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picturebloodbaths
09-25-2005, 06:00 PM
Whatsup I am a pretty big wu fan and I'm very interested in learning how to produce some beats. But I don't know the first thing about production, can someone give me some tips on hardware and software that would be good for making some beats nothin too fancy just to get started? p.s. sorry if this is in the wrong forum I didn't know where to put it.

Casciple Wallholder
09-25-2005, 11:58 PM
Grab a copy of FL studio to get started....and a midi keyboard....a vynil player...and that should be coo coo for now...

peace.

Khristo
09-26-2005, 12:26 AM
FL studio = Fruity Loops studio.

You can download it from P2P programmes (eg: Kazaa) you might also have to download a Key for the programme you can also download one from the same prgramme.

Once you have Fl studio Search for some Refull packs (samples) so you have alot of beats to play around with and learn

GuardianOne
09-26-2005, 02:30 AM
Get some good speakers (10 inch - 15 inch), also check for Kinetic. Get a good mic. If you want to go further try get a good mixer (Yamaha - maybe 8 channel), with that you might need an amp. But the basics are what the others have mentioned. Also have a decent PC (P4) with enough RAM (512MB) or higher. If you need one get a good bass guitar.

GRANDMASSIVE.
09-26-2005, 09:47 PM
I Would Go Wit An Mpc But Thats Just Me Cuz Im All Hardware

PHI.1.618
09-26-2005, 11:37 PM
Just get a keyboard & a zoom st-224 (sampler), that's all you really need ...

picturebloodbaths
09-26-2005, 11:58 PM
Is there a cheaper sampler out there thats still decent? I really can't afford the Zoom ST-224 right now, if theres not, thats okay I'd just like to know. Quality of sound doesn't have to be perfect, I like the dirty quality on 36 chambers so I can put up with it for now.

king david
09-27-2005, 02:45 AM
Download Cool edit pro and acid Pro that is all you need to sample an make loops an shit
Then u can get drums off Of a Dl site by typing in what kind of hits u want
U can contact Me if u like I can help u with beats i got a Wu style of mixin if u wanna get at me
www.whitelotuschamber.com

Visionz
09-27-2005, 02:57 AM
I suggest getting a hold of Reason 3. It's about $450 and you'll also need Recycle 2 for about $150. I'm not sure what your budget is but these programs give about everything you need except for live recording. As long as you have a midi keyboard you can get just about any sound that's in your head out of your speakers w/ some practice. I would suggest avoiding any program that is loop-based (fruity-loops being 1) just because you're limited to somebody's loops. Reason allows you to do whatever you want pretty much. But it really comes down to talent and dedication. I've read the Kanye West made one of his beats(not sure which) with fruity loops, so I suppose its not worthless but I'd say Reason is by far the most bang for your buck. And I would stay away from hardware in this day and age just because of cost. If you do a google search for reason 3 on google it'll take you to the propellarhead website which will let you download a trial version of reason just to check it out. good luck with it. peace

Taskmaster
09-27-2005, 02:16 PM
what version of FL and acid would one need?

Casciple Wallholder
09-27-2005, 05:19 PM
Version 5 of FL is ALL you need...dont look any further

PHI.1.618
09-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Is there a cheaper sampler out there thats still decent? I really can't afford the Zoom ST-224 right now, if theres not, thats okay I'd just like to know. Quality of sound doesn't have to be perfect, I like the dirty quality on 36 chambers so I can put up with it for now.
You can get one on ebay for like $50 ....

Taskmaster
09-28-2005, 06:12 AM
Version 5 of FL is ALL you need...dont look any furtherthank you when searching for samples whats best to use a p2p or google or some shit?

KillaThieve
09-29-2005, 02:08 AM
yeah...i suggest FL studios is great for beginners.....want a sample of a beat i created using FL studios, smack your e-mail here?>>

ARTFORM
09-29-2005, 03:44 PM
thank you when searching for samples whats best to use a p2p or google or some shit?
Do you think RZA uses Google? lol
Start diggin' in the crates my man.

Cheech Da WildKard
09-29-2005, 03:53 PM
thank you when searching for samples whats best to use a p2p or google or some shit?
LOL, sorry, but that was funny.

You need to keep ya ears out for old records where you think, "Yo, I could use that guitar riff" or whatever ....THEN you could go on a P2P and search for the track, and chop it up ...

$inista
09-29-2005, 04:02 PM
anybody no about MPC,s specifically the MPC 1000

Visionz
09-29-2005, 04:10 PM
I know they're hard to get a hold of and mad expensive if you find 'em

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
09-29-2005, 04:53 PM
they are not hard to get a hold of, if you have a guitar center in your area or a store like that they sell them there.......but they are expensive

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
09-29-2005, 04:55 PM
or you can order it off their site http://www.akaipro.com/

$inista
09-30-2005, 11:33 AM
I got the Mpc 1000 upgrade the ram and a bigger memmory chip its hot connects to computer through USB download samples, drumkits, loops, vocals whatever & whole lota other shit too, but I'm telling you i'm clueless
I watch some dvd got me open & I bought this thing with out thinking and now I dont what to do with this fucking thing besides look at it
I read da manual sevral time , dont know what to do I think I am going to sell it but i going to loose money och! thing its not eve 6 months old

Taskmaster
09-30-2005, 12:09 PM
LOL, sorry, but that was funny.

You need to keep ya ears out for old records where you think, "Yo, I could use that guitar riff" or whatever ....THEN you could go on a P2P and search for the track, and chop it up ...
so i can chop up beats in fl? or do i need another program?

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09-30-2005, 12:56 PM
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09-30-2005, 01:04 PM
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09-30-2005, 06:18 PM
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10-01-2005, 08:52 AM
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Hz Deep
10-01-2005, 04:43 PM
Yo, if you want to get all the software you will need to record, arrange, mix and add effects create sounds & sample sounds, think about getting hold of a copy of this UK magazine - http://computermusic.co.uk , you get a DVD with it with their 'CM Studio' software which is updated all the time in collaboration with major software developers.

I just say this as I've used it a bit in the past and it offers all that you need to make a decent beat, and at such a low cost it will really help you get a better understanding of how a beat can be put together and which methods you prefer, then you will be in a better position to make an informed decision on what functions you want in return for your hard earned cash.

picturebloodbaths
10-02-2005, 06:01 PM
What do you guys think of Boss samplers like the SP-303 I tried on out at GuitarCenter and I liked it but I don't really know good from bad. I am probably going to get the 49e and FL 5 but I also want a sampler...

suggestions?

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10-02-2005, 07:40 PM
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Qwiffersniffer
10-02-2005, 07:43 PM
Just get a mic and break out the pots and pans and simply sing the melodies with your voice.

picturebloodbaths
10-02-2005, 09:04 PM
Umm, can I get a serious answer?

picturebloodbaths
10-04-2005, 04:46 PM
?

Hz Deep
10-04-2005, 05:53 PM
It's so subjective, your always gonna get a lot of contradictory answers to a question like that, for instance I'd say go get Logic Pro, Reason, Recycle and Live 5, but then thats 'cos in my experience thats what I like working with, but then if your gonna be recording a lot of stuff, I'd say you need Pro Tools too 'cos I always kick Logic into touch when I have any serious recording and editing to do, but then all these are gonna make a fairly substantial hole in your pocket whatever.
So the best advice I can give is get that mag I mentioned with free software covering pretty much every software type of recording and composition you will come across, it's fully capable of providing good results, won't cost you a penny (aside from the cost of the magazine) and then when you read about any premium software your looking at buying you can make a decision based on the principles you will have already learnt using the free stuff, if you go buying some relatively expensive bit of software right out, you could end up feeling even worse off 'cos just say you don't get on with it, you'll have no money and a peice of kit you can't make shit with.

Alternatively go download any demo's you can find and see if you click with a certain program, and maybe get down to your local music store and have a go on an MPC if your thinking of going the hardware route, maybe even a Yamaha RM1X if your looking hardware, but cheaper, but remember the sales guy's will have some killer spiel to suck you in and get you to part with that cash, so stay strong, if you like sumthin' go away and think it over for a bit and get some more opinions.
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$inista
10-05-2005, 12:45 AM
I got da mpc 1000 sitting looking pretty, i need a fuckin tutor or sumthen da sales dude seen me cominig a mile away, i dont want 2 sell it just yet cause i dont want 2 loose out, if i learn how 2 work da dam thing i won't feel so bad, i used to fuck with acid long time ago b4 sony bought em, I fuck wit ccomputers 4 a living so software I pick up pretty easy, i got pro tools & m-audio firewire 410 which is basiclly a sound card with perks.... kickass it also came with live lite 4 & da demo for 5 aint fuck with it yet just pro tools, I really need somthing 4 beats & I have been looking at Reason 4 a minute thnx 4 your advice got to get my hands on some demos, seen some mags you was talkin bout too 15$ steep 4 a mag

Visionz
10-05-2005, 01:10 AM
considering what you're looking at spending to get a real set-up to make beats, $15 ain't shit. Knowledge is priceless. btw I fuck around on Reason and think its a real nice program, the only limitation that it has is no live recording so you'll need another program to rewire it with to record any vocals onto a track. But the program is real user-friendly and when it comes to midi, really doesn't have any limitations.peace

js1
10-05-2005, 02:07 PM
what is the basic difference between fruity loops 3 and fruity loops 5. cuz fruity loops 3 sounds to fuckin techno. does fruity loops 5 sound like to?

js1
10-05-2005, 02:08 PM
what is the basic difference between fruity loops 3 and FL 5. cuz FL 3 sounds to fuckin techno. does FL 5 sound the same?

$inista
10-05-2005, 03:10 PM
considering what you're looking at spending to get a real set-up to make beats, $15 ain't shit. Knowledge is priceless. btw I fuck around on Reason and think its a real nice program, the only limitation that it has is no live recording so you'll need another program to rewire it with to record any vocals onto a track. But the program is real user-friendly and when it comes to midi, really doesn't have any limitations.peace

I pretty much decided on reaseon already but i still wanna get da demo version first
pro tools is good for live sound & mixxing so far i think Im ok