nailed to a crusifix???? You are a scripture diluter Prof Zoo...

"the bible says demons come from when fallen angles took human women and had sex with them creating giant offspring...but when GOD flooded the world because of its wickedness the spirits of the giants lived on roaming the earth and inhabating people."

cee...once again that is not what the Bible says....like eye told you the Dead Sea scrolls verse said SONS OF GOD and your whitewashed translation says SONS OF ISREAL....this "SONS OF GOD" is one of the things that was removed by you scripture diluters because you know it MURDERS your whole "Jesus is GOds only begotten son" theory

1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

thats what it says...not fallen angels....and no it wasn't a literal giant...it basically describes the blackman taking fairskinned women and having babies with em....thats it.....Noah was born south of the Caucases

"intresting to note before JESUS nobody even mentioned demons."

nobody?

"..and when demons where confronted by JESUS they cried out to him what do you want with us son of GOD and not to punish them before the appointed time....and whatever JESUS commanded them to do they did."

IBRAHIM
07-08-2009, 12:36 PM
"Noah was born south of the Caucases"

evidence?

zooruka
07-08-2009, 11:49 PM
"firstly i wouldnt believe anything the koran has to say because it comes from the devil."

this from a person who says his God is a the same person who was PRAYING to the FAther while nailed to a crusifix???? You are a scripture diluter Prof Zoo...

"the bible says demons come from when fallen angles took human women and had sex with them creating giant offspring...but when GOD flooded the world because of its wickedness the spirits of the giants lived on roaming the earth and inhabating people."

cee...once again that is not what the Bible says....like eye told you the Dead Sea scrolls verse said SONS OF GOD and your whitewashed translation says SONS OF ISREAL....this "SONS OF GOD" is one of the things that was removed by you scripture diluters because you know it MURDERS your whole "Jesus is GOds only begotten son" theory

1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

thats what it says...not fallen angels....and no it wasn't a literal giant...it basically describes the blackman taking fairskinned women and having babies with em....thats it.....Noah was born south of the Caucases

"intresting to note before JESUS nobody even mentioned demons."

nobody?

"..and when demons where confronted by JESUS they cried out to him what do you want with us son of GOD and not to punish them before the appointed time....and whatever JESUS commanded them to do they did."

sons of GOD means angles fallen angles to be correct.


peace be with you !

zooruka
07-08-2009, 11:55 PM
Question: "Who were the sons of God and daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4?"

Answer: Genesis 6:1-4 refers to the sons of God and the daughters of men. There have been several suggestions as to who the sons of God were and why the children they had with daughters of men grew into a race of giants (that is what the word Nephilim seems to indicate).

The three primary views on the identity of the sons of God are 1) they were fallen angels, 2) they were powerful human rulers, or 3) they were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. Giving weight to the first theory is the fact that in the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God” always refers to angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). A potential problem with this is in Matthew 22:30, which indicates that angels do not marry. The Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels have a gender or are able to reproduce. The other two views do not present this problem.

The weakness of views 2) and 3) is that ordinary human males marrying ordinary human females does not account for why the offspring were “giants” or “heroes of old, men of renown.” Further, why would God decide to bring the flood on the earth (Genesis 6:5-7) when God had never forbade powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain? The oncoming judgment of Genesis 6:5-7 is linked to what took place in Genesis 6:1-4. Only the obscene, perverse marriage of fallen angels with human females would seem to justify such a harsh judgment.

As previously noted, the weakness of the first view is that Matthew 22:30 declares, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.” However, the text does not say “angels are not able to marry.” Rather, it indicates only that angels do not marry. Second, Matthew 22:30 is referring to the “angels in heaven.” It is not referring to fallen angels, who do not care about God’s created order and actively seek ways to disrupt God’s plan. The fact that God’s holy angels do not marry or engage in sexual relations does not mean the same is true of Satan and his demons.

View 1) is the most likely position. Yes, it is an interesting “contradiction” to say that angels are sexless and then to say that the “sons of God” were fallen angels who procreated with human females. However, while angels are spiritual beings (Hebrews 1:14), they can appear in human, physical form (Mark 16:5). The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with the two angels who were with Lot (Genesis 19:1-5). It is plausible that angels are capable of taking on human form, even to the point of replicating human sexuality and possibly even reproduction. Why do the fallen angels not do this more often? It seems that God imprisoned the fallen angels who committed this evil sin, so that the other fallen angels would not do the same (as described in Jude 6). Earlier Hebrew interpreters and apocryphal and pseudopigraphal writings are unanimous in holding to the view that fallen angels are the “sons of God” mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4. This by no means closes the debate. However, the view that Genesis 6:1-4 involves fallen angels mating with human females has a strong contextual, grammatical, and historical basis.


peace be with you !

PALEFORCE
07-09-2009, 12:50 AM
the jinn are the reptiles

"man is born of the earth the jinn from a smokeless flame"

meaning the reptiles come from a star

"the jinn walk amongst men and look like men"

yea, the reptile hybrid theory
and the eloheim in the bible

LORD NOSE
07-09-2009, 01:25 AM
Rely on Jinn

why rely on jinn ?

the jinn is mans natural enemy

or realign the legion

Urban_Journalz
07-09-2009, 05:35 PM
sons of GOD means angles fallen angles to be correct.


peace be with you ! You should really consider studying before you speak. Sutdying something other than just your own book or something that is, "safe" according to your own book. First of all, I'm sure you meant to say ANGELS and not ANGLES. Second of all, Sons of God means just that, Sons of God. I've told you this before in fact. According to ancient Jewish traditions, there are 9 Orders of Angels. The 8th Order is called, "BENI ELOHIM", literally translated as, "SONS OF GOD". So what do you mean, "Sons of God means fallen angels"??? In fact, what chapter and verse, in ANY book, did you get this from?

Rely on Jinn

why rely on jinn ?

the jinn is mans natural enemy

or realign the legion

I wouldn't suggest, 'relying on Jinni', but they do know things that we don't in some aspects. This is only viable to those who would tread a more mystical/occult path of enlightenment though.

Shaitan is man's natural enemy and he is from among the Jinni. Don't judge the rest based on what he did though. Remember,

The Qur'an tells that nations of both Jinni and Men were sent Messengers. Surah 6:130 "O ye assembly of Jinns and Men, came there not unto you messengers from amongst you...."

Also, a company of Jinns were present when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was teaching his people.

Surah 46:29-32 "Behold, We turned towards thee (O Muhammad) a company of Jinns quietly listening to The Qur'an. When they stood in the presence thereof, they said, "Listen in silence!" When the reading was finished, they returned to their people, to warn them of their sins. They said, "O our people! We have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it. It guides men to the Truth and to a Straight Path. O our people, hearken to the one who invites you to Allah and believe in him. He will forgive your faults and deliver you from a Penalty Grievous. If any does not hearken to the one who invites us to Allah, he cannot frustrate Allah's Plan on earth and no protectors can he have besides Allah. Such men wander in manifest error."

Just like mankind, among Jinns, there are those of good will and those of evil will.

Peace

zooruka
07-09-2009, 07:53 PM
You should really consider studying before you speak. Sutdying something other than just your own book or something that is, "safe" according to your own book. First of all, I'm sure you meant to say ANGELS and not ANGLES. Second of all, Sons of God means just that, Sons of God. I've told you this before in fact. According to ancient Jewish traditions, there are 9 Orders of Angels. The 8th Order is called, "BENI ELOHIM", literally translated as, "SONS OF GOD". So what do you mean, "Sons of God means fallen angels"??? In fact, what chapter and verse, in ANY book, did you get this from?


"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?".


This passage is talking about angels in heaven...so clearly angels are called sons of GOD not just the 8th order of angels because it says all the sons of GOD.

also the sons of GOD in genisis must be fallen angels because Jesus made it clear that angels do not engage in sexual activities, at least not angels in heaven. Matthew 22:30 Orig KJV: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." so the sons of GOD (which we have established are angels) must be fallen angels because they do not obey GOD where JESUS said that angels in heaven do obey GOD and do not have sexual relations.


peace be with you !

Urban_Journalz
07-09-2009, 09:01 PM
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?".


This passage is talking about angels in heaven...so clearly angels are called sons of GOD not just the 8th order of angels because it says all the sons of GOD.

also the sons of GOD in genisis must be fallen angels because Jesus made it clear that angels do not engage in sexual activities, at least not angels in heaven. Matthew 22:30 Orig KJV: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." so the sons of GOD (which we have established are angels) must be fallen angels because they do not obey GOD where JESUS said that angels in heaven do obey GOD and do not have sexual relations.


peace be with you !

The passage is talking about the stars and the angels actually.

All of Creation is just that, God's Creation. In a sense, we are His, "Children", in that He provides for us in more ways than any of us can count. Be that as it may, when it comes to the Higher Creations/Servants, their titles are very specific.

Angel Gabriel, upon whom be peace, is The Messenger to Mankind. Created after Michael, God's Chief Warrior Angel. Both of whom hold lower ranks when compared to Metatron, who is said to be, "The Face of God". The closest we could come to beholding God's Face without being killed by it's sheer magnificence and purity. The Beni Elohim (Sons of God) are just that and unless said Angel is a part of that Order, they cannot be called such. You wouldn't call a Marine a Navy Seal simply because they serve the same Government would you? Don't forget that you're quoting a book that has been rewritten more times than anyone here has accurate count thereof. There are bound to be many contradictions and flat out fallicies in those pages. It may indeed be so that some of the Beni Elohim were among those who fell, you cannot say that it was the entire order of Angels though.

You know what you should do, seriously, read The Book of Enoch because it touches upon this very topic in full detail. Even giving you the names of these Angels, and what Gabriel, Micheal, Raphael and Uriel, peace be upon them, did to these Angels once God gave the order to have them apprehended.

Peace

zooruka
07-09-2009, 10:58 PM
The passage is talking about the stars and the angels actually.

All of Creation is just that, God's Creation. In a sense, we are His, "Children", in that He provides for us in more ways than any of us can count. Be that as it may, when it comes to the Higher Creations/Servants, their titles are very specific.

Angel Gabriel, upon whom be peace, is The Messenger to Mankind. Created after Michael, God's Chief Warrior Angel. Both of whom hold lower ranks when compared to Metatron, who is said to be, "The Face of God". The closest we could come to beholding God's Face without being killed by it's sheer magnificence and purity. The Beni Elohim (Sons of God) are just that and unless said Angel is a part of that Order, they cannot be called such. You wouldn't call a Marine a Navy Seal simply because they serve the same Government would you? Don't forget that you're quoting a book that has been rewritten more times than anyone here has accurate count thereof. There are bound to be many contradictions and flat out fallicies in those pages. It may indeed be so that some of the Beni Elohim were among those who fell, you cannot say that it was the entire order of Angels though.

You know what you should do, seriously, read The Book of Enoch because it touches upon this very topic in full detail. Even giving you the names of these Angels, and what Gabriel, Micheal, Raphael and Uriel, peace be upon them, did to these Angels once God gave the order to have them apprehended.

Peace

JESUS is the face of GOD !

Metatron is bulshit

and i dont except the book of enoch!


peace be with you !

LORD NOSE
07-09-2009, 11:04 PM
Muslims and Christians - Black And White - Building in Peace and Harmony trying to figure out life and share knowledge

its a beautiful thing

Visionz
07-09-2009, 11:41 PM
JESUS is the face of GOD !

Metatron is bulshit

and i dont except the book of enoch!


peace be with you !
you mean accept.

Correct phrasing of these words is shown in the following:

The Catholic church accepts most of the ten commandents but as they are very fond of imagery they make an exception for the law concerning graven images or any other image of things either on earth or in heaven.

See the difference in meaning there?

Urban_Journalz
07-10-2009, 08:00 AM
JESUS is the face of GOD !

Metatron is bulshit

and i dont except the book of enoch!


peace be with you !

Actually, Jesus (pbuh) was a Prophet and a Messenger. One of the many who are part of the bloodline of Abraham (pbuh).

It's not wise to insult an Angel, especially one such as Metatron who ranks higher than Michael and Gabriel, peace be upon them.

You don't accept The Book of Enoch because either you haven't read it, or you found something in there that unsettled you. Or, it may just be because it doesn't say, "Holy Bible" on the front of it. Whatever your reasoning, or lack thereof, it's obvious that you're not seeking true enlightenment, but rather trying to steer everyone to your way of thinking.

As my Aunt Diane used to say, "If ignorance is bliss, you are the most blissful person I know." And this is from me, "Bliss on."