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Uncle Steezo
08-11-2009, 06:23 AM
this is the 1st of a series of threads thats gonna force cats to back up what they say here.

not just with your opinion. post proof

if you feel someone is wrong, post a proof that will prove them wrong.



its all about showing and proving.
any post that is missing proof will be considered bullshit. and if dusk gets the urge, i encourage him to delete it.


get it?


this is thread is about lyricism.
not charisma
not sales
not sex appeal(wera)

lyricism






just to get you foaming at the mouth....


heltah skeltah's "nocturnal" was lyrically iller than "36chambers"
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DR. NICK RIVIERA
08-11-2009, 11:12 AM
^^^^^^agreed

Pharoahe Monch was always iller lyrically than Nas.

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TAURO
08-11-2009, 11:26 AM
this is the 1st of a series of threads thats gonna force cats to back up what they say here.

not just with your opinion. post proof

if you feel someone is wrong, post a proof that will prove them wrong.



its all about showing and proving.
any post that is missing proof will be considered bullshit. and if dusk gets the urge, i encourage him to delete it.


get it?


this is thread is about lyricism.
not charisma
not sales
not sex appeal(wera)

lyricism






just to get you foaming at the mouth....


heltah skeltah's "nocturnal" was lyrically iller than "36chambers"
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How is posting up you tube vids "showing & Proving?"

I could just as easily post vids from 36 chambers and claim it to be iller than Nocturnal and we would be right back to where we started. It's doesn't matter what you say and do, bottom line it all comes down to opinion.

Uncle Steezo
08-11-2009, 12:54 PM
no. you are wrong.

its about being able to provide a reason for saying what you say.
which seems to be a problem here. people just saying shit. if you think 36 is more lyrical... WHY do you feel that way? SHOW me why you feel that way PROVE that you aren't just ridin gza dick or hatin on heltah skeltah.


and by not posting a vid you again let your OPINION of what would happen speak for you instead of PROVING me wrong and posting a vid.



please delete your post, as it bullshit.




nas vs monch...
monch's delivery most definitely is iller than nas.
but monch can't paint a picture as vividly as nas can. to me this is a big part of lyricism.
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also as monch got older, his rhymes his rhymes lost depth.
just the opposite with nas.
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but tbh this one song shits on all 3 of the songs you posted
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DR. NICK RIVIERA
08-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Pharoahe has quality control over his shit, and he can paint pictures too...remember the song where they kill the mayor and hide?

YungSunny
08-11-2009, 04:54 PM
^Also invetro.
I love both monch and nas so I'm not gonna get in this discussion.

And lol @ james crow stating an opinion and just posting videos.....like youtube makes everything you say a fact.

The Hound
08-11-2009, 04:58 PM
You are too young and too stupid to understand the concept, GTFO.

no. you are wrong.

its about being able to provide a reason for saying what you say.
which seems to be a problem here. people just saying shit. if you think 36 is more lyrical... WHY do you feel that way? SHOW me why you feel that way PROVE that you aren't just ridin gza dick or hatin on heltah skeltah.


and by not posting a vid you again let your OPINION of what would happen speak for you instead of PROVING me wrong and posting a vid.

Uncle Steezo
08-11-2009, 05:26 PM
some people understand the concept of debate and discussion.

of course its all about opinion. but if theres no need to discuss it, then why not just make the hip hop shop a thread full of polls so you can make your opinion known and keep it movin?

GhettoGnom
08-11-2009, 05:32 PM
nas vs monch...
monch's delivery most definitely is iller than nas.
but monch can't paint a picture as vividly as nas can. to me this is a big part of lyricism.

also as monch got older, his rhymes his rhymes lost depth.
just the opposite with nas.

Unfortunately Trilogy isn't on youtube, but that track alone proves both of your points wrong.. Not to mention it's better than anything Nas has put out since I don't even know how long.

And really.. His rhymes lost depth? Are we talking about the same guy?
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Nas tries too hard to be smart, he's not really smart...





No rapper is better at combining intricate rhyme schemes & technical advanced lyrics with personal content & a variety of topics than Tonedeff

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So radiant, vibrant
Hazel tint in her eyes and the way that her skin shines is
Like a phoenix rising, even I could be surprised if we entwine
I feel the climate reach its highest peeks when she’s besides me
But we got deeper ties than physical needs, desires
Typically we aspire to dream and climb the steepest heights that we can find
And better, redefine the cheapened lives we seek and find
And there’s a reason to bind together
Though sometimes I tell some teeny lies to feed her pride and sleep between her thighs
My peace of mind is reached if I can keep a smile on
If the seas are wild then she’s an island
Complete with whitened beach to greet the tide in
Or retreat to hiding where you can flea to dryness
A peaceful night beneath the sky so we can speak in private
On the water for an easy ride
Nobody’s speaking either
She reminds me of you in some ways
It’s like they redesigned her
Flinging rocks off the eastern side to watch ‘em sink in silence
I take a knee for Her Highness
Her mere presence a gift to me
I kiss a ring of diamonds
Take pride in the queen my bride is
Her Amphitrite to my King Poseidon
And she’s decided in her sneaky slyness she’d conceive a titan
I’m uneasy, I can feel the heightened fear inside
As tears arrive, her fingers guide me to this breathing child that’s lying beneath her nighty
She don’t have the slightest idea what tonight is
I hear the singing sirens
I bid her adieu as she and I collide as my..

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Uncle Steezo
08-11-2009, 05:41 PM
repped.
see how much stronger gnom's argument became?
i can't say shit to that and it cut out all the back and forth "dickride vs hater" bickering.

to be honest i agree with you. i like a lot nas but many cats got him beat. but for the sake of demonstration i went with it.


anybody lyrically iller?

GhettoGnom
08-11-2009, 06:01 PM
Word, I like this thread :)

Laws - Your Future Favorite Rapper is easily the most unfairly overlooked release this year. The production is greatness throughout the entire project, and Laws comes correct. It's refreshing to hear an honest rapper that actually talks about something. Of all these newcomers, a guy like Laws gets totally ignored :S Lyrically, his potential is greater than all of them except maybe J. Cole, imho.

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"These kids learning the Soulja Boy before their times tables"
"These pussy ass rappers gave my son a hundred fears
He fear the white man, y'all told him whitey running shit
He fear the black man, y'all told him brothers dumping clips
He fear the woman, y'all told him that a cunt is sick
He's fearing everything to come out of your fucking lips"

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(pm me if you're interesting in the entire mixtape)

spiggity_ace
08-11-2009, 06:44 PM
holy shit yo that tonedeff track was hot, the firt one u posted, i been sleepin on this dude can u reccomend an album or mixtape or something?

GhettoGnom
08-11-2009, 07:09 PM
holy shit yo that tonedeff track was hot, the firt one u posted, i been sleepin on this dude can u reccomend an album or mixtape or something?

The first one is the first single from his upcoming album with Kno (CunninLynguists), definitively check that out whenever it comes out.

I would start with Tonedeff - Archetype and Extended Famm (Tone, Session, PackFM & Substantial) - Happy Fuck You Songs. Dude is diverse as hell, and happy fuck you songs is also a nice introduction to Qn5, Tone's (it's actually his, he runs it and started it with his own money while keeping his full-time job) label.

oDoUoSoKo
08-11-2009, 07:50 PM
dude, the problem is not people lacking proof...its people not finding....it ALL comes down to opinion...no matter what "proof" you show.

EDIT: y the fuck would i delete a post, if im not the mod here.

spiggity_ace
08-11-2009, 07:56 PM
The first one is the first single from his upcoming album with Kno (CunninLynguists), definitively check that out whenever it comes out.

I would start with Tonedeff - Archetype and Extended Famm (Tone, Session, PackFM & Substantial) - Happy Fuck You Songs. Dude is diverse as hell, and happy fuck you songs is also a nice introduction to Qn5, Tone's (it's actually his, he runs it and started it with his own money while keeping his full-time job) label.

aite ima chek it, thx for the heads up/

DR. NICK RIVIERA
08-12-2009, 02:21 AM
yea Tonedeff has also everything an MC should need...his freestyles are immaculate

drippie k
08-12-2009, 09:19 AM
one of the reasons why andre 3000 should be on everyone's top 5

the events that followed had volley if your homtown would be
heaven or hell - the angelic nastiness you possessed
made you by far the best therefore hard to tell
you drop my off by the dungeon
never went in i know that you were wonderin
now are these niggas in this house up to somethin
sellin crack sack by sack so they could function?
w-w-w-well yes and no
yes we were sellin it, but no it wasn't blow
cook it in the basement then move it a show
grab the microphone now everybody yell "HOOOO"

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DR. NICK RIVIERA
08-12-2009, 03:33 PM
^^^^^well, that's not true. altho I love his music, some people think he's too soft [clearly never listened to Stankonia] and that's why they won't include him in his top5.

I think he is great and also I can relate more to him than 2Pac. Also he is a better rapper/musician than Pac for me, so it's a definite Andre > 2Pac here. Everybody are using the excuse 2Pac's greatness is the ability to relate to his words, so I'm I could throw a lot of rappers that I can relate far far more. Slug, Blu, Kaze, ...


Also, is Raekwon a great rapper or not? If he is, are you all somehow related to coke or are you going to give up the silly comment about relatibility?

YungSunny
08-12-2009, 05:09 PM
I relate to 10% of tupac's lyrics lol, but he has mad charisma and sincerity in his words. I can't say he's better than andre or vice versa. cause this is blatantly another question based on perception.

Tracks
08-13-2009, 10:25 PM
Natural Elements



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um8NrB9idy8&feature=related

nuff said

The Hound
08-13-2009, 11:18 PM
The D.O.C. - mad underrated.

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High energy flowin' with the wisdom
Sense of a rich man, knowledge and the rhythm
This is what I'm using to come up with a style
So I'll interact altogether better with the crowd
Nervous for a second then the record starts spinnin'
And I fall into the state of mind of what I'd just created
Pump it like the Dr. D into the R.E. suckers ready to leap
Up on the tip when we made it
Creative so I'll never be regarded as a regular
More than just a little bit better than my competitor
You should never underestimate the fashion
I hold for the stage whether I'm coolin' or thrashin''
Clockin' the concoction created by me
When read you read E = the D.O. to the C.
Knowledge and the talent that my mother had born to her
Equals an artist that wont' be worn, what is that Dre?
It's the formula

It's like a message that only I could understand
But those who want to comprehend will again
Be in the midst of the brother
Unlike another in any way
'Cause Dre don't play, say what the other say
Originality is a must whenever I bust
A funky composition, it's crush and I trust that you
Know it when you hear a funky record with potential
Me gettin' hype 'cause Dre rockin' the instrumental
Nothing like what you've heard before and more, never less
See I don't Fess, I mean I'm like fresh if not the freshest
When I'm expressin' my thoughts on
Vinyl, you can't help but listen up and get caught on
Hooked because I cook when I pick up a pen
And begin, in the end it's dope, that's 'cause I want to win
Knowledge and the talent that my mother had born to her
Equals the DOC, what is it Dre?
Yo, that's the formula

Keepin' it dope as long as I can like imagine
Makin' each record that I do better than the last one
Take a little time, choose the topic and drop it
Release it, the science of makin' dope beats with
Rhythmic American poetry
Shipped it to stations, now many people know of me
I'm the D. into the O. and the O. into the C. and the C. into the period
Suckers are fearing' this
When heard, the dope style calculated by the great wait
And take just a second to get caught up in my record
new but not a kid to be worn
If something' gettin' torn up then I'm doin' the
Tearin', not bein' torn
Shapin up to be one for the top vocalist lyricist
And when you hear of this
You shouldn't choke on this
Knowledge and the talent makes it valid
For me to get it patented
Dre, tellin' what I'm rappin'
The formula

In effect and I'm smooth, that's why I'm on the incline
Suckers frontin' for nothin' 'cause I'm goin' to get mine
It's in the cards and I thank I might have read this
so dont' lie and try to front like someone said this
Most who know thoughts served by the DOC see
That it's a mission impossible, tryin' to rock me
For an arena who'd ask me to perform for her
G.O. and easily I flow and ya know usin' the formula
Show and prove from the other thread that 2Pac's lyrics aren't getting the credit they deserve on this site;

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You know they got me trapped in this prison of seclusion
Happiness, living on the streets is a delusion
Even a smooth criminal one day must get caught
Shot up or shot down with the bullet that he bought
Nine millimeter kickin' thinking about what the streets do to me
Cause they never talk peace in the black community
All we know is violence, do the job in silence
Walk the city streets like a rat pack of tyrants
Too many brothers daily heading for the big penn
Niggas commin' out worse offthan when they went in
Over the years I done alot of growin' up
Getten drunk thrown' up
Cuffed up
Then I said I had enough
There must be another route, way out
To money and fame, I changed my name
And played a different game
Tired of being trapped in this vicious cycle
If one more cop harrasses me I just might go psycho
And when I get 'em, I'll hit 'em with the bum rush
Only a lunatic would like to see his skull crushed
Yo, if your smart you'll really let me go 'G'
But keep me cooped up in this ghetto and catch the uzi
They got me trapped....

Chorus

[Uh uh, they can't keep the black man down]
They got me trapped
[Naw, they can't keep the black man down]
Trapped
[Uh uh, they can't keep the black man down]
Trapped
[Naw, they can't keep the black man down]

They got me trapped
Can barely walk the city streets
Without a cop harrassing me, searching me
Then asking my identity
Hands up, throw me up against the wall
Didn't do a thing at all
I'm tellen you one day these suckers gotta fall
Cuffed up throw me on the concrete
Coppers try to kill me
But they didn't know this was the wrong street
Bang bang, count another casualty
But it's a cop whose shop is brutality
Who do you blame? It's a shame because the man's slain
He got caught in the chains of his own game
How can I feel guilty after all the things they did to me
Sweated me, hunted me
Trapped in my own community
One day I'm gonna bust
Blow up on this society
Why did ya lie to me?
I couldn't find a trace of equality
Work me like a slave while they laid back
Homie don't play that
It's time I let 'em suffer the payback
I'm tryin to avoid physical contact
I can't hold back, it's time to attack jack
They got me trapped

Chorus

[Uh uh, they can't keep the black man down]
You know they got me trapped
[Naw, they can't keep the black man down]
Trapped
[uh uh, they can't keep the black man down]
You know they got me trapped
[Naw, they can't keep the black man down]

Now I'm trapped and want to find a getaway
All I need is a 'G' and somewhere safe to stay
Can't use the phone
Cause I'm sure someone is tappin in
Did it before
Ain't scared to use my gat again
I look back at hindsite the fight was irrelevant
But now he's the devils friend
Too late to be tellin' him
He shot first and i'll be damned if I run away
Homie is done away I should of put my gun away
I wasn't thinkin' all I heard was the ridicule
Girlies was laughin', Tup sayin "Damn homies is dissin you"
I fired my weapon
Started steppin' in the hurricane
I got shot so I dropped
Feelin' a burst of pain
Got to my feet
Couldn't see nothin' but bloody blood
Now I'm a fugitive to be hunted like a murderer
Ran through an alley
Still lookin' for my getaway
Coppers said Freeze, or you'll be dead today
Trapped in a corner
Dark and I couldn't see the light
Thoughts in my mind was the nine and a better life
What do I do? Live my life in a prison cell
I'd rather die than be trapped in a living hell
They got me trapped

Chorus

[Uh uh, they can't keep the black man down]
They got me trapped
[Naw, they can't keep the black man down]
Trapped
[uh uh, they can't keep the black man down]
You know they got me trapped
[Naw, they can't keep the black man down]
Trapped

spiggity_ace
08-14-2009, 01:10 AM
i forgot who sed this, it mite have been someone on this forum but maybe not they sed that they hold doc and rakim to the same level of lyricism, its a shame his vocal chords were severd his first album is a classic

DR. NICK RIVIERA
08-14-2009, 01:55 AM
DOC was responsible for a lot of ghostwriting afterwards [Dr. Dre, Snoop,

The dude deserves recognision.

TGambino
08-14-2009, 04:09 AM
heltah skeltah's "nocturnal" was lyrically iller than "36chambers"

http://fast1.onesite.com/community.allhiphop.com/user/rza_lost/6b34e208b43240dd4f60e6b4f30b2a20.png?v=170884

spiggity_ace
08-14-2009, 04:19 AM
DOC was responsible for a lot of ghostwriting afterwards [Dr. Dre, Snoop,

The dude deserves recognision.

yea for sure