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corky831
08-06-2009, 02:16 AM
Is it bc the creativity has gone down?, the more use of computers?, clinton isnt in office gettin dome?, MC's aint as good?, the twin towers are gone now?, they aint gettin the money that they should be?, bc shit leaks on the internet now, causing ppl to download instead of buying albums?, bc producers aint competitive nemore?, producers dont do the drugs that they used 2?, Is it bc bevis and butthead aint on tv nemore?, Is it bc Mike tyson aint bitin ppl's ears off nemore?, Is it bc the Bulls are an average team now?, Is it bc the yanks havent won a world series since 2000?, Is it bc ppl don't wear baggy clothes nemore?, Is it bc ppl dont use pagers nemore?, LIKE WTF IS THE DEAL??????

Almost every beat from the 90s is just beautifully created, i mean even average mc's had some phat beats on their albums......i just dont get it

whitey
08-06-2009, 03:19 AM
good effing question.

i find it such a rarity these days to find a fluently produced consistent gem of an album.

claaa7
08-06-2009, 03:39 AM
it's the fear of samples.. listen to all that good early '90s shit, one fucking song could have like 8 samples from various records on it, this made it sound authentic while alot of beats today sounds cheap and plastic.

Lex Lugor
08-06-2009, 04:31 AM
alot of ninties classic track's beats are actually pretty lazily produced if you know what your listening for
there was alot of emphasis on basslines under very simplistic loops and sampled drums

nowadays people are fliiping samples in ways that premier wouldhave never dreamed of in the nineties probably cause of technology..

TGambino
08-06-2009, 05:38 AM
where tha fuck were u in the 90s dog? we already heard that shit.....and its already recorded, u can listen to it over n over again....

Ghost In The 'Lac
08-06-2009, 07:09 AM
I dont think creativity has decreased THAT much but alot of the subtlety has and things are over produced too much now to make up for the lack of all round rapping ability alot of modern rappers dont have. Which is because to make it as a rapper today requires alot of different things that it did 10/15 years ago.

Theres alot mroe competition now for a rapper, but the rapping style these days is alot more robotic and bland than it used to be (see drake), you dont have to stand out as much because you can let the beat or hook stand out for you. People have lost their attention spans drastically in the last decade so they dont wanna listen to a minute and a half long Andre3000 verse thats incredible, they want a 10 second hook that can be applied easily to a ringtone. So the beats tie in to that.

And yeah, sampling. But they said sampling was dead at the start of the 90's too because of the new laws.

The Prime Sithesizah
08-06-2009, 08:32 AM
Because most of the beats from the 90s were made with a sample whereas the creativity wasn't THERE like it is with the technology of today (and Im not referring to the garbage crisp shit that's being put out there). Sampling laws came into play. People felt like the producers were being lazy and unoriginal (which was true), just looping the shit out of the samples. On the other hand, today, some producers add on to those samples and know how to make those interesting parts of the loop no longer recognizable. Others of today just do it for the money, poverty sounding instruments and annoying ass upbeat bpm patterns. Its all in who you listen to, check out for and wanna hear. However though lol The Writer Meets The Director LP (http://www.sendspace.com/file/inasdw) and Monologues and Scripts (http://www.sendspace.com/file/bi217n) may be EXACTLY what you want..

Ghost In The 'Lac
08-06-2009, 08:55 AM
Beatmaking is a completely different culture now though. Now people call you lazy for looping shit, thats because people arent cratediggers anymore. That was part of the whole thing, finding the records. It took alot more time, effort, knowledge and vinyl resources to come up with a fresh beat. Nowadayz no ones doing that or understands what making a beat was about. It was about hearing the sample thru research.

And you could yourself trawl thru the same vinyls RZA and Preem were using in the 90s before they did and I bet you wont of noticed the same shit or made beats as good.

The skills needed have changed. Before you just needed a good ear for music, which is why 99% of 90s beatmakers all started out as DJs (inc preem, rza, pete rock, dilla)

deeznutz1981
08-06-2009, 09:46 AM
sampling plays a big part but its like the drums dont even sound the same anymore and theres way way less boom bap style beats. what happened to the swing on peoples drums? the old ghost kick before the loud one? i hear what your saying and thankfully we still got guys like premier around who keep that sound alive. damn i miss the 90's!!!!

corky831
08-06-2009, 10:43 AM
Ya I was just listening to Heist of the Century and was just like wtf man......i havent heard one beat recently as good as ne on this album....and I realized its not just LA's album, but most albums from the 90s that have that rich, beautiful sound, I understand it all had to do with sampling, but stil like ghostlaced said, its all about finding the right track 2 sample, and how to sample it........shit has just been so bland lately

corky831
08-06-2009, 10:47 AM
maybe its just bc i loved hardcore hip hop....and gangsta rap......where nowadays u never see a full album with ghetto tales and those grimey ass beats......too much commercial shit ruining albums

corky831
08-06-2009, 10:50 AM
like beats from the 90s just gave u certain feeling.....idk like the song soul in the hole........like beats were just a lot more powerful back then.......

Ghost In The 'Lac
08-06-2009, 11:02 AM
^nice triple threat

but yeah shit just aint as hard as it used to be

claaa7
08-06-2009, 11:37 AM
y'all realize that most of those crispy drums were actually sampled?? ..and fuck calling sampling lazy, it ain't all about looping shit - some tracks have the drums from one song, or even two different drum sections from two different joints, coupld with horns from one, bassline from two other joints, vocal sample from another, etc.. and all this ahd to be in key with eachother - now that's ALOT fucking harder than do some shitty casio beat.

snapple
08-06-2009, 11:44 AM
cause it's 2009..OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

deeznutz1981
08-06-2009, 12:41 PM
and a lot of that feel/warmth that 90's hip hop had was because stuff was still analog. with everything going digital it sucks all the life out of it.

FlamingSwordz
08-06-2009, 02:44 PM
Most rappers sound shitty on "new-age" beats, one reason why most of my shit is from 1887-2001, thats a lot of music, but beyond that, I really can't get into much shit these days. Funkdoobiest sort of took it back with the Golden B-Boys album (2009).

A lot of albums had some kind of atmosphere to them, like Temples of Boom I'll name: the album art, the booklet, to the music itself all went so well together. I still get that same feeling today. Another example was East 1999 from Bone Thugs, I mean god damn.... We will never hear albums like these again, kind of like we will never have classic sounding albums like Pink Foyd, Led Zepplin, or even Moody Blues.

DR. NICK RIVIERA
08-06-2009, 03:21 PM
OMG, u can still listen to nice (hard) beats....it evolved...

I think Insight & Edan make better beats than some 'legendary' producers...

The Prime Sithesizah
08-06-2009, 03:31 PM
Exactly.. using a live instrument and sampling make no difference to me, you're STILL using something of someone's creation.

king zigg zag
08-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Because somewhere between 1998 and the present day, boom bap hip-hop almost completely fell off the face of the earth, when no producer who originated it cared to continue evolving it. If you really want to hear that sound, looking to producers like The RZA, DJ Premier, Havoc, Pete Rock or Large Professor to deliver it in this age, is wishful thinking. The place to look is there protoges, and other new artists, inspired by the pioneers of the east coast renaissance.. ie. Damu The Fudgemunk, Kev Brown, Oddissee, 9th Wonder, or even Statik Selektah.. these artists (while not all are from the same places, are the ones who took boom bap and modernized it)

The issues with clearing samples and all that are problems, but another thing is few really make solid beats anymore.. they'll have a tight sample but they don't EQ the shit in any way interesting to the ear.. the drums will be too weak.. the bass isn't grimy enough.. or they didn't flip it enough for other parts of the song.. a lot of today's producers don't go in-depth to really put detail into there work... Also, 90s hip-hop was pretty much driven by lo-end, and today it's more about vibrant high-end sounds.. which is what you don't really get from sampled 90s beats.

Take a lot of records.. take Dis Is 4 All My Smokers off the new Blackout 2.. they had the most sinister sample, with the most chilling atmosphere behind it.. thinking about what Erick Sermon or virtually any producer would havve done with it 13-15 years ago, you know it would have been a better track. Not that it was bad.. it's one of my favorites off that tape, but I was left looking for more.. the drums could have hit harder, and the whole thing could have been more cohesive.. instead the beat sounded too simple, and it was less cinematic than it could have been...

The biggest problem though is the big gap between the late nineties and early 2000's, where east coast hip-hop turned into a big question mark. People no longer knew what the defining sound of the coast was.. this is the same problem for westcoast hip-hop and g-funk. Instead of the west and east coast having unique sounds, that define a west or eastcoast album, all you have to do is be a rapper from the area, and rap on anything you want. Half the time I'm listening to albums from these artists I'm pissed off to hear they adopted southern production styles, but they go around saying "We're bringing the boom bap back"..

Ghost In The 'Lac
08-06-2009, 04:02 PM
new stuff i like too, Neptunes are crazy, Swizz can do it. Just look at the first clipse album, shit was hard.

kingwu
08-08-2009, 10:53 PM
differant era of hip hop

drippie k
08-09-2009, 04:33 AM
cuz the 90's was about being dark, gritty and in the fucking streets

now its about wearing big ugly glasses w/o prescription, tight jeans, small retro t-shirts

Poison Flowerz!
08-09-2009, 04:59 AM
Maybe youll like what i got to offer check the myspace!

http://myspace.com/poisonflowerz

^^^

Boss_Digger
08-09-2009, 09:01 AM
IMO the problem is the internet!!! There are plenty of dope producers out there but because everyone relys so much on the internet to get discovered there burried with in a sea of wack and sub par producers and everyone just tars "MYSPACE" producers with the same brush so they dont get discovered!!!

heres just a Handful of producers that post at this site that use an SP which is an anolouge sampler that are worth checking out:

http://www.myspace.com/complexrealmz08
http://www.myspace.com/varan045
http://www.myspace.com/12welve
Lord Beatjitsu: http://www.zshare.net/download/61683206b651922f/

Poison Flowerz!
08-09-2009, 09:08 AM
Word peace to 7th u hit the mark sun! The machine we usee aint easy to make these beats at all its old machine! I know a few ill producers on here with the mpc tho (m.o.d., prime [or fl??]) tho!

Boss_Digger
08-09-2009, 09:37 AM
yeah I forgot about MOD on the MPC!! also on the old machines like the sp1200 memory for samps was limited, cats had to speed up the drums and then pitch em down to save space so they really did have to be creative and think of ingenious ways to get the sound they wanted, these days theres no limitions so peeps is lazy and uncreative incomparrison to the old school cos they dont have to be!!

Tracks
08-09-2009, 11:48 PM
i think i got what you need to hear

http://sendspace.com/mysendspace/files.html

and its free, you just have to know where to look.

corky831
08-10-2009, 12:07 AM
cuz the 90's was about being dark, gritty and in the fucking streets

now its about wearing big ugly glasses w/o prescription, tight jeans, small retro t-shirts


c/s

dansx-flex
08-10-2009, 12:55 PM
things move on, always have always will. you never know the 2010's might see some ill new shit

YungSunny
08-10-2009, 01:07 PM
I bet a lot of people were whining about the 90's hip hop and wanting it go back to the 80's.

12weLvE
08-10-2009, 04:21 PM
IMO the problem is the internet!!! There are plenty of dope producers out there but because everyone relys so much on the internet to get discovered there burried with in a sea of wack and sub par producers and everyone just tars "MYSPACE" producers with the same brush so they dont get discovered!!!

heres just a Handful of producers that post at this site that use an SP which is an anolouge sampler that are worth checking out:

http://www.myspace.com/complexrealmz08
http://www.myspace.com/varan045
http://www.myspace.com/12welve
Lord Beatjitsu: http://www.zshare.net/download/61683206b651922f/


Word up!!! Thanks for the love yo. Yeah there are some real dope beat makers on this board. including you!!! ha ha!! Cats aint ready 7th!!

http://www.myspace.com/7thgrandmantis (http://www.myspace.com/7thgrandmantis)