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Rollo
07-15-2009, 11:06 PM
Do these two schools of thought have a place to meet?

If you're from the United State or the E.U. do you think if a religion and science back the same conclusion, that science should be suppressed to help suppress a religious agenda?

Or do you believe in non overlapping magesteria where these two institutions never meet or conflict?

zooruka
07-15-2009, 11:11 PM
with out GOD there would be no science...so religion wins.



peace be with you !

Rollo
07-15-2009, 11:14 PM
Damn you, wishing me peace whether I want it or not.

I see you took the diplomatic answer, you must intend on staying here awhile.

Rollo
07-15-2009, 11:15 PM
theology is stuff someone made up and science is observations of stuff ppl didn't make up.

they're gonna clash cause stuff that doesn't exist can't coexist with stuff that exists, and religion in general clashes with human nature and the world, expecially islam. Fake islam doesn't cause evidentally its like, you make up your own definition of islam, and that's why it appeals to the lazy and weak of will.


Observation is a curious phenomenon itself, I'd say philosophy is observation, science is more data. But I get what you're getting at.

Rollo
07-15-2009, 11:27 PM
yeah, you're right. science is obviously both but im sure you understand that.
i think religion is ok for religious ppl cause that have some unexplained need for it and if they need it then fuck it they need it.

if it isn't officially called religion then they'll obsess blinding about something else

gangs,
nationalism
army
internet forums
white people
wutang

whatever, so yeah, if its not a 'religion' it'll be something else.
what ppl dont understand is ppl have every fixed unbreakable needs for shit that if they don't get in a functional way they'll get in a unfunctional way but either way they're getting it. that's how alot of personality disorders start. that's just my theory. my sound theory (july 09)


Well, there's that, but we also must acknowledge when debating the reality of whether something exists on the order of God, gods or deities, just because people desire something, that is not necessarily a proof or disproof.


Philosophy is considered by many to be secondary science, since it was philosophers who first gave us naturalism.

My concern is when we have people in science who say something absolutely must be random or unintelligible.
In the short 200 years of formal natural science, we have already warped nature to our will.
It is entirely possible an entity physical or otherwise can do the same if our limited minds can do it.

Blind faith is dangerous though, religion itself isn't bad but when you lack reason with your faith you are completely lost.
That's when religion becomes organized religion, that's when I get dumb protestants bitching about my swearing when Jesus cursed desciples.

Jesus gets immortalized, I get made into a pariah :(

EAGLE EYE
07-16-2009, 12:22 AM
"wrapped" ?


Man you should be on Sound Theory

Rollo
07-16-2009, 12:25 AM
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i also don't think we have anything warped,




Well, we are on the verge of the first entirely synthetic microbes, we've moved species to different parts of the world creating new types of mutation and accelerating in the case of the adriatic lizards the rate of mutation in some species.



humans give themselves way too much credit. we think we're god like or exceptional for discoverring the flight birds have been doing for billions of years. we didn't invent flight we can't destroy it, its just there as solid universal rules and we're doing something with it, but we really haven't gone 'that far'.



I agree that we haven't come as far as we've given ourselves credit for and that science is pretty much just us stumbling onto things. However, I think the quantum demonstrates that nothing is universally law.


also yeah things are random and unintelligble.
There are non random things also, natural selection for instance is a non-random filter. We've made intelligible things. A team of British scientists this week actually created human sperm from scratch(hold laughter)

But the assumption there is no consciousness to the universe is just that, an assumption.
Basis for it is not full proof and there are counter arguments. We should avoid establishing naturalistic dogma and calling that science as well.

Objective is to be neutral when unsure and not to let agenda or passion get us into dogmatic pretension.
As you said, we've only come so far, the question of universal consciousness is one that I don't feel we can answer just yet.

knewcheeze
07-16-2009, 12:31 AM
with out GOD there would be no science...so religion wins.



peace be with you !

without God there would be no religion as well so......back to the old drawing board brother

knewcheeze
07-16-2009, 12:55 AM
theology is stuff someone made up and science is observations of stuff ppl didn't make up.

they're gonna clash cause stuff that doesn't exist can't coexist with stuff that exists, and religion in general clashes with human nature and the world, expecially islam. Fake islam doesn't cause evidentally its like, you make up your own definition of islam, and that's why it appeals to the lazy and weak of will.

well look who crawled out of the

depends on the theology and how you interpert the scripture

the Adam of 4000bc story for instance talks about how Adam was placed in the garden of Eden who's 4 rivers in Africa/Arabia....kicked out and a angel with a flaming sword patrolled the borders......ahhhhh tells so much and yet so scientifical

Islam is I Solar LUnar Architect Manifested meaning a human being with unbending intent striving 2 be Allah in the person...the God that Jesus prayed 2 in the person......

which is faaaaaaaaaar better to strive 4 instead of TSA's stance which encourages internet addiction...and getting continuously shitted on and comming back for more...a feekaholic

yes striving to be GOd would defineatly encourage the opposite of weakness and laziness

now as far as your little thing at the bottom...TSBA

the Assasination of Malcolm X was planned by the United States Intelligence Community, Military, and so on and so forth

drippie k
07-16-2009, 03:48 AM
religion is for the blind

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not saying don't believe in God or whatever, but following one particular sect is just dumb imo...they all preach the same thing, that they're more right than others

LORD NOSE
07-16-2009, 09:22 AM
the blind can't see the benefits of religion

so called religious leaders use the blind


some religious leaders help the blind to see


very few religious leaders feel the need to help people


majority of the people don't care about people

its not religions fault


a community is made from the words of prophets

iLL people come into the community and infect the community

if that religious leader doesn't create a military to defend the "patients"

the iLL will take over -

Black Man
07-16-2009, 01:26 PM
the blind can't see the benefits of religion

so called religious leaders use the blind


some religious leaders help the blind to see


very few religious leaders feel the need to help people


majority of the people don't care about people

its not religions fault


a community is made from the words of prophets

iLL people come into the community and infect the community

if that religious leader doesn't create a military to defend the "patients"

the iLL will take over -

What are the benefits of religion (15:40)?

What religious leaders (15:40) help the blind to see?

LORD NOSE
07-16-2009, 01:28 PM
What are the benefits of religion (15:40)?

What religious leaders (15:40) help the blind to see?




i don't know


you tell us

Black Man
07-16-2009, 01:42 PM
the blind can't see the benefits of religion

so called religious leaders use the blind


some religious leaders help the blind to see


very few religious leaders feel the need to help people


majority of the people don't care about people

its not religions fault


a community is made from the words of prophets

iLL people come into the community and infect the community

if that religious leader doesn't create a military to defend the "patients"

the iLL will take over -

What are the benefits of religion (15:40)?

What religious leaders (15:40) help the blind to see?

i don't know

you tell us

If you don't know the answers to the above questions, why did you make the statements as if you did know?

LORD NOSE
07-16-2009, 02:16 PM
If you don't know the answers to the above questions, why did you make the statements as if you did know?


I don't know -


You Tell Us !

drippie k
07-16-2009, 03:08 PM
^^sounds like typical religion "because i said so" stuff

DRUNKENDRAGON
07-16-2009, 04:12 PM
Was going to post but the thread deteriorated into retardation.