View Full Version : Vast Aire- Battle of the Planets [scream phoenix 2009] (cage diss)

08-08-2009, 06:45 PM
well, cage started it with his former weathermen member vast aire. and now vast has decided to address agent orange's remarks.

check it out.


i'd rather see vast in the weathermen, personally. if cage is gonna come back, he needs to get in touch with his hip hop roots.

Lex Lugor
08-08-2009, 07:20 PM
i aint wit it

08-08-2009, 07:40 PM
Vast Aire >>> emo

08-08-2009, 08:21 PM
U-God? eloels

08-08-2009, 08:31 PM

08-09-2009, 07:16 AM
beat go hard as fuck

08-09-2009, 08:10 AM
Nothing left to say was a diss for Vast Aire..this is the thing Cage was afraid of actually, cuz Vast Aire is as hiphop as hiphop can get

08-09-2009, 04:48 PM
song is FLAMES! I hope this might give us back the REAL Agent Orange..

08-10-2009, 02:40 PM

lot of things explained by Vast himself..

08-10-2009, 04:26 PM
ok, that little blog is what loses me. vast can talk all the shit he wants to about el-p, but the real deal truth of the matter is that el was the star of "the cold vein". kinda like rza on albums such as cuban linx or liquid swords. without those beats the album would not be what it is.
vast seems like hes catching bitch feelings about the whole thing. and honestly, has vast put out anything as good as "fantastic damage" or "i'll sleep when your dead" since the can ox record? hell to the no he hasnt. "look mom no hands" is a good record, but nowhere near as good as "the cold vein".
what really sucks is that none of these niggas make that much money,even though they're all dope mcs. they should just iron this shit out and work together rather then act like little bitches about shit.

Lex Lugor
08-10-2009, 04:41 PM
hmmm interesting read
he just said they were getting yougawwded
i believe vast though everybody left def jux, not for no reason

Ghost In The 'Lac
08-10-2009, 04:50 PM

lot of things explained by Vast himself..


thanks for posting that, clears ALOT of unanswered questions

08-11-2009, 08:41 AM
El-P's response

Monday, August 10, 2009

i have never wanted to participate in any sort of public ugliness with people i once considered friends. its negative and builds nothing. its only purpose is to hurt. its a shallow action. a desperate attempt to satisfy the ugliest parts of your ego. there is no example of me disparaging, insulting, blaming, defaming or casting doubt on anyones character who i've had any type of real love for and considered crew at one point no matter how things may have turned out... no matter what they may say about me or what i may think about them behind the scenes. for me, i always thought it made one look small and angry. i always felt like that type of public ranting and vitriol reflected failure, weakness, insecurity and pettiness and i've seriously regretted it when i've been involved in anything that resembles that, even peripherally. as good as it feels in the moment it almost always backfires. the same person who (non artistically) desperately seeks public affirmation of his anger and resentment ends up actually hurting himself more in the eyes of the strangers he's trying to communicate with. by the same token, defending yourself against that type of attack plays right in to the whole thing and immediately puts you on the same level as the person attacking you. beyond that the fact is that for me, the relationships that i've had in my life that have fallen apart make me sad, not angry. the friendships that have ended in my life are a source of huge regret for me and i constantly wonder if there was something i could have done to change the outcome. so i don't have it in me to kick and scream and curse the world for not handing me everything i think i deserve. i'll do that in my music, if need be. its better that way. that much i have learned.

I'm also not the type of person who feels like he's a victim of circumstance. every choice made along the line has different results. it seems irrational and immature to me to create a world in ones head in which somehow, magically, there is an external reason that justifies every single reality of your life... and not one of those reasons is you. a world in which you are just in every action and innocent in every interaction. a life in which you only consider and retain the ideas that justify your perspective and completely ignore all other realities that exist and might, if you took a moment to consider them, make any (rational) person think a little longer before they lashed out and tried to destroy some one else's character.

it takes a special type of ego to literally delude oneself in to thinking that you have the moral right of way in every scenario. it takes clinical insanity to think things are one way when in fact they are the opposite. for instance:

lets say (as a metaphor, of course) someone was morbidly obese but thought he was a ninja. that would be kind of crazy, wouldn't it? or if that morbidly obese person didn't make the connection between his eating habits and his weight. crazy. now if that same massively, morbidly obese person walked around calling people who were less than half his weight "fat", how should they react? on the one hand its obviously crazy for this hugely fat man to be calling you fat. but on the other hand he keeps fucking saying it. over and over. to anyone who will listen.

i've tried to ignore it. i've tried to squash it. i've tried to take the high road because i assumed that like me, everyone must have better things to occupy their time with. apparently not. every other day there is a new vitriolic rant aimed at dismantling me or someone i care about, despite the fact that i haven't fired one single shot in the direction they are coming from. not one.

now i don't have any interest in trying to make anyone see things the way i see them or arguing about/defending the past. i wont do the back and forth point by point defense with someone whos only path to generate any type of publicity for himself seems to be exactly that type of public argument. a person who literally is interviewing himself in order to push a smear campaign forward. a man who has made it his personal mission in life to focus all his energy on the very people who were close to the friend he claims to have loved with a constant barrage of misspelled and badly punctuated lies, insults, accusations, epithets, slander and threats. someone who seemingly has no humility or perspective on his own fallibility. someone whos anger has driven him to the edge of sanity. whos own life is seemingly so joyless and directionless that the only thing he can think to do is reach out and try and inflict pain.

and by the way, when i say "close to the friend he claims to have loved" i mean close. I'm talking that our lives will never be the same close. the real deal. the kind that comes with pain no one wants and that no one with a soul would brag about as though it were a credibility issue or as though love were something you had to prove as opposed to just feel. not the idea constructed to make you feel good about yourself or justify your perspective in the eyes of other people or yourself. friendship isn't the collective little favors you've done for someone that you keep record of and hold against them even after they die. its not a song you may have recorded with someone years ago and its not a conversation you may have had. its bigger than that.

its sad to me that you, and you know who you are, don't understand that. its painful to sit here and take your abuse knowing the true nature of your character and how utterly easy it would be to expose it. the temptation to publish certain correspondences you've been a part of is overwhelming. i have no doubt in my mind that any one who would see those would walk away from reading them with a very different perspective on your moral fiber and your character in general. a younger me would do it in a heartbeat. and yet what good would come out of it? what are we all trying to prove to each other? it would only lead to even more ranting, more insults and more bullshit. no one would learn a thing and i would have wasted another minute of my life.

and i don't hate you. i don't want to hurt or destroy you. you were my friend. i wanted you to succeed. now i just find you to be a sad character. twisted, angry and resentful and squandering your time on mean spirited pursuits. its depressing.

now i'm sure the person i'm writing this all about will just respond in his usual manner after reading this. denial, anger, threats, capital letters, misused question marks and exclamation points and more accusations. but i've got a suggestion for a better way to proceed... just let it go. you've gotten your rocks off. you've said your peace. now make some music. stop lecturing the world and contribute while you still have time. none of this shit means anything. at all. go make the art you believe in and spend not one more second trying to take other people down or blaming people for the place you find yourself in life. spend time with and cherish the people you love while they are still alive so you dont find yourself feeling like you have to defend the validity of your commitment to them after they're gone. be grateful for the things you have and wish no man harm. be happy or die trying. i know i will.

by the way if you truly did love Camu and were close to him then I'm sure you feel the same pain my friends and i do. if that really is the case then I'm sure the futility of arguing and fighting with people has never been more obvious to you. it is to me.

if you loved him then you are one of us... the heartbroken members of a club we never wanted to join... and I'm sorry for your loss.


ps: im not going to be approving comments about this blog. i didn't write it to rally people against anyone or to create "sides".

pps: this is the only thing i have to say and i wont engage in any more and i wont be leaving this blog up for long.

08-11-2009, 02:17 PM
now, i know thats waaaaaay too long for most people to read, but it just makes me think one thing.


Ghost In The 'Lac
08-11-2009, 02:40 PM
I read it, hes just taking the high ground.

He couldve just said "im taking the high ground", and been done with it.

that was a lot to read for no real point.

08-11-2009, 02:51 PM
^ kinda true. but i guess he really wanted to let folks know his side of things. i respect it.

08-11-2009, 03:48 PM
Vast Aire can be a little bitchy, but let's not forget that El-P isn't a saint either.

[El-P 'kills' a girl on his last album, and he gets pissed for talking about smacking girls?]

08-12-2009, 04:54 AM
that was a lot to read for no real point.


08-12-2009, 08:20 AM
El-P thinks he's better than everyone. Vast's blog comments about El-P telling him how many "niggas" he can have in a song, and Vast also rants something about "if I don't like your beat I don't like it", this dude El-P probably puts every beat he makes in a gold frame and considers it untouchable. He doesn't seem like the kind of dude that takes criticism, constructive included, from others because he thinks what he's doing is so beyond and above everybody else. I can just see him throwing a little hissy fit about someone not liking his beat because it's too good for them to handle and they just don't understand.

Of course that huge El-P blog will prevent anything from happening, again he thinks he's so far above everyone else (and not like other rappers do) that he can just try and son Vast Aire and spread all of his great knowledge about life and conflict to the world.

Whatever, I guess Rae/Budden is more for me.

As far as Cage is concerned, unless he gets dusted a few times before any sort of response you might as well consider this the end of whatever beef it could've been, unless we get a song about Vast fitting in the slits of his wrists or something.

08-12-2009, 08:59 AM
cage is a homo but vast aire is a fat homo with a speech impediment!!!

at least cage got his little queer emo following in place, vast aire aint getting followed by anything other than gastric farts!!!!

career finished!!! why he spending time dissing ppl isntead of making a real project?!?

Ghost In The 'Lac
08-12-2009, 05:16 PM
I can see what Vast is saying and everything, but the point is, deciding to split off from El p and break up a winning formula in the long run has clearly been a career killah for him.

Now hes a nobody struggling artist, that probably has very few years left of selling records. If hed stuck with El P, something couldve grown.

idk about that El p thing saying "too many niggaz" but thats onl one half of the story, it might not of gone down like that in reality and as El P has decided hes not gonna defend himself, Vast is just taking more wrong turns.

As a big fan of Can O, this whole thing in my eyes is very fucking sad to see. More talented dudes just self imploding as soon as money appears in their lives.

08-12-2009, 06:39 PM
As a big fan of Can O, this whole thing in my eyes is very fucking sad to see. More talented dudes just self imploding as soon as money appears in their lives.


it hurts knowing that there will never be another cold vein all because of this bullshit that nobody cares about.

el-p is still making music. vast is just destroying himself in all of this. just let it go and make some music

whats vordul's stance in all of this? i know he still fucks with vast, had him in his megagraphitti video and everything

08-12-2009, 09:47 PM
i think we're all in agreement that they should just drop this shit and rock together.
el-p had a beat on vordul's last album. so, who knows.