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TSA
09-09-2009, 12:31 AM
are in a way WWI
making WWII WWIII

think about it..



http://www.linternaute.com/histoire/magazine/dossier/06/portraits-revolution/images/napoleon.png


is there anyone in history that went harder then Napoleon?

spiggity_ace
09-09-2009, 12:44 AM
Raekwon the cheff

TSA
09-09-2009, 12:56 AM
hahaha, i'd still give it to Bonaparte

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09-09-2009, 01:34 AM
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DR. NICK RIVIERA
09-09-2009, 05:38 AM
I thought this was a thread about Sarkozy, the french midget.

Jedrek
09-09-2009, 05:49 AM
Genghis Khan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Genghis_Khan.jpg

Tage
09-09-2009, 09:06 AM
Atilla the Hun :yes:

Dr. Simon Hurt
09-09-2009, 09:25 AM
Alexander?

Are we basing this on ambition or scale?

In terms of scale and ambition, tsa's probably right.

Jedrek
09-09-2009, 09:29 AM
Is there anyone who knows some interesting stories about general Lasalle ?? He's my favourite person from all the generals in this Napoleonic wars period ;-)

I know the one when he entered on a party (on what he wasn't invited) riding a horse. He also danced a minuet on it ( obviously drunk ) That was in Spain i think

MENES
09-09-2009, 09:49 AM
Genghis Khan went harder I agree, dude was a beast of the plains

THE MASON
09-09-2009, 11:22 AM
there are plenty of people who went harder then Napolean, he fucked up heavy.

Took an L in Egypt and a very big L in Russia and was hard pressed to manage his controlled territory.

Ghengis Khan controlled %75 of the known world during his time, plus maintained civil order until his passing, Attila the Hun conquered most of Europe, Julius Caeser controlled all of Europe and more, Alexander ventured further into Asia more then any European. Montazuma's Aztecs held a large portion of Central America.

Do tha Knowledge.

TSA
09-09-2009, 11:25 AM
I give it to Napoleon over Ghengis cause Napoleon basically turned a france that was steeped in disorder riot and revolution into 1 giant army, and went straight to niggas necks.

then when they finally beat him they arrest him and send him to an island.


he turns the prisoners on the island into an army, kills of the guards, escapes, goes back to France and starts all over again, right where he left off.

that's hard.

Ghengis is an acceptable and understandable answer though

Dr. Simon Hurt
09-09-2009, 11:27 AM
^^^genghis khan controlled 75% of the "known world" that's the key phrase---the world as it was known to his culture at that time, not the world itself, which is a key distinction between the ancient conquerors and bonaparte...he had the benefit of much more advanced weaponry, and cartographical and geographical knowledge that simply wasn't available or known in earlier times.

but you're right, he lost in russia and egypt for sure, and was not good at maintaining control.

THE MASON
09-09-2009, 11:31 AM
I dont hate on Napoleon, he did good, i jsut think he gets too much credit. But yes TSA you are right, he did bring about civil order to France, especially after there fucked up Revolution.

But Ghengis had to merge warring tribes, that hadnt seen peace for thousands of years and never had an established form of "government". Napoleon took something that was there and made it his own.

THE MASON
09-09-2009, 11:34 AM
and Pan, Ghengis known world was a growing one, i agree but he ventured out of that and made worlds known, that was my point, i should have made that clear, to him China was the only threat, as well as the Tartars(Southern Russia). After he conquered those nations, he ventured into territory unknown, such as Persia

TSA
09-09-2009, 11:36 AM
good points, it looks in ghengis did indeed go the hardest in history.

n napoleon technically won in egypt, its when he tried to go into syria that he over extended himself, went strait to france and started doing le damn thang.

THE MASON
09-09-2009, 11:41 AM
word, this is probably the most focused Gen chat thread i have ever seen lol

Dr. Simon Hurt
09-09-2009, 11:48 AM
^^^ok i see your point on the "growing world" and unification of warring elements...

THE MASON
09-09-2009, 12:08 PM
good points, it looks in ghengis did indeed go the hardest in history.

n napoleon technically won in egypt, its when he tried to go into syria that he over extended himself, went strait to france and started doing le damn thang.

fair enough.

lol @ le damn thang

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-09-2009, 02:13 PM
Hmmm who went harder.

Frederick the Great.

Even Napoleon thought so.

When N came victorious to his grave in Prussia he told his generals "If this man was still alive we wouldn't be here today."

Frederick was just as awesome, and did a lot with a lottttt less. He held off the Russians for six years before they gave up.

RUSSIA GAVE UP FIRST!!! THAT NEVER FUCKING HAPPENS!!! HONESTLY! NAME ANOTHER TIME RUSSIA SURRENDERED! (WWI Doesn't count to the formality of a civil war occuring)

Bobby Budknickers
09-09-2009, 02:17 PM
does Afghanistan count?


and they didn't surrender, but they got the shit kicked out of them by the Finns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War


Casualties and losses

Finland

25,904 dead or missing
43,557 wounded
1,000 captured
957 civilians in air raids
20-30 tanks
61 aircraft

Russia

84,994–126,875 dead or missing
248,090–264,908 wounded
5,486 captured
2,000+ tanks (destroyed, damaged, captured, etc.)
1,000 aircraft (estimated)

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-09-2009, 02:34 PM
Afghanistan doesn't count because its impossible.

Finland would though. I always forget how hard they go. One of their soldiers killed like 500 Ruskies confirmed and probably more using a fucking bolt action rifle, no scope IIRC.

Jedrek
09-09-2009, 02:52 PM
read this

The next day Lasalle and his troops marched to the fortress of Stettin. He prepared to attack the fortress though extremely outnumbered and despite the fact that many of his men were armed with fake wooden carbines due to their low amount of resources. Stettin was well defended with extensive fortifications to protect them from their enemies and a garrison of 6,000-10,000 experienced soldiers, not raw recruits, together with 120-300 guns. In the port, there were several ships of the Royal Navy, the great supplier of arms, ammunition, uniforms and subsidies to the Prussian Army. Lasalle ordered his men to cut down numerous trees and paint them black to look as if they were cannons. As everyone was about to retire for the night on 29 October 1806 the shrill sound of a trumpet was suddenly heard within the fortress. It was undoubtedly a messenger who had been sent to negotiate.

Shortly afterwards, General von Romberg was informed of the arrival of a French officer, Colonel François-Xavier Schwartz, commanding the 5th Hussars under General Lasalle. The Military Governor, General von Romberg, was an old soldier and a veteran of Rossbach, the Prussian victory over the French in 1757. “I’ve been sent by my superior, the Grand Duke of Berg, who summons you to surrender to him tomorrow morning. You will be granted the honors of war.” Not forgetting he was Prussian, von Romberg immediately retorted, “Tell your master that the town of Stettin was entrusted to my safeguard and that I shall defend it to my last man.” An hour later, the same messenger returned with another, more precise and far more alarming ultimatum. “If, by 8 a.m. you have not surrendered, the town will be bombarded by our artillery, stormed by 50,000 men, the garrison will be put to the sword and the town will be plundered during twenty-four hours.” 10,000 Prussians surrendered to 500 hussars. It was Lasalle’s greatest bluff which made him enormously famous and a national hero.

Dr. Simon Hurt
09-09-2009, 03:06 PM
^^^interesting read
repped


doeeeng le damn theeng

Steve Urkel
09-09-2009, 03:37 PM
Uqba ibn Nafi

Olive Oil Goombah
09-09-2009, 04:29 PM
Tamerlane aka Timur Lenk, Timur the Lame

THE MASON
09-09-2009, 05:01 PM
Tamerlane is another good one, he claims blood to ghengis though, which shows that Ghengis had more power even in death, it was symbolic to have that claim making Tamerlane that much more famous and go that much harder

Olive Oil Goombah
09-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Tamerlane had the Ottoman Empire under his foot. No small task.

Poor Bayezid

Bobby Budknickers
09-09-2009, 05:47 PM
Tamerlane is another good one, he claims blood to ghengis though, which shows that Ghengis had more power even in death, it was symbolic to have that claim making Tamerlane that much more famous and go that much harder
i read that to this day, around 1 in 200 men worldwide are related to genghis khan.

dude wins as the most go hard dude in the history of the world IMO.

spiggity_ace
09-09-2009, 06:01 PM
Afghanistan doesn't count because its impossible.

Finland would though. I always forget how hard they go. One of their soldiers killed like 500 Ruskies confirmed and probably more using a fucking bolt action rifle, no scope IIRC.

yea i remember that guy, he sat in a tree and they couldnt kill him even though they tried so hard his name was simon hayha or samuel hayha or something he was a beast

SID
09-10-2009, 07:21 AM
Napoleon was a badman, the guy was respected by his enemies they dident kill him, that says something about the man himself.

In terms of territory he dident hold the most, but he gained it very fast.

Napoleon is best known for his strategic prowess, the guy was a wizard with war and strategy .