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Mr. Muhammad
12-03-2009, 03:22 PM
Watch these videos, and decide for yourself...

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAQ8KcbQuJI&feature=player_embedded

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2nvH_o0vM8&feature=player_embedded

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC4qTGlVpPY&feature=player_embedded

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=969EiIfw9nM&feature=player_embedded

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3yfOkCs8m0&feature=player_embedded

Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FocwDiN-Rc0&feature=player_embedded



RM

Drunken Monk
12-03-2009, 03:39 PM
no fuck it

it isnītpeace muhamma

ameen

TheBoarzHeadBoy
12-03-2009, 05:15 PM
It's actually a Republic. A Republic is an Oligarchic Plutocracy. The Roman Republic was run by a senate. Senator means old man (wise man) and in order to be on this council you had to be a millionaire. Not making this up.

Thanks for shopping.

beautifulrock
12-03-2009, 05:58 PM
So you think the senate runs the country? You aren't seeing it for what it really is, a Corporatocracy.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
12-03-2009, 11:46 PM
threres no difference since the senators work for the companies dude...

but in theory the congress together are the most powerful group in the country if not in practice

LoTec
12-04-2009, 03:44 PM
We are supposed to by a Consitutional Republic but alas that is no more and maybe never was.

beautifulrock
12-04-2009, 05:04 PM
threres no difference since the senators work for the companies dude...

but in theory the congress together are the most powerful group in the country if not in practiceAre you fucking retarded? What did I just fucking say?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
12-04-2009, 07:06 PM
But I said that its an oligarchy of the richest people. Rich people make their moneys from corporations. So realistically you agreed with me but think you didn't. You are mistaken.

whitey
12-04-2009, 07:46 PM
we vote.

people come in.

people go.

democ.

booya.

beautifulrock
12-04-2009, 08:06 PM
We vote for anointed candidates who take money from big business to pass legislation in the favor of said businesses. There is essentially no difference between the parties. Corporatocracy. Booya.

whitey
12-04-2009, 08:21 PM
money makes the world go round player. americas been looking out for number 1 since 1776...america.

beautifulrock
12-04-2009, 09:58 PM
How is that an argument?

whitey
12-04-2009, 09:59 PM
booya.

beautifulrock
12-04-2009, 10:03 PM
That's bettah.

SID
12-05-2009, 10:28 AM
Theres no such thing as democracy, its just a wishful ideal that cannot be put in to practice due to human nature. All i know is that usa is imperialis.

TSA
12-05-2009, 10:30 AM
there is such a thing as a democracy.

the US is a democratic republic

PALEFORCE
12-05-2009, 10:39 AM
why? because they told you that shit everyday in school for 12 years?

SID
12-05-2009, 10:40 AM
In theory. In practice the scenario is entirely different.

whitey
12-05-2009, 10:53 AM
Theres no such thing as democracy, its just a wishful ideal that cannot be put in to practice due to human nature. All i know is that usa is imperialis.


gotta get shit done. plan and simple there is a reason why the US is where its at today. its done/does some ugly things. but the international system is anarchy. the benefits that the country allows its citizens to reap is the reason for its actions.

SID
12-05-2009, 10:58 AM
What does invading iraq,korea, vietnam and afghanistan have anything to with reaping rewards for its citizens? america is hated, and is full of hate. That aint a example of democracy

whitey
12-05-2009, 11:44 AM
korea and vietnam was obvious. contain communism and to open markets. specifically to the japanese reconstruction project which was seen as imperative to keeping asian markets after wwII.

afghanistan and iraq are a little more complicated. afghanistan i really believe was because of spet 11. the taliban was a haven for al queda. iraq is a little more tricky. the WMD's was a pretty clear excuse to go into the region and try and build a democracy along with help secure oil reserves from a "soon to be" friendly nation.

the united states is the worlds hegemony. a hegemony draws on power from its economic sector to facilitate its power in all other facets of its being. our system is market based capitalism. with that being said a world with as many open markets accepting of free trade and goods (central to economic well being) is imperative to the one who benefits most from the system. its of the most importance for the hegemony to protect the economic system, because they are the ones who benefit most from it.

spreading democracies (governments in favor of capitalism and free trade) are in the best interest of the united states.

however with all that being said, its hard to force a system on people, as was seen in vietnam. and is being seen in iraq. although you could make the case it turned out fairly well for us in (germany and japan along with) south korea...50 years later.

Nick Fury
12-05-2009, 11:46 AM
gotta get shit done. plan and simple there is a reason why the US is where its at today. its done/does ALOT ugly things. but the international system is anarchy. the benefits that the country allows its citizens to reap is the reason for its actions.

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Olive Oil Goombah
12-05-2009, 11:55 AM
even a democracy is elitist because its majority rule. Its just majority has shifted from actual populace to majority share holders.

who doesnt know this???

Only complete idiots who are in denial or have no interest in knowing the truth ignore it.

PALEFORCE
12-05-2009, 12:02 PM
how is it a democracy? you get to pick from 2 people chosen for you.

the government on a regular basis breaks the law

and often what the majority wants goes unnoticed

democracy?

naw we live in a scientific dictatorship ran by oligarchs

Olive Oil Goombah
12-05-2009, 12:08 PM
i never said it was a true democracy.

what i said was a true democracy is still elitist.


your overreacting to waht we have here, as usual.

its not that extreme, there may forms of it but not like you say

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-05-2009, 12:12 PM
Even if it isnt, seriously, so what?

Democaracys suck generally and are incredibly open to corruption

And have you not seen half of the US's population? Theyre fucking retarded lol. If the country was left to them to vote on things you wouldnt be the No1 power in the world, i can assure you.

Just look how much damage to your country 8 years of voting for Bush has done. He left it on the brink of ruin.

PALEFORCE
12-05-2009, 12:14 PM
i never said it was a true democracy.

what i said was a true democracy is still elitist.


your overreacting to waht we have here, as usual.

its not that extreme, there may forms of it but not like you say

i was talking to everyone nicky

but tell me how is it not like i say?

Longbongcilvaringz
12-05-2009, 12:19 PM
how is it a democracy? you get to pick from 2 people chosen for you.

the government on a regular basis breaks the law

and often what the majority wants goes unnoticed

democracy?

naw we live in a scientific dictatorship ran by oligarchs

hahaha

PALEFORCE
12-05-2009, 12:21 PM
look up eugenics and who are the leaders of this

this is just scratching the surface

Longbongcilvaringz
12-05-2009, 12:23 PM
hahaha

SCIENTIFIC DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!

PALEFORCE
12-05-2009, 12:30 PM
your illiterate

Longbongcilvaringz
12-05-2009, 12:33 PM
haha, you're killing me man with all the "IS the US REALLY a democracy!?!?!?!?!??" style.

'Scientific Dictatorship' hahaha

PALEFORCE
12-05-2009, 12:38 PM
ok good.

now did you look up eugenics?

PALEFORCE
12-05-2009, 12:40 PM
heres a short summary
Eugenics is the study and practice of selective breeding applied to humans, with the aim of improving the species. In a historical and broader sense, eugenics can also be a study of "improving human genetic qualities." Advocates of eugenics sought to counter what they regarded as dysgenic dynamics within the human gene pool, specifically in regard to congenital disorders and factors relating to the heritability of IQ.

The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1883,[10] drawing on the recent work of his half-cousin Charles Darwin.[citation needed] At its peak of popularity eugenics was supported by prominent people, including Margaret Sanger,[11][12] Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, Emile Zola, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Linus Pauling[13] and Sidney Webb.[14][15][16] Its most infamous proponent and practitioner was however Adolf Hitler who praised and incorporated eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf, and emulated Eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States.[17]

Nick Fury
12-05-2009, 12:43 PM
democracy doesn't go hand in hand with freedom , justice and equality

but I've been told different .............

SID
12-05-2009, 12:54 PM
korea and vietnam was obvious. contain communism and to open markets. specifically to the japanese reconstruction project which was seen as imperative to keeping asian markets after wwII.

afghanistan and iraq are a little more complicated. afghanistan i really believe was because of spet 11. the taliban was a haven for al queda. iraq is a little more tricky. the WMD's was a pretty clear excuse to go into the region and try and build a democracy along with help secure oil reserves from a "soon to be" friendly nation.

the united states is the worlds hegemony. a hegemony draws on power from its economic sector to facilitate its power in all other facets of its being. our system is market based capitalism. with that being said a world with as many open markets accepting of free trade and goods (central to economic well being) is imperative to the one who benefits most from the system. its of the most importance for the hegemony to protect the economic system, because they are the ones who benefit most from it.

spreading democracies (governments in favor of capitalism and free trade) are in the best interest of the united states.

however with all that being said, its hard to force a system on people, as was seen in vietnam. and is being seen in iraq. although you could make the case it turned out fairly well for us in (germany and japan along with) south korea...50 years later.
Are you defending your governments actions? In Democracy thats the head of states job,


The US acts like its seperate from the rest of the world and does what it wants when it wants regardless of the international consensus or public opinion . If thats democracy i can officialy say i would be more content living by armand sickles socialist doctrine .

SID
12-05-2009, 12:58 PM
Regarding Eugenics, i am aware that a racial cleansing operation was underway in the US during the early to mid 1900's where several african americans were sterilised without their knowledge if they failed a I.Q test. .

whitey
12-05-2009, 01:38 PM
Regarding Eugenics, i am aware that a racial cleansing operation was underway in the US during the early to mid 1900's where several african americans were sterilised without their knowledge if they failed a I.Q test. .

theres no racial cleansing program going on. if that was true we would close the mexican border for good.

Are you defending your governments actions? In Democracy thats the head of states job,


The US acts like its seperate from the rest of the world and does what it wants when it wants regardless of the international consensus or public opinion . If thats democracy i can officialy say i would be more content living by armand sickles socialist doctrine .


am i defending their actions? eh, in a way. if the united states doesnt act in such an ugly way in the past who knows what this country would be like today. its an ugly fact but its the truth, what was done has been effective. im not a big henry kissinger fan but this story is telling...


in 1988 at a gathering of nobel prize laureates in paris, kissinger was verbally attacked by argentine peace prize winner adolfo perez for his power-orientated and amoral approach to politics. perez accused him of "genocide and collective massacre"......

.....kissinger responded with saying more than a dozen of his relatives had been killed in the holocaust so he knew something about the nature of genocide. he then went on to say it was easy for human rights crusaders and peace activists to insist on perfection in this world. but the policymaker who has to deal with reality learns to seek the best than can be achieved rather than the best that can be imagined. the world is not a perfect place as he learned as a child. those with true responsibility for peace, unlike those on the sidelines, cannot afford pure idealism. they must have the courage to deal with ambiguities and accommodations, to realize that great goals can be achieved only in imperfect steps, no side has a monopoly on morality.

SID
12-05-2009, 02:22 PM
If you read my post, i said the eugenics program was launched in the early to mid 1900's, not now.


You rebute me by quoting that scumbag kissinger?

You have no reason to have faith in your government and YOU KNOW IT. Americas top brass are all zionist israeli that being said i do not trust or embrace a country that is so deeply involved with the occupied terror state of israel. The US will fall before the turn of the next century, while i will be carrying on a raekwon tradition. "bought a house next to hilary clintons mum coz she fucks with the chinese"

PALEFORCE
12-05-2009, 02:27 PM
the eugenics program still exist

check your water

check your food

lol we already covered in KTL that the swine flu vaccine sterilizes people

SID
12-05-2009, 02:35 PM
Yh i know the pharmaceutical companies are pumping out hormones and MCS in their products. Eugenics would be hard to get away with in this day and age though.

Olive Oil Goombah
12-05-2009, 02:51 PM
i was talking to everyone nicky

but tell me how is it not like i say?

because while there may be aspects that are like you say, there are also others that go against what you claim.

It lies somewhere in between, which is where most thing do.

You can make a case for or against it.

Neither side is fully wrong, but they aren't fully right either.


You approach everything with such extremism and aggression that you instantly turn people off......its a pyschological technique.

and if you were 100% factual, it would be ok, but your not, so your just making yourself look foolish by being so stubborn.

You have also lost a tremendous amount of credibility because of this, which is very important to a person making such extreme claims.

Nick Fury
12-05-2009, 07:56 PM
Regarding Eugenics, i am aware that a racial cleansing operation was underway in the US .

.....

whitey
12-05-2009, 08:28 PM
If you read my post, i said the eugenics program was launched in the early to mid 1900's, not now.


You rebute me by quoting that scumbag kissinger?

You have no reason to have faith in your government and YOU KNOW IT. Americas top brass are all zionist israeli that being said i do not trust or embrace a country that is so deeply involved with the occupied terror state of israel. The US will fall before the turn of the next century, while i will be carrying on a raekwon tradition. "bought a house next to hilary clintons mum coz she fucks with the chinese"


and you rebut me by calling kissinger a scumbag?


i gave you realness.

you didnt bring shit to the contrary.

Frank Sobotka
12-06-2009, 06:49 AM
You didn't really pick bush the first time, so it's not.

whitey
12-06-2009, 10:59 AM
^no on can really prove that. and trust me i dont like the guy one bit, but that statement is not really a fact. just conjecture.

SID
12-07-2009, 10:12 AM
I think if The american people actually voted for bush for a second term that makes it worse then being fixed, in fact if the election wasent fixed my view of the general american public just went down a notch.

PALEFORCE
12-07-2009, 10:23 AM
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whitey
12-07-2009, 11:27 AM
I think if The american people actually voted for bush for a second term that makes it worse then being fixed, in fact if the election wasent fixed my view of the general american public just went down a notch.


you obviously have never been here. meeting the half of the american public that were bush voters would severely dampen any rational intelligent persons day.

SID
12-07-2009, 12:15 PM
This keeps getting worse and worse.