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TAURO
08-21-2009, 10:43 AM
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I know that you can't really judge the film just by watching this trailer since none of us have 3D capabilities on our computers so essentially we are seeing it slightly out of context, but from what I can tell from this trailer, it looks more like a computer game more than anything else.

What do you guys think?

the scarecrow
08-21-2009, 12:43 PM
yeah computer game sums it up pretty good, i dont know what to think of this movie

RADIOACTIVE MAN
08-22-2009, 08:29 AM
weird..might have to catch it at the theater to judge how it turns out

TAURO
08-22-2009, 01:50 PM
^^I think IMAX is the way to go with this one.

KERZO
08-22-2009, 02:19 PM
seem it might be a decent flick. props for the vid linkage...

p-rok73
08-22-2009, 05:08 PM
I'll check it out when it hits the theater, from what I've heard it's becoming one of the most expensive movies ever made. I hope it's good & not a dud like Waterworld, Ishtar, Dune, etc.

TAURO
08-22-2009, 05:21 PM
I liked Waterworld.

Lex Lugor
08-22-2009, 05:36 PM
LMAO! when he cut their hair
had them bitches lookin like milla jovovich in extinction

tekunique
11-12-2009, 05:03 PM
hope this is good. i mean, this is cameron's first film since titanic, which is from 97 you cant help but to have huge expectations from a director with such caliber.

Uncle Steezo
11-12-2009, 07:06 PM
lol @ the comments.
people calling this a
"$500M pocahontas".
"$500M american guilt trip"
"Dances with smurfs was better"

Ghost In The 'Lac
11-12-2009, 07:17 PM
Dances with smurfs is a south park reference

Uncle Steezo
11-12-2009, 07:42 PM
Dances with smurfs is a south park reference

England is in the UK.

angry!
11-13-2009, 09:07 AM
yall can hate, my pants are still on after viewing the trailer, but this is james cameron!!!

his track record leads me to believe thisll be some next level shit, ill view the full body of work in IMAX blunted and judge it!!!

terminator
t2
aliens
true lies
titanic

jimbo dont play that!!!! every flick he touches is epic, as far out there as this jawn looks, it looks like a epic!!!!

even if the characters and story sucks, his flicks are worth checkin for the technical aspect!!!! hes about to show that lil fly on the windsheild michael bay how you execute a blockbuster!!!! bays gonna be hurt!!!!

The Void
12-21-2009, 02:04 AM
Saw this earlier today in 3D. Fucking amazing! Go see it. It's well worth the price of admission.

100pr00f
12-21-2009, 08:46 AM
dude waited since 97 to make this movie...he had to wait for technology to catch up to the way he wanted to film this..he als invented some new cameras for this flick

so he said on the late night show

begongo
12-21-2009, 11:08 AM
just got back from the theater ... it looks good but the movie overall is a complete disappointment ... I dunno I had much higher expectations but I should've known better since it comes from the guy who made titanic

I mean the movie even has a "I didn't sign up for this shit" line for fucks sake ... wtf

u know from the very beginning exactly what's gonna happen, the predictability of this movie is disturbing

DRUNKENARTS
12-21-2009, 11:29 AM
tru the film is very predictable, but visually amazing it didnt feel like i was sitting there for nearly 3hrs still worth going to see it

WARPATH
12-22-2009, 08:10 PM
Movie was fresh. James Cameron must've got a hold of the comic book I made in high school.

White people get the fuck out.

oDoUoSoKo
12-22-2009, 08:33 PM
very enjoyable..i saw it in 3d..only flaw is sam worthington.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-23-2009, 03:25 PM
GOD DAMMM THAT SHIT WAS THE BOMMBBBBBb!!!!!!

Make sure u watch this at an IMAX, whoa.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-23-2009, 03:28 PM
i can say without question that was one of the msot visually breathtaking things ever commited to film!!

this has just elevated shit to 15 higher levels!!!!

who gives a fuck abotu a couple of cheesy lines!!! get over it!! shit was INCREDIBLE.everyone needs to bear witness to this at an IMAX too.

HANZO
12-23-2009, 05:31 PM
movie was dope you definitely have to watch this in Imax. its worth it.

i hope they make more movies with the same effects, really is a whole new level for movies.

as for the storyline yeah it was predictable and sometimes got corny. still dope dope movie.

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
12-23-2009, 07:02 PM
just got back from the theater ... it looks good but the movie overall is a complete disappointment ... I dunno I had much higher expectations but I should've known better since it comes from the guy who made titanic

I mean the movie even has a "I didn't sign up for this shit" line for fucks sake ... wtf

u know from the very beginning exactly what's gonna happen, the predictability of this movie is disturbing

you where watching the wrong movie if you where expecting all that

DR. NICK RIVIERA
12-23-2009, 07:50 PM
even if the characters and story sucks, his flicks are worth checkin for the technical aspect!!!! hes about to show that lil fly on the windsheild michael bay how you execute a blockbuster!!!! bays gonna be hurt!!!!

true.

DR. NICK RIVIERA
12-23-2009, 07:58 PM
you where watching the wrong movie if you where expecting all that

it's strange cuz he made alien and terminater, which are legendary movies, but this shit is too predictable [STILL A GOOD MOVIE THO]. ok, even last year's Dark Knight had pot holes, but at least it wasn't so predictable and full of WTF moments. Like in the end, the dude in that robot is looking back in a mirror. With all that fucking technology that shit still had mirrors? Wtf?

And yeah, we knew from the trailer on this is going to be Pocahontas [it is better than Pocahontas tho, enjoyable movie + better than Transformers2 [CATASTROPHE] or the Twilight shit]

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-23-2009, 08:18 PM
hahah fuck off with that Dark Knight shit, that shit was so overrated, the first 2 batmans were better. that shit aint fucking with this on any level.

if you seriously came away from the cinema with negative thoughts after seeing this movie i feel for you man, that must suck, because this shit blew me away, and im not into blockbusters like that, but ive never seen anything like this on screen before.

your failing to comprehend the magnitude of what this genius has just pulled off. i enjoyed the story, it brought you in, and i couldnt give a flying fuck about the odd cheesy line, get over it jeez!!

and it goes without even saying that its better than transformers2!! HAHAHahahahah! I cant beleiev you even felt the need to say that!! wow!!

whitey
12-23-2009, 10:13 PM
everyone i have heard has liked this. some say the plot wasnt the strongest, but the imagery in imax is worth the cash alone.

i might have to check this out. would love to see this blunted. would need a vault or some shit to stay awake for the full 3 hours tho!

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
12-24-2009, 02:57 AM
its one of the only times i would consider cgi effects art

DR. NICK RIVIERA
12-24-2009, 04:03 AM
I just felt even tho Dark Knight had holes, it was more exiciting to watch [everything about TwoFace..]

I'm sure we won't get a movie like Avatar anytime soon. It's a true blockbuster movie.

IrOnMaN
12-24-2009, 06:18 PM
I had high expectations for the movie because it was written and directed by James Cameron.

Well, I can honestly say that I not only enjoyed the movie, but I loved it from beginning to the end. The movie is VERY original. The movie reminds me of The Last Samurai, District 9, and that Native American movie that I can't think of at the moment.

I'm not going to spoil the movie for you guys. All that I have to say is that Avatar is a MUST SEE MOVIE! It's one of the best movies of the decade, hands down. I thought the setting was just brilliant. The story is nice and simple but the action and the special effects WILL wow you, that's for sure. I'll admit that I shed two tears during two scenes because I was just so into it.

I'm surprise that the theater was crowded. Maybe it's because of the holidays. If that's the case, why wasn't this a summer blockbuster? I'm sure it would've made an enormous amount of money. I hope it does do well at the box office because the last thing I would want is for this movie to be slept on.

Well, again, all I can say is see the movie. Trust me, you will not be disappointed.

oDoUoSoKo
12-25-2009, 01:46 PM
as i watched it i got the feeling that for better or worse this movie is gonna be talked about for a long time.

Sheep Shifter
12-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Some subliminal racism in this one, just like the other contemporary Hollywood films. When are white people going to stop making movies like this?

Avatar, Last Samurai, Dances with Wolves, District 9, Last of the Mohicans, and many more following a very common theme:

White man gets finds himself a part of an exclusive (coloured) group of people, becomes their hero and leads them to salvation.

Nothing but white guilt and chauvinism.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-25-2009, 05:27 PM
^^HAHAHAhahaah!! Look how much this guys life sucks!!!




Yeah it sucks to be you man but this movie has been on my mind ever since we left the cinema. I have a massive urge to need to see it again asap, its made all future movies totally pointless for me. Its almost like a hallucinogenic high, how you feel after the movie (the IMAX3D combined with the vivid colours probably did this).

Jim Cameron, if he wasnt before, HAS to now go down as the modern cinematic genius of our time. To put something like this together and pull it off like he did kind of baffles the mind. Its been a long time since I came away from a movie thinking what I just saw didnt seem possible to make. in fact probably never.

And Ive never seen a major budget movie ever attack American army like this before, even if technically they never said it was american army, it clearly was and ALOT of people mustve gotten incrediblly pissed off after seeing this movie.

Also the environmental message it gave could also be transcendtal for our time, I cant imagine many people seeing that film didnt come away moved by some of the messages and beauty, it really puts you in your place about what sort of world we're moving towards better than a million Al Gores ever could.

This is just the sort of movie our world needs to WAKE up to all the bullshit thats going on to destroy it, I can feel a shift happening, this movie will act as the muse for change.

Sheep Shifter
12-25-2009, 05:50 PM
I'm not denying it's a non-pacifist anti-american imperialist film.

However, it's still typical of the Hollywood theme to portray the foreign whiteman as being the saviour of a large group of coloured people. It's fucking disgusting. Some people don't pick up on it, then you have mad reactionaries like TSA who swallow propaganda like a birth control pill, clinging onto honkey dick trying to find his superman.

oDoUoSoKo
12-25-2009, 06:06 PM
eloels..well put armand..and i picked that up too.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-25-2009, 06:08 PM
Dont pick up on it? Wtf?? HHhahaah look at these guys thinking theyre smart for "picking up" on the storyline lmao!!!. You think your the only person who knows the storyline or something?

My god, we're dealing with special ones here.

Dude, you clearly HAVENT seen the film, because white people were made to look like fucking devils, if you saw the film, you would know, ive never seen the white man made to look so evil.

If you had any sort of depth of thought, which you constantly show yourself lacking in, you would know this film nothing to do with "white man leading to salvation", your retarded if you think that after seeing this movie. He was a NAVI, he left the evil whit eman ways, to be a NAVI literally, he was not a 'white man', he was fighting against the white man. Your twisting things to your way of thinking to fit into your propaganda like your political freaks always do.

Your political scum, like all the rest of the political scum. Your narrow political thought is what is wrong with this world.

The character of Jake Sully was as far from "white savior" as he could be, it was no where near as simple as that, and that clearly WASNT the message attempted to be put across no matter how much spin you try to make it.

Yes, the film follows a previously trodden storyline, but so do dozens of other films, all films are following other storylines. If your so desperate to bring it down to a simple race story, thi is not about white superiorty at all, he the one that leads them in the end BECAUSE ITS A MOVIE AND THAT MAKES A GOOD STORY. It would be fucking boring if he was just a footsoldier, he had all that passion because he had seen things FROM BOTH SIDES, and was passionate about making a change.

Ahh fuck it, im stopping typing now because ive just realised how much of a loser you are I dont feel like wasting my time on you.

Come back when your done a bit of growing up, mentally. And when you have a less punchable face, you have a really annoying face btw.

Sheep Shifter
12-25-2009, 06:28 PM
Typical of the average white viewer. The "it" I was referring to was the racial chauvinism, something concealed and abstracted by the ambitious views of its white leader.

I'm sure you thought 300 was a wonderful piece, too, not recognizing the great amount of racism it inflicts upon my people. Similarly, you would defend a movie which displays blackface in a non-negative manner.

And yes, Lacey. The white man stopped his conventional white ways in order to lead the coloured people. Often switching sides at the last minute from a distress which they had ensued themselves.

Much like..

http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2003/images/TheLastSamurai_poster.jpg
.. who leads the Japanese

or

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000G8NXW8.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
.. who leads the Natives

http://cdmyers.info/470008~The-Last-of-the-Mohicans-Posters.jpg
.. who does the same

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/68/Dune-miniseries.jpg
.. who becomes a saviour to the aliens

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_district-9-whiteguilt.jpg
.. as does this courageous white man

In what movie or mainstream art has depicted minorities as being heroes, anywhere to a near comparable degree? With the revisionism that exists today, people like TSA are left with no hope for their own people, even thinking Jesus was white, consequently committing political suicide and submitting himself blindly to the will of a few powerful white men in suits.

Don't worry, though. As you consume this white fantasy, I don't expect you to understand this point or to conceptualize the issues of racialism. Had you been born with my complexion, or god forbid, darker, you would be able to see it a bit more critically just based on your daily life experience. You don't, for you are privileged because you are white and you are white because you are privileged.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-25-2009, 06:36 PM
You seem to be unable to understand were talking about Hollywood movies.

Lead roles in action movies are heroic. Newsflash.

These people were fighting the white people before anyone else turned up to help them dumbass.

As I said, YOU HAVENT EVEN SEEN AVATAR. the Na'vi were fighting themselves heroically long befoe he arrived. And he was thrown out because it was HIS FAULT that their home tree got blown up, so he owed them big time. Like I said, if you had actuallly WATCHED the movie you would know all this.

But I guess you think the Termintor was also some kind of "alien savior" for the white people? does that count aswell under your rule?

The Terminator was doing the same thing, or does your rule only count when minorities are involved? Yah, thought so. Your racist.

oDoUoSoKo
12-25-2009, 06:38 PM
eloels, lacey...cmon son...use ya fuckin head.

Sheep Shifter
12-25-2009, 06:38 PM
Lace, you're about as smart as a pastrami sandwich.

Now go brush your teeth. Shit is nasty.

oDoUoSoKo
12-25-2009, 06:40 PM
Lacey Vs. Armand >>>>>> Dusk Vs. Alchy Trash

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-25-2009, 07:11 PM
wow sucks 2 b you guys lol

awesome film, mind blowing.

oDoUoSoKo
12-25-2009, 07:23 PM
i enjoyed that shit alot...but i do recognize what hes talkin about.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-25-2009, 07:51 PM
if i told you james cameron was trying to imply cyborgs are superior to humans in terminator you would probably recognize that too!!

but that would clearly be undermining the entire films actual meaning! simply because I was obsessed with cyborgs, and I wanted everyone to understand that cyborgs are superior to everyone else and that hollywoood is always perpatrating this sterotype of cyborgs being so superior to humans!!

bottom line is, - I couldnt give a flying armenian fuck!!

this faggot needs to lighten up or hes never gonna get properly laid again in his life! Because those down syndrome looks hes got really dont do it for most shaven underarmed girls I know!!

oDoUoSoKo
12-25-2009, 08:13 PM
if i told you james cameron was trying to imply cyborgs are superior to humans in terminator you would probably recognize that too!!

right, but that would be fucking stupid...and is in no way comparible to what sickle is talkin about.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-25-2009, 08:42 PM
if i told you james cameron was trying to imply cyborgs are superior to humans in terminator you would probably recognize that too!!

but that would clearly be undermining the entire films actual meaning! simply because I was obsessed with cyborgs, and I wanted everyone to understand that cyborgs are superior to everyone else and that hollywoood is always perpatrating this sterotype of cyborgs being so superior to humans!!

bottom line is, - I couldnt give a flying armenian fuck!!

this faggot needs to lighten up or hes never gonna get properly laid again in his life! Because those down syndrome looks hes got really dont do it for most shaven underarmed girls I know!!

right, but that would be fucking stupid...and is in no way comparible to what sickle is talkin about.

Wooowwwww.....

http://i47.tinypic.com/23vkcjq.jpg

oDoUoSoKo
12-25-2009, 09:34 PM
are you having a hard time understanding why i said that? ur entire post was deserving of a copy + pasting of that gifx10000000 but i dont hae as much time on my hands as u do.

Sheep Shifter
12-25-2009, 10:08 PM
Lace, "cyborgism" doesn't exist; racism does.

ALCATRAZ
12-25-2009, 10:15 PM
lol forget cyborgs, dusk thinks women are physically superior to men ... what a faggit pussy you are

oDoUoSoKo
12-25-2009, 10:45 PM
Lace, "cyborgism" doesn't exist; racism does.
thats what i mean
lol forget cyborgs, dusk thinks women are physically superior to men ... what a faggit pussy you are
wtf r u talkin about? when did i ever say that? and if i did, look around, wtf does that have to do with ANYTHING ANYONE has said so far...?

look Alchy Trash, i kno trying to pants me on the internet is no easy task, but i cant help u if ur going to say things that stupid...eloels, if u need a hand, drop a pm.

EAGLE EYE
12-25-2009, 10:49 PM
Some subliminal racism in this one, just like the other contemporary Hollywood films. When are white people going to stop making movies like this?

Avatar, Last Samurai, Dances with Wolves, District 9, Last of the Mohicans, and many more following a very common theme:

White man gets finds himself a part of an exclusive (coloured) group of people, becomes their hero and leads them to salvation.

Nothing but white guilt and chauvinism.



Haha you obviously read my thread about the groups protesting it and took it to heart.

Sheep Shifter
12-25-2009, 11:23 PM
Haha you obviously read my thread about the groups protesting it and took it to heart.
Didn't know such a thread was made.

food for thought
12-25-2009, 11:26 PM
lol forget cyborgs, dusk thinks women are physically superior to men ... what a faggit pussy you are

lmfao

food for thought
12-25-2009, 11:30 PM
me and a few friends are talking about eating some mushrooms before we go see this in imax 3D.

prolly in a couple of days.

shit is gona be crazy as fuck.

EAGLE EYE
12-26-2009, 12:00 AM
Armand should stop crying about the traces of racism in the film. I mean even Gavin has completely dismissed all of the themes and ideologies in exchange for a cheap thrill that gets his mind pussy wet.



He tends to sell out when it comes to 3dimensional shit.

Sheep Shifter
12-26-2009, 12:03 AM
Naw, I gotta do me.

food for thought
12-26-2009, 12:07 AM
amOGnQpYWmM

IrOnMaN
12-26-2009, 07:00 AM
Some subliminal racism in this one, just like the other contemporary Hollywood films. When are white people going to stop making movies like this?

Avatar, Last Samurai, Dances with Wolves, District 9, Last of the Mohicans, and many more following a very common theme:

White man gets finds himself a part of an exclusive (coloured) group of people, becomes their hero and leads them to salvation.

Nothing but white guilt and chauvinism.

Yeah. I think most people know this. But what are any of us going to do about it?

Bottomline, it's a GREAT movie. I'm going to see it again next week.

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
12-26-2009, 11:26 AM
it was a good flick but felt was overhyped

RagnaroK
12-26-2009, 04:52 PM
"PapaDragon" or "Duke Nukem" is what i call him was a great villain

Kenny Powers
12-26-2009, 06:38 PM
obviously the special effects are the best part. the story line is pretty basic though, its not that smart and nothing out of he ordinary really happens. and it was wayyy too long.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-26-2009, 07:33 PM
Ive realised its in the nature of the type of people who get attracted to this particular forum to instinctivly take some sort of dislike or negative view of anything thats popular in the mainstream, no matter how good its merits may be, you are blind to them as a whole. Maybe youll come around to them in say, 10 years, youll look back and realise what the fuss was about and say something like "yeah I really slept on that movie when it came out".

You people would hate on Terminator2 if it came out today. You would hate on it purely for the fact it was successfull, and would start to pick out the negative points of the story as your main line of conversation about the film. Terminator 2. You would grudgingly accept it has good points.

But today, looking back , you will happily say Terminator 2 is a really cool movie, and probably wont have anything bad to say, like its acting, or its shaky plot. Because you experienced and watched that movie for the first time before you became a depressed angry faggot. So the movie just came across as it was, a cool movie that you really liked.

If your similar age to me, you could also apply this to Jurrassic Park, a film with many flaws, but because you saw it before you became a depressed angry faggot, you look back on that film with nothing but positive nostaligia. Because you loved it as a kid, you still see that film as a great film (because it was), even though if it came out now, in your present faggotness, you would probably hate it, and find something that puts you off the whole movie. Because you are no longer able to enjoy things as you once could due to personal problems arisen from anger possibly stemming in a unhappy teenage years, where you were probably bullied.

And you were probably bullied by the popular kids in your teenage years, or if you werent, you simply were resentful about not being a popular kid. Now there are kids who arent popular but are totally fine with that, and it doesnt bother them. They in fact dont want to be popular, and they dont have anything against the kids who are. But not you. You are not popular, and you also are resentful and bitter about the ones who are. This puts you into the "faggot loser" category of people.

And you are the prime demographic for the type of people who cant bring themselves to like Avatar, even though you wouldve liked it, before your resentfull ness towards things that are popular, distorted your psyche. (stemming probably from an unhappy teenage years explained above). So even though this is a clearly stunning acheivement in film, that has never before been witnessed, and has in one swoop revolutionised film making forward 15 years, and is incredibly enjoyable experiance for anyone but the incrediblly dull, you are incapable of liking it because of the mental trauma caused in your school days which would mean you giving in to the popular kids that you hated so much. In the face of such situations, youll say thing like "well animation was pretty good I guess, but the plot was crap, and nothing out unusual happens, oh yea and it was wayyyyy to long".

Case example:

obviously the special effects are the best part. the story line is pretty basic though, its not that smart and nothing out of he ordinary really happens. and it was wayyy too long.

Even though this guy just watched a flying banshee swing helicopters into giant bombers in a entirely created from scratch completely detailed to every single leaf and insect alien planet, he is happy to say "nothing out of the ordinary happens", and its "not that smart". If this film had Donnie Darko's storyline, he would complain it was too complicated and they shouldve focused more on the action.

Its "not that smart" even though they have somehow created an entire livable photo realistic new PLANET, that looks ready to live on.


Good day, gentleman.

http://23.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv595u0X7C1qzvhbco1_500.jpg

DRUNKENARTS
12-26-2009, 07:41 PM
end thread lacey nailed it,haha i just dont how people dont like this film,its epic in many ways

oDoUoSoKo
12-26-2009, 07:44 PM
lmao i really enjoyed reading that cool guy manifesto..u obviously were the tag along in the popular group. i dont disagree totally with what ur saying, i agree particularly with the point that some people just dont like mainstream things, and automatically reject anything mainstream without giving it a chance, however i dont agree with the source of such a biased attitude.

EAGLE EYE
12-26-2009, 09:47 PM
I have yet to see the movie and probably won't because I'm not really into geekboy 3D syfy shit like this.


Apparently though if I give it a bad review it will mean I was bullied in high school and have weaseldicksyndrome. I better get with the times and accept this brave new age of 3D Pocahontas blue-man-goop fggtry.

oDoUoSoKo
12-26-2009, 11:42 PM
http://lounge155.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/gargoyles.jpg

a movie about this would kill^

EAGLE EYE
12-27-2009, 12:14 AM
^ I would only watch it on the premise of Natalie Portman getting boned dry by a gargoyle.

oDoUoSoKo
12-27-2009, 12:15 AM
ditto...she was fine in garden state

hide1998
12-27-2009, 03:21 AM
Great film (and everyone SHOULD watch in 3D IMAX if possible).

It's popular and generally adored however, so I expect nothing but, "Lemme post 20 different clever(???) jokes about much it sucks," in this thread.

begongo
12-27-2009, 03:51 AM
lacey, how long did it take you to notice that the people on this forum are not particularly fond of mainstream stuff? lol

EAGLE EYE
12-27-2009, 03:53 AM
lacey, how long did it take you to notice that the people on this forum are not particularly fond of mainstream stuff? lol



http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a38/hide321/in%20use/Ku01l.gif


aahahhhaahhhhahhaahhahhhahaahhhahaa

Kenny Powers
12-27-2009, 01:46 PM
Even though this guy just watched a flying banshee swing helicopters into giant bombers in a entirely created from scratch completely detailed to every single leaf and insect alien planet, he is happy to say "nothing out of the ordinary happens", and its "not that smart". If this film had Donnie Darko's storyline, he would complain it was too complicated and they shouldve focused more on the action.

Its "not that smart" even though they have somehow created an entire livable photo realistic new PLANET, that looks ready to live on.


Good day, gentleman.

http://23.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv595u0X7C1qzvhbco1_500.jpg

How many times has this exact story line been shown? a lot, I went to this movie with high hopes and was let down, there are no twists, everything happens that is supposed to happen. Cameron can do better and his social commentary annoyingly ruined the film for me

whitey
12-27-2009, 02:34 PM
^it aint really aboot the story line bruh

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-27-2009, 02:43 PM
lol @ it "ruining the film" for you.

It must REALLY

REALLY

Suck

To be you. The ritalin generation I guess.

You could take the top 100 films of all time, I bet you at least 50% of them, at least, have a storyline thats been doe before somewhere. Probably alot more.

And most of the rest of them will have fairly straightforward basic storylines.

But I guess you expect the most expensive film ever made to be catered to your EXACT tastes, right?

If you want to hear a good story, read a book, numb nuts, this is about FILM MAKING. The Godfathers story SUCKED in comparison to reading the books, it doesnt take away from the film! BEcause its a great fucking film.

Get a grip of yourself ffs. You sound so fucking depressing I would really hate to be someone like you.

theDZA
12-27-2009, 02:56 PM
Great film (and everyone SHOULD watch in 3D IMAX if possible).

It's popular and generally adored however, so I expect nothing but, "Lemme post 20 different clever(???) jokes about much it sucks," in this thread.

lol

just seen this film today, i was suprised at how good it was tbh, i agree that it is a great film

Kenny Powers
12-27-2009, 05:14 PM
suck to be me? not sure why you think that because I didn't like avatar, seems a little strong but w/e. So because its the most expensive movie of all time, I have to like it? I don't think so, there was nothing that stood out to be about this movie and a lot of people are sucking avatar's blue dick because of all the hype.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-27-2009, 05:39 PM
there was nothing that stood out to be about this movie

Sucks to be you son.

Uncle Steezo
12-28-2009, 12:54 AM
Armand should stop crying about the traces of racism in the film. I mean even Gavin has completely dismissed all of the themes and ideologies in exchange for a cheap thrill that gets his mind pussy wet.



He tends to sell out when it comes to 3dimensional shit.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

i consider avatar to be a colorful pop up book retelling the same story thats been echoed for the past 700 years.

YT see, YT kill, YT steal

http://members.wri.com/jeffb/visualization/calabi-spin.gif

*BRAIN SQUIRTS*

hide1998
12-28-2009, 05:43 AM
a lot of people are sucking avatar's blue dick because of all the hype.

Or because it was great. But you say tomato, I say...

oDoUoSoKo
12-28-2009, 10:16 AM
Or because it was great. But you say tomato, I say...
...salami
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the silencer
12-29-2009, 03:26 AM
just got home from watching it (in 3D but not IMAX)..


pretty amazing movie...yes the story is familiar but the ending was great in this telling..and it looked a fuck of alot better than anything else that's ever been on screen


so many interesting elements worth talking about but i'm tired as fuck right now..




the whole ecological, "oneness with web of nature" perspective was beautifully done and has already enhanced my own view of life (walking out of the mall the various plants and trees had me in awe) and I see this film as a defining piece for this generation..


HUGE movie

Dr Sleepwalker
12-29-2009, 09:09 AM
Great movie. It's definetely the special effects that are what carried this one. which was the intention of James Cameron waiting for technology and what not. Worth the price, and was the perfect movie to get lifted and see. and I'll probably end up grabbin' this for Blu Ray too when it drops.

And LMFAO at the brown guy complainin' about racism. Dudes so racist himself that he's sensitive to non-existant racial messages lol.

And don't worry bro, those movies you listed would've had brown actors if there was more of those to choose from.. (not being racist, it's just true)

oDoUoSoKo
12-29-2009, 10:35 AM
hmmm^

Hollow Dartz
12-31-2009, 04:21 PM
yzrFE2Rqa08

oDoUoSoKo
12-31-2009, 04:26 PM
is that gavin? eloels.

Hollow Dartz
12-31-2009, 04:59 PM
Naw, just some funny ass nigga who does movie reviews..

MaskedAvenger
12-31-2009, 10:45 PM
I understand why people like this movie but personally it bored me to death. I was literally counting down the minutes till it ended.

Kenny Powers
01-05-2010, 06:57 PM
http://web.me.com/pascalboogaert/Site/foto3_files/original.jpg

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-05-2010, 07:24 PM
^^uuhhh no shit, whats your point? Its a great story. And AVatar nail it better than any other film has. I love the story.

TIME review

By RICHARD CORLISS Richard Corliss – Mon Dec 14, 12:00 pm ET


In the last shot of Avatar, someone's closed eyes snap open. That's the climax and the message of James Cameron's first fiction feature since 1997s Titanic: Look around! Embrace the movie - surely the most vivid and persuasive creation of a fantasy world ever seen in the history of moving pictures - as a total sensory, sensuous, sensual experience. The planet Pandora that Cameron and his army of artist-technicians have created - at a budget believed to be in excess of $300 million - is a wonder world of flora and fauna: a rainforest (where it never rains) of gigantic trees and phosphorescent plants, of six-legged flying horses, panther dogs and hammerhead dinosaurs. Living among these creatures is Pandora's humanish tribe, the Na'vi: a lean, 10-ft.-tall, blue-striped people with green eyes, or what mankind might have been if it had evolved in harmony with, not opposition to, the edenic environment that gave rise to its birth.


It's the year 2154, and Pandora, a moon of the Alpha Centauri star, is the reluctant host to an expedition of Americans seeking to mine an incredibly valuable rock called unobtainium - a joke term, coined in the 1950s referring to any kind of material that's unavailable or impractical to use, that Cameron employs to locate his movie among science-fiction adventures of the period. The expedition, headed by sleazy entrepreneur Parker Selfridge (Giovanni Ribisi), contains scientists, working for Dr. Grace Augustine (Sigourney Weaver), and a Blackwater-type security force led by the malevolently macho Col. Miles Quaritch (Stephen Lang). The scientists have hatched "avatars," which look like Na'vi but blend their DNA with that of humans, who will steer them by remote control; "dreamwalkers," they're known as. Grace is entranced by the Na'vi's aristocratic gentility, but to Selfridge and Quaritch they are "blue monkeys", "savages," "an aboriginal horde." Or for want of a better word: Disposable. (See the top 10 movies of 2009.) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/time/us_time/storytext/08599194743800/34422429/SIG=12kgtd7bc/*http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1945379_1943915,00.html)


The new guy in this program is Jake Sully (Sam Worthington, last seen going up against machinery in Terminator Salvation), a paraplegic ex-Marine whose dead identical twin brother had been in the project. Since Jake has the same DNA, he's chosen to man his late brother's avatar. Grace wants Jake to befriend the Na'vi and help her unearth precious biological samples; Quaritch orders him to become a secret spy, as part of the company's plan to drive the tribe away from a sacred tree, under which can be found vast reserves of unobtainium. In this double role, Jake meets Neyfiri (Zoe Saldana), daughter of the tribal chief. At first suspicious of his motives, and contemptuous of his clumsiness - "Ignorant, like a child," is the way she puts it - Neyfiri is nevertheless impressed by Jake's adaptability. Somehow he has an affinity for this place, for the Na'vi and for her. Some day he will be their savior.


For me to say that Avatar is better than Titanic is not the highest possible praise. I was no ardent fan of Cameron's grafting of a poor-boy/rich-girl love story tacked onto the true saga of that doomed ship which set sail from Southampton back in 1912. But it became a night to remember with enough moviegoers to become the all-time top-grossing film with a take of just over $1.8 billion (though it ranks sixth in real dollars, after Gone With the Wind, Star Wars, The Sound of Music, E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial and the 1956 version of The Ten Commandments). What Cameron earned from Titanic's enormous success was the cachet (11 Oscars, tying the record with Ben-Hur and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King) and cash, to actually make Avatar, which has been called the most expensive picture ever made (though, again in real dollars, that record is probably held by 1963s Cleopatra). That shouldn't matter to viewers. The democratizing principles of the box office is that moviegoers pay the same amount to see Avatar, in its 2-D form, as they did for Paranormal Activity with its $11,000 budget. The only question they need have is: Is the movie worth it? (See TIME's Holiday Movie Preview.) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/time/us_time/storytext/08599194743800/34422429/SIG=12k5ni5n0/*http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1942819_1942818,00.html)


I say yes; for Avatar is a state-of-the-art experience that, for years to come, will define what movies can achieve, not in duplicating our existence but in confecting new ones. The story may be familiar from countless old movies, from those made out of Hollywood such as Dances With Wolves (an American grows sympathetic to the tribes he was meant to annihilate) to Apocalypse Now (and any number of anti-imperialist war epics), through to those made abroad, like this year's District 9 set in South Africa (where a human becomes part-alien and is hunted down by his old own kind). Some of the dialogue in Avatar's opening sequences may be on the starchy side - Cameron was never a great director of actors nor sympathetic to their sensitive needs - but objections shrink to quibbles, and then simply disappear, in the face of the picture's unprecedented visual flourishes.


Once again Cameron has devised a romance similar to Titanic's - an American grunt falls in love with a Na'vi princess - but this time with far more emotive power. Instead of embracing on a ship's prow, they ride their banshee steeds in ecstatic communion across the Pandoran sky. Think of them as the prince and princess of the world. Worthington, an Australian actor who had the second lead in the recent Terminator movie, has little of Leonardo DiCaprio's star power; but the resolve and good nature he radiates make Jake one of those ordinary heroes who rise to extraordinary heights. Saldana, though encased in CGI blue throughout the movie, manages to be the movie's driving force: yet again in a Cameron film, we find a strong woman seeking a man whose strength she can tap. But unlike the tryst between DiCaprio and Kate Winslet, this love affair has consequences. It is not a footnote to history; it makes history, as two species merge to save a planet. (Read: "King of the (Blue) World".) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/time/us_time/storytext/08599194743800/34422429/SIG=122n8rod0/*http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1945338,00.html)


And by a planet, Cameron clearly means our planet. Among his activities in the dozen years since Titanic, the director made two underwater documentaries (Ghosts of the Abyss and Aliens of the Deep) that marked him as both an explorer and a conservationist. Avatar brings his social concerns to the surface. This is not only the most elaborate public-service commercial for those of the tree-hugger persuasion; it's also a call to save what we've got, environmentally, and leave indigenous people as they are - an argument applicable to the attempt of any nation (say, the U.S.) to colonize another land (say, Iraq or Afghanistan). The rooting interest in Avatar is for the Na'vi, and against the American ex-soldiers whose job it is to police the planet. When some of them die, in the battle that consumes the final third of this 2hr.42min. extravaganza, you're meant to cheer. And you will. (Read Techland on Avatar.) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/time/us_time/storytext/08599194743800/34422429/SIG=1115c8db0/*http://techland.com/tag/avatar/)


That climactic face-off is stage-managed for maximum thrills, as the creatures we met in the first part of the film join the Na'vi in opposing the rotten humans. But the supreme joy of Avatar is in its long central portion: a safari through the luscious landscape of Pandora. After all those years on the water (with Titanic) and underwater (with The Abyss and his two documentaries), Cameron has surfaced to put his vision of Pandora on screen. It's an impossible but completely plausible and seductive world that invites your total immersion. Don't resist it; sink in and fly with it. All Cameron asks is that you open your eyes.
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Hollow Dartz
01-05-2010, 09:54 PM
I just seen it tonight. It was pretty good.

-The A to the Z-
01-06-2010, 12:57 PM
Take away the visuals, and it's a terrible movie.

The story just kind of droned on, and even by the end of the film I couldn't care less what happened to any of the characters.



But it's nice to look at, so it's all good in my books.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-06-2010, 01:06 PM
^thats probably because you couldnt relate to its environmental message

for hippies, this film is like the 2nd coming

and ive already read articles in respected papers saying this film could change the world and how we think, more than any amount of Al Gores and Copenhagen meetings

this shit is pure power

the story was epic IMHO, i was glued to it the whole way through and so was everyone else I went with. One girl even didnt want to go and see this, at all, but everyone came out amazed about the movie.

i know the right wing in america hates this movie though, and have called it anti american and shit. so if your not a liberal type person, or care about nature then yeah, I can see how you would hate this movie lol.

THE MASON
01-07-2010, 01:37 AM
i just saw it and it was good... not as good as all the hype but i didnt hate the movie. they played it in 3D and that was pretty dope.

its worth checkin out

Uncle Steezo
01-07-2010, 01:56 AM
after seeing it for the 5th time, 3 times online and twice in 3d imax, this is the best sci fi film i have ever seen. and you all know how much i love star wars.

i do think avatar will bring Lucas out of retirement and make the final 3 SW movies.

DR. NICK RIVIERA
01-07-2010, 04:02 AM
after seeing it for the 5th time, 3 times online and twice in 3d imax, this is the best sci fi film i have ever seen. and you all know how much i love star wars.

i do think avatar will bring Lucas out of retirement and make the final 3 SW movies.


I'm pretty sure u never seen Blade Runner.

Avatar has plot holes that a SCIfi must never have. And it's a total Pocahontas ripoff.

And ALL the characters are shallow.

only three problems, but still big ones.



it is an enjoyable movie, but it isn't top10 of last decade by any means. it's just....the next Titanic.

-The A to the Z-
01-07-2010, 08:31 AM
^thats probably because you couldnt relate to its environmental message

Flip that - I've seen the same message conveyed many times before, and better.

DR. NICK RIVIERA
01-08-2010, 04:37 AM
^^^^^^yeah.

I would probably treat this movie with some slack, if it wasn't done by the great almighty Cameron, who waited more than 10 years for this to make it happen. I was expecting plot twists, or a big climax in the end, but it just wasn't to be. Also, the acting isn't as potent as in the Titanic, so again, it's not that enjoyable and memorable.

Otherwise, I'm going to see it again with my fam.

Uncle Steezo
01-08-2010, 08:43 AM
I'm pretty sure u never seen Blade Runner.

Avatar has plot holes that a SCIfi must never have. And it's a total Pocahontas ripoff.

And ALL the characters are shallow.

only three problems, but still big ones.



it is an enjoyable movie, but it isn't top10 of last decade by any means. it's just....the next Titanic.


i own blade runner and saw it the first time before u were born, lil fella.

blade runner is a pinocchio/pygmalion rip off.
it too, has shallow characters. imagine if ford was not in it.

now if you wanted to talk kubric pwns cameron... you shoulda said AI.

oDoUoSoKo
01-08-2010, 10:45 AM
blade runner is better first of all, second so are all 3 of the original star wars films.

Uncle Steezo
01-08-2010, 10:51 AM
you say that now....

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2010, 10:53 AM
i own blade runner and saw it the first time before u were born, lil fella.

blade runner is a pinocchio/pygmalion rip off.
it too, has shallow characters. imagine if ford was not in it.

now if you wanted to talk kubric pwns cameron... you shoulda said AI.

??

Ridley Scott directed Blade Runner, not Kubrick. And AI sucked. And he didnt even direct that either.

Blade Runner is one of the greatest films ever imo, but I dont see why anyone feels the need to compare it to Avatar, and argue about which one is "better". How old are you lol.

I think Avatar is the greatest acheivement in film making in the last 20 or so years.

oDoUoSoKo
01-08-2010, 10:59 AM
kubrik started the whole AI project, and im pretty sure he wrote the original scripts for it. eventually he just produced it.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2010, 11:03 AM
^Nope try again. Kubrick didnt write, produce, or do the screen play, or have anything to do with the film.

He liked the idea one day to do the film, possibly with Speilberg, they talked abotu it together, but he died in 99. Film came out 2001.

oDoUoSoKo
01-08-2010, 11:04 AM
Development of A.I. originally began with Stanley Kubrick (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Stanley_Kubrick) in the early 1970s. Kubrick hired a series of writers up until the mid-1990s, including Brian Aldiss (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Brian_Aldiss), Bob Shaw (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Bob_Shaw), Ian Watson (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Ian_Watson_(author)) and Sara Maitland (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Sara_Maitland). The film languished in development hell (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Development_hell) for years because Kubrick felt computer-generated imagery (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Computer-generated_imagery) was not advanced enough to create the David character, whom he believed no child actor would believably portray. In 1995 Kubrick handed A.I. to Steven Spielberg (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Steven_Spielberg), but the film did not gain momentum until the death of Kubrick in 1999. Spielberg remained close to Watson's film treatment (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Film_treatment) for the screenplay, and replicated Kubrick's secretive style of filmmaking. A.I. was greeted with mostly positive reviews from critics and became a moderate financial success. This film was dedicated to Kubrick's memory with a small credit after the credits, saying "For Stanley Kubrick"

oDoUoSoKo
01-08-2010, 11:05 AM
Produced bySteven Spielberg
Stanley Kubrick (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Stanley_Kubrick)
Jan Harlan (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Jan_Harlan)
Kathleen Kennedy (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Kathleen_Kennedy_(film_producer))
Walter F. Parkes (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Walter_F._Parkes)
Bonnie Curtis (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Bonnie_Curtis)Produced bySteven Spielberg
Stanley Kubrick (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Stanley_Kubrick)
Jan Harlan (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Jan_Harlan)
Kathleen Kennedy (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Kathleen_Kennedy_(film_producer))
Walter F. Parkes (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Walter_F._Parkes)
Bonnie Curtis (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Bonnie_Curtis)

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-08-2010, 11:08 AM
Development of A.I. originally began with Stanley Kubrick (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Stanley_Kubrick) in the early 1970s. Kubrick hired a series of writers up until the mid-1990s, including Brian Aldiss (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Brian_Aldiss), Bob Shaw (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Bob_Shaw), Ian Watson (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Ian_Watson_%28author%29) and Sara Maitland (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Sara_Maitland). The film languished in development hell (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Development_hell) for years because Kubrick felt computer-generated imagery (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Computer-generated_imagery) was not advanced enough to create the David character, whom he believed no child actor would believably portray. In 1995 Kubrick handed A.I. to Steven Spielberg (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Steven_Spielberg), but the film did not gain momentum until the death of Kubrick in 1999. Spielberg remained close to Watson's film treatment (http://www.wutang-corp.com/wiki/Film_treatment) for the screenplay, and replicated Kubrick's secretive style of filmmaking. A.I. was greeted with mostly positive reviews from critics and became a moderate financial success. This film was dedicated to Kubrick's memory with a small credit after the credits, saying "For Stanley Kubrick"

Cool story bruh, but what does it have to do with Kubrick and the film AI? Thats like saying Micheal Kritchen did the film Jurrasic Park. And its not even like that, because Kubrick didnt come up with the story.

Go to imdb, Kubrick isnt listed. He gets one mention as 'uncredited' for the 'concept.'

oDoUoSoKo
01-08-2010, 11:11 AM
i kno he didnt make the film, but i see why this kid mentioned his name, just not in relation to blade runner

angry!
01-08-2010, 02:05 PM
cant ever test the god jimmy cameron!!!!!!

he got everyone buzzing off this shit love it or hate it.. jimmy delivered under high industry pressure off the strength of the experience!!!!!!!! IMAX 3D avatar is a new experience... period... that shit raises the bar visually and every movie goer wins at the end of the day!!!

michael bay, you lookin weak as fuck right now dog!!!!!!

mcG thinking about making the switch to directing commericals right about now!!!!!!!!

brian singer looking like a lame homo who lacks punch right about now!!!!!!

jimbo coming out of hibernating to show these peons how to execute a big budget blockbuster!!!!!

george lucas sitting at the ranch confused as fuck right now!!!!!!!!

Tecknowledgist
01-29-2010, 08:07 PM
just saw it finally

the faggotry in this thread is astounding

visually? easily the best movie ever created

the storyline? GOOD. ITS A GOOD STORY STFU!!!

i walked out of the theatre feeling like a goddamn asshole for being human. this shit was an experience and a half. and i was shitting on this movie for months before it came out

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-29-2010, 08:17 PM
^+rep

The problem is

the faggots in this thread hating on the movie

havent seen the movie

the silencer
01-29-2010, 08:42 PM
saw it again last Saturday..

in Imax this time but we actually had to sit in the 2nd row cuz the theater was packed....and it was STILL good, i thought it would suck from so close..




i feel like the critique of the story stems from the fact that the story is kinda simple, not BAD, but simple and something that's been done before (and it has a good ending which i guess seems unrealistic to some dreary fucks)---and such a simple and understandable storyline is dwarfed by the magnitude of what they've created on the screen, a whole different world that you can almost smell it's so real, and a new race, new language, new way of living, etc...all of it seems real and mind-blowing but then the story is kinda rinky-dink, been done before


just my thoughts right now at this moment of highness....

Longbongcilvaringz
01-29-2010, 08:42 PM
If you're over 10 or 11, loving this movie is a bit weird.

It looked good, nothing to really hold anyone's attention though.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-29-2010, 08:52 PM
^^haha look at Pat, cute.

This Jazz Musician did an amazing review of the film, sums it up for me perfectly


Film Review: Avatar, A Humanist Call from Mt. Hollywood by Gilad Atzmon (http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/film-review-avatar-a-humanist-call-from-mt-hollywood-by-gila.html)

http://www.gilad.co.uk/universal/images/transparent.pngWednesday, December 30, 2009 at 11:30AM http://www.gilad.co.uk/universal/images/transparent.pngGilad Atzmon (http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/author/gilad)
http://www.gilad.co.uk/storage/avatar_navi.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1262173 268202Avatar may well be the biggest anti War film of all time. It stands against everything the West is identified with. It is against greed and capitalism, it is against interventionalism, it is against colonialism and imperialism, it is against technological orientation, it is against America and Britain. It puts Wolfowitz, Blair and Bush on trial without even mentioning their names. It enlightens the true meaning of ethics as a dynamic judgmental process rather than fixed moral guidelines (such as the Ten Commandments or the 1948 Human Right Declaration). It throws a very dark light on our murderous tendencies towards other people, their belief and rituals. But it doesn’t just stop there. In the same breath, very much like German Leben philosophers(1), it praises the power of nature and the attempt to bond in harmony with soil, the forest and the wildlife. It advises us all to integrate with our surrounding reality rather than impose ourselves on it. Very much like German Idealists and early Romanticists, it raises questions to do with essence, existence and the absolute. It celebrates the true meaning of life and livelihood.


It is pretty astonishing and cheering to discover Hollywood paving the way to the victorious return of German philosophical thought.




The year is 2154 and the RDA corporation is mining planet Pandora digging for Unobtanium, a unique mineral that defies gravity and sells for top cash. Pandora is a remote planet inhabited by the Na’vi, a species that shares some human features. Like humans the Na’vi have their own developed language and high culture. Yet unlike westerners they integrate with their surrounding reality searching for harmony in nature rather than looking for a means to exploit it. The Na’vi are a few feet taller than humans, they are extremely strong, they also possess a long impressive tail and a long plait with a unique bond at its end that operate as an organic USB connection. The bond allows the Na’vi to form a mental and spiritual union with their surrounding organic reality. The Na’vi cherish their planet, they look after it. They also worship a mother goddess called Eywa, who encompasses the integrated spiritual and physical centre of their universe and it’s past.


In order to penetrate into the Na’vi, human scientists genetically engineered human-na’vi hybrid bodies called Avatars. Like in all Western interventionalist and colonial wars, the foreign invader insists on convincing itself that it can create some false needs amongst the indigenous population. The RDA corporation takes pride in its attempt ‘to bring culture to Pandora’. The Avatars are there to communicate with the Na’vi. They are there to teach them English and Western values. They are there to maintain order so that the Na’vi fail to notice that their soil is raped and robbed by the Humans. But as we soon learn, such an attempt is in vein. The Humans have nothing to offer which the Na’vi are willing to take.


Jake Sully a paraplegic former marine is an Avatar. With the support of the appropriate advanced technology and machinery he operates a Na’vi/Avatar hybrid.
Pretty soon Jake, as an Avatar, manages to make contact with the Na’vi. He even manages to infiltrate into their civilisation. Colonel Miles Quaritch, the fierce mercenary leader of the security forces, offers Jake to have his legs repaired in exchange for providing intelligence about the Na’vi.
Though Jake is initially happy to provide the goods, it is just a question of time before the ex- marine, changes his league. Through the eyes of the Avatar, Jake sees truthfulness in harmony. However, through his training and life experience he knows what Human genocidal brutality is all about. He prefers harmony over racial brotherhood.


As the plot evolves, both Jake and the Avatar scientific team understand that the corporation and Colonel Quaritch are preparing for a total war against the Na’vi and their civilization. The scientific team unite together with Jake against the corporation and the mercenary force. They are committed to save the Na’vi. Augustine, the professor behind the Avatar project who is genuinely fascinated by the Pandora magic and motivated by true knowledge-seeking, makes up her mind; she says NO to technology. She betrays the company that finances her research and eventually gives her life to her subject of research instead.
As the movie reaches its dramatic peak, Jake, the Avatar, the ex-human spy is leading the Na’vi defensive war against the Humans. As the mercenary colonel is closing in on the sacred site, the Na’vi fight back fiercely against the superior technological might. The Na’vi suffer heavy casualties. When all hope seems lost, the Pandoran wildlife joins the Na’vi and attack the humans in great numbers, overwhelming them in the air and on the ground.


The film ends with Jake being successfully transplanted into his Na'vi Avatar. We also see the remnants of the human army marching to a sky shuttle that will transport them out of Pandora. The message of the 300 million cinematic spectacle is clear: NO to war, NO to greed, NO to intervention, No to throwing bombs, YES to nature, harmony and respecting the beliefs of others.




I recently learned that Avatar drew some criticism (http://io9.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like-avatar) for its alleged ‘racist subtext’. “Na’vi might be blue aliens” says one British commentator (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/willheaven/100020706/avatar-james-cameron-deserves-the-worst-lefty-award-2009/) “but they’re also blue aliens with Masai-style necklaces…acted by mostly black actors. They’re also rescued from destruction by a white character – played, of course, by a white actor – who becomes one of them”. The idea of a “white liberal man as the saviour of the so-called primitive natives” seems to deliver a ‘patronising’ message.


I find it hard to take these arguments seriously. The Sci-fi genre is creating an imaginary fantastic reality that thrives on familiarity. James Cameron, the man behind the Avatar spectacle, based the Na’vi on an amalgam of many non-white aspects: African tribal markings, Native American settings, Jamaican hair styles and so on. Yet, he manages to evoke empathy in us towards the so-called ‘alien’ rather than towards the Human. This alone should be enough to defy the politically correct accusation of‘racist subtext’ behind the film.


However, the criticism against Cameron drew my attention to the role of the Avatar as a double agent. Towards the final scene Colonel Quaritch blames Jake for “betraying his race”. Jake indeed changes sides; he is doing it for a good cause. And as it seems, the Na’vi and Pandora couldn’t prevail without him, they needed his leadership. In order to win the battle they needed a leader that is deeply familiar with the enemy's tactics and mode of thought.


One of the reasons that America is defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan is the obvious fact that many Iraqis and Afghanis had been educated in American universities and are familiar with the American way, yet, not many within the American elite or military command understand Islam. Not many amongst the American or British leadership are graduates of Kabul or Baghdad universities.


However, as in the case of Avatar, by the time America and Britain will start to train its forces to understand Islam, it may as well be ready for its new enlightened soldiers to change sides once they arrive on the battlefield.


I would maintain that to stand up against your own people for an ethical cause is the real meaning of humanism and liberty. Yet, it is pretty astonishing that such an inspiring message is delivered by Hollywood. We may have to admit, once again, that it is the artist and creative mind (rather than the politician) who is there to shape our reality and present a prospect of a better amicable future by the means of aesthetics.

DR. NICK RIVIERA
01-30-2010, 04:42 AM
It puts Wolfowitz, Blair and Bush on trial without even mentioning their names.

but wasn't the script written before Titanic? so if he changed the script, that explains some of the sci fi holes in it, if not, this reviewer is just talking outta his ass.

or did Cameron predict the future? loool

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-30-2010, 07:36 AM
No offence, but that was really fucking dumb thing to say.

I guess there were no wars or invasions before this script was drafted, Afghanistan was the first time a war like situation has ever happened, right Wera?

Why does it matter when it was written? Or if the reviewer happens to know when it was written? Why are you picking out a pointlesss thing like that?

Also explain some of your so called "sci fi holes"


And then explain whats so bad in your life that would force you to hate such an incredible experience as Avatar. I mean you must have problems if you can enjoy this film. If you cant enjoy this film, your either clininally depressed, or not human.

Longbongcilvaringz
01-30-2010, 11:59 PM
i own blade runner and saw it the first time before u were born, lil fella.

blade runner is a pinocchio/pygmalion rip off.
it too, has shallow characters. imagine if ford was not in it.

now if you wanted to talk kubric pwns cameron... you shoulda said AI.

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^^haha look at Pat, cute.

This Jazz Musician did an amazing review of the film, sums it up for me perfectly

haha, yeah, really?

a real life jazz musician???

I take back whatever i said.

Although it is astounding how comfortable you are fawning over this movie as a 20+ year old male.

Ghost In The 'Lac
01-31-2010, 09:24 AM
You really are a cynical, bitter man for your age Pat Batemen.

I guess its "childish" to be an envorimentalist, gaia believing, anti politcial, anti capitalist, anti invasionist, godless philosphy who enjoys things that look fucking cool as fuck in 3D.

Have you even seen the film? Have you been to an Imax 3D theatre and experianced it? Im not talking about some pirated DVD, its not the same. If you walked out of that IMAX and werent impressed, theres something SERIOUSLY wrong with you.

And yeah, Gilad Atzman, hes a fucking famous jazz musician and writer,youve got a problem with that? Its not about who is is, its what he said. Obviously you didnt actually read it.

angry!
01-31-2010, 12:14 PM
avatar got niggas furious!!!!!!

real talk, one of my homies been doggin on avatar since hes seen it, and he called me up one night saying i gotta check out "legion"!!!!!!!!!!!! thats the mentality some of these niggas got!!!!!!!!

even if you think the story and script sucks, you should be able to appreciate the movie for breaking new ground visually!!!!! i cant wait to see what the copy cats can come with!!!!!!!!!!!

i dont expect to see a james cameron flick for another 10 years, son of bitch made enough money to keep the suits permanently at bay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Longbongcilvaringz
02-02-2010, 09:42 AM
No one's furious.

It's just funny to see adults get so worked up about a movie like this.

You really are a cynical, bitter man for your age Pat Batemen.

I guess its "childish" to be an envorimentalist, gaia believing, anti politcial, anti capitalist, anti invasionist, godless philosphy who enjoys things that look fucking cool as fuck in 3D.

Have you even seen the film? Have you been to an Imax 3D theatre and experianced it? Im not talking about some pirated DVD, its not the same. If you walked out of that IMAX and werent impressed, theres something SERIOUSLY wrong with you.

And yeah, Gilad Atzman, hes a fucking famous jazz musician and writer,youve got a problem with that? Its not about who is is, its what he said. Obviously you didnt actually read it.

haha, jesus.

Please proof read your posts, you come out with some of the most horribly corny shit imaginable.

Again, not everyone who likes this movie has a mental age of 10, just the people reacting to it like you are.

It's just embarrassing for someone of your age.

Trying to ascribe some highfalutin deeper meaning to the paper thin 'story' is even more humiliating. Please just stop.

Ghost In The 'Lac
02-02-2010, 09:54 AM
Your a fucking moron.

You havent even seen the film LOL

im not bothering with your cyncical ass

BUT ITS NOT SURPRISING YOU DONT LIKE CAMERON FILMS

As they have strong FEMALE leads, wih females usueally having the most interesting roles

We all know that your a homo, like Blackula said, you have problems with women

So it makes sense you dont like James Cameron films (one of the most famous male feminist)

Buzk
02-02-2010, 10:14 AM
this movie is good, but overrated.


thats my review......

Longbongcilvaringz
02-03-2010, 09:21 AM
Your a fucking moron.

You havent even seen the film LOL

im not bothering with your cyncical ass

BUT ITS NOT SURPRISING YOU DONT LIKE CAMERON FILMS

As they have strong FEMALE leads, wih females usueally having the most interesting roles

We all know that your a homo, like Blackula said, you have problems with women

So it makes sense you dont like James Cameron films (one of the most famous male feminist)

You cried during and after Titantic faggit.

"One of the most famous male feminists".

As i said, please stop, you're coming up with some of the most embarrassing sentences, in your blind rage.

An unentertaining and unoriginal children's film changed your life

That's great, but don't expect everyone to react similarly.

I make no apologies for not liking wooden 'acting', terrible scriptwriting and overblown and poorly executed concepts.

Some people appreciate subtlety and craftsmanship, don't be mad because of this.

Ghost In The 'Lac
02-03-2010, 10:02 AM
lol! ur taking me far too seriously, Paddy.

Do u really think I give a fuck about a feminist aahahahahaahahahahahaahh!!!

I was just fucking with u, in relation to Blackulas history of saying you hate women. please dont go soawf on me.


but all that aside, its a classic film

and I reccomend you to go view it at a IMAX3d (idk if you have those in your backwater)

then come back to me

then maybe we can build some on male feminism god.

serioussam
02-03-2010, 04:19 PM
i was watching 3d and I enjoy

LORD ZERO
02-04-2010, 07:51 PM
im still yet to see this movie so i cant really speak on it, the cgi in the trailers are breathtaking tho

oDoUoSoKo
02-06-2010, 10:02 PM
fuckin GAWD sig vid, Laceface. LMAO.