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Chris
07-25-2009, 04:12 PM
In this thread (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1633181), we were discussing Michael Jackson and the Nation Of Islam. When asked to expand on my point, I did just that to which Sunny Winters (who I'm assuming is the mod of the section) simply responded with

"limited understanding

expressed emotionally"

Not only was this a pathetic way of backing out of a legitimate debate, but he then locked the thread to stop further discussion.

In another thread about Michael Jackson (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80077), I made a simple post expressing my thoughts on the situation and it was deleted without an explanation. I made another post and it was also deleted and the thread then closed, preventing any further discussion.

I've noticed that this has happened before (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80259) in the same section.

So I guess my question is why is intelligent discussion being prohibited?

check two
07-25-2009, 04:14 PM
I think Falcon Wingz does.

Crackhead Bob
07-25-2009, 04:15 PM
Intelligence is the antithesis of Sunny Winters agenda. He follows that agenda to the letter like a good little slave.

Chris
07-25-2009, 04:15 PM
If it isn't him then I apologise to Sunny Winters, I assumed it would be him based on the argument.

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-25-2009, 04:23 PM
#1 rule of KTL: dont disagree with the opinion of Sunny Winters, any culprits will have threads locked, and posts deleted.

The whole notion of this being a "discussion forum", where people debate their various views, is totally lost on him. He purely sees it as his own place to promote his own views. Just him. 1 guy. Somehow he made it to mod.

He is the antithesis of "knowledge" and learning. He stunts the process of people learning through discussion and listening to other views.

He doesnt like the idea of people making their own minds up about things. And he is singlehandedly driving more people away from this site and the KTL than ever seen before.

Crackhead Bob
07-25-2009, 04:28 PM
He closed his OWN thread, because I tried to drop wisdom in it. His OWN thread.

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79228

Chris
07-25-2009, 04:37 PM
Glad to see it's not just me. He seems like one of those radical extremists the police will end up arresting one day after attempting to blow up a milk carton on a train.

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-25-2009, 04:38 PM
that thread brock posted was one of themost pathetic awful threads in the history of the cosmos.
And hes a mod.

Do you blame the people that put him there, or him?

Crackhead Bob
07-25-2009, 04:42 PM
Well he talks about the melting pot coming to a boil and gleams with joy at the prospect. Part of the blame definitely has to fall on Prolifical who claims no connection to NOI, which I believe, but when I asked him what he believes, he had no answer.

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-25-2009, 04:49 PM
but Prof is white, NOI generally despise white people, its basically their entire ethos, even if they recently try to sugar coat it. White people being devil and impure is what the entire religion is built upon from the genesis, you cant ignore that because its 2009.

Farrkhan doesnt realise these news stations and tv shows he appears on, they are only doing that (being nice to him, putting him on TV) to make black people look worse, so rational people can look at the TV and see these radical NOI fuckos talk this ridiculous shit, it makes black people in general look bad and stupid.

Crackhead Bob
07-25-2009, 04:52 PM
Power Corrupts

absolute power corrupts absolutely

Olive Oil Goombah
07-25-2009, 04:53 PM
power is an illusion.

Crackhead Bob
07-25-2009, 04:54 PM
Is it?

Chris
07-25-2009, 05:11 PM
Not really. Control is the true illusion.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-25-2009, 05:30 PM
is power not nothing more than control??? The ability to manipulate people and things at your discretion??

LORD NOSE
07-25-2009, 05:34 PM
Not only was this a pathetic way of backing out of a legitimate debate, but he then locked the thread to stop further discussion.

you think its a legitimate debate - its something that i'm not debating with you - you have a very limited understaning of the NOI - thats fact - you haven't read any of the messengers books - i'm assuming this, but what you spit out about the NOI allows me to assume this -

I'm not debating these things with you -


In another thread about Michael Jackson (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80077), I made a simple post expressing my thoughts on the situation and it was deleted without an explanation.

there is a webcast on sunday where The Minister will be speaking about Michael Jackson and his death - you came in there telling us that it'll probaly be him blaming white people -

so i deleted your silly post and locked the thread -


I made another post and it was also deleted and the thread then closed, preventing any further discussion.

I've noticed that this has happened before (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80259) in the same section.

So I guess my question is why is intelligent discussion being prohibited?


intelligent discussion goes on everyday all day - find something intelligent to say and get in where you fit in

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-25-2009, 05:44 PM
Yeah but, why cant people dislike NOI?
Is that not allowed?

does it threaten you or something? If someone wants to speak bad about NOI, why is that so bad? Why dont you just show up their ignorance if thats what they are?

LORD NOSE
07-25-2009, 06:05 PM
Yeah but, why cant people dislike NOI?
Is that not allowed?

does it threaten you or something? If someone wants to speak bad about NOI, why is that so bad? Why dont you just show up their ignorance if thats what they are?


have you not seen the countless threads bashing the NOI - the 2 to 3 pages discussions on the subject ?

we can build on what the NOI is and isn't - the problem lies with those of you who have not done their homework and wish to push their beliefs and feelings about the NOI -

i don't fell threatened - white people in general feel threatened - because the NOI questions their existence and their mark on this earth - speak bad about someone or something you know has done bad - The Noi is a Nation - its possible that a small number of people in that nation may have made some mistakes - just like white people have built a nation and have made some mistakes without a doubt - should i begin saying "bad things" about white people again ?

cause there is allot that i can say - and bring facts and proof behind what i say -

what yall bring to the table about the NOI is garbage - and as long as i'm here it won't be tolerated -

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-25-2009, 06:31 PM
No one needs to read up on shit.

You believe an alien from outerspace created the white man. thats all we need to know to laugh and ridicule. Its pure ignorance from a scientific point of view alone.

Because some WHITE guy (convicted felon, and fraudster) from 100 years ago said so. He was WHITE, but its ok, because he said he was put here by Yacub as a white man so he could "infiltrate" into the white men system. great job he did.

LOL.

Nobody is gonna bother reading up SHIT about that bullshit.

NOI is the most bashable topic on the whole forum, its FULL of possibiltes for ridicule. How are you gonna expect people not to?

Olive Oil Goombah
07-25-2009, 07:07 PM
The NOI is a racist movement....the sooner people realize this the sooner they can just brush it aside as just that.

If 'whites' feel threatened its probably from the aggressive rhetoric that is used by the NOI.

Its only natural.

Its only natural that a group like the NOI would for form from being threatened and feeling the need to fight back.

Its not so much black and white as it is human nature. These circumstances are paralleled worlwide and throughout history.

LORD NOSE
07-25-2009, 10:35 PM
No one needs to read up on shit.


then don't - believe what you wanna believe

You believe an alien from outerspace created the white man. thats all we need to know to laugh and ridicule. Its pure ignorance from a scientific point of view alone.


believe what you wanna believe - if you want to believe that thats what i believe, then believe it - don't read, don't build, don't ask questions - go with what you wanna believe


Because some WHITE guy (convicted felon, and fraudster) from 100 years ago said so. He was WHITE, but its ok, because he said he was put here by Yacub as a white man so he could "infiltrate" into the white men system. great job he did.

LOL.

Nobody is gonna bother reading up SHIT about that bullshit.


if you don't read or listen you'll go with what you want to believe - and thats ok - whatever you wanna make it to be in your mind is ok

NOI is the most bashable topic on the whole forum, its FULL of possibiltes for ridicule. How are you gonna expect people not to?

bash what you want - just stay in your place -

The NOI is a racist movement....the sooner people realize this the sooner they can just brush it aside as just that.

If 'whites' feel threatened its probably from the aggressive rhetoric that is used by the NOI.

Its only natural.

Its only natural that a group like the NOI would for form from being threatened and feeling the need to fight back.

Its not so much black and white as it is human nature. These circumstances are paralleled worlwide and throughout history.



now with all that said - what are you gonna do about it ?

you have an option to complain about it here or post your beliefs in gen chat - say what you want and believe what you want - just don't bring it to KTL - - its that simple - i'm going to stay NOI - for life - nothing a few angry white boys say about the NOI is going to change that - lol - now carry on

Chris
07-26-2009, 10:30 AM
you think its a legitimate debate - its something that i'm not debating with you - you have a very limited understaning of the NOI - thats fact - you haven't read any of the messengers books - i'm assuming this, but what you spit out about the NOI allows me to assume this -

I'm not debating these things with you -

But why? You have no idea what I've read. Instead of locking threads and deleting posts, either let your opinion be heard or stay out of it. Why lock the thread simply because someone disagrees with you and you feel they're not capable of debating?

there is a webcast on sunday where The Minister will be speaking about Michael Jackson and his death - you came in there telling us that it'll probaly be him blaming white people -

so i deleted your silly post and locked the thread -

He probably will be. The religious symbolism looked disgusting. Let me ask you this though, if he does blame white people, will I be allowed to talk about it then?

intelligent discussion goes on everyday all day - find something intelligent to say and get in where you fit in

Exposing the lies and evilness the NOI is built upon certainly seems like an intelligent topic to me, it also seems to be interesting to the rest of the people in this thread. Unfortunately, we're not allowed to talk about it.

i don't fell threatened - white people in general feel threatened - because the NOI questions their existence and their mark on this earth - speak bad about someone or something you know has done bad - The Noi is a Nation - its possible that a small number of people in that nation may have made some mistakes - just like white people have built a nation and have made some mistakes without a doubt - should i begin saying "bad things" about white people again ?

I don't feel threatened. However, I think NOI members feel threatened by white people.

cause there is allot that i can say - and bring facts and proof behind what i say -

So say it.

what yall bring to the table about the NOI is garbage - and as long as i'm here it won't be tolerated -

So basically you're going to delete everything that isn't up to your standards? This is ridiculous. Instead of deletion, how about EXPLAINING YOUR POINTS? How about TELLING US WHAT IS MISINFORMATION? How do you expect people to learn?

soul controller
07-26-2009, 10:42 AM
Sunny deletes post that are ignorant.. most of you have no idea abotu what THE NOI represent. or their values./. but u label them rascist.. ???

your own facts on the NOI are WRONG,. and you want sunny to explain his views. so u can all jump on him???

the NOI are not RASCIST,. its to do with physical/mental attributes..
noi dont despise white folk LOL,. thats the lack of understanding sunny is talkin bout
its not a religion.. its based on facts. and how people/genetically have progressed.. or.. not progressed

its about sitting back and reading the messages,. and learning from them. if you come with the ciew point they are rascist.. then.. you wont learn anything.. let alone get sunny to have a proper discussion with u

LORD NOSE
07-26-2009, 11:11 AM
^ they refuse to understand that though lol


Why lock the thread simply because someone disagrees with you and you feel they're not capable of debating?


if that was the case, all threads would get locked



He probably will be. The religious symbolism looked disgusting. Let me ask you this though, if he does blame white people, will I be allowed to talk about it then?


then wait until he does - until then keep your foolish predictions to yourself



Exposing the lies and evilness the NOI is built upon certainly seems like an intelligent topic to me, it also seems to be interesting to the rest of the people in this thread. Unfortunately, we're not allowed to talk about it.


you allowed to talk about what you want - but it seems that yall cannot talk about it in a respectful peaceful intelligent manner - go to gen chat and talk about it so that yall can call each other faggots and dicks when yall disagree - the evilness and lies yall spit toward the NOI will not be tolerated in KTL - go somewhere else with that nonsense




I don't feel threatened. However, I think NOI members feel threatened by white people.


you can feel what you want - but your words on this board tell us different - if you really wanted to know whatthe NOI is all about, then study the NOI - would i go to a muslim who hates christians in order for me to learn about christianity ?

no - i'd go to a church and listen to a pastor and read the bible so that i can understand where they are coming from - your sources steered you wrong and i won't let you put up misinformation - end of story - that won't change as long as i'm here - you got a problem with me being here, take it up with the authorities -



So say it.

i have and i do - where have you been



So basically you're going to delete everything that isn't up to your standards? This is ridiculous. Instead of deletion, how about EXPLAINING YOUR POINTS? How about TELLING US WHAT IS MISINFORMATION? How do you expect people to learn?

i explain my points - very well - all the time - you will not listen to what i tell you - because in your mind, i'm blind and i follow hateful teachings - this limits you from getting anything of worth from me - so move on cause it won't change - I'm NOI - deal with it or don't deal with it - but you will take your rants and misinformation elsewhere - that's just how it is son

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 11:11 AM
People aren't stupid soul controller.

They may never say they are 'racist'....of course they won't do that. It would eradicate any credibility they have left amongst non members.

whats the message???
I've seen it tried to be explained on this site. Its rather ambiguous.

Are they racist? I don't know. I think they have a strong preponderance toward a dislike toward who they consider 'white' people.

Saying a certain group of people haven't 'genetically progressed' is an attempt as subversive bigotry.
Nazi's and whites used these same techniques a century ago and many actually thought they were correct.

This type of thinking is nothing more than 'reverse racism'...a word all black folks love to here, I know.

You just said it yourself...'ITS BADED ON FACTS. AND HOW PEOPLE/GENETICALLY HAVE PROGRESSED.. OR..NOT PROGRESSED'

Explain yourself with that one. Provide facts because that is a very loaded statement.
Also, aside from providing the evidence for that statement you made, break down its significance.....What is it to be 'genetically progressed' or 'not progressed'.

How does that make one better or more aware?

Like i said, that is a loaded statement, and if your up to it, I'd like to build with YOU on such a statement. So I can better understand were exactly you are coming from with it.

LORD NOSE
07-26-2009, 11:27 AM
People aren't stupid soul controller.

They may never say they are 'racist'....of course they won't do that. It would eradicate any credibility they have left amongst non members.

and its the same with white people - should we just go and say that all white people are racist and hate black people -
this is the big difference though

white people have a long history of hating and killing black people
should "white people" be trusted ?

the NOI doesn't have a history of killing white people - but do have a history of speaking out against the hatred directed toward black people by white people
should the NOI be trusted ?



Are they racist? I don't know. I think they have a strong preponderance toward a dislike toward who they consider 'white' people.


are white people racist ?

they have a strong preponderance toward a dislike toward who they consider 'black' people.


Saying a certain group of people haven't 'genetically progressed' is an attempt as subversive bigotry.

study it, is there any truth to it ?

or did you just dismiss it as false because it would hurt you to view yourself this way ?



Nazi's and whites used these same techniques a century ago and many actually thought they were correct.

This type of thinking is nothing more than 'reverse racism'...a word all black folks love to here, I know.


challenge it - are white people genetically inferior to black people ?


You just said it yourself...'ITS BADED ON FACTS. AND HOW PEOPLE/GENETICALLY HAVE PROGRESSED.. OR..NOT PROGRESSED'

Explain yourself with that one. Provide facts because that is a very loaded statement.

provide facts against it



Also, aside from providing the evidence for that statement you made, break down its significance.....What is it to be 'genetically progressed' or 'not progressed'.

How does that make one better or more aware?


study the movements and history of those we are talking about - what have they shown the world


Like i said, that is a loaded statement, and if your up to it, I'd like to build with YOU on such a statement. So I can better understand were exactly you are coming from with it.

i'm going to address your statements regardless -

what are the differences between white people and the NOI ?

my questions almost never get answered - Chris tried though -

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 11:32 AM
That wasn't directed at you Sunny, it was directed at soul controller.


When debating with subjects that you bring up, you usually apply 'tit for tat' type arguements.
Something along the lines of 'Well they did this, so why can't we do that?'

Or "well I can't prove this, so you disprove it?"

Nothing can be achieved.

Soul Controller made a statement. A blanket statement. I asked him to elaborate.

I'm not quite sure where you fit in to that equation.

LORD NOSE
07-26-2009, 11:58 AM
That wasn't directed at you Sunny, it was directed at soul controller.


When debating with subjects that you bring up, you usually apply 'tit for tat' type arguements.
Something along the lines of 'Well they did this, so why can't we do that?'


that's not my MO -i used it here because this is what you do when the horrors of your people are brought up to the surface - "well africans did it too" "
well asians do it too"

that is you MO so i thought i'd use it so that you can understand where i'm coming from



Soul Controller made a statement. A blanket statement. I asked him to elaborate.

I'm not quite sure where you fit in to that equation.


you obvisouly didn't read this part of my last post

i'm going to address your statements regardless -

that means that i don't care who you directed your questions to
- i'll speak on them regardless -

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 12:30 PM
ok sunny. do your thing. waste your time.

AcidPhosphate69
07-26-2009, 03:24 PM
What the fuck?

I can understand why Sunny wouldn't want to talk to somebody that doesn't understand what they're talking about. Completely agree.

But Sunny, you do realize that you're just mirroring the same ignorance?

You complain cuz they don't know about NOI, with a validity. You call somebody ignorant for judging based on nothing, which makes sense.

But you do realize that to judge and entire blanket race of people by actions in the past is arrogant and ignorant in it's own right?

Who are you to say all white people are a certain kind of devil? Sure you have facts that say my ancestors did horrible shit. But why would the actions of others doom the good people?

If you demand the respect of not judging without true knowledge, why wouldn't you give the same respect back?

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-26-2009, 03:33 PM
from their own website:


10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited.

thats called racism.

Nobody wants to know anymore.

Mumm Ra
07-26-2009, 03:41 PM
study it, is there any truth to it ?

or did you just dismiss it as false because it would hurt you to view yourself this way ?
yo Sunny - I remember Nicky straight up admitted to not wanting to debate me on a topic because of how it struck him.
Meaning he read it, got emotional about it, and dismissed it.
but when TSA made a thread about certain "black characteristics" he was QUICK to be intrigued and interested about it and wonder if it was true.
and he had nothing to say when I called him out on it.

This is why people like myself won't even get into it with people like that anymore -
and they want to complain about it??
some people need to seriously mature before they can even begin to have things explained to them.

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-26-2009, 03:49 PM
SMH at white people trying to be "down with NOI"
you got some seriosu black man fantasy issue there

THEY HATE YOU

food for thought
07-26-2009, 04:03 PM
most of you have no idea abotu what THE NOI represent. or their values./. but u label them rascist.. ???

your own facts on the NOI are WRONG,. and you want sunny to explain his views. so u can all jump on him???

the NOI are not RASCIST,. its to do with physical/mental attributes..
noi dont despise white folk LOL,. thats the lack of understanding sunny is talkin bout
its not a religion.. its based on facts.


cosign.

and its not mind baffling when u understand why they do what they do.

Mumm Ra
07-26-2009, 04:08 PM
lol I've never tried to be down with the NOI, nor do I care to be
and I've never been hated on by a member of said organization
...this is exactly what I'm talkin about tho
the people who like to complain are the ones who come up with EMOTIONAL and IRRATIONAL shit out of nowhere.
Then complain when their ignorance isn't treated with respect.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 06:17 PM
yo Sunny - I remember Nicky straight up admitted to not wanting to debate me on a topic because of how it struck him.
Meaning he read it, got emotional about it, and dismissed it.
but when TSA made a thread about certain "black characteristics" he was QUICK to be intrigued and interested about it and wonder if it was true.
and he had nothing to say when I called him out on it.

This is why people like myself won't even get into it with people like that anymore -
and they want to complain about it??
some people need to seriously mature before they can even begin to have things explained to them.


I dont debate with you because of the way you debate. Its unethical and impossible to actual 'build' with you.

Your just out to 'win' an arguement and say the other guy 'lost'.

Thats unproductive.

Considering that no where in my family line did my ancestors own slaves, I suppose, after reading the goals of the NOI posted by begongo, that i am immune from everythign they say....
off course except for the part about the prohibition of 'race mixing'.


The last thing you said....about 'maturity'.....LOL. Boy if that aint the pot calling the kettle black...

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 06:20 PM
lol I've never tried to be down with the NOI, nor do I care to be
and I've never been hated on by a member of said organization
...this is exactly what I'm talkin about tho
the people who like to complain are the ones who come up with EMOTIONAL and IRRATIONAL shit out of nowhere.
Then complain when their ignorance isn't treated with respect.

Its my judgement that the NOI, from what I have gathered in personal experience and online experience and readings....is that they are a fairly extremist organization whose views I do not agree with and whom I feel aren't genuine.


To sit here and portray yourself as above everyone and perfect.....LOL...seriously??

I have learned some things from people on this site who post in KTL. But you have definitely not been one of them.

Mumm Ra
07-26-2009, 06:45 PM
I dont debate with you because of the way you debate. Its unethical and impossible to actual 'build' with you.
lol @ unethical.
okay.

Your just out to 'win' an arguement and say the other guy 'lost'.
^ emotional response, just like I called it
please show me where I have EVER done so in KTL
I've said that ONCE in my lifetime on this forum, in GEN CHAT, YESTERDAY, to YOU, because you lost.
lol.




The last thing you said....about 'maturity'.....LOL. Boy if that aint the pot calling the kettle black...
you're right -
it aint
dude...you have ADMITTED to having certain opinions based on your EMOTIONS.
Explain to me how that is a display of maturity please.
whenever I debate - I always keep my emotions out.




To sit here and portray yourself as above everyone and perfect.....LOL...seriously??
I hope you're not referring to myself
because I would have no idea where you'd get that from

I have learned some things from people on this site who post in KTL. But you have definitely not been one of them.
that's too bad
I've learned some things from you - such as some people are not worth explaining things to

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 07:02 PM
grow up...nobody is emotional, its not that serious.

Your too high strung and childish.

Mic Tyson
07-26-2009, 07:23 PM
yo sunny why did you delete my post in ktl a couple minutes ago?

LORD NOSE
07-26-2009, 07:47 PM
yo Sunny - I remember Nicky straight up admitted to not wanting to debate me on a topic because of how it struck him.
Meaning he read it, got emotional about it, and dismissed it.
but when TSA made a thread about certain "black characteristics" he was QUICK to be intrigued and interested about it and wonder if it was true.
and he had nothing to say when I called him out on it.

This is why people like myself won't even get into it with people like that anymore -
and they want to complain about it??
some people need to seriously mature before they can even begin to have things explained to them.


because they are racist and don't know it -

if i say that white people have a history of abusing black people for centuries and that we should separate from them, they'll say i'm racist


but if i bring up a story about a woman who is abused by her husband, they'll say that she should leave him and find another man

if someone gets tazered by police for speeding, they'll say fuck the police

and i'll ask "all of them" and they'll say "Yeah, all cops are pigs,fuck em"

they are racist and don't even know it

LORD NOSE
07-26-2009, 07:52 PM
so are yall saying that if i see and old white woman having trouble getting on a bus and she has allot of bags in her hands and i'm walking by that i would not help her onto the bus because she is "white" ?

and if i find out that a user that i was building with is "white" that i'll start being disrespectful to that person and erase their threads and post for being "white" ?




is that what yall are saying ?

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 08:07 PM
because they are racist and don't know it -

if i say that white people have a history of abusing black people for centuries and that we should separate from them, they'll say i'm racist


but if i bring up a story about a woman who is abused by her husband, they'll say that she should leave him and find another man

if someone gets tazered by police for speeding, they'll say fuck the police

and i'll ask "all of them" and they'll say "Yeah, all cops are pigs,fuck em"

they are racist and don't even know it

this is totally untrue if your talking about me.

I never argued that from the Columbus landing in america that certain white groups profited from slave labor and abused blacks.

Thats you assuming that all whites think that way, which you, according to yourself, already know is not right to assume.

People have a tendency to group a bunch of people as one. NOI seems guilty of this at times, but I dont mean to pick on them because I dont know many people that do not do this.


IN my opinion, i can't stand when someone calls another person 'racist'....the word itself has become generic....like 'fascist'

its become just a slur to throw at someone if you wish to discredit them.

I believe there are very few actual active 'racists'...both black and white and in between.

There are many passive 'racists'...and I think most of us fall in this category.

Very few fall in the category of perfect human beings.



So lets all cut the bullshit when it comes to that. Whehter its history or your own life experience that has pissed you off.

AcidPhosphate69
07-26-2009, 08:13 PM
You're still dodging my post.

I see your logic and it makes sense, I agree. Some people use blanket statements and get pissed when they're applied under anotehr blanket statement. It's hypocritical.

But you see the flaw is when you apply a blanket statement that doesn't fit. That's when people get pissed.

because they are racist and don't know it -

if i say that white people have a history of abusing black people for centuries and that we should separate from them, they'll say i'm racist


I wouldn't say that's racist per se. I'd say it's kinda wrong to judge the rest of us "whites" based on our bad history. Would you call a young German boy a Nazi because his grandparents may or may not have been?

It just seems a little off to me. If the NOI are seperatist, that's fine. That's their choice. I have no problem with that. But blaming us average white people is wrong. You think I've oppressing anybody while I'm working two jobs and trying to get out of a hole I dug as a teenager? I'd have to say no to that one. I just don't have the time.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 08:19 PM
basically, by disagreeing with Sunny, you are question his beliefs, so he is going to attack you for it.


This is why diplomacy is so difficult and damn near impossible when one or both sides refuses to find a middle ground.

There is no middle ground with Sunny. He is not budging.

Furthermore, a Christian of the same zeal would not budge.

Extreme polar opposites nestles right next to eachother on the circular spectrum of belief.

SubConsciousThoughts
07-26-2009, 09:06 PM
Wait so the person who runs KTL believes white people were put here by aliens?

And Ghostlaced was right when he said "He is single handily driving people away from KTL" I could agree with this, matter of fact his obvious bias on a few sunbjects is the reason why I don't post in there that much anymore.

LORD NOSE
07-26-2009, 10:00 PM
[quote=AcidPhosphate69;1635045]I wouldn't say that's racist per se. I'd say it's kinda wrong to judge the rest of us "whites" based on our bad history. Would you call a young German boy a Nazi because his grandparents may or may not have been?

It just seems a little off to me. If the NOI are seperatist, that's fine. That's their choice. I have no problem with that. But blaming us average white people is wrong. You think I've oppressing anybody while I'm working two jobs and trying to get out of a hole I dug as a teenager? I'd have to say no to that one. I just don't have the time.


you must not be reading my post - most of yall who have a problem are most likely not reading my words - but i'm not going to keep repeating myself - if yall don't like the way KTL is going, then stay outa there - its that simple - if you chose to not read what i post or angrily skip over what i'm saying or dismiss what i'm saying, there will be no understanding - Nick and Ghost just want to paint a negative picture for the hell of it - they know they are wrong - they are either straight up devils, or paid to slander - some of yall just got bad reading comprehension skills or cannot or will not focus on whats being said to yall - and thats ok - but i won't allow yall to disrupt KTL -

Mic Tyson
07-26-2009, 10:05 PM
why da fuck u delete my post?