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TSA
10-16-2009, 02:33 PM
ppl act like nazism is the worst thing that have ever been done by humanity, and its often cited as the definition of human wickedness.

but there has been, even during the duration of WWII, greater sytematic mass killings.

another odd thing about reflection on the holocaust is the emphasis on the jews.

Nazi's wanted to completely rid poland of human beings, and more russians were killed then all allied armies and jooz combine. but we rarely sympathize for the poles and russians who got it worst as much as we do for the joos.


also, the rape of nanking goes totally ignored cause its almost the exact same thing where 6 million chinese were killed and many more raped and sonned.

then there's manifest destiny, which as little as we like to admit it was a full blown massacre where indians were hunted for sport.

then they did that shit in australia

then the arabs to africans in north africa

then the russians to even MORE joos AFTER the holocaust


but we always want to paint nazis and germany as the bad guy, the guys that did something our societies aren't cunt enough to do.
problem is we have done them, on a greater scale most of the time, even canada :can:.



shit's real.

whitey
10-16-2009, 02:46 PM
ppl act like nazism is the worst thing that have ever been done by humanity, and its often cited as the definition of human wickedness.

but there has been, even during the duration of WWII, greater sytematic mass killings.

another odd thing about reflection on the holocaust is the emphasis on the jews.

Nazi's wanted to completely rid poland of human beings, and more russians were killed then all allied armies and jooz combine. but we rarely sympathize for the poles and russians who got it worst as much as we do for the joos.


also, the rape of nanking goes totally ignored cause its almost the exact same thing where 6 million chinese were killed and many more raped and sonned.

then there's manifest destiny, which as little as we like to admit it was a full blown massacre where indians were hunted for sport.

then they did that shit in australia

then the arabs to africans in north africa

then the russians to even MORE joos AFTER the holocaust


but we always want to paint nazis and germany as the bad guy, the guys that did something our societies aren't cunt enough to do.
problem is we have done them, on a greater scale most of the time, even canada :can:.



shit's real.


not true. with the american gov at the time there really was no other way to deal with them. they did not fit into american culture. they're culture was going to have to die and they could try and live as americans, or they could leave and go out west. they had a choice, as shitty as it was. but it wasnt as bad as the holocaust, not even close.


stuff that the nazis did to the jews were disgusting. the science experiements were some of the most whicked shit ive ever read about. how they killed them, just the over all evilness in their direction is just on an unprecedented level.

beautifulrock
10-16-2009, 02:48 PM
not true. with the american gov at the time there really was no other way to deal with them. they did not fit into american culture. they're culture was going to have to die and they could try and live as americans, or they could leave and go out west. they had a choice, as shitty as it was. but it wasnt as bad as the holocaust, not even close.


stuff that the nazis did to the jews were disgusting. the science experiements were some of the most whicked shit ive ever read about. how they killed them, just the over all evilness in their direction is just on an unprecedented level.....and then we ushered those same scientists quietly out of Germany to America (project paperclip) and they proceeded to help build the atomic bomb.

TSA
10-16-2009, 02:49 PM
damn, an estimate is saying that japan killed up to 53 million asian civilians. Nazis around 30ish million

Shogah
10-16-2009, 02:53 PM
Yeah Japs are crazy

TSA
10-16-2009, 02:58 PM
not true. with the american gov at the time there really was no other way to deal with them. they did not fit into american culture. they're culture was going to have to die and they could try and live as americans, or they could leave and go out west. they had a choice, as shitty as it was.
what the FUCK lmao!

but it wasnt as bad as the holocaust, not even close.
WHAT?!

stuff that the nazis did to the jews were disgusting. the science experiements were some of the most whicked shit ive ever read about. how they killed them, just the over all evilness in their direction is just on an unprecedented level.
dude, there was 300 million indians on this continent, now theres my friend Raymond and his sister. there's absolutely no comparison, manifest destiny was the holocaust with less technology and an extended period of time.



manifest destiny way literally the same thing as the holocaust in mentality only far superior in scale. Americans also conducted experiments on indians forced them into circus, even slavery till they found out negroes would have a harder time blending in if they escape and more experience on farms.

the holocaust has be sold to you in a neatly bundled package cause the west wants someone to point the finger and say that's the bad guy, but assess nazism and general western thought at that time


in common
1. the belief that whites were superior
2. the believe that whites with light hair and blues eyes were the most superior
3. the belief that the killing and enslavement of other races makes sense cause they're inferior and its natural selection
4. the belief that for living space you must kill off inferior races and occupy their land
5. the believe that superior races must control inferior races if they are to advance
6. the belief that non whites weren't as human as whites.
7. belief that germany is the shit
8. mixing races is bad mmkay

differences
1. nazis gave better speeches.



all of this applies to manifest destiny. hitlers goal was to give germans the living space they, due to racial and cultural superiority, deserved and 'needed'. manifest destiny's goal was to give americans the living space they, due to racial and cultural superiority, deserved and 'needed'. In the end its the same shit, only the holocaust didn't see half as many ppl systematically die.

Teh KillaBee
10-16-2009, 03:00 PM
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TSA
10-16-2009, 03:03 PM
i think japan's particular brutality to china was almost freudian in nature. japan was on a desperate and rather pathetic quest to rid itself of everything asian about itself due to a serious inferiority complex. what's more asian then china?

china has been the source of almost all of japans culture since the beginning and has always been superior to japan until the meiji restoration, i think the rape of nanking was japans chance to kill its father and rape its mom.

the fact that they were so particularly brutal to chinese is trippeh.

TSA
10-16-2009, 03:04 PM
To determine the treatment of frostbite, prisoners were taken outside in freezing weather and left with exposed arms, periodically drenched with water until frozen solid. The arm was later amputated; the doctor would repeat the process on the victim’s upper arm to the shoulder. After both arms were gone, the doctors moved on to the legs until only a head and torso remained. The victim was then used for plague and pathogens experiments


EloelZ! ow3nd!

TSA
10-16-2009, 03:08 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Nanjing_Massacre_severed_heads.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Nanjing_Massacre_severed_heads.jpg)

In some cases, flesh was cut from living people: another Indian POW, Lance Naik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Naik) Hatam Ali (later a citizen of Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan)), testified that in New Guinea:
the Japanese started selecting prisoners and every day one prisoner was taken out and killed and eaten by the soldiers. I personally saw this happen and about 100 prisoners were eaten at this place by the Japanese. The remainder of us were taken to another spot 50 miles [80 km] away where 10 prisoners died of sickness. At this place, the Japanese again started selecting prisoners to eat. Those selected were taken to a hut where their flesh was cut from their bodies while they were alive and they were thrown into a ditch where they later died.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#cite_note-46)


DAMN!

Fuuuuuuuuuuck!


i would also like to add that american settlers engaged in the same cannibalism to native americans

and so it doesn't become a race thing, bantus (your type of black) did the same thing to pygmys (another type of black) in africa as some reports say.

Teh KillaBee
10-16-2009, 03:36 PM
hmm, wonder what they tasted like

whitey
10-16-2009, 04:33 PM
dude, there was 300 million indians on this continent, now theres my friend Raymond and his sister. there's absolutely no comparison, manifest destiny was the holocaust with less technology and an extended period of time.



manifest destiny way literally the same thing as the holocaust in mentality only far superior in scale. Americans also conducted experiments on indians forced them into circus, even slavery till they found out negroes would have a harder time blending in if they escape and more experience on farms.

the holocaust has be sold to you in a neatly bundled package cause the west wants someone to point the finger and say that's the bad guy, but assess nazism and general western thought at that time


in common
1. the belief that whites were superior
2. the believe that whites with light hair and blues eyes were the most superior
3. the belief that the killing and enslavement of other races makes sense cause they're inferior and its natural selection
4. the belief that for living space you must kill off inferior races and occupy their land
5. the believe that superior races must control inferior races if they are to advance
6. the belief that non whites weren't as human as whites.
7. belief that germany is the shit
8. mixing races is bad mmkay

differences
1. nazis gave better speeches.



all of this applies to manifest destiny. hitlers goal was to give germans the living space they, due to racial and cultural superiority, deserved and 'needed'. manifest destiny's goal was to give americans the living space they, due to racial and cultural superiority, deserved and 'needed'. In the end its the same shit, only the holocaust didn't see half as many ppl systematically die.

couple things.

americas early foreign polcies were based on racism? noooo shit. why do you think we didn't annex mexico, peurto rico, haiti, cuba or any other place populated by dark skinned peoples?

however the polices dealing with native americans werent done in a direct attempt to exterminate at any cost, unlike nazis to jews. american policy makers at the time wanted indian land for white settlers. they couldnt have dark skinned peoples just living on good farm land in pockets sourounded by whites. it just wouldnt have worked, so they did the only thing they could have done in the times, force their transformation to americans or kick them out.

3 and 4 are harsh over statements.

native americans actually had slaves.

americans never did this shit to indians... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Medical_Experiments

and brock you are way off. the lot of scientist we brought in were defector jews that didnt want to die in a gas chamber.

TSA
10-16-2009, 04:50 PM
couple things.

americas early foreign polcies were based on racism? noooo shit. why do you think we didn't annex mexico, peurto rico, haiti, cuba or any other place populated by dark skinned peoples?
are you sarcastically trying to prove my point to me? i wasn't saying it like a new discovery, i just stated the obvious and you disagreed, then you agreed sarcastically.

however the polices dealing with native americans werent done in a direct attempt to exterminate at any cost, unlike nazis to jews. american policy makers at the time wanted indian land for white settlers. they couldnt have dark skinned peoples just living on good farm land in pockets sourounded by whites. it just wouldnt have worked, so they did the only thing they could have done in the times, force their transformation to americans or kick them out.

3 and 4 are harsh over statements.

native americans actually had slaves.

americans never did this shit to indians... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Medical_Experiments

and brock you are way off. the lot of scientist we brought in were defector jews that didnt want to die in a gas chamber.
nigga. wtf lol.


dude, are you saying the extermination of indians was justified cause 'indians being alive wasn't to white ppls fancy'

they systematically killed indians, this isn't a point im just trying to make its a fact know by everyone alive except you. there was a direct attempt to exterminate them, get them off the land and/or white em up towards the end.

whats the difference between small pox blankets and a gas chamber? the method of systematically and deliberately trying to kill someone?
they're still systematically and deliberately trying to kill someone, for the same motives as the nazis, hence my every obvious universally known point.

whitey
10-16-2009, 05:00 PM
where did i ever say it wasnt a racist policy?

you brought it up like it was some secret i wasnt aware of. as you commonly do, trying to show off your smarts.

sure there were cases of "biological warfare" (which you are severly overestimating. most of that was going on during the indian wars, which when you war with someone your goal is to kill them) but more of the dieing due to disease was just from common contact with europeans and while trading. you dont need to give someone a blanket with measles on it if you just have it and are talking to them or eating with them, especially when they dont have any immunitive defenses built up to it.

if they just were about exterminating the civilization why even give them land (crappy as it may be) out west for them to go to to get them out of eastern territories?

TSA
10-16-2009, 05:09 PM
how could you trade and purposely infected blanket with someone your at war with?

they wanted their land and they wanted them gone, when that called for raids of villages to exterminate ppl, they did it, when that called for biological warfare, they did it, when that called for killing off their source of food to starve them to death, they did it, when it boiled down to killing the niggas they killed them, so much so that i can say there used to by 300 million indians on this continent (about the population of the whole US today) and now there's 3 and not be too far from the reality of things.


nazis had the advantage of technology but that's the difference
in the end they were killing ppl of a different culture out of racial hatred and a want for more land and power.


did the americans give indians land, yeah, reservations, but reservations are modeled after concentration camps in germany (true story, kid you not), and nazis gave jews ghettos

the only reason you think the jewish holocaust, which saw 3% of the ppl that died in north america die in nazi germany, is cause the jewish holocaust is marketed better for political reason as the worst thing ever, but there's been way worst.

waaaaaaaaaaaaay worst.

TSA
10-16-2009, 05:12 PM
unless you really think 300 million ppl dwindled to 1,152,950 because of bad land.

HANZO
10-16-2009, 05:13 PM
never knew the Japs went that hard in WW2.

We Turks are accused of loads of Genocides, along with other mass murders and the enslaving of millions of europeans. |)

There are alot of events in history which are overlooked so the western powers can point the finger at someone and call them evil. The British have alot to answer for but no one will ever say anything, same goes for the French. nobody will recall what they did in North Africa. Lets not forget about Stalin killing millions as well, the Spanish and Portuguese have their fair share to answer for to.

Point im making is that you cant really say which event was humanities worst, there is alot of hidden shit, and the ppl who point fingers at others for being evil have done far worst shit in their past.

SL33
10-16-2009, 05:25 PM
@ TSA:

thank you for mentioning the rape of Nanking and the russian losses.

i'd also underline aushiwitz and jasenovac.

whitey
10-16-2009, 05:25 PM
how could you trade and purposely infected blanket with someone your at war with?

they wanted their land and they wanted them gone, when that called for raids of villages to exterminate ppl, they did it, when that called for biological warfare, they did it, when that called for killing off their source of food to starve them to death, they did it, when it boiled down to killing the niggas they killed them, so much so that i can say there used to by 300 million indians on this continent (about the population of the whole US today) and now there's 3 and not be too far from the reality of things.


nazis had the advantage of technology but that's the difference
in the end they were killing ppl of a different culture out of racial hatred and a want for more land and power.


did the americans give indians land, yeah, reservations, but reservations are modeled after concentration camps in germany (true story, kid you not), and nazis gave jews ghettos

the only reason you think the jewish holocaust, which saw 3% of the ppl that died in north america die in nazi germany, is cause the jewish holocaust is marketed better for political reason as the worst thing ever, but there's been way worst.

waaaaaaaaaaaaay worst.


your combining spanish british french and american treatment of indians all into one.

im talking about americans thats your first problem.

secondly, arriving in 1492 on there was plenty of warring, and yet plenty of trading going on.

you cant comprehend that?


also reasoning for say the indian removal act was bigger than just killing indians. Georgia as a state was ready to succeed. the fed government was already not that strong, the last thing they needed was the break up of the union. it wasnt a policy to just kill indians.

the nazis had a policy to kill jews. just exterminate them.

americans had a policy to get indians off of land ment for citizens of their nation. it went on in a much regretable way, but it was not the intent of the government to kill indians for the sake of killing them. it was meant to give priority land to white americans.

big difference.

JerseyIronman
10-16-2009, 05:30 PM
unless you really think 300 million ppl dwindled to 1,152,950 because of bad land.

where did u hear there were 300 million indians??

your telling me that with out agriculture they had roughly the same population as we do today?? wikipedia says it was 54 million but i didnt look that hard:

Given the fragmentary nature of the evidence, even semi-accurate pre-Columbian population figures are impossible to obtain. Estimates are made by extrapolations from small bits of data. In 1976, geographer William Denevan used the existing estimates to derive a "consensus count" of about 54 million people. Nonetheless, more recent estimates still range widely.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_American_indigenous_peoples

Also im definitely siding with Whitey in this argument.

The settlers just wanted the indians gone where as I think the Nazi REALLY want to exterminate anyone who wasnt white. I think they would have kept going untill the whole world was aryan.

Alot of native americans died of disease just from contact with the settlers who were used to living closed together in cities and were exposed to much more disease (that they became immune to). Not because the settlers carried out some system biochemical warefare like the nazis. The Europeans just inffected the natives with all their diseases unintentionally (for the most part).

TSA
10-16-2009, 05:37 PM
no im not. they all did it, but america and canada are the only countries in the hemisphere where they seem to be almost no indians through out a VAST stretch of land.

dude, they killed them, a lot of them, so much of them that there's no more. if they were removed and relocated or whatever you would be able to point to exactly where those ppl went.

indian reservations, where like, there's 60 ppl in an area that once housed tens of millions.

if you look at the 'war' casualties they don't account for the 300% drop in population.


you think the holocaust is worst cause it was committed by an enemy of america off american soil and america 'saved the day' and you learn your history in america from americans in an american context and culture

they don't teach of the rape of nanking in japan, its a huge foreign policy issue for japan but they refuse.


remember in history class when they said white ppl killed buffalo cause the buffalo would stand in the way of trains and de-rail them?

bullshit.
like a fucking mammal is gonna stand infront of A TRAIN while it making THE NOISES A TRAIN MAKES and has EFF WORDING SMOKE SHOOTING OUT OF ITS TOP coming at them at AN UNREASONABLE SPEED and chill until it gets hit.

charge at a bison today and see how fast the nigga get out of the way.


i bet that buffalo train thing happened like twice.

what i do know is that they systematically killed buffalo, which weren't prized hunting catches cause they were too abundant, so that the indians will starve to death, and it worked. that is deliberate genocide and if they had xyclon B at the time they would have used it too. after all they did adapt the concentration camp blueprint.


do you really think that many ppl just evaporated in the heat?

GhostfaceThaPharoahe
10-16-2009, 05:40 PM
LMAO @ justifying what happened to the indians

*spelled Nanjing pronounced nanking

JerseyIronman
10-16-2009, 05:45 PM
im not justifying what happened to the Indians.

im just saying the holocaust was the greater evil.

It was WAY more premeditated where the death of the Indians had WAY more to do with unintentional exposure to diseases they have never encountered before.

TSA
10-16-2009, 05:50 PM
where did u hear there were 300 million indians??

your telling me that with out agriculture they had roughly the same population as we do today?? wikipedia says it was 54 million but i didnt look that hard:

Given the fragmentary nature of the evidence, even semi-accurate pre-Columbian population figures are impossible to obtain. Estimates are made by extrapolations from small bits of data. In 1976, geographer William Denevan used the existing estimates to derive a "consensus count" of about 54 million people. Nonetheless, more recent estimates still range widely.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_American_indigenous_peoples

Also im definitely siding with Whitey in this argument.

The settlers just wanted the indians gone where as I think the Nazi REALLY want to exterminate anyone who wasnt white. I think they would have kept going untill the whole world was aryan.

Alot of native americans died of disease just from contact with the settlers who were used to living closed together in cities and were exposed to much more disease (that they became immune to). Not because the settlers carried out some system biochemical warefare like the nazis. The Europeans just inffected the natives with all their diseases unintentionally (for the most part).

nazis didn't want everyone that wasn't white died. that's a misconception, all the races they wanted dead (slavs and joos) were even white.


they wanted all the poles dead for their land and wanted all the joos dead cause its common nature in the west prior to kill jews during tough times.


nazis just wanted to rule over the other races, the extermination part was just for those races that happened to be on the land they wanted, like americans.



tell me this.



if you really think it was accidental, then why are all the countries in this hemisphere inhabited by ppl that at least look like they have SOME indian in them and the US and Canada, the 2 countries that committed manifest destiny based genocide, inhabited by milk white young gays?


did the indians in brazil not come in contact with europeans? did the indians in mexico not come in contact with europeans? what about cuba, el salvador ect ect.

hell yeah a lot of them died accidentally cause of mere contact, but why was the mere contact with the whites in canada and america that much more potent and sweeping in its kills then the mere contact with the whites in argentina columbia and panama?

the US and Canada, frontier countries, had deliberate plans and actions aimed at genocide for land and security purposes on a scale wider then all these other countries that's why.

these deliberate acts and plans are called genocide.


we know of what happened to the aztecs.
the white nigga came, then basically for no reason, killed almost all of them in a few couple of battles, on purpose.

do you really think it just ended there? everyone else was 'told to leave' then left willingingly to somewhere they've never been and sucks and they just said 'mmkay' and got up and left and now we can't find them cause they just up and left this dimension?




the holocaust was just a technologically advanced manifest destiny.
you can't name a nazi act americans didn't commit in a reflexive way. not 1.

the propaganda
the forced removals
the raids
the child kidnapping
the keeping body parts as trophies
the mass round ups and kills
the chemical induced death
the attrition

name one.

did you know mt rushmore was selected cause in antiquity its customary to replace the site of a person you've conquer's god with your own and the mt. was a holy site for the local indians, which, i guess out of the blue, aren't there any more?




there are entire tribes that don't exist anymore.
i think the amount of tribes that still exist aren't anywere near the 100s
what if someone told you 'the french dont exist anymore'
would you really think they dont exist cause nobody deliberately killed them off? cause of bad land?

GhostfaceThaPharoahe
10-16-2009, 05:53 PM
im not justifying what happened to the Indians.

im just saying the holocaust was the greater evil.

It was WAY more premeditated where the death of the Indians had WAY more to do with unintentional exposure to diseases they have never encountered before.

the point that tsa is trying to make as far as i can see if that for all of the attention the holocaust gets, it is not as bad as other instances of genocide that get hardly any attention.

which genocide is worse is of no consequence, genocide is genocide and they should all get the same amount of pity from people, but this is not possible because the events of the holocaust are hammered into everyone in elementary, middle and highschool whereas the other tragedies are only mentioned off handedly

JerseyIronman
10-16-2009, 06:07 PM
ya true, you guys are probably right that the perception of the holocaust is overshadows the other genocides. It makes sense since it played such an integral role in modern US history and its such great story to tell from the American perspective about how we came and save the day.

But i still i think the Holocaust was more diablocal that any shit that went on in the Americas.


if you really think it was accidental, then why are all the countries in this hemisphere inhabited by ppl that at least look like they have SOME indian in them and the US and Canada, the 2 countries that committed manifest destiny based genocide, inhabited by milk white young gays?
did the indians in brazil not come in contact with europeans? did the indians in mexico not come in contact with europeans? what about cuba, el salvador ect ect.

hell yeah a lot of them died accidentally cause of mere contact, but why was the mere contact with the whites in canada and america that much more potent and sweeping in its kills then the mere contact with the whites in argentina columbia and panama?

the US and Canada, frontier countries, had deliberate plans and actions aimed at genocide for land and security purposes on a scale wider then all these other countries that's why.

these deliberate acts and plans are called genocide.

This is a good point actually ive never thought of that.

But did the Europeans in Mexico / South America not really carry out genocide and instead choose to live with the natives in peace?

I think what really happened is that the Spanish empire collapsed and they couldnt press in Central / South America like the British were in North America.

idk tho because the Conquistadors were fucking brutal. Im not a history major though, im sure someone who studies this shit could answer this.

Uncle Steezo
10-16-2009, 06:37 PM
transatlantic african slave trade.

TSA
10-16-2009, 06:40 PM
yeah i was gonna bring that one up next. they were killing blacks like flies for storage purposes. me and my dad were arguing which was worst, slavery or the holocaust, he won cause he said he'd rather they'd kill him after torture then to let him live and torture him for life.

Ghost In The 'Lac
10-16-2009, 06:49 PM
As always in these situations we mustnt forget to seperate the english from the dutch

TSA
10-16-2009, 06:57 PM
AHAHahhahaha! no joke.
the dutch suck too though, if you knew about what they did in congo.
sweet jesus.



jesus fucking christ.

check two
10-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Like has been said time and time again, humans are the most savage animals. And asians will eat anything, including family members and babies.

TSA
10-16-2009, 07:14 PM
hahhaaha, timaahh timmaaahhh, 40 wattaaaaaa


yeah. the worst is humans try pointing the finger way to much and thinking some ppl are evil and some are good, 2 concepts idk why ppl even believe in the modern world

look at this, the japanese were rapin chinks and whites when they occupied them, the americans occupied japan and start doing the exact same shit while putting them on trial for it.

both the US and Jap even called their rape victims 'comfort girls' which were girls forced into sexual slavery during occupation periods.

any 2 countries would have done the same, and we wanna think were more advanced then snails cause of pop tarts and microchips.

Ghost In The 'Lac
10-16-2009, 07:15 PM
AHAHahhahaha! no joke.
the dutch suck too though, if you knew about what they did in congo.
sweet jesus.



jesus fucking christ.

i do (http://surinamslavery.blogspot.com/2008/05/chapter-3-slave-trade-to-surinam.html )

the dutch in w africa hustled in 4D to get negroes onto boats. people shouldnt forget that. wasnt all the english and co.

the dutch.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w216/kleinverzet/Koppen/Wilders__zijn_minis_426054b.jpg




the dutch.
http://mediablackberry.com/temp/12899.jpg



dutch
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/clairewhitelock/2005/12/27/dutch.jpg


the dutch.

http://www.roundtripeurope.com/project/157.jpg


the dutch.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01394/Crowd-Aalang_1394495i.jpg

Senator C. Palantine
10-16-2009, 07:16 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Nanjing_Massacre_severed_heads.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Nanjing_Massacre_severed_heads.jpg)

In some cases, flesh was cut from living people: another Indian POW, Lance Naik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Naik) Hatam Ali (later a citizen of Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan)), testified that in New Guinea:
the Japanese started selecting prisoners and every day one prisoner was taken out and killed and eaten by the soldiers. I personally saw this happen and about 100 prisoners were eaten at this place by the Japanese. The remainder of us were taken to another spot 50 miles [80 km] away where 10 prisoners died of sickness. At this place, the Japanese again started selecting prisoners to eat. Those selected were taken to a hut where their flesh was cut from their bodies while they were alive and they were thrown into a ditch where they later died.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#cite_note-46)




you ever seen Japanese TV shows?

they'd do that shit for a dishwasher, son.

TSA
10-16-2009, 07:22 PM
AHAHAHAHahAHAHahHH!
lol at hustle in 4D

its true. those guys were trying to get PAID.

the colonialism patterns of european countries seemed to follow common patterns of each country

germans- human experiments, extermination
french- epic fails, trying to look like your running shit when you've never been there, most of your colonies don't know they're colonized, can't do shit
dutch- trying to get PAID, human experiments
english- manipulation, trying to get paid, extreme racism
italy- lost

these countries seem to do these things everywhere they go.

Senator C. Palantine
10-16-2009, 07:27 PM
this reminds me off that shit on Sopranos when they're talking about if Columbus was a hero or a guy you just massacared the indians.

something like.....

chris 'he did massacre the indians though'

silvio 'its not like we didnt give them a load of shit to make up for that'.

hahahahha
























http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2007/06/06/1181160963_9067.jpg

Ghost In The 'Lac
10-16-2009, 07:30 PM
the frenchs no1 concern when colonizing a country is to make sure the natives embrace their bread baking methods if nothing else. thats the lasting legacy thats not even a joke, you go to these countries even places like vietnam and combodia places that also were invaded by france, no one remembers the french but theyre all going around with baguettes in their baskets and shit lol

when i was in vietnam i was like why all these chinks going around with all these fucking BAGUETTES lol! why do they even know baguettes? then i looked at the history and i saw french tried to colonize at some point

Senator C. Palantine
10-16-2009, 07:32 PM
the frenchs no1 concern when colonizing a country is to make sure the natives embrace their bread baking methods if nothing else. thats the lasting legacy thats not even a joke, you go to these countries even places like vietnam and combodia places that also were invaded by france, no one remembers the french but theyre all going around with baguettes in their baskets and shit lol

when i was in vietnam i was like why all these chinks going around with all these fucking BAGUETTES lol! why do they even know baguettes? then i looked at the history and i saw french tried to colonize at some point



hahha.

french bread is the shit though

Ghost In The 'Lac
10-16-2009, 07:40 PM
ha no shit. just got me thinking back now. its like the food IS SO vietnamese in every way apart from the bread part. theyre eating snakes in noodles and all that shit you expect, yet easily the most common sight on the streets is....baguettes


http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/576/6a00d83451b81169e201157.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/3398475932_64d30b3052.jpg?v=0


Idk maybe the french were trying to taking over these countries from the power of superior baking alone.

Senator C. Palantine
10-16-2009, 07:42 PM
viva la france

Uncle Steezo
10-16-2009, 08:04 PM
same thing can be said for big macs and coke.


the 1st wave of invasion hits the stomach.

21st century biochemwarfafre.

TSA
10-16-2009, 08:27 PM
man that's who taught chinks how to make bread!
man fuck that shit, there was this faggy vietnamese guy that kept bringing us bags of bread, literally bags of stink ass bread, trash bags, 2 every 4 days, of fucking bread

we thought he was generous until we found out the nigga was just trying to get rid of his excess bread from his shop.
you couldn;'t tell him no, he already had the bags in hand and was near sweating carrying them.
and they stunk, nobody touched em.

TSA
10-16-2009, 08:30 PM
here's the gayest part about french imperialism, the wont fucking leave.


everyone dropped the idea ages ago of blatant imperialism, but every francophone country in africa is still dealing with france trying to control them, there's even constitutions that say france can come in and be a faggot anytime they want.

it's like dude, drop it. they're like the 42 year old guy at a college party trying to get pussy that didn't get it when they were in college.
fag. go marry a woman.

ALCATRAZ
10-17-2009, 02:23 AM
the black man? he's still god...

Poison Flowerz!
10-17-2009, 03:04 AM
1011011001

Uncle Steezo
10-17-2009, 05:37 PM
..i thought this thread was about warcloud
hahahahahaH!






getting pimped by the french is like getting ether'd by sperm dawg.

THE MASON
10-17-2009, 06:39 PM
here's the gayest part about french imperialism, the wont fucking leave.


everyone dropped the idea ages ago of blatant imperialism, but every francophone country in africa is still dealing with france trying to control them, there's even constitutions that say france can come in and be a faggot anytime they want.

it's like dude, drop it. they're like the 42 year old guy at a college party trying to get pussy that didn't get it when they were in college.
fag. go marry a woman.

fucking right they wont leave, we quarntined them into one province, its easier to manage that way but they still keep on talking about leaving.

God damn it i hate the french

TSA
10-17-2009, 07:42 PM
here's a little international politics secret, if france looses africa they've lost all relevance outside of their own country.

the success of britians ex colonies keep it powerful in international affairs, but france is dependant on having the largest military in europe, which in an age of demilitarization is becoming less and less relevant, and its former colonies which are all basically failed states cause they thought they'd be tight owning a desert the size of 2 united states and dense tropical jungle literally full of pygmys.

since west africa has their most successful colonies, which aren't even successful, they try to keep Nigeria from becoming a hegemon in the region by any means without being up front and obvious.

when nigeria was having a civil war they were the only major power (and only country unless you count Haiti an Angola) that supported the successionist state of Biafra in a deliberate attempt to make nigeria weaker

if nigeria become a developed country france actually becomes totally internationally irrelevant.

harm77
10-17-2009, 07:47 PM
nah the worst thing humanity ever done was give birth to TSA. That tops HOLOCAUST by a thousand times.

HANZO
10-17-2009, 07:56 PM
France still did well in making alot of ppl speak French. But yeah its true France has minimal political influence outside of Africa, bit of influence in the middle east, but over Lebanon which is a totally irrelevant country. They still heavyweights in Europe but thats really thanks to them doing exactly the same thing the Germans do. Theres even talk of France and Germany actually uniting into one country. That would mean that they would pretty much have full control of the EU, shunning Britain and Italy out.

Uncle Steezo
10-17-2009, 08:09 PM
the french have nukes and money. they will be relevant regardless of what nigeria does.

RALPH WIGGUM
10-18-2009, 04:47 AM
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/guerredalgerie/images/0de%20gaulle%20mosta.jpg

Inspectah_Dirk
10-18-2009, 10:58 AM
Hmmm..i often thank Hitler...if it wasn't for him, there wouldn't be such a thing as the German Autobahn!!! Where there is no speedlimit..so once again, THANKS HITLER!!

THE MASON
10-18-2009, 11:08 AM
France still did well in making alot of ppl speak French. But yeah its true France has minimal political influence outside of Africa, bit of influence in the middle east, but over Lebanon which is a totally irrelevant country. They still heavyweights in Europe but thats really thanks to them doing exactly the same thing the Germans do. Theres even talk of France and Germany actually uniting into one country. That would mean that they would pretty much have full control of the EU, shunning Britain and Italy out.

Seriously?

i havent heard about that yet, that would fuck with some shit. Britian i feel has slready shunned the EU on there own but other countries like Italy and Spain would get fucked.

RALPH WIGGUM
10-18-2009, 11:15 AM
Where u from bronze feet?

Poison Flowerz!
10-18-2009, 11:25 AM
1011011001

THE MASON
10-18-2009, 11:28 AM
Where u from bronze feet?

what poison said

located in this country :can:

RALPH WIGGUM
10-18-2009, 11:52 AM
Ha ha aight so you was talkin bout quebec i was wonderin.

About france's influence in Africa, its just gettin lower since chirac left and sarkozy got elected, that stupid midget.

THE MASON
10-18-2009, 12:02 PM
yes i was

bunch of separatist faggots, we should have let them leave, funny thing is they wanted to be known as a "nation within a nation", fucking give it up

RALPH WIGGUM
10-18-2009, 12:09 PM
Say whatever u want against them, but their accent sure cracks me up.

AGH0MP3m0cA

harm77
10-18-2009, 02:50 PM
what poison said

located in this country :can:

What's up, you Canadian piece of shit

TSA
10-19-2009, 09:27 AM
the french have nukes and money. they will be relevant regardless of what nigeria does.
France's won't be able to compete with the raising powers and currently isn't even dominant in its own region. plus realistically speaking a country like france dropping a nuclear bomb is extremely unlikely in this day and age. It'll still be a powerful country, just have no influence over anyone if it looses africa and is most likely to loose africa if there is a strong regional power the same way china has caused them to lose southeast asia.

Ghost In The 'Lac
10-19-2009, 10:05 AM
lol anyone remember in the 2nd world war when the french navy refused to hand over their battleships to the english navy (because churchill was worried theyd be stolen by the Nazis), so the british navy trapped them in their own port (with sea mines) then preceded to shell the living shit out of sitting ducked french ALLIED battleships.

all because Churchill didnt trust the french's ability not to surrender once the Nazis showed up. so he bombed the shit out of them just in case. they were suppposed to be on the same side LOL. french.

TSA
10-19-2009, 12:15 PM
LOL! no shit? i didn't know about that but that's a smart ass move. France would have surrendered and lord knows what Germany could have done with their combine navies.

Ghost In The 'Lac
10-19-2009, 12:28 PM
that was the problem.

of course the french threw a tantrum and said they had a secret order to their navy crews to sabotage their own ships (LOL) at the first sight of Nazis in france, so they said were never in dainja of being taken over by Nazis at all.

churchill wasnt taking that option though, he thought it safer to just blow them all up. in 30 mins of brutal shelling, the english fleet killed over 1000 french allied sailors. In the attack though, 1 french warship (the strasbourg) escaped, and 2 years later, when it was docked in south france and the Nazi's turned up, tru to their word, the french crew still went ahead and blew up their OWN SHIP so the Nazi's couldnt take control of it.

vive la france!!

and aswell, it was a sad loss to kill all those innocent french men, but it was this event, that actually finally persauded Roosevelt to send England tonnes of US battleships and fighters planes etc. Before this french thing, Roosevelt wasnt convicned the English werent going to back out themselves, but when he saw churchills commintent to WAR, he sent them all this shit.

so in the end it was for the best, the french took one for the team.

HANZO
10-19-2009, 01:55 PM
lol France.

atleast they still have Europes biggest army.

RALPH WIGGUM
10-19-2009, 02:20 PM
Vive la République, vive la France, et nique sa mère au maire.