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check two
07-27-2009, 05:09 PM
What are your thoughts on this? Some actual positivity coming out of Atlanta?

I apologize for the accents in the video clip and also most of the interviews are pretty boring. It sounds like the people are ready to fall asleep.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14764373&ch=4226713&src=news


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The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development late Wednesday gave its OK to the Atlanta Housing Authority (AHA) to tear down the city's final four major family housing projects.

The projects slated for demolition -- Hollywood Courts, Thomasville Heights, Herndon Homes and Bankhead Courts -- have more than 1,200 units. The demolition of a fifth project, Bowen Homes, with 650 units, was approved last week.

"History has been written today," said Renee Lewis Glover, AHA president and CEO. "These approvals mean the end of the 73 years of housing projects in Atlanta. We have become the first major city in the nation to completely eradicate these areas of government-sponsored concentrated poverty, crime and low educational achievement."

Glover added that AHA remains focused on serving the housing needs of Atlanta's poorer citizens.

"In the 1930s, public housing was an amazingly far-sighted approach to the nation's critical shortage of housing," Glover said. "But in the 21st Century, a new approach is necessary -- one that integrates the families into the mainstream economy. Isolating poor families apart from the mainstream is wrong. The costs, financial, human, and social are staggering."

beautifulrock
07-27-2009, 05:12 PM
So what happens to all the poor people? Oh that's right they're gonna kill them.

check two
07-27-2009, 05:16 PM
They will move to better areas and will continue to be in the section 8 type of programs.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 05:18 PM
I like this idea.... I think public housing has run its course.


Altho i am far from an expert on this subject. So i have no idea what the ramifications will be.

Section 8 housing??? Free rides to the apartments of the suburbs???

I've seen that happen alot by me. Your just basically moving them outta the city and putting them in the outskirts in the burbs....and then rebuilding the city, so that the city is the place to be.

It makes sense in alot of ways because the city has much more to offer than the suburbs if done right.

Move the poor out to where no one has to see them.....send them out into the country.

It sounds wrong, but really, isn't that how it should be??

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-27-2009, 05:32 PM
it's another form of gentrification...it's just playing musical chairs like tooch alluded to ...they will relocate to the burbs, property values will decline...meanwhile companies will buy the property where the projects used to be, make cosmopolitan apartments, and the rich will move there. when you're dealing with the economics of scarcity, the poor will be clustered and isolated into their own areas. that's how this socioeconomic system works. and that's not how it has to be, but that's how it will continue to be until a realistic plan for wealth redistrubtion is implemented...that or an american version of the reign of terror.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 05:40 PM
What type of redistribution thought??

Whats the limit, where does it end.

I think communism and aggressive socialism make everyone lazy and dependent.

That is the antithesis of what America, as an economic state has been.

I dont necessarily want us to go down that route.


I think the readjusting of population is needed.

Have you seen Detroit??? Let me show you around Cleveland.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-27-2009, 05:49 PM
what do you mean by readjusting of population?

and this economic state is a failure so maybe some redefinition is needed. and i'll define what i mean by failure as cliche as it is: if you are investing billions in war and economic subversion in other parts of the globe while millions of people are unemployed--and where people get paid millions of dollars to throw a ball but people who perform public service straddle the poverty line---your economic system is a failure.

unfortunately we have a system that was not predicated on equality or the ability for each citizen to have an equal chance to achieve success, and you're witnessing the results of that. this is not a democracy or a free market economy. it's some post government corporate state where businesses have more rights than people. we're in basically a feudal state based on economics, where instead of monarchs we have the descendants of robber barons, land sharks and oil men as the elite; and the descendants of the people who were being duped and by those sharks generations ago, are still in the dirt underneath the totem pole.

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-27-2009, 05:57 PM
this shit is disgusting.

city of atlanta should be ashamed of themselves, dont know how these people sleep at night. we expect nothing less of housing developers however.

like that woman said the only problem they see is poor people. theres always gonna be poor people in a capitalist country.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 06:02 PM
thats not the economic system....thats the political system. Problem is they have become intertwined, and thats not good, but thats why war is such a big business.

Giving free money to the poor will do nothing. It will only piss off people who actually work, cuz the working class man wouldnt be getting dick.

The jobless who chose to leech would, so therefore the guy who busts his ass and is barely more wealthy than the guy who aint doin shit will be like fuck this. Gimme some free money and easier livin.

If you think communism or aggressive socialism is the answer, I think your wrong because, both of those systems face the same exact problems you just spoke of.


Ballplayers get paid millions because millions of people pay good money to watch them every year. Its big business.

I dont agree with people who hate on big business just cuz they are mad they aren't rich, or they feel they should get free money.

Be mad because a business sells out and goes overseas.

That i can understand and therein lies the real problem.

Not our form of government. Not in my opinion.

U want the gov doing everything for you??? You want to be dependent on them??

Some people do. But thats not what America has been about.

Yea, its got plenty of flaws but this place has never been about being a welfare state. Nor should it be.

There is a fine line.

WHats happening as i said is that business and govt. are becoming one and the same in many respects and that is not good.

To me, it is not good that the VP and many in congress had connections with haliburton etc. its not good that Obama and Bush bailed out failing corporations.

Its not good that Clinton allowed outsourcing and promoted it.

Thats the problem. Its not redistribution of wealth. That is just the govt. taking control of your bank account. FUck that.

People think its all of these other things, but its not. Its fairly simple.

Whether or not people have an equal chance...thats kinda BS anyway. Some son of a banker whose father went to Harvard is going to have a greater chance than 99% of everyone in the country.
Thats just somethign you need to fucking deal with. Life's a bitch. It aint far for most of us.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 06:04 PM
this shit is disgusting.

city of atlanta should be ashamed of themselves, dont know how these people sleep at night. we expect nothing less of housing developers however.

like that woman said the only problem they see is poor people. theres always gonna be poor people in a capitalist country.

There is always going to be poor people regardless of what type of economic system you live in. Especially in larger countries.

But America's poor really aint poor by real poor standards. I was in the hood the other day, E. 79th and Cedar Ave and everyone of them houses had satellite dishes on it. EVERY SINGLE ONE. and this is the ghetto.

beautifulrock
07-27-2009, 06:56 PM
There are children living in abject poverty in this country, you have to realize that.

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
07-27-2009, 06:58 PM
what are your thoughts on this? Some actual positivity coming out of atlanta?

I apologize for the accents in the video clip and also most of the interviews are pretty boring. It sounds like the people are ready to fall asleep.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14764373&ch=4226713&src=news


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the u.s. Department of housing and urban development late wednesday gave its ok to the atlanta housing authority (aha) to tear down the city's final four major family housing projects.

The projects slated for demolition -- hollywood courts, thomasville heights, herndon homes and bankhead courts -- have more than 1,200 units. The demolition of a fifth project, bowen homes, with 650 units, was approved last week.

"history has been written today," said renee lewis glover, aha president and ceo. "these approvals mean the end of the 73 years of housing projects in atlanta. We have become the first major city in the nation to completely eradicate these areas of government-sponsored concentrated poverty, crime and low educational achievement."

glover added that aha remains focused on serving the housing needs of atlanta's poorer citizens.

"in the 1930s, public housing was an amazingly far-sighted approach to the nation's critical shortage of housing," glover said. "but in the 21st century, a new approach is necessary -- one that integrates the families into the mainstream economy. Isolating poor families apart from the mainstream is wrong. The costs, financial, human, and social are staggering."

cinncinatii tried to do this years ago

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 07:01 PM
you cant just do it all at once. Its a process that takes time plus all the variables.

Cincy is fucked.

check two
07-27-2009, 07:06 PM
Some poor people just don't like changes.

SKAMPOE
07-27-2009, 07:06 PM
we have 3 or 4 projects here, we had more but they were like the carter so they demolished them ''implosion''. wat hapened was crime rate went up cuz every one spread and started opening up blocks n shit.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 07:21 PM
they demolished few housing projects years back here. One spot they built a HOme depot the other is still vacant.

check two
07-27-2009, 07:37 PM
The housing authority helps low income people find jobs. Also, for people that rent with section 8, it helps them towards purchasing a house of their own. If people that are on Section 8 would rather act a fool and spend all their money on things such as 35 inch rims, tinted windows, and big ugly sunglasses, that's their own stupidity. If they aren't going to try to be productive, they should get booted off of the program.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-27-2009, 08:40 PM
they should because its like a getting a college scholarship in alot of ways.

It can actually be a good thing for poor people if the value goes down and they can buy up decent houses for cheap.

The important thing is sustaining the neighborhood an starting their own businesses their.

Bobby Budknickers
07-27-2009, 08:55 PM
Perry Homes to Herndon Homes, to all tha Homes!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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EAGLE EYE
07-27-2009, 11:03 PM
Housing projects & food bought with WIC checks look like royalty to these kids:

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2331/2111496514_59ed2cdb9b.jpg

check two
07-27-2009, 11:12 PM
The typical person getting a wic check is a fat white girl with glasses who has a bunch of kids with a thugsta.

EAGLE EYE
07-27-2009, 11:13 PM
correcto-mondo

Uncle Steezo
07-28-2009, 05:51 AM
i say dump the middle class too.
america should only allow rich people to be citizens.

SKAMPOE
07-28-2009, 05:54 AM
says the rich army brat^

Ghost In The 'Lac
07-28-2009, 06:56 AM
Blow them shits the fuck down.

Spread out poor ppl. when poor ppl live in too high of numbers in too dense a place the just eat eachother and rap for wucorp dispite having no teeth and waxed eyebrows.

blow them down. All those poor ppl can live anywhere else in the US which all provide free or subsudized housing. house projects didn't benefit a single human being.
im suprised their continuation is finding support on wucorp. I thought rza told you better.

They wont be "spread out" they will just be dead, and discontinued. Its basically genocide.

Its like Native americans, you took all their lands, dispersed them, now they are bascially going extinct.

Surreptitious
07-28-2009, 10:55 AM
gentrification

project residents being moved to Clayton County

prime real estate that is being wasted

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 11:08 AM
^^^exactly
i elaborated on this earlier, but it seems like alot of my posts get ignored because they make people feel intellectually inferior. (not directing this at you surreptitious)

no one's supporting the principle of housing projects; we are all aware it is merely a conglomeration meant to confine poor people and perpetuate a cannibalistic system where they prey on each other...but this is just musical chairs.

the housing projects were in the way of the smart cities they are planning, the poor will be off the grid so when the new infrastructure is built, they will be isolated in an underdeveloped subculture outside of the 'prime real estate'.

this is the plan:
i say dump the middle class too.
america should only allow rich people to be citizens.

except i guarantee whatever money you're making from doe boy t-shirts won't make you rich enough to matter either.

The Hound
07-28-2009, 11:13 AM
I wish this would happen here with housing commission - too many bludgers given free rides by the government and don't want to contribute shit to society but having their hand out for a free this and free that.

Fuck the poor, they get better breaks from the government than the working class do.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 11:26 AM
^^^wow, australia has redneck hicks! that is certainly an educated and well informed opinion you have sir.

The Hound
07-28-2009, 11:29 AM
We certainly do! They're called Queenslanders and lucky for me I live in NSW :)

kwabena1041
07-28-2009, 12:30 PM
man they been doing that shit up north for years, here in Chicago most of the projects are gone. In fact I bought a condo a block away from what used to be the biggest projects in the country. Gentrification!!

Olive Oil Goombah
07-28-2009, 04:57 PM
I dont see whats bad about it.

Neighborhoods change. There sare so many neighborhoods in Cleveland that have died from white flight. Slavic Village just to name one. There aint nuthin Slavic about it anymore.

All the old Italian neighborhoods save Little Italy are gone. They moved out and up.

The people that moved in and replaced them have not done anything with what they took over.

Your all acting like its whites moving in, but in the Hough neighborhood, which was were teh riots happened back in '67...they bulldozed all the shit and have rebuilt nicer homes and condos.
And black folks live there...so what the fuck in wrong with that???

I can see the complaints when it comes to places like Harlem, but is Harlem what it used to be back in the day??? It had its peak. Its up to the residents to keep it up.


Like this kwabena dude just said....he bought a condo there....so at one time you had a projects now you got condos. Which is better???

Anybody arguing for projects is retarded.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 05:11 PM
^^^no one's arguing for projects, lamont, but do you really think the expedient relocation poor people is really a local bureacracy's top priority? this is going to be an arduous and fucked up process for those people, i guarantee it.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-28-2009, 05:21 PM
yea i think its a very top priority because certain cities like Cleveland, Detroit St. Louis are losing their tax base or have pretty much lost it.....Clevelands pop. is half of what it was at its peak. Detroit is worse.

If you can get rid of projects and build nice neighborhoods, better schools and encourage more business to stay instead of leaving for the 'Burbs or other cities, than yes, I'd say thats in the best interest for everyone living in that city.

The process is already in effect and has been going on. Where have you been? Urban renewal is needed, but your not going to renew areas strictly for people without jobs. The key is to attract more people back...the ones that left.

With inner ring affordable suburbs decaying, not all working people will be able to afford to move to more affluent outer ring surburbs...So if there is newer housing in the more trendy areas, its an option instead of leaving altogether.

Not all of it is gentrification either.

Some older neighborhoods have been successfully renewed..

I dont see what your realy gripe is??

Is it poor people?? Do you think staying were they are is any different??

This should be a top priority..what the fuck, you cant have great schools next to ghetto's, it dont work that way. You can't have all the amenities without a solid tax base.
Rustbelt cities especially need to do this.

Uncle Steezo
07-28-2009, 05:32 PM
when i had a clothing store, it was smack dap between the projects and clark atl univ.
they gave the residents 5 months to move out without a relocation process. it was basically..."yall gotta get out."

it has nothing to do with poor people. it that the wealthy folks are tired of the commute and want to come back to the city. the opposite happened when thry wanted to be away from the city and pushed the poor into the inner city.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-28-2009, 05:37 PM
money dictates what happens.

when has it not??

Im not arguing that that is a fucked up process. You always here of residents fighting eminent domain and all that shit.


But seriously...what are a few dirty crumb left on the floor to the bread of progress...not much.

Someone is always expendible. Even if your from the projects, someone within the projects is expendible.

These are the cold hard facts.

I dont think its right, but you at least have to realize its pretty much a part of our nature.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 05:43 PM
if money dictates what happens, and these events occur at the will of the rich, and poor people are the ones who suffer---how is this not about poor people?

and the reasoning in the post above me is part of the reason why the elite has a stranglehold on our hearts and minds, and why freedom will not exist within 20 years.

because someone's always expendable
and some people are crumbs in the way of 'progress'
and it is a part of our nature

Olive Oil Goombah
07-28-2009, 05:50 PM
you throw fascism around alot, but what are you referring to???

Naziism? Italian Fascism? The Arrow Cross?

Fascism has, to this day, never been clearly defined. Historians still disagree about what it really is.


What democracy has not been in the business of getting rid of expendable parts???

In your opinion, where on this Earth is a free society?

The elite WILL ALWAYS dominate. Thats why they are the elite.

Yes, the Bolsheviks tried to change all that and what happened??? They formed their own fucking elite.

Mussolini began his career as a socialist.

Hitlers party started as a representation of the worker, of the ordinary German.

So I dont see how these so-called "fascists" and this term you love to generically throw around is any different from anything else.

They are both a part of the same hipocracy, dont you get it?

Every 'group' has interests. Every human being has interests.

The only way you can get everyone to think the same is mind control.

Some Brave New World aldous Huxley type shit.

Do you want that? Do you want to be told what to think?

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 05:57 PM
^^^here we go, you start building straw men and asking me questions that have absolutely nothing to do with what we were initially discussing, and also making wild assumptions and allegations...every conversation ends the same with you man...

when i use fascism i mean an authoritarian regime where the state and business have more rights and are given more importance than an individual human being, with aggressive nationalism, where any dissenting voices are suppressed in some form be it through censorship, ridicule, narrowing their avenues of expressions, or incarcertaion.

arguing for a status quo based on the fact that it's the status quo makes no sense...and accepting the negative excesses of human nature just leads to stagnation.

are you saying that the way things are is right because that's the way it is and has been? are you supporting the status quo because that's how it is? clarify this for me please.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-28-2009, 06:08 PM
im saying your making ridiculous and generic analogies.


What your trying to do right now stems from something personal you have against some of my more abrasive opinions. And thats why I'll always say your immature.

You brought 'fascism' into the discussion...but i digress before this gets anymore off topic because of your emotions.


I want basically what you want. A free democratic society, if that is indeed what you want.

But im not dumb enough to believe that a utopian society can exists in todays world. Evidence strongly suggest against this.

I am an idealistic realist.

The poor will never have a say as long as there are poor. Prove otherwise??? If they revolt and become the elite, than they cease to be poor and become the elite. Nothing changed but the roles of people.

There are certain laws to everything...and perhaps this is a law to civilization. Maybe the only 'free society' was when we were fucking hunter gatherers.


Im not supporting status quo or anything. Im just being realistic.

There may be a form a govt. or a party that can fix things, but do you really think people will no longer live in poverty???

and on a larger scale, are Americans not just a rich people eating until they are obese while some places starve??

We are all hipocrites.

You nor anyone is above it.

When we become perfect or robots programmed to be perfect, than i will be proven wrong.

I'm not saying imperfection is bad....im just saying, it is what we are.

This arguement has progressed in my opinion and gotten deeper. Dont run away from it now.

This is called 'building'...what people in KTL try to do.

So I'll ask again.....what is it exactly your for and against in terms of American government.

Because You still have not said it.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 06:18 PM
ah...more subtle digs where you insult me in a roundabout way yet accuse me of sensitivty and a lack of maturity...i love it.

anyway, i'm an anarcho-socialist so we're not for the same things at all lol...i think we need something entirely new in the realm of human history in terms of government and economy...the level of learning ,technology, information as well as the number of people has surpassed anything that has ever existed in our recorded history so a new paradigm is needed to handle it all.

i want the end of an economic system based on scarcity and the start of a resource based economy where everyone has oppurtunities, not a system where you have a cap on what you are capable of acheiving based on the circumstances of your birth.

obviously, transisitioning from the current system to what i'm proposing would be incredibly difficult...i think government as we know it in the US is to big to deal with the population, with areas of the country where customs and social mores are entirely different than others...if each state was to become a sovereign nation of its own and the federal government were done away with, i think this would help...so you would have the options of more diverse social systems to deal with. i'm sure i'll get shit for this model because it is different.

we want entirely different things, i assure you. i don't just embrace the status quo because it gives me electricity in my home, the ability to access the internet and money to spend.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-28-2009, 06:31 PM
ah...more subtle digs where you insult me in a roundabout way yet accuse me of sensitivty and a lack of maturity...i love it.

Stop dwelling on that shit.

anyway, i'm an anarcho-socialist so we're not for the same things at all lol...i think we need something entirely new in the realm of human history in terms of government and economy...the level of learning ,technology, information as well as the number of people has surpassed anything that has ever existed in our recorded history so a new paradigm is needed to handle it all.

i want the end of an economic system based on scarcity and the start of a resource based economy where everyone has oppurtunities, not a system where you have a cap on what you are capable of acheiving based on the circumstances of your birth.

noble, but this isn't entirely new. I understand where you are coming from, but anarchy has no place being hyphenated next to a form of govt. Anarchy is no strings attached.

Mussolini's early views were similar to this. The socialists of the turn of the century got alot of support from the workers, but very little from rural farmers. Why do you think that was??

Your idea's, while noble, are very utopian, and this is exactly what I have been talking about. Will this realistically be able to be applied?

The Soviet model does not give a favorable impression...and it was never totally communist in nature.



obviously, transisitioning from the current system to what i'm proposing would be incredibly difficult...i think government as we know it in the US is to big to deal with the population, with areas of the country where customs and social mores are entirely different than others...if each state was to become a sovereign nation of its own and the federal government were done away with, i think this would help...so you would have the options of more diverse social systems to deal with. i'm sure i'll get shit for this model because it is different.

Dayum, so your already there....LOL. I see what youre saying, and i think in the future the country will fragment, but you are waaaaaay ahead of yourself here.

Thats not a bad idea. U a rebel?? LOL. Well, unfortunately for you the civil war was lost. That was your best chance for a while.

It makes sense tho. it is much easier to govern a smaller populace....but you dont think that some rivalries might develope between some states and areas will be contested.


So basically it will become Europe??? Or similar to what europe is becoming.

It may happen, but I dont think it will be in our lifetime, much farther down the road, and i dont think that it would happen without much bloodshed.

Thats an opinion tho, and its based up human history.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 06:39 PM
^^^you're probably right...and no i don't sympathisize with the 'stars and bars assholes', i just think logically it would be more effective to turn the united states into what europe is right now

of course we're moving into the opposite direction. or at least attempting to...and i think that is what will cause the fragmentation...and probably america would become feudal states trying to conquer each other, with some people wanting to reunite everything into the a new United States but as a monarchy or something...other countries would feel confident in invading these micro state/nations...

this movie would be a hit, man!

honestly, i just think all the models have been failing so we need something new.

it was nice building with you here.

repped

Olive Oil Goombah
07-28-2009, 06:43 PM
The United States is much more stable than Europe.

Europe in a way is moving to become more like the US with the Euro and the Union. Truthfully.

What you want for the US seems to be the Old Europe were two of the most brutal wars in history were fought.

I gotta go tho. will add more later.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-28-2009, 06:48 PM
^^^well i would hope people would learn from history's mistakes but that's probably foolish. i'm just for economic and political decentralization because centralizing everything doesn't work...there are too many types of people with too many different views and agendas.

maybe nothing works?
we're doomed?
we're doomed.

Olive Oil Goombah
07-28-2009, 09:16 PM
were not doomed.

YOu have good ideas but i think they are a bit extreme.

snapple
07-29-2009, 12:02 AM
hmmm....interesting...