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Ghost In The 'Lac
12-27-2009, 04:18 PM
Judges 21:10-24 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%2021:10-24&version=NIV)
Numbers 31:7-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2031:7-18&version=NIV)
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2020:10-14&version=NIV)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:28-29&version=NIV)
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:23-24&version=NIV)
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2021:10-14&version=NIV)
Judges 5:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%205:30&version=NIV)
Exodus 21:7-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021:7-11&version=NIV)
Zechariah 14:1-2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah%2014:1-2&version=NIV)

Thoughts.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-27-2009, 04:20 PM
and another site (click through the pages using the arrow)

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt22_23a.html

spiggity_ace
12-27-2009, 05:20 PM
how does it defend rape and advise it, i dont get it

edit: nvm i read the last one that one is suspect.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-27-2009, 05:30 PM
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. a]" class="footnote">[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:28-29&version=NIV#fen-NIV-5500a)] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. "


This one is saying if you rape a woman she effectivly becomes yours to own.

If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.

And people say the Ko'ran preaches hate.

Prince Rai
12-27-2009, 05:34 PM
Bible banter. Zooroka may find a girl he likes, rape her, and then legally marry her.

LORD NOSE
12-27-2009, 07:59 PM
they'll say that that is the old testament and the old god - that jesus is the new god with the new way - with this new way, you would forgive the rapist, not kill them, and let them eat at the table with you and your daughters - this would be the christ like thing to do -

zooruka
12-27-2009, 08:23 PM
This thread is full of lies....


There are two points to note here. First, even though the verse may seem to be instructing the rapist to marry the victim the passage nowhere sanctions, condones or even approves of rape. This is simply a gross misreading of the text. The injunction is intended to instruct the Israelites on how to deal with and address a rape situation if and when it occurs.


The bible don`t support rape it gives a soloution to the problem of rape...that verse above ^^^ says that if some girl is raped then you must marry her, so you do not dishonour her, this is the ethical soloution to the problem of rape, because God knows those things happen, but nowhere in the bible is there a proclomation condoning it...Go read again kid.



peace be with you !

beautifulrock
12-27-2009, 08:41 PM
I think the more shocking thing is that these passeges outline the fact that women are of little value at all to the writer.

Prince Rai
12-27-2009, 09:01 PM
I think the more shocking thing is that these passeges outline the fact that women are of little value at all to the writer.

good point.

also to note, Judges 21:10-24, if zooroka says rape is an inevitable human trait with the punishment of having the man to marry the woman, how does he explain for example the verse just metioned in line with justice and Godliness?

LORD NOSE
12-27-2009, 09:22 PM
The bible don`t support rape it gives a soloution to the problem of rape...that verse above ^^^ says that if some girl is raped then you must marry her, so you do not dishonour her, this is the ethical soloution to the problem of rape, because God knows those things happen, but nowhere in the bible is there a proclomation condoning it...Go read again kid.



peace be with you !



summary


you can rape a woman, you just have to marry her afterward so that there are no hard feelings

...that verse above ^^^ says ........



peace be with you !





Judges 21:10-24 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%2021:10-24&version=NIV)
Numbers 31:7-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2031:7-18&version=NIV)
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2020:10-14&version=NIV)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:28-29&version=NIV)
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:23-24&version=NIV)
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2021:10-14&version=NIV)
Judges 5:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%205:30&version=NIV)
Exodus 21:7-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021:7-11&version=NIV)
Zechariah 14:1-2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah%2014:1-2&version=NIV)



which one ?

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-27-2009, 09:27 PM
Its funny how you hear right wing western media often always comment on how the Qu'ran preaches "Jihad". They never mention however the huge amounts of war acts that are mentioned in the Bible under the support of the LORD. So many times figures inthe Bible are instructed to plunder and ravage towns in the name of the LORD.

Alot more, I can tell, than the Qu'ran does. A hell of a lot more.

spiggity_ace
12-27-2009, 10:44 PM
every religion has violence in it tho, other than maybe taoism and shintoism even budhism have the shaolin monks who are lethal with the hands, but when people talk about jihad and dont mention the crusades its such a one sided argument

zooruka
12-27-2009, 11:25 PM
every religion has violence in it tho, other than maybe taoism and shintoism even budhism have the shaolin monks who are lethal with the hands, but when people talk about jihad and dont mention the crusades its such a one sided argument

There is nothing in the new testement that commands violence by its followers, if anything it speaks against it, but islam and the koran commands it`s followers to the act of jihad... I mean just take the examples of the two founders of islam and christianity...Jesus was peaceful, humble and went around doing good....muhummad went around with violence, terror and sexual immorality.


As for the old testement and violence, These where commanded by God for a specific purpose in establishing the state of israel and for providing justice, not for the sake of spreading the religion or concoring nations for political gain and power...also If God commands somthing...who is anyone to say otherwise, he is GOD ALMIGHTY he can create and destroy whatever he wishes, because he made it ALL !!!!!!!


peace be with you !

LORD NOSE
12-27-2009, 11:29 PM
As for the old testement and violence, These where commanded by God for a specific purpose in establishing the state of israel and for providing justice, not for the sake of spreading the religion or concoring nations for political gain and power...also If God commands somthing...who is anyone to say otherwise, he is GOD ALMIGHTY he can create and destroy whatever he wishes, because he made it ALL !!!!!!!


peace be with you !

so god commanded the children of israel to rape women so that god and the children of israel can establish the state of israel - God needs violence to establish a state - did he create the earth and the other planets the same way ?

zooruka
12-27-2009, 11:32 PM
so god commanded the children of israel to rape women so that god and the children of israel can establish the state of israel - God needs violence to establish a state - did he create the earth and the other planets the same way ?


Show me where God commands rape ????


peace be with you !

LORD NOSE
12-27-2009, 11:56 PM
Show me where God commands rape ????


peace be with you !





God doesn't command rape




Zechariah 14

The LORD Comes and Reigns

1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

theheavens
12-28-2009, 02:13 AM
this should be common sense, but...christianity is the devil

Mumm Ra
12-28-2009, 06:47 AM
says that if some girl is raped then you must marry her, so you do not dishonour her, this is the ethical soloution to the problem of rape
damn god really doesn't like women does he lol
oh hey you just got raped and probably beat up a bit by the scum of this earth - so now I'm gonna stick you with this rapist douchebag permanently, whether you like it or not!
because I'm good and ethical like that

J-Cee
12-28-2009, 08:07 AM
the reason its all bullshit,thats why it makes no sense..men are storytellers...

LORD NOSE
12-28-2009, 10:55 AM
As for the old testement and violence, These where commanded by God.....

Show me where God commands rape ????


according to you, god commanded violence - just so happens that in the midst of all that violence, some women just happened to have gotten raped - and taken in afterwards as wives of the men that raped them

food for thought
12-28-2009, 10:59 AM
Its funny how you hear right wing western media often always comment on how the Qu'ran preaches "Jihad". They never mention however the huge amounts of war acts that are mentioned in the Bible under the support of the LORD. So many times figures inthe Bible are instructed to plunder and ravage towns in the name of the LORD.

Alot more, I can tell, than the Qu'ran does. A hell of a lot more.

yep.


looks like some people are opening their eyes and looking.

food for thought
12-28-2009, 11:02 AM
lol @ prof and his Art-ful Dodg-ing

ghost,

you should copy and past the text from the links

Frank Sobotka
12-31-2009, 06:50 AM
Its funny how you hear right wing western media often always comment on how the Qu'ran preaches "Jihad". They never mention however the huge amounts of war acts that are mentioned in the Bible under the support of the LORD. So many times figures inthe Bible are instructed to plunder and ravage towns in the name of the LORD.

Alot more, I can tell, than the Qu'ran does. A hell of a lot more.

we all know christians don't know what the bible says.

and the christians that do, chose to ignore shit like this.

Compulsion
12-31-2009, 07:29 AM
we all know christians don't know what the bible says.

and the christians that do, chose to ignore shit like this.

insert any religion where you put 'christians', and you've basically summed up the three major religions of Judism, Christianity, and Islam.

Frank Sobotka
12-31-2009, 07:40 AM
insert any religion where you put 'christians', and you've basically summed up the three major religions of Judism, Christianity, and Islam.
yup

Come Honor Face
12-31-2009, 07:54 AM
I'm sure you could find all kinds of fucked up shit in the bible. I don't have first hand knowledge of it myself, due to the fact that I don't like wasting my time reading complete bullshit, but seeing how crazy, and unstable most of the Christians I know are, I can imagine how fucked up that shit is.

begongo
12-31-2009, 12:59 PM
isn't it already a fact that the bible is just a bunch of primitive crap that should not be taken seriously and preferably be ignored?

djskillz
12-31-2009, 02:10 PM
^Yes but their followers are just as primitive and refuse to use logic.

begongo
12-31-2009, 02:33 PM
do not affiliate with its followers then, avoid them and act cautious around them when need be

LORD NOSE
12-31-2009, 03:41 PM
I'm sure you could find all kinds of fucked up shit in the bible. I don't have first hand knowledge of it myself, due to the fact that I don't like wasting my time reading complete bullshit, but seeing how crazy, and unstable most of the Christians I know are, I can imagine how fucked up that shit is.

isn't it already a fact that the bible is just a bunch of primitive crap that should not be taken seriously and preferably be ignored?



both sides arguing and debating the contents of a book they have never read ?



surely man is lost

begongo
12-31-2009, 03:52 PM
both sides arguing and debating the contents of a book they have never read ?



surely man is lostman is lost when man underestimates. I did read the bible

zooruka
12-31-2009, 11:37 PM
I challenge anyone to find anything violent or unethical that is commanded or taught in the new testement !!!!!!!!!!!

Peace be with you !

food for thought
01-01-2010, 12:57 AM
hahhahaaaaaa

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hahahhahahah

Mumm Ra
01-01-2010, 02:54 AM
I challenge anyone to find anything violent or unethical that is commanded or taught in the new testement !!!!!!!!!!!

Peace be with you !

hahhahaaaaaa

aaaaaaaaaaa

hahahhahahah
rofl

begongo
01-01-2010, 05:03 AM
I challenge anyone to find anything violent or unethical that is commanded or taught in the new testement !!!!!!!!!!!

Peace be with you !
and u say this because .. the old testament is not part of the bible anymore since the update came out?

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
01-01-2010, 11:04 AM
I personally think all religion is equally bullshit.

That being said, the Old Testament's attitude towards rape was straight up progressive for its time.

No shit we all look back on it NOW and the views are clearly objectionable and primitive. BUt simply by acknowledging that rape is wrong and having some sort of guidelines and retribution AT ALL, the bible was ahead of time.

The fact that nobody here can contextualize that is disturbing.

And let's look at the present day interpretation. I would say that rape today is certainly frowned upon in Judeo-Christian societies(except man-boy rape).

Now let's look at the treatment of rape under present-day Muslim societies... It is almost impossible for a woman to convict her attacker, and the woman herself is USUALLY convicted herself.

By no means is this an indictment of all Muslim people, but I think the KTL bias is certainly interesting.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-01-2010, 12:00 PM
The fact that nobody here can contextualize that is disturbing.

.

Its because they have one track minds. They have an agenda and it stems from a socio-economic perspective they have on the world.

This results in the failure to put themselves in someone elses shoes for the sake of a well rounded view of something.

LORD NOSE
01-01-2010, 12:12 PM
when speaking about muslims,and islam be careful where you get your info from -

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/MUDSOCIETY/pimp-1.jpg



http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/MUDSOCIETY/pimp.png

Nick Fury
01-01-2010, 03:08 PM
wasting my time reading complete bullshit, .

actualy the bible is an interesting read , you can learn a few things

Frank Sobotka
01-02-2010, 05:09 AM
both sides arguing and debating the contents of a book they have never read ?



surely man is lost

Went to a christian elementary school, They told me those goddamn stories every goddamn morning.

djskillz
01-02-2010, 02:08 PM
I was born Catholic raised Christian and when I later on figured out it was all bullshit I stopped attending church.

zooruka
01-02-2010, 06:39 PM
I was born Catholic raised Christian and when I later on figured out it was all bullshit I stopped attending church.

Im sorry to hear that... I will pray to God for you !


Peace be with you !

Come Honor Face
01-03-2010, 06:05 PM
^^lol