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TSA
10-07-2009, 03:39 PM
my top 5

1. WWII
2. Neapolionic Wars
3. Crimean War
4. 100 years war
5. Battle of Adwa

SID
10-07-2009, 03:52 PM
http://i37.tinypic.com/5cjg1s.jpg

Olive Oil Goombah
10-07-2009, 04:05 PM
World War I

battle....hmm...Either the Somme or the Third Battle of Ypres, Passchendaele

Steve Urkel
10-07-2009, 04:16 PM
The British-American war of 1812.

Prince Rai
10-07-2009, 04:20 PM
ww2...

incredible how "recent"ish that was.

Olive Oil Goombah
10-07-2009, 05:48 PM
world war 2 did have it all....

I mean you got the classic good vs evil, then you got 3 distinct and different forms of govt., the greatest and most evil leaders, great generals on all sides. Throw in the SS and the Holocaust, the A-Bomb, great naval, land and air battles.

I mean Roosevelt, Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Tojo, Hirohito, Patton, Eisenhower, Montgomery, Rommel, MacArthur, Zhubov, Guderian, Himmler, Heydrich, Goering, Goebbels, Marshall, Conningham, Bradley.
D-Day, Iwo Jima, Battle of Britain, Stalingrad, Leningrad, Battle of the Bulge, Kasserine Pass, Midway, Philipines, Operation Barbarossa.

seriously, this war had everything, and it was my favorite, but World WAR 1 takes the cake now because trench warfare was so fucking raw.

its like, i just read TSA's post where he said certain music was too polished. Sometimes WW2 is too polished.
No radio, primitive minimal usage of tanks and airplanes....just straight barbed wire, trenches, mud and machine guns.
Primitive medical treatments and plastic surgery....gas attacks.
Basically fighting over nothing.

Verdun, the Somme, Ypres,

I visited a whole bunch of WWI sites while in europe. I really should post some pictures.

It was were Hitler, Patton, Mussolini and co. got their start. It was the war that spurned world war 2, and created the Lost Generation.
The music and poetry that came out of it was unmatched, a war fought by the upperclass, especially within Britain.

The first 'modern' war, SHELL SHOCK.

If your into wars and you love WW2, im tellin you, learn your WW1 history.

check two
10-07-2009, 06:01 PM
World War III.

Senator C. Palantine
10-07-2009, 06:18 PM
Vietnam, just for the music.

Prince Rai
10-07-2009, 06:26 PM
world war 2 did have it all....

I mean you got the classic good vs evil, then you got 3 distinct and different forms of govt., the greatest and most evil leaders, great generals on all sides. Throw in the SS and the Holocaust, the A-Bomb, great naval, land and air battles.

I mean Roosevelt, Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Tojo, Hirohito, Patton, Eisenhower, Montgomery, Rommel, MacArthur, Zhubov, Guderian, Himmler, Heydrich, Goering, Goebbels, Marshall, Conningham, Bradley.
D-Day, Iwo Jima, Battle of Britain, Stalingrad, Leningrad, Battle of the Bulge, Kasserine Pass, Midway, Philipines, Operation Barbarossa.

seriously, this war had everything, and it was my favorite, but World WAR 1 takes the cake now because trench warfare was so fucking raw.

its like, i just read TSA's post where he said certain music was too polished. Sometimes WW2 is too polished.
No radio, primitive minimal usage of tanks and airplanes....just straight barbed wire, trenches, mud and machine guns.
Primitive medical treatments and plastic surgery....gas attacks.
Basically fighting over nothing.

Verdun, the Somme, Ypres,

I visited a whole bunch of WWI sites while in europe. I really should post some pictures.

It was were Hitler, Patton, Mussolini and co. got their start. It was the war that spurned world war 2, and created the Lost Generation.
The music and poetry that came out of it was unmatched, a war fought by the upperclass, especially within Britain.

The first 'modern' war, SHELL SHOCK.

If your into wars and you love WW2, im tellin you, learn your WW1 history.

funny thing when you learn more about the intricate details of ww1 and how ww2 started..... you seem to perhaps consider that ww2 wasn't really a second world war, but a continuation of the first. (treaty of versailles)

TheBoarzHeadBoy
10-07-2009, 06:36 PM
I've always been a fan of wars that pit societies at different levels of advancement against one another.

For example the battle of Nagashino is a classic example of the power of guns against the more traditional cavalry charge of knights as is the battle of Golden Spurs for pikes.

My favorite example being the Anglo-Zulu Wars especially Islanslwana and the following miracle at Rorke's Drift. A stunning loss and victory for the history books.

TSA
10-07-2009, 09:07 PM
I agree with touch only i really hate WWI.

it was just wack and stupid and nothing inspirational. If you looking for RAW shitty war then Crimea is the shit.

around the time its when nationalism was peaking and warfare modernizing, and not like WWI modernizing, like the first week of modern warfare modernizing and it was the first time in europe that the combatants realized you can no longer fight war at the whims of ego and heroism, that it was a costly and ultimately fatal route.

I like it for the reasons touch says he likes WWI only it was even grimier and im a fan of winter wars. maybe because of winter warz.


i also like how its a hidden gem in the european war archive the many don't remember or know about but it went hard.


I've come to realize that WWII and WWI as well as the crimea and almost all the wars in europe prior have in the end been battles to inherit the 'throne' of europe that rome once had. Its obvious the western society is built almost entirely on a fixation with the rome that once colonized them, WWII put an end to it all cause it knocked everyone out of the running except Russia and the US which i see as symbolic of Byzantine where Russia gets its cultural influence and Rome where the Us gets its influence and the split between them.



but even back to Napoleon further back to Charlemenge(sp?) its really been a battle to be the next Roman Empire.

TSA
10-07-2009, 09:11 PM
I've always been a fan of wars that pit societies at different levels of advancement against one another.

For example the battle of Nagashino is a classic example of the power of guns against the more traditional cavalry charge of knights as is the battle of Golden Spurs for pikes.

My favorite example being the Anglo-Zulu Wars especially Islanslwana and the following miracle at Rorke's Drift. A stunning loss and victory for the history books.
the anglo zulu war is amazing.
i would rank the Zulus for their level of development as the greatest warriors of all time. feel free to argue.


they moved so fast, on foot, the the british army counted each individual as cavalry and the heroics behind the story of their last stand is ill.

had they not been isolated from the mediterranian and thus access to the times technology i believe the zulu would have built and empire to rival the roman one.

JerseyIronman
10-07-2009, 09:28 PM
but even back to Napoleon further back to Charlemenge(sp?) its really been a battle to be the next Roman Empire.

The funny thing about the Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire

Sorry i just read that quote the other day and wanted to write somewhere before i forgot.


I think WWI was pretty bad ass with the trench warfare and the beginning of aviation in combat and the intruduction of the machine gun. Completely fucked up wakeup call about where warfare was going.

WWII will always be the most epic though.

Also what about the Phoenician wars?? Hannibal bringing ELEPHANTS over the alps and shit!

Olive Oil Goombah
10-07-2009, 09:30 PM
funny thing when you learn more about the intricate details of ww1 and how ww2 started..... you seem to perhaps consider that ww2 wasn't really a second world war, but a continuation of the first. (treaty of versailles)



Absolutely. you could almost call it the 30 year war, or if you really want to get technical, the 60 year war, as its seeds were really planted during the Franco Prussian War, when Germany threw off the balance of power in Europe and smacked France in the face.

I agree with touch only i really hate WWI.

it was just wack and stupid and nothing inspirational.

I like it for the reasons touch says he likes WWI only it was even grimier and im a fan of winter wars. maybe because of winter warz.
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THe thing is, there was inspiration...and you have to factor in the mindset of the time. A unified, strong German state scared the shit out of France.

And really, the thing about World War 1 is that none of these places really knew what they were getting into, and all of its participants kept it hush hush about the horrors.

The young were being led into a modern war by the old who still had romanticized Napoleonic versions of cavalry charges and hand to hand combat.

The literature is amazing. DARYL, i thought the same thing until i learned about it. Because the US didnt play a big role, it kind of gets boring.

Rent the movie The Trench and check out Regeneration, All Quiet on the Western Front.




I've come to realize that WWII and WWI as well as the crimea and almost all the wars in europe prior have in the end been battles to inherit the 'throne' of europe that rome once had. Its obvious the western society is built almost entirely on a fixation with the rome that once colonized them, WWII put an end to it all cause it knocked everyone out of the running except Russia and the US which i see as symbolic of Byzantine where Russia gets its cultural influence and Rome where the Us gets its influence and the split between them.



but even back to Napoleon further back to Charlemenge(sp?) its really been a battle to be the next Roman Empire.

This is 100% true...Study the early middle ages to see its inception....I think Caesar, maybe not him, but i cant remember, but anyway, he wrote about the Gallic peoples...those living in modern day france at the time....its interesting to get his perspective on the tribes of northern europe.

But yes, in order to understand alot of what went on in Europe during the two world wars, you can trace it right back to that.

I believe when Charlemagne died he split his kindgdom amongst his three sons. I forget their names, its been awhile since that class. But these were the beginnings of the formations of what would become the states.

Then, over timee Europe becomes more and more fragmented. Even today, you still have groups fighting for autonomy and statehood

TSA
10-07-2009, 09:59 PM
nobody wanted a strong germany. France didn't cause they're get ethered (and did) Britain didn't cause at germans maximum extent it will inevitably be stronger larger and more powerful then england and the russians didn't cause in order for germany to reach god status they would have to exercise significant dominion over eastern europe which would be default end russias god body.



Crimea was dope imo cause it was the real end of the ottoman empire and beginning of the scramble to fill the void. Russia needed it cause the ottomans were the only thing keeping russia from the world due to location, the germans needed it cause they needed to control eastern europe to be powerful, the british didn't want the germans to gain power or did the french out of fear.





also NICKY TOOUCH what did ceasar say about the gauls? i've read some stuff and didn't know if you heard anything different

i heard that the gauls were the least trust worthy people on earth and that the huns would warm meat with the heat of their thighs, the celts were constantly fragmented and fighting endlessly though really brave, and they all worshipped 'hermes' which was their interpretation of Thor due to the horned helmet.

Longbongcilvaringz
10-07-2009, 10:14 PM
Any war in which the underdog succeeding in some form.

Pretty much any instance where the aggressors experiences disproportionate casualties and generally got destroyed.

If it's the US in this position, that's even better.

Aside from that, i think people who are "into war" are fucking weird.

No offense Nicky.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
10-07-2009, 10:16 PM
No need to argue about the Zulus. If the Zulus were given half the weaponry that other cultures had Shaka would have been the God Emperor of an almost united africa. I imagine his race would rule most of the southern half of the continent, and that's world empire shit right there.

I mean the level of fanatic training those guys had was something disturbingly Laconian.

Though the Brits did them in just as hard at Rorkes Drift. I did the math, 1 in about 12 of the soldiers who held that mission got the victoria cross. Thats insane. Name a battle where the US gave Medals of Honor to 1 in 12 men.

Astounding fighting skill.

I agree though on the Roman thing. The United States has taken Republican Rome, Russia the Byzantine Empire. The Brits got the True Blue (err... Purple/Red) Roman Empire. Then they through it away...

TSA
10-07-2009, 11:22 PM
they found fossils of zulu warriors and their feet were as hard as hoves from running so much. the bone had reformed and swollen so much that a kick from one could kill you.

the only think that stopped their expansion was shaka loosing his god damn mind.


another great in africa you will never hear about is Sonni Ali.

He conquered an empire larger then western europe and the largest empire in african history on some serious ghengis khan shit. Ironically was destroying mosques and was an atheist but the empire he built would become Songhai which was very islamic and spread islam in nw. africa.
nigga went hard.

NIGHT MAYOR
10-08-2009, 12:57 AM
war: vietnam - the spirit of the north vietnamese is a testiment to the saying "its not the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog"
http://www.edupics.com/en-coloring-pictures-pages-photo-vietcong-p8334.jpg

battle: eureka stockade - even tho the good side lost the whole idea of workers fighting the british is a beautiful statement, and also the fact that people of different backgrounds/countries got together to fight a common evil.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Doudiet_Swearing_allegiance_to_the_Southern_Cross. jpg

Prince Rai
10-08-2009, 07:14 AM
can't wait for COD Modern Warfare 2

cap
10-08-2009, 12:52 PM
i have always wondered about this...
what was WW1 all about?
i know it started because of the death of a head of state in eastern europe, but can someone tell me in plain and simple english what it was for? was it just to gain land?

dont go copying wiki either...

TheBoarzHeadBoy
10-08-2009, 03:27 PM
It was a spark of a powder keg of bad sentiments.

Terrorists killed the crown prince of a major empire. someone had to pay. The counterstrike resembles our modern invasion of afghanistan. Taliban weren't the cause, but they got fucked in the search for bad people.

Russia however told Austria it can't invade a country in search of a few people. Russia was supposed to have Serbia's back so they declared war on Austria. Austria called up its allies germany and some other minor nations. The french and brits jumped in for the Russians and it quickly spiraled well out of hand. No one was planning a major war, it was expected to be a quick slap on the nose to Austria by the allies, and the germans/austrians/huns wanted to tell Russia and its allies to mind their damn business. Ultimately pride was at stake as was the idea that the winner might get a benefit from the fight such as money or land treaties. Then it got really bloody really fast and any hopes at resolution vanished. Everyone went in for the long haul and it was going to get really wild. The ottomans teamed up with the germans if I recall in order to get some pressure of them from the russians and brits who pushed from opposite sides and began breaking up their empire.

Eventually the US jumped in a bit. There were some colonial conflicts all over the world and a lot of people got fucked over. I wouldn't really call it a world war, "The Great War" sums it up better IMO.

That's my simplification of it.

Steve Urkel
10-08-2009, 03:45 PM
Aside from that, i think people who are "into war" are fucking weird.

No offense Nicky.


Co sign. The whole time I was reading Tooch's post I was like is this wigga for real?

Art Vandelay
10-08-2009, 03:57 PM
1. american revolution
2. civil war
3 french and indian/ 7 years war (the real world war I)

HANZO
10-08-2009, 04:07 PM
WW1 was raw, but im not a fan considering we lost out empire and got shafted from every angle.

in terms of wars
Rome - Carthage
Mongol - China, Persia and Russia.
The Crusades
Ottoman - Byzantine
Ottoman - Habsburg
Ottoman - Safavid
Ottoman - Holy league (all naval battles)

TSA
10-08-2009, 05:49 PM
Han what role did the ottomans play in the crusades?

i know little to nothing about ottoman history.
Co sign. The whole time I was reading Tooch's post I was like is this wigga for real?
why? WWII is the greatest story ever told if your not an emotional queef.
ever told
it has everything that makes a perfect story only on the largest scale of all time and happened in real life

PALEFORCE
10-08-2009, 05:50 PM
god vs the devil

Senator C. Palantine
10-08-2009, 05:53 PM
anyone been watching World War 2: The Apocalypse on tuesday nights?

Olive Oil Goombah
10-08-2009, 06:31 PM
nobody wanted a strong germany. France didn't cause they're get ethered (and did) Britain didn't cause at germans maximum extent it will inevitably be stronger larger and more powerful then england and the russians didn't cause in order for germany to reach god status they would have to exercise significant dominion over eastern europe which would be default end russias god body.



Crimea was dope imo cause it was the real end of the ottoman empire and beginning of the scramble to fill the void. Russia needed it cause the ottomans were the only thing keeping russia from the world due to location, the germans needed it cause they needed to control eastern europe to be powerful, the british didn't want the germans to gain power or did the french out of fear.





also NICKY TOOUCH what did ceasar say about the gauls? i've read some stuff and didn't know if you heard anything different

i heard that the gauls were the least trust worthy people on earth and that the huns would warm meat with the heat of their thighs, the celts were constantly fragmented and fighting endlessly though really brave, and they all worshipped 'hermes' which was their interpretation of Thor due to the horned helmet.

I read it in college and i forget the name of the piece, but it was very interesting. he just described how they were and their customs. Very interesting piece. I'll try to find it for you.

Any war in which the underdog succeeding in some form.

Pretty much any instance where the aggressors experiences disproportionate casualties and generally got destroyed.

If it's the US in this position, that's even better.

Aside from that, i think people who are "into war" are fucking weird.

No offense Nicky.


Its not surprising. You are a very liberal minded person, hence the rooting for the 'underdog' and the preconcieved notions about people who have an interest in history and military history.
I would assume your somewhat of an underdog yourself?

i have always wondered about this...
what was WW1 all about?
i know it started because of the death of a head of state in eastern europe, but can someone tell me in plain and simple english what it was for? was it just to gain land?

dont go copying wiki either...

You call yourself a fucking European???

Han what role did the ottomans play in the crusades?

i know little to nothing about ottoman history.

why? WWII is the greatest story ever told if your not an emotional queef.
ever told
it has everything that makes a perfect story only on the largest scale of all time and happened in real life

Ottoman History is pretty impressive, espeically the early sultans up to Mehmed the Conqueror.

Olive Oil Goombah
10-08-2009, 06:35 PM
war: vietnam - the spirit of the north vietnamese is a testiment to the saying "its not the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog"
http://www.edupics.com/en-coloring-pictures-pages-photo-vietcong-p8334.jpg



Eh, i agree and disagree because the Americans were fighting with one, pretty much two arms self-tied behind their own backs.

You do realize that they did not have any military operation in NOrth Vietnam? The plan was just to keep South Vietnam away from the communists.

I dont kno if your familiar with American football, but that is what we call playing a 'prevent defense', and most of the time, when you are playing not to lose instead of playing to win, you handicap yourself.

Had the US gone full force into North Vietnam with the intent of destroying Ho Chi Minh, I believe they would have beens successful in doing so.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
10-08-2009, 08:18 PM
certainly

the problem was it wasnt a war, it was a conlict, we never faught properly in it.

Plus they gave it to westmoreland. Had Abrams gotten it from the start we'd be looking a two vietnams (or all democratic)