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LORD NOSE
01-13-2010, 12:16 AM
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CharlesJones
01-13-2010, 12:21 PM
I'm gonna have to bring my headphones with me next time i come to the library so i can listen to this. Tell me what some of the audio said about black self hatred Sunny Winters. I was talking to my mom yesterday about i think the reason why so many ignorant blacks act ignorant is because they have self hatred which has a lot to do with racism and slavery. She agreed with me.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
01-13-2010, 12:31 PM
I'm more concerned about black self love (masturbating black dick) no homo.

But in seriousness what about white self hate? Aka the progressive movements of the democratic party. Why do these politicians sell out their race for power? Why do they cater exclusively to the interests of blacks and Hispanics when they make up a small part of the population? Why do Hispanics think they're black when they're usually a mix of native american and white? Why do democrats cater to race and class? Why does almost no one see them for what they are? Class/Race War mongers pitting groups against one another for their own benefits? Why do Republicans only have less then half the population when they make it obvious they're pro capitalist and want to give everyone the same chances? Why do blacks claim to want socialism when socialist states are just slavery by another name where the only motivator is propaganda and threat of violence and no one can ever get ahead?

These are the questions I want answered. But all we're going to get is lies and propaganda because that is what the liberal movement is built on.

TSA
01-13-2010, 12:34 PM
black ppl don't want socialism. most black ppl are basically republicans in ideology, its just they don't like the republican party cause it's racist.

CharlesJones
01-13-2010, 12:40 PM
I don't understand why some black politicans are republicans like Michael Steele of Maryland. White republican politicans aren't trying to help poor blacks and neither are black republican politicans.

TSA
01-13-2010, 12:45 PM
Steele is just a tool.
if the republican party wasn't actively racist they would have as many blacks as the dems do or more cause black ppl are usually conservative, religious, and free market capitalists

Mic Tyson
01-13-2010, 12:52 PM
^^^^exactly. i used to not like black conservatives until my teacher in my black studies class basically showed us that Malcolm X was a black conservative. idk why i never thought about it before

TheBoarzHeadBoy
01-13-2010, 01:00 PM
I don't think the party is any more pervasively racist then the democrats, I think racism falls evenly among the two. However the Democrats intentionally cater to the blacks to buy their votes, the Hispanics, the Asians, and know the self hating whites and all the optimists and progressives will go along with it and that together can win elections.

The democrats used to exploit blacks by forcing them to vote democrat with threats of violence then when that got too publicized they switched from the threat of stick to the reward of carrot. The Republicans never gave a fuck about skin color, some are racist, some are not, its not their issue, they claim to protect values and our economics.

As a believer in a post race America I think Democratic practices continue to breed the racism where Republican practices ignore it. No one is actively dealing with it properly, but I'd rather ignore it then actively encourage it.

I think racist whites are generally the ones mad at leftists for giving benefits to minorities and the underclass that they themselves do not get. There are a small number of race haters, but I think most of the white enmity is caused by the feeling that blacks get things handed to them in the name of equalizing the table which they see as reverse discrimination. Poor and lower class whites allege having a harder time then blacks getting into college, whether or not its true its a source of problems.

LORD NOSE
01-13-2010, 02:41 PM
why are yall turning this into some bullshit democrat/republican talk ?

Cee Oh Vee
01-13-2010, 02:49 PM
Psst, Sunny...

They seem to be "building"

LORD NOSE
01-13-2010, 02:51 PM
advice taken

TheBoarzHeadBoy
01-13-2010, 04:19 PM
why are yall turning this into some bullshit democrat/republican talk ?

We stay street politickin'

I think the concept of blacks self hating is not a realistic issue. I don't think blacks hate being black. I think that the fact you are black should make you different is foolish. We're all people here, we're all Americans. Lets act adult and pretend for a moment that we're all equal (which we are legally if not in practice) and go from there. Since we're all equal, lets look at it this way:

What can we do to help solve issues of poverty in the country? My suggestions? Deflate our currency and government so that we can compete fairly with China. I'm not certain with the specifics of how we go about doing that, but that's the answer. If we go from making an average 30,000 to an average of earning 3,000 without changing our standard of living we can compete with developing economies and surpass them. People will buy American if American can be cheaper then Chinese. Let's get the factories back in action, let's get the people of the streets jobs in the factories. Capitalism needs the big masses of workers, and a developing world needs more goods, guess who will be able to provide those good in this scenario? Us. If we stop all the bullshit regulating and just start making shit and allowing capitalism to run its course there will be more jobs. And you won't need to have that fucking PHD to get it.

Education is not a solution. If everyone has the education you're going to potentially have doctors working fast food (exaggeration.) We don't need education we need skills. Leave the fancy learning to people who want it. Lets have public education that makes workers to build the economy and private education that teaches what we're learning now. The lower class person can't understand learning all that crap (not that they can't but won't let themselves) and doesn't want to. Let the gifted kids become doctors and lawyers and let everyone else learn something useful but reasonable.

There are limitations on intelligence. We can't teach someone to write symphonies or cure cancer, but we can teach someone how electricity works and show them how to wire circuits, how carpentry works and teach them to wield a nail gun, how to change oil, how water moves and teach them to cut pipe as a plumber, we can teach how to sew crops and farm them. We need to get rid of this notion that every american should be a computer programmer or salesmen. We need those people, but we can't have 100% technology careers its not realistic or sustainable. And for the love of god let's get rid of the requirements to diversify in college. Do you have a career in mind? Take the half dozen field related classes they provide and be done. If it doesn't work out go back and take a half dozen classes on something else. Don't take dozens of non related classes. College is a drain on our workers. Teach them what they need, everything else is superfluous.

But like I said I don't know how to make this work. All I know is we need to become a middle class nation. Not by crippling the rich but by arming the poor with the skills to prosper.

If you want to become a brilliant writer learn that in private schools and college. Everyone else only needs to know how to talk intelligently with people to share ideas and write them accurately. Poetry should be a revered art, not something every dick and tom is forced to practice. Our broad education system cheapens our arts.

Uncle Steezo
01-15-2010, 02:21 PM
blacks don't hate themselves they hate the imagery that has been painted and subconsciously identify with that false image. this manifests itself it the words we use, our appearance, the way we act, the choices we make.

some of us see the exaggerated or manufactured image in others and wish to be separate from that. they try to distance themselves from it either physically, emotionally, culturally or flat out riducule.


some of us hate our history and view it as a mark of shame.



some of us just wish they were white.

IrOnMaN
01-15-2010, 02:35 PM
blacks don't hate themselves they hate the imagery that has been painted and subconsciously identify with that false image. this manifests itself it the words we use, our appearance, the way we act, the choices we make.

some of us see the exaggerated or manufactured image in others and wish to be separate from that. they try to distance themselves from it either physically, emotionally, culturally or flat out riducule.


some of us hate our history and view it as a mark of shame.



some of us just wish they were white.

True. And yet we as black people constantly call ourselves "niggers". Black people calling themselves "niggers" originated during slavery. Blacks just accepted the fact that they were what their slave masters called them. As a result, the slaves called themselves "niggers" and believed that they couldn't trust themselves and they could ONLY trust whites. It's still going on today and people don't even know what's going on.

The video was on point in terms of how blacks view themselves and how blacks treat themselves. It's sad.

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01-15-2010, 07:11 PM
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YungSunny
01-15-2010, 07:26 PM
blacks don't hate themselves they hate the imagery that has been painted and subconsciously identify with that false image. this manifests itself it the words we use, our appearance, the way we act, the choices we make.
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Exactly.

diggy
01-15-2010, 11:04 PM
So what if the media bombards us with negative images? You have the power to avoid some of them. You could also question them. Those who do not question them would believe anything told to them.

I'm not with all the 'blame everyone else but me' thing. I believe in personal responsibility.

I'm also not with the 'we are controlled on a subconscious level by the white man'. Not only is that statement inaccurate because we have control over our behavior, but it exalts the white man in the minds of those who believe that to the status of a God.

A black man who believes the white man controls his behavior is still worshiping the white man as God and could NEVER think highly of himself or others who have a dark complexion.

A mature person takes responsibility for their own actions and does not blame other people, tv commercials, books, or billboards.

Poetic Wun
01-16-2010, 12:07 AM
^because you believe in personal responsibility doesn't mean black folk as a whole do.
i agree with you tho.
to say these things is easier than an actual realization from black people as a whole.
we are in control over our own behavior but i don't totally dismiss white negativity as a part of "lower self esteem".
do the jews still blame germany?

but iunno... it seems lose/lose.

a black man in the ghetto sayin its the white mans fault is blind.
but a black wealthy republican... we know what to think of that.

i have plenty of racial self hatred... i dont blame the white man tho, i blame black & mexi men.
shits embarrassing.
i could be positive but no amount of positivity i exert is guna revolutionize an entire race's outlook on itself... and ill be dead within the next 50yrs so even if i could... i dont care.

diggy
01-16-2010, 01:27 AM
I also agree with all that you said.

^because you believe in personal responsibility doesn't mean black folk as a whole do.

Understood.

A problem I see with some of us Black folk is we are so fatalistic. Some wait for prophecies to come true. Some wait for the white man to come help us. Some wait for the white man to die. Some believe God cursed us to dark skin, humiliation and servitude. When Black folk sit back and watch the world turn instead of participating in it, they will most likely be the worst loosers.

Poetic Wun
01-16-2010, 02:36 AM
word up.
to add on a lil, i also see on my end since im mixed is mexis & blacks almost fight for who is more ghetto... in some aspects i can understand a hood life bringing more character out of someone but when blacks hold on to that shit it serves nobody any good.
then they complain instead of letting the past go and working for a better tomorrow

+rep:
Some wait for the white man to come help us.

SKAMPOE
01-16-2010, 03:18 AM
so what if the media bombards us with negative images? You have the power to avoid some of them. You could also question them. Those who do not question them would believe anything told to them.

I'm not with all the 'blame everyone else but me' thing. I believe in personal responsibility.

I'm also not with the 'we are controlled on a subconscious level by the white man'. Not only is that statement inaccurate because we have control over our behavior, but it exalts the white man in the minds of those who believe that to the status of a god.

A black man who believes the white man controls his behavior is still worshiping the white man as god and could never think highly of himself or others who have a dark complexion.

A mature person takes responsibility for their own actions and does not blame other people, tv commercials, books, or billboards.thing is it wasnt months of slavery, it was 300 +years, this attitude is in the genes -stem from all that shit from back then, it may seem as un godly behavior but back then it was survival, n due to the devilishment of the white oppressors,they wont change the dna.

diggy
01-16-2010, 03:59 AM
thing is it wasnt months of slavery, it was 300 +years, this attitude is in the genes -stem from all that shit from back then, it may seem as un godly behavior but back then it was survival, n due to the devilishment of the white oppressors,they wont change the dna.


Peep this:

No single gene determines a particular behavior. Behaviors are complex traits involving multiple genes that are affected by a variety of other factors...

...With disorders, behaviors, or any physical trait, genes are just a part of the story, because a variety of genetic and environmental factors are involved in the development of any trait. Having a genetic variant doesn't necessarily mean that a particular trait will develop.

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/behavior.shtml

SKAMPOE
01-16-2010, 03:07 PM
allegedly chris allegedly

Olive Oil Goombah
01-16-2010, 03:46 PM
that is not allegedly its truth.

There are only so many hard-wired behaviors and self-love or self-hatred is not one of them. Those are learned behaviors.

Reading and writing is a learned behavior. Speaking a language is a learned behavior.

But shitting, eating, procreating, thos are hard-wired into our DNA.

Uncle Steezo
01-16-2010, 05:56 PM
last weeks TIME...
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1951968,00.html
http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2010/1101100118_400.jpg


But Bygren and other scientists have now amassed historical evidence suggesting that powerful environmental conditions (near death from starvation, for instance) can somehow leave an imprint on the genetic material in eggs and sperm.
These genetic imprints can short-circuit evolution and pass along new traits in a single generation.

basically saying that trauma such as slavery can leave genetic markers in a single generation, multiply that bt 10 generations and "voila!" NIGGER GENE.

but on the flipside, the gene can be eliminated by healing that trauma.





also, science considers speech a hard wired behavior since so much of our brain is devoted to speech.

a child will speak a made up language if not taught one.

Olive Oil Goombah
01-16-2010, 08:10 PM
well, yes we are an evolving species.

SKAMPOE
01-17-2010, 01:31 AM
so i was more or less right? umm... told ya so? lol

IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 11:43 AM
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^^He's telling the truth.:Y

ALCATRAZ
01-17-2010, 01:41 PM
^smh

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 01:57 PM
^^He's telling the truth.:Y


he makes some good points but he's missing so much

ALCATRAZ
01-17-2010, 02:03 PM
this thread should be titled "ironman"

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 02:23 PM
some men are frustrated with themselves cause they can't handle a black woman

but the truth is that i don't know any one who can

75% of the work is with her for a reason

IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 05:39 PM
this thread should be titled "ironman"

I hate myself? Dude, you are truly a first class asshole, seriously. I'm talking to a guy who believes being a "nigga" is cool. I'm talking to a guy who thinks being a thug is a positive thing. I'm talking to a guy who believes he's "real".

STFU, please.

some men are frustrated with themselves cause they can't handle a black woman

but the truth is that i don't know any one who can

75% of the work is with her for a reason

You lost me, Sunny. Could you elaborate?

Truth be told, Willie make good points. My ex-girlfriend and I NEVER had one single argument while we were together. She was THE first woman in my life who I really loved because she wasn't a bitch. She never said that I was wack, weak, or a loser because I'm not a thug nor do I do things like sag my pants, talk Ebonics, dropped out of high school, disrespect people just because I feel entitled, etc. And she never said that I was trying to be white. She liked me for me, and she was black. She NEVER once brought me down, she never once called me names, she never once called me a nigger, etc. The bad thing about her is that she never finished high school but she's very smart. I probably won't find another woman like her in America.

The chicks in college are the total opposite of her. The date low class men (ones who don't even attend college) just they need to feel like they're in power. Is it because they believe that black men aren't crap? If that's true, why put yourself through the bs?

ALCATRAZ
01-17-2010, 05:40 PM
if they had a pill to turn your skin white you would take it without a second thought

IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 05:41 PM
if they had a pill to turn your skin white you would take it without a second thought

And what makes you think that?

Olive Oil Goombah
01-17-2010, 05:48 PM
if they had a pill to turn your skin white you would take it without a second thought

yea but the thing is, you'd do it too.

ALCATRAZ
01-17-2010, 05:50 PM
And what makes you think that?
you go out of your way to defend whites, even if it means making blacks look bad ... ur a dork end of story

yea but the thing is, you'd do it too.

nah i like gettin pussy in real life

Olive Oil Goombah
01-17-2010, 05:53 PM
on pussy

you will never get the finest pussy in the world as a black man. Not unless your an athlete but STILL, you need to be white.....

James Bond wasn't black bruh.

IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 06:01 PM
you go out of your way to defend whites, even if it means making blacks look bad ... ur a dork end of story

I've defended white people more than I defended black people? You can't be serious. I don't judge, unlike yourself. I only judge by ones character, not by race.

Just because I don't like calling another black person a nigger (a harsh degrading word created by whites) doesn't mean that I like whites more than I like blacks, you wanna be fake ass thug muthafucka!

Alcatraz was a prison. Why in the hell would one make a username to be a former prison? I find NOTHING cool about that at all. You worship Tupac as if he was the son of God. I won't say anything disrespectful.

May he RIP.

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 06:07 PM
on pussy

you will never get the finest pussy in the world as a black man. Not unless your an athlete but STILL, you need to be white.....

James Bond wasn't black bruh.

he wasn't fuckin real either - take those cameras, clothes and makeup

off that actor and your left with the average pasty ass nigga

ALCATRAZ
01-17-2010, 06:12 PM
I've defended white people more than I defended black people? You can't be serious. I don't judge, unlike yourself. I only judge by ones character, not by race.

Just because I don't like calling another black person a nigger (a harsh degrading word created by whites) doesn't mean that I like whites more than I like blacks, you wanna be fake ass thug muthafucka!

Alcatraz was a prison. Why in the hell would one make a username to be a former prison? I find NOTHING cool about that at all. You worship Tupac as if he was the son of God. I won't say anything disrespectful.

May he RIP.
anyone can see you go around makin sideways ass outta pocket ass backwards ass comments towards your own ... thats what youre known for on wutang-corp.com/forum ... ur known for bein a turncoat ... you changed your name to get away from the hate but niggaz kno....niggaz kno

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 06:14 PM
I hate myself? Dude, you are truly a first class asshole, seriously. I'm talking to a guy who believes being a "nigga" is cool. I'm talking to a guy who thinks being a thug is a positive thing. I'm talking to a guy who believes he's "real".

STFU, please.



You lost me, Sunny. Could you elaborate?

Truth be told, Willie make good points. My ex-girlfriend and I NEVER had one single argument while we were together. She was THE first woman in my life who I really loved because she wasn't a bitch. She never said that I was wack, weak, or a loser because I'm not a thug nor do I do things like sag my pants, talk Ebonics, dropped out of high school, disrespect people just because I feel entitled, etc. And she never said that I was trying to be white. She liked me for me, and she was black. She NEVER once brought me down, she never once called me names, she never once called me a nigger, etc. The bad thing about her is that she never finished high school but she's very smart. I probably won't find another woman like her in America.

The chicks in college are the total opposite of her. The date low class men (ones who don't even attend college) just they need to feel like they're in power. Is it because they believe that black men aren't crap? If that's true, why put yourself through the bs?

no diss - but you seem like the type that depise aggressive confident, hard walking and talking black men who had to live a street life - ones that didn't tweak their voice and put on tight slacks to impress some manager of some dam company somewhere -




and it also seems like you would mistake those same men as ignorant - it's easy for us to see the enviousness - of cause they won't admit that they are envious of us, they hold onto their buppy culture like it's gold and the only thing needed to survive in this world -


both parties are victims and need to discuss the state of their future (children) and cut the bullshit out

ALCATRAZ
01-17-2010, 06:15 PM
and if u knew anything about wu tang you'd know alcatraz is a rapper

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IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 06:20 PM
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75% of the work is with her for a reason

I assume this has to do with being responsible because society views the black man as being the irresponsible one. Again, why should they go through all that trouble if they fear that the worst will continue?

he wasn't fuckin real either - take those cameras, clothes and makeup

off that actor and your left with the average pasty ass nigga

You're right. Yes, when a black man is rich or an athlete, the women will run to him as if he's a God. But when something horrible happens and he gets cut from the team, losses he's money, the women will look at him like he's nothing. It's called being human.

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 06:21 PM
then there is the other side


dumb ass pepsi cola niggas who would bad mouth the only men and women who are doing something to lift us out of a dead state - niggas that won't put the pork skins down - niggas that put on the tough front cause they scared of other niggas who put on the tough front


holding heat in the street don't make you tough, not being scared of dumb ass niggas who feel they need to hold heat in the street,taking care of your children, maintianing a house hold while you elevate your mind is where the real niggas is at -

if you don't have knowledge of self, you ain't a real nigga

Olive Oil Goombah
01-17-2010, 06:22 PM
he wasn't fuckin real either - take those cameras, clothes and makeup

off that actor and your left with the average pasty ass nigga

pasty ass niggas or not they all do alot better than you, adolf

ALCATRAZ
01-17-2010, 06:23 PM
a lot is two words dumbass

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 06:30 PM
I assume this has to do with being responsible because society views the black man as being the irresponsible one. Again, why should they go through all that trouble if they fear that the worst will continue?


don't assume that - those in the know, know that language i'm using

you put down the source of the know - so stay in the dark concerning these things - we have answers to these iLLs willie pete is talking about - people by pass those answers because they wanna feel the way they wanna feel - they don't want to work towards elevating out of this got dam system called white supremacy - so when the system goes into the fire (and it will) the'll go with it -



You're right. Yes, when a black man is rich or an athlete, the women will run to him as if he's a God.


God is a provider and a protector
why should she run to some weak sounding weak walking lady pants wearing nigga who cannot provide for her and her future - what's in that womb needs to be protected - she needs to feel secure and unfortunatly, dumb ass horse minded athletes are given them the illusion of what she wants - the black woman wants god and these BUMS fall short -


But when something horrible happens and he gets cut from the team, losses he's money, the women will look at him like he's nothing. It's called being human.


"women are like power, it goes to the strongest man around"

this is why women are made to submit in other places - because her ass will wander off in "the land of the free to be a hoe"

Olive Oil Goombah
01-17-2010, 06:32 PM
a lot is two words dumbass

let me find out you got a white mans education......i already found out you got a job.....

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 06:38 PM
take that back and forth bullshit to genchat

IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 06:55 PM
anyone can see you go around makin sideways ass outta pocket ass backwards ass comments towards your own ... thats what youre known for on wutang-corp.com/forum ... ur known for bein a turncoat ... you changed your name to get away from the hate but niggaz kno....niggaz kno

Bullshit. I'm talking to a guy who believes that living poor and in the ghetto is "real". Dude, you live in San Francisco. What the hell do you know about real struggle? So, please do not come to me with that crap.


no diss - but you seem like the type that depise aggressive confident, hard walking and talking black men who had to live a street life - ones that didn't tweak their voice and put on tight slacks to impress some manager of some dam company somewhere -




and it also seems like you would mistake those same men as ignorant - it's easy for us to see the enviousness - of cause they won't admit that they are envious of us, they hold onto their buppy culture like it's gold and the only thing needed to survive in this world -


both parties are victims and need to discuss the state of their future (children) and cut the bullshit out

Ok. I retract my statement that I stated earlier. I said "low class men". Ok. What I meant by that was the ones who sit around and don't want to do anything just because. Is that fair to sit around and let your girlfriend be the head of the household? I made a thread regarding this in General Chat.

Listen, you know that intelligent African-American men aren't valued in the black community because they're rare. Am I a smart person? I guess you could say that but I'm just like anyone else. They're are people who haven't finish high school who are very intelligent but can't either afford college or refuse to pursue their dreams. Maybe they understand that obtaining a college degree doesn't qualify someone as being a smart person? True because I know people who have master degrees and are stupid and broke, seriously. So, college is just a way to enhance ones ability to obtain a career.

The last thing I want to do is look at someone and past judgment. When I see at least ten guys standing in front a liquor store, what am I suppose to think, Sunny? I understand that they need money to probably help support their families or probably need money for something else. That's what first comes to my mind first. It's like you said, they're just trying to survive in their environment.

Ignorant? Ok. You said that it SEEMS that I view people in a certain way and that's just not true (maybe I should proof read my comments and elaborate on them more before posting them). Everyone is ignorant (lacking information) in someway, from, or fashion because I know I'm. If you lived in Detroit, you'd see where I'm coming from on this.

Sure.

IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 07:12 PM
don't assume that - those in the know, know that language i'm using

you put down the source of the know - so stay in the dark concerning these things - we have answers to these iLLs willie pete is talking about - people by pass those answers because they wanna feel the way they wanna feel - they don't want to work towards elevating out of this got dam system called white supremacy - so when the system goes into the fire (and it will) the'll go with it -

You can blame society for this.



God is a provider and a protector
why should she run to some weak sounding weak walking lady pants wearing nigga who cannot provide for her and her future - what's in that womb needs to be protected - she needs to feel secure and unfortunatly, dumb ass horse minded athletes are given them the illusion of what she wants - the black woman wants god and these BUMS fall short -

They do it because they have money. With money come security and power. It's like you stated, "Women need to feel protected."

The thing is that she's human. She's just going after a man who she know has money but she's doesn't know who he REALLY is. When she finds out, then it really won't be a surprise to her because he was already labeled a "suspect" from the beginning.



"women are like power, it goes to the strongest man around"

this is why women are made to submit in other places - because her ass will wander off in "the land of the free to be a hoe"

True.

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 07:16 PM
Bullshit. I'm talking to a guy who believes that living poor and in the ghetto is "real". Dude, you live in San Francisco. What the hell do you know about real struggle? So, please do not come to me with that crap.




Ok. I retract my statement that I stated earlier. I said "low class men". Ok. What I meant by that was the ones who sit around and don't want to do anything just because.


and how many of these people do you know personally ?





Is that fair to sit around and let your girlfriend be the head of the household? I made a thread regarding this in General Chat.


it shouldn't be that way - do you know why it's that way ?

Listen, you know that intelligent African-American men aren't valued in the black community because they're rare.


it wasn't rare in my area - that is why we were targeted by the 43 precint




Am I a smart person? I guess you could say that but I'm just like anyone else. They're are people who haven't finish high school who are very intelligent but can't either afford college or refuse to pursue their dreams.


affording college and chasing after a dream isn't gonna get us where we need to be - intelligent men and women know this


Maybe they understand that obtaining a college degree doesn't qualify someone as being a smart person? True because I know people who have master degrees and are stupid and broke, seriously. So, college is just a way to enhance ones ability to obtain a career.

training - some go there and get trained - some go to enhance their own learning and wind up being trained - because they don't know how their enemy works


The last thing I want to do is look at someone and past judgment. When I see at least ten guys standing in front a liquor store, what am I suppose to think, Sunny?



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I understand that they need money to probably help support their families or probably need money for something else. That's what first comes to my mind first. It's like you said, they're just trying to survive in their environment. ]


i've seen good men get beat up by their environment - do you realize how deep this thing is ?


Ignorant? Ok. You said that it SEEMS that I view people in a certain way and that's just not true (maybe I should proof read my comments and elaborate on them more before posting them).



every one passes judgement - they take into consideration the persons dress,skin texture,facial features, smell,etc......

you will pass judgement on someone who is fixing your food, if they had big ole pus knots singing on they forehead -



Everyone is ignorant (lacking information)





in someway, from, or fashion because I know I'm. If you lived in Detroit, you'd see where I'm coming from on this.

Sure.

what does living in detroit have to do with anything ?

your answers lie with the person you disagree with - he is waaay on the other side - that is a long line to walk - you'll see the full truth by walking it -

IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 07:16 PM
and if u knew anything about wu tang you'd know alcatraz is a rapper

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You are truly an ignorant person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatraz_Island

How the hell didn't you know that Alcatraz wasn't a prison? Damn!

then there is the other side


dumb ass pepsi cola niggas who would bad mouth the only men and women who are doing something to lift us out of a dead state - niggas that won't put the pork skins down - niggas that put on the tough front cause they scared of other niggas who put on the tough front


holding heat in the street don't make you tough, not being scared of dumb ass niggas who feel they need to hold heat in the street,taking care of your children, maintianing a house hold while you elevate your mind is where the real niggas is at -

if you don't have knowledge of self, you ain't a real nigga

That's what I've been saying all along. Not in those words, but...you know.

LORD NOSE
01-17-2010, 07:18 PM
You can blame society for this.





They do it because they have money. With money come security and power. It's like you stated, "Women need to feel protected."

The thing is that she's human. She's just going after a man who she know has money but she's doesn't know who he REALLY is. When she finds out, then it really won't be a surprise to her because he was already labeled a "suspect" from the beginning.





True.


there is so much more to it - it's her nature to be this way - it's a portion of the real war
















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yall better take care of each other before yall get killed

IrOnMaN
01-17-2010, 08:49 PM
and how many of these people do you know personally ?

About three. One of them told me that he was only going to school for the financial aid. The rest of the two got their masters but are still broke. They even told me personally that they don't like working, which is why they enrolled back in school to obtain their PhDs. Plus, they're not that smart, honestly



it shouldn't be that way - do you know why it's that way?

Yes, I do. It all Begin in the 1970s, due to the feminist movement, the welfare system, the creation of public housing (the projects), out-of-wedlock-births, etc. I forgot to include that it was hard for mostly black men to obtain a job because when affirmative action was introduced, whites were able to work their way around that making it harder for blacks to get a job. So the man wasn't around because living in poverty has its disadvantages. Maybe the men during those times feared that they couldn't be able to provide for their upcoming families so they just said forget it.

As a result of that, the females took the role of being the held of the household. During those times, the rate was low but as the years went on, that rate climbed. Today, 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. 70% of African-American women are single (this means that 70% of black women aren't married. It also includes women who are widowed and divorced). 60% of black men are single.

I guess the women see it as a limited choice. Think about it. There are more black women in college than there are black men in college. There are more black men in prison, in the streets, or dead than there are in college. Black women out number black men. Again, limited choices. So, they look at it as if they have no other choice. Plus, since the black females were probably fatherless, naturally, their mother probably dogged him, making her think black men aren't nothing.

I'd say prior to the 1970s, the African-American marriage rate was a lot higher back then compared to what it is now. In the earlier 1900s, the marriage rate among blacks was very high, 70% percent probably. BIG CHANGE!


affording college and chasing after a dream isn't gonna get us where we need to be - intelligent men and women know this

It can be an advantage, letting the young know that there is hope and they can achieve anything that they choose to be.




training - some go there and get trained - some go to enhance their own learning and wind up being trained - because they don't know how their enemy works

Who's the enemy?



what does living in detroit have to do with anything ?

Well, for me, it has EVERYTHING to do with what I'm discussing.

True story.

This year, I'll be the first person one both sides of my family who will have graduated from a top university. I will be the first scientist in the family. Growing up in Detroit, MI (first came here in 1998), not one person in my family (on my mother's side) supported me in terms of education. My female cousins and my sister were supported in terms of getting an education and saying to them that they won't need a man for anything. I can recall that people would call me stupid and say that I wouldn't amount to anything, but my sister and my females cousins were never told that. The females were praised in the family but the men weren't and they didn't do anything with their lives. Naturally, they thought that I would be a fuck up too just because I was a black boy at that time.

A kid just moving from a very small town in NC with 90% whites was always picked on. My sister and brother were "black" but not me. Of course I had to fight my way through, punch a few faces because people through that just because I was a proper English speaking black kid who happened to live in Detroit, MI that I was major soft. Yes, often times, instead of fighting, I would just walk away because I refused to step that low.

Well, one of my cousins dropped out of high school while I kept on going. They still loved her but what about me? Now, this is my last year and still no one has said "You're doing the right thing." The thing is, if I was hanging out on the street, they'd still talk shit about me. It wouldn't matter, Sunny. I could be a millionaire. I still would be considered a "weak ass nigga" to them because my mother, sister, brother, and I were poor.

I only have one best friend in this city and I've known him since I was 12, and that's when I got my first job.

Yes, I've been in a gang. Yes, I did some pretty bad things when I was a kid but I had to grow up at a young age because I was VERY poor. I had to work and go to high school and voc tech while no one in my family supported me.

Now, it's just me. I guess you can say that I'm very independent because I've been that way since 16 because I had too. I never complained but I see a lot of people who have everything complaining about bullshit. That's why I look down on men who are with women who support them.

Grow up!

Olive Oil Goombah
01-17-2010, 09:11 PM
take that back and forth bullshit to genchat

take yo mama to the street corner beeitch

IrOnMaN
01-18-2010, 03:30 PM
take yo mama to the street corner beeitch

Just keep reinforcing the stereotypes, huh Nicky?

Olive Oil Goombah
01-18-2010, 03:42 PM
shut up foo'...wuz i talkin to you???

take yo' john brown ass back to harper's ferry....

LORD NOSE
01-18-2010, 03:53 PM
stop being disruptive nick

it's not going to help your situation










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IM

i hear you - it's a mess that has to be addressed properly

and it seems like people are too busy chasing those dreams and don't have time to recognize the trail of garbage they are leaving behind


The enemy is sometimes us and how we perceive things

i'm realizing that we are all fragments of the truth

and i can relate to people with opposing views
cause i can see it their way - me being able to see it their way limits the conflicts that arise when 2 or more parties converse on how it should go

2 people seeing it totally different trying to fit into the same puzzle piece when both of them are in the wrong spot - in order for you or me to know our place, we have to understand the shape that others are in

IrOnMaN
01-18-2010, 04:46 PM
shut up foo'...wuz i talkin to you???

take yo' john brown ass back to harper's ferry....

Sure thing, Boss!:)


stop being disruptive nick

it's not going to help your situation










____________


IM

i hear you - it's a mess that has to be addressed properly

and it seems like people are too busy chasing those dreams and don't have time to recognize the trail of garbage they are leaving behind


The enemy is sometimes us and how we perceive things

i'm realizing that we are all fragments of the truth

and i can relate to people with opposing views
cause i can see it their way - me being able to see it their way limits the conflicts that arise when 2 or more parties converse on how it should go

2 people seeing it totally different trying to fit into the same puzzle piece when both of them are in the wrong spot - in order for you or me to know our place, we have to understand the shape that others are in

Fair enough.

Emperor
02-23-2010, 04:57 PM
Knowing Black History is such a rich thing to have, if one should be proud of his him/herself, is definitely the black man.

-Sumeria (the place where many fundamental inventions finds its origin), Babylonia, Mesoptamia in general, Egypt, Kush/Nubia/Meroe/, The Indus Valley, Asia (the Asiatic Black man founding the Xia, Shang, Zhou Dynasties), South America (the Olmec), Europe (Crete & Greece: The Minoan & Mycenaean *Europe was inhabited by blacks allready invented a form of writing before the illiterate whites invaded Europe in about 1200 B.C.*)

Today we still have black scientist doing very good contributions to the field of science, the fact that they chose to operate at the background do not make them non-existent.

The first black shogun in Japan was a black man by the name of Sakanouye Tamarumaro (another fact confirming the existence of the Asiatic black man).

To read more about black China, follow the link here: http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/China_1.htm

I'm still hoping and praying Wu will go back to the days of Wu-Tang forever once more and touch that highest of musical peaks like they did back then.