View Full Version : The Decline and Fall of the Empires

01-20-2010, 04:35 PM
Human and Geographical history have seen the "rise and fall" of great empires that showed up on the face of the earth, remained on the scene and then faded away.

Human history always talks of the Great Greek Empire or the Roman Empire or maybe the Meads of Iran or the oldest civilization as Chinese Empires under different dynasties.

Edward Gibbon is the famous historian who wrote the famous book "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". Edward Gibbon is also the most quoted historian in the world, who has explained in detail how the Empires decline. He discusses in length the "significant reasons" which played active role in the decline of an Empire or Civilization:

Edward Gibbon has listed five reasons that caused the enormous empire to collapse:

1. The increase in divorce, undermining the institution of the family;

2. The imposition of higher taxes for bread and circuses;

3. The drive for pleasure, sports becoming more exciting and brutal’ and,

4. The people lost their faith.

5. The existence of an internal conspiracy, working to undermine the government from within, all the time that the government was proclaiming that Rome’s enemy was external.

• Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matter of no importance.

• Destroy the people’s faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and disgrace.

• Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fast and ruthlessly as possible.

• By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.

Incite unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of the government toward such disorders.

In relation to this if we see the current stress for 'One World Government' we see that how these above instances works in relation to the following.

The world government would need ONE world religion and the humanists were volunteering. The conspiracy which is being used since almost 50 years is:

1. Corrupt the young; get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.
2. Get control of all means of publicity, thereby

• Get people’s mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays and other nivialities.
Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscating them and leaving the population helpless.

This relation with the current happenings around the world carry some resemblences, right???

01-20-2010, 06:42 PM
^^^Like a siamese twin.

01-20-2010, 11:25 PM
the chinese is a bad example. they never really had much of an empire, it was more a large amount of civil wars for complete control, they never really displayed very much imperialism, except for areas like Manchuria, Tibet, Korea, and Mongolia.

The Mongolian Empires under Ghengis Khan and Tamerlane are some of the largest in history. And in the case of Ghengis Khan, it wasnt having such a diverse amount of people, it was lack of his own people to control the lands he had taken, and there nomadic ways made it hard to hold permanent borders,

01-21-2010, 08:30 AM
^^About China, wasn't The Ming Dynasty said to be the most humane of all though?

01-21-2010, 01:32 PM
its possible, but whats the relevance to this?

they still didnt form an actual empire outside of China.

01-21-2010, 08:08 PM
its possible, but whats the relevance to this?

they still didnt form an actual empire outside of China.

The point being, China was thrown in as an example and The Ming Dynasty was in direct opposition to the example given in terms of corrupt and evil Empires. So it shouldn't be all of China as one whole Empire, only select Dynasties.

01-21-2010, 08:25 PM
^ understood