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begongo
07-26-2009, 01:30 PM
After all this time of wucorping I have decided it's time to gain more understanding than what has been twisted in KTL for years

So here it is, according to their official website:

What The Muslims Want


This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own--either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years--until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master's children and establish a land of their own.
We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land--or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities--NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education--but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women's colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.



What The Muslims Believe


1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur'an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah's Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America...

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names--the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality--as a nation--of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of "freed slaves."
We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.
Source: http://www.noi.org/muslim_program.htm

Enjoy!

SKAMPOE
07-26-2009, 01:45 PM
Teachin the seeds ey bego lol but yo this is true shit..

begongo
07-26-2009, 03:05 PM
and racial mixing should be prohibited ! well goodbye human evolution lol

if you ask me, from most of their political and economical "demands" I can only conclude they really wished they were jews lol

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-26-2009, 03:23 PM
10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.

Yet, all 3 of their leaders through time have been light skinned, even white? Farrakant is clearly of mixed heritage, and is no were near all black, same with Elijah "i fuck white teens" muhammed, and the FOUNDER was white.

The rest of it is all disgusting propaganda. They mix in little things like this that show what they are really all about.

Its like the BNP party in england, everyone knows they are a white supramacist party, but they try to put themselves across as a normal party, to trap ignorants who go along with it, and once they are trapped and in, they get them to push their true values.

SKAMPOE
07-26-2009, 04:22 PM
smh

HANZO
07-26-2009, 04:23 PM
all is good, but wanting a separate state or territory?? what happened to Africa??

theDZA
07-26-2009, 05:54 PM
Yet, all 3 of their leaders through time have been light skinned, even white? Farrakant is clearly of mixed heritage, and is no were near all black, same with Elijah "i fuck white teens" muhammed, and the FOUNDER was white.

The rest of it is all disgusting propaganda. They mix in little things like this that show what they are really all about.

Its like the BNP party in england, everyone knows they are a white supramacist party, but they try to put themselves across as a normal party, to trap ignorants who go along with it, and once they are trapped and in, they get them to push their true values.


co-sign to the fullest

and lol at the comparison to BNP, but it is kinda true...i remember seeing a BNP advert on TV (just before the wire, the show full of black people which made me laugh), but they were basically being racist and trying to be 'nice' about it...

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 05:59 PM
Give them whatever the Palestinians have left.

So then, the world will hate African-Americans living in the former Palestine, and the white man can sit back while Jews, blacks and Palestinians kill eachother.

Its perfect......almost too perfect.

Jutzu-Lo-Killer
07-26-2009, 05:59 PM
fils de pute

Uncle Steezo
07-26-2009, 06:38 PM
this is what i saw:

well its easy to type a bunch of shit that's obviously true, the fact remains that tissa sucks. all he does do is preach about how black ppl need to stop sucking without a drop of planning. derek just blogs about how black ppl need to be this and that with no plan what so ever or no initiative, then dumb ppl go "yeah, preach, this is true shit"

mmkay fag.

and have you ever gone to my fob house parties i promote? god, lol, they're a wack ass breed o people.

^HAHAHAHAHAhahah!!!


LOL now that you look at it yeah! I dream to be white. that's why i'm always spewing self defeating jealous white supremacy. There's so many wucorp threads based on me trying to prove that blacks ain't shit that it's ridiculous.

ok fag, lets say i'm right about blacks, I'm still a monkey from Nigeria so wtf? what do you have to do with a guy in Nebraska with a huge nose?

oh, cause the original mans doctrine of grouping every white as the definiton of unnatural, is universal law and I yern to be a faggot cracker.

TSA is the most blatant evidence of black people hating what they are and wanting, more then anything in the world, to be white.

My best friend is even white. shit's soooo embarrassing.


i mean look at this shit. in africa i'm nigger rich.

ITS CALLED NIGERIA.

blacks were given a minerally rich fertile land in africa called
LIBERIA. That shit actually exist and whoever typed this jargon couldn't google it.

mind you when they got the land they went there and enslaved the black natives so that they can feel like the white man for the first time in their lives.



the shit in green is good.
i edited your posts for those with calcified pineals or blind 3rd eyes. hope you don't mind. no ether.

so back to the liberia thing. i think about that a lot. but there are
a few reasons liberia was doomed from the start.


1. everybody didn't go. any number of reasons. but as dumb as it sounds...everybody needed to go for it to work. its like if all the foriegn NBA players got mad and said. we'll make our own leauge. but ming gasol and novitski say fuck that. but thats their right to choose.

2. There america will never really work towards the upliftment of black people. lets be real. whatever the us gov did to help liberia get startde, get moving, or support in times of need/crisis was prolly a fraction of what it required. look at iraq. and they actually have something we want.

3. black people are/were traumatized. one of the symptoms of abuse is to mimic the same violent behavior. i wasn't surprised they took slaves. made perfect sense.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-26-2009, 07:30 PM
^^^as far as the slavery thing goes, that's just making excuses...it does make sense based on 'trauma' but it shows both an ethical and intellectual failure. at some point you have to be held accountable for perpetuating the exploitation and abuse of what's ostensibly your own people.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-26-2009, 07:35 PM
jesus christ we should have stayed in Italy or went to argentina....

you mutherfuckering whites and blacks got serious fucking issues with eachother..

Inspectah_Dirk
07-26-2009, 09:22 PM
Only right thing to say here must be: WHAT A BULL-FUCKING-SHIT

Uncle Steezo
07-26-2009, 10:07 PM
^^^as far as the slavery thing goes, that's just making excuses...it does make sense based on 'trauma' but it shows both an ethical and intellectual failure. at some point you have to be held accountable for perpetuating the exploitation and abuse of what's ostensibly your own people.
you say that but yet white america recognizes the effects of molestation, divorce, school shootings, rape, dysfunctional families, death, stress, being kidnapped, poor diet, stress, post traumatic stress syndrome.....when it happens to them.....once . they either require medical/psych help or sue for millions of dollars.
but when ALL OF THOSE things happened repeatedly... to a group of people for generations... up until last generation(legally) ...white america says "GET OVER IT"


accountablitiy equates to rehabilitation
in order for blacks to take charge of their lives, they need to be fixed
rehabilitation is what some would call REPAIRations


jesus christ we should have stayed in Italy or went to argentina....

you mutherfuckering whites and blacks got serious fucking issues with eachother..

historically speaking, italians literally took the ho route...
i know yall niggerlovin asses aint got no probs with black folks.

this pic is from a documentary on 9th century sicily.
http://www.snowbunnyblog.com/wp-content/interracial-pics/gangbanged_white_girl_01.jpg

LORD NOSE
07-26-2009, 10:20 PM
you say that but yet white america recognizes the effects of molestation, divorce, school shootings, rape, dysfunctional families, death, stress, being kidnapped, poor diet, stress, post traumatic stress syndrome.....when it happens to them.....once . they either require medical/psych help or sue for millions of dollars.
but when ALL OF THOSE things happened repeatedly... to a group of people for generations... up until last generation(legally) ...white america says "GET OVER IT"



they tell us to get over it because they don't view us as fully human
we are viewed as unwanted domesticated animals in their site - too many of them don't even know that they are racist - the white power structure has diseased every one -

begongo
07-27-2009, 03:06 AM
1. everybody didn't go. any number of reasons. but as dumb as it sounds...everybody needed to go for it to work. its like if all the foriegn NBA players got mad and said. we'll make our own leauge. but ming gasol and novitski say fuck that. but thats their right to choose.
how many of the black americans you know do you think would actually agree to move to another country on another continent that would be run by the NOI?

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 05:41 AM
historically speaking, italians literally took the ho route...
i know yall niggerlovin asses aint got no probs with black folks.

this pic is from a documentary on 9th century sicily.
http://www.snowbunnyblog.com/wp-content/interracial-pics/gangbanged_white_girl_01.jpg


It was more like raping and pillaging. FOr generations.

And now you wanna poke fun at it, all the while looking for sympathy from the whites.

PLus, you need to find out just who the Moors were and where exactly they went.

You don't wanna go the Daryl route and just assume everything

SKAMPOE
07-27-2009, 05:49 AM
who the fuck is Daryl Moor?

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 05:50 AM
some loser

SKAMPOE
07-27-2009, 05:54 AM
http://www.imagehut.net/images/29otci2zqyqosytnvnfb.jpg (http://www.imagehut.net/images/29otci2zqyqosytnvnfb.jpg)

drippie k
07-27-2009, 12:32 PM
It was more like raping and pillaging. FOr generations.

And now you wanna poke fun at it, all the while looking for sympathy from the whites.

PLus, you need to find out just who the Moors were and where exactly they went.

You don't wanna go the Daryl route and just assume everything
so the moors raped and pillaged southern italy?
that's funny, they pretty much integrated and built modern science and technology and lived peacefully with catholics and jews here in southern spain:tease:

beautifulrock
07-27-2009, 12:38 PM
[/b]they tell us to get over it because they don't view us as fully human
we are viewed as unwanted domesticated animals in their site - too many of them don't even know that they are racist - the white power structure has diseased every one - [/color]Sure, but that's the exact same mentality you are spreading.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-27-2009, 01:18 PM
the battered wife analogy is disingenuous, condescending, and just way off base...you're comparing an individualized trauma to trauma inflicted over an entire populace for generations...makes no sense.

but to pursue that to it's logical conclusion, the liberian thing is equivalent to a child that witnessed is mother get beat by some cruel stepdad and then immediately got into a relationship and abused his spouse. 'i saw daddy do it so it must be ok'

in my opinion, you're feeding into this 'white supremacist/black americans with no self esteem' mindset by copping out to this multi-generational trauma as the answer to every negative behavior that's exhibited. and i am not saying get over it by any means, because i think the historical momentum of 400+ years cannot be counteracted in 3-4 decades, but at some point you have to embrace the fact that you are a human being capable of making decisions on your own and take responsibility for them...regardless of imagery in the media, socioeconomic inequality, or living in a country founded on genocide and exploitation. you have a brain, use it, and don't blame someone else when you don't.

also, the tendency to say 'niggas ain't shit' at the first display of some ignorant fools who don't happen to be paragons of elevated virtue is highly indicative of low self esteem and manipulation by a white supremacist social culture.

basically, everybody just needs to fuck until we're all the same color so we can find even more petty and ridiculous reasons to hate each other and convince ourselves we're superior to other people...and anyone opposed to miscegenation is a dumbass.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 04:29 PM
so the moors raped and pillaged southern italy?
that's funny, they pretty much integrated and built modern science and technology and lived peacefully with catholics and jews here in southern spain:tease:

Sure thats what the Islamo arabwashed textbooks portrayed.

then shit got real and the Reconquista happened senor.

drippie k
07-27-2009, 07:38 PM
yeah, they expelled the muslims and jews around the time they wanted to explore the new world and since then southern spain is the poorest part of the country...most of the sailors that went to the americas were from the south and who kept the gold? the king, queen and the catholic heirarchy in the north

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 08:37 PM
oh i see.....you hate yourself.

drippie k
07-28-2009, 07:47 AM
not really no...lol i'm just sayin..not like it was me who did that

i'm from the south dude, i could see morocco from the beach where i lived..people in the north don't like us, they think we're lazy half-moor beach dwellers living off sunflower seeds

i take its kinda the same in italy isn't it? the north don't get along with south?

Compulsion
07-28-2009, 08:14 AM
Sure, but that's the exact same mentality you are spreading.

Pretty much. Replacing a corrupt system with another corrupt system and hierarchy is not the solution. Just a perpetuates the problem. By focusing on why we should dislike each other over the past only assures that the past repeats itself by never trying to move on.

Robert
07-28-2009, 08:15 AM
If this sort of discussion can go on in General Chat, why exactly do we need KTL?

Compulsion
07-28-2009, 08:16 AM
If this sort of discussion can go on in General Chat, why exactly do we need KTL?

So Sunny has something to do? =P

Robert
07-28-2009, 08:30 AM
That's probably correct.

begongo
07-28-2009, 10:55 AM
If this sort of discussion can go on in General Chat, why exactly do we need KTL?KTL ? I thought that's where only duh gawdz n earfz "build"

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 11:10 AM
hey, i'm just going to repost this since it seems some people are frightened of genuinely serious discussion:

the battered wife analogy is disingenuous, condescending, and just way off base...you're comparing an individualized trauma to trauma inflicted over an entire populace for generations...makes no sense.

but to pursue that to it's logical conclusion, the liberian thing is equivalent to a child that witnessed is mother get beat by some cruel stepdad and then immediately got into a relationship and abused his spouse. 'i saw daddy do it so it must be ok'

in my opinion, you're feeding into this 'white supremacist/black americans with no self esteem' mindset by copping out to this multi-generational trauma as the answer to every negative behavior that's exhibited. and i am not saying get over it by any means, because i think the historical momentum of 400+ years cannot be counteracted in 3-4 decades, but at some point you have to embrace the fact that you are a human being capable of making decisions on your own and take responsibility for them...regardless of imagery in the media, socioeconomic inequality, or living in a country founded on genocide and exploitation. you have a brain, use it, and don't blame someone else when you don't.

also, the tendency to say 'niggas ain't shit' at the first display of some ignorant fools who don't happen to be paragons of elevated virtue is highly indicative of low self esteem and manipulation by a white supremacist social culture.

begongo
07-29-2009, 04:01 AM
what pandemic wants to say is he disagrees with gavin

Olive Oil Goombah
07-29-2009, 05:51 AM
not really no...lol i'm just sayin..not like it was me who did that

i'm from the south dude, i could see morocco from the beach where i lived..people in the north don't like us, they think we're lazy half-moor beach dwellers living off sunflower seeds

i take its kinda the same in italy isn't it? the north don't get along with south?

true. very true.

my ancestors from the middle....directly across from Rome on the Adriatic.

Uncle Steezo
07-29-2009, 06:09 AM
pandemic is not black. wucorp is the most interaction with blacks he has in daily life.

he said it can't be defeated in 3-4 decades but yet in the same breath says blacks need to use their brain. as if some of us know better or were not indoctrinated with a nigger mentality.

the nigger is a product of hundreds of years of deliberate dehumanization. some of us in 2009 have the same mentality as his 1809 counterpart.

point blank... some of us don't know any better and some of us are taught NOT to know better.


the fact is that parents pass on the same negative self defeating behaviors that they experience on to their kids. couple that with negative reinforcement from media, poverty and injustice and you have a self perpetuating cycle.

anyone who cant understand that...pandemic...doesn't understand human beings.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-29-2009, 07:23 AM
^^^self-defeating mentality
you said it yourself

some people are stuck on negative reinforcement, but to say that alot of people don't have the intelligence, awareness and foresight to rise above the shit society has thrown at them and their ancestors is justcondescending bullshit.

your personal attacks are just internet cliches "i'm not black..this is the most interaction with black people..." that's the best you can do? i guess you were offended at me showing that your arguments are themselves a form of 'nigger mentality'...i never denied that they're are people lost in a world of miseducation, negative imagery and dehumanization...but that's not just black people. look around you, that's what humanity as a whole is going through right now. i guess because you feel like you're in a loftier position right now that you're qualified to right off the majority of black americans as blind, ignorant and generally lost. but not everybody thinks like you. not everybody would think calling themslves james crow on a message board is funny or ironic. not everybody would be quick to say 'niggas ain't shit' based on a youtube video. you're a buffoon.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-29-2009, 01:26 PM
pandemic....lets get it out of the way.


what are your you??

beautifulrock
07-29-2009, 01:42 PM
hey, i'm just going to repost this since it seems some people are frightened of genuinely serious discussion:

the battered wife analogy is disingenuous, condescending, and just way off base...you're comparing an individualized trauma to trauma inflicted over an entire populace for generations...makes no sense.

but to pursue that to it's logical conclusion, the liberian thing is equivalent to a child that witnessed is mother get beat by some cruel stepdad and then immediately got into a relationship and abused his spouse. 'i saw daddy do it so it must be ok'

in my opinion, you're feeding into this 'white supremacist/black americans with no self esteem' mindset by copping out to this multi-generational trauma as the answer to every negative behavior that's exhibited. and i am not saying get over it by any means, because i think the historical momentum of 400+ years cannot be counteracted in 3-4 decades, but at some point you have to embrace the fact that you are a human being capable of making decisions on your own and take responsibility for them...regardless of imagery in the media, socioeconomic inequality, or living in a country founded on genocide and exploitation. you have a brain, use it, and don't blame someone else when you don't.

also, the tendency to say 'niggas ain't shit' at the first display of some ignorant fools who don't happen to be paragons of elevated virtue is highly indicative of low self esteem and manipulation by a white supremacist social culture.yea it kinda reminds me of Chris Farley shouting "KILL WHITEY" in Black Sheep"

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-29-2009, 02:22 PM
^^^lol...

tooch, i'm pretty sure i explained this before but i'm black/white/filipino/indian---my grandmother on my mom's side is white/filipino, and my grandfather on my dad's side is black/ indian--miccosukee...i could start a casino seriously

now i'm going to get clowned for that and told my opinions hold no weight lol

style do you feel like every, or at least a large majority , of black americans in 2009 have been indoctrinated with a 'nigger mentality'? that's what you seem to be implying which is incredibly condescending and dismissive of the efforts of a lot people right now and throughout history since this bullshit started. and define 'nigger mentality' too. i know exactly what you mean but maybe once you see the words on the computer screen you'll see how misguided you are for playing into that dumb shit.