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WARPATH
01-21-2010, 04:35 PM
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GOP leader continues ‘honest injun’ controversy

MSNBC commentator uses ‘off the reservation’

By Rob Capriccioso


Story Published: Jan 13, 2010
Story Updated: Jan 14, 2010

WASHINGTON – Instead of apologizing without condition for using a racist term, the top GOP leader parsed his own words, while calling on another politician to step down for using racially offensive words.

Republican National Committee (http://www.gop.com/) Chairman Michael Steele encountered criticism after his Jan. 4 appearance on the Sean Hannity Fox News program for using the phrase “honest injun” to punctuate a point he was making about conservative ideals.

Several Native American leaders, including the Native American Journalists Association and congressional advocates, noted that the term is racist, and said Steele should apologize.

But Steele did not do so in the immediate days after the program aired, and calls to the Republican National Committee for comment went unreturned on the matter.

Then, later that same week, word came by way of a new political book that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had said during the 2008 presidential campaign that now-President Barack Obama had a good chance at winning the election since he is “light-skinned” and has “no Negro dialect.”

Almost immediately, Steele called on Reid to step down from his Senate leadership post because the words are racist.

Reid instead apologized and several top Democrats, including Obama himself, came to his defense, saying he has a strong record on race issues.

It was during another Fox News appearance, this time on Jan. 10, where Steele was confronted with his apparent hypocrisy.

After covering Steele’s distaste for Reid’s remark, host Chris Wallace asked the top GOP politico about his own “honest injun” remark, noting that congressmen from both parties said that it is a racial slur. Dictionaries agree, noting that the phrase is considered impolite and politically incorrect because “injun” is a slang term for American Indians.

“Well, if it is, I apologize for it,” Steele responded on the show. “It’s not an intent to be a racial slur. I wasn’t intending to say a racial slur at all.

“The reality of it is that’s not the same as what we were talking about before. That’s not saying I’m some loose cannon and wild, you know, dog out here running around not being able to be controlled.”

Steele’s conditional take on the phrase has outraged some Native Americans, as they say he is qualifying his own racism, while hypocritically calling for the resignation of a person who has said he was wrong – and apologized unconditionally – for using a racist term.

“It is astounding that his mind can separate himself from Sen. Reid when it comes to deciphering racist remarks,” said Ronnie Washines, president of the Native American Journalists Association.

“How can Steele let others decide if his words were racist – and then surmise that if others think so, then he would apologize?” asked the Yakama Nation citizen.

“All that I have heard or read coming out of his mouth since does not resemble anything close to an apology.”

Nick Reo, director of the Native American Institute at Michigan State University, said Steele was being hypocritical, and that the statements by Reid and Steele are problematic in similar ways.

“They both used disrespectful and disparaging language,” said the citizen of the Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians.

“Each has claimed that they didn’t intend their comments to be hurtful, and I believe them both.”

He doesn’t think either Steele or Reid should lose their jobs over their comments.

But Jeff Harjo, director of NAJA and a citizen of the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, believes Steele should indeed be punished for his hypocrisy.

“From reading parts of the [Jan. 10] transcript, it seems that Mr. Steele is never wrong, he is arrogant and I would think the Republican Party needs to ask him to step down.”

The Steele scenario has called increased attention to the complexities of racial language in America – and the sometimes divergent ways people think about Native Americans and racism, compared to African Americans and racism.

Michelle Bernard, a political commentator for MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/), hit that point home when discussing Reid’s words on-air Jan. 11.

Bernard, an African American, discussed the Reid situation, saying she didn’t think the words he used were completely “off the reservation.”

Ironically, many Native Americans have a problem with the “off the reservation” phrase, saying it’s disparaging and infers that Indians should be kept in line.

No MSNBC hosts called Bernard on the irony.

Calls to the RNC to ask Steele to clarify the continuing controversy have gone unreturned.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
01-21-2010, 06:21 PM
Lets see... Injun is a racial slur? Negro is a racial slur?

Saying that I gypped you is a racial slur...


WHO THE FUCK CARES. 1 They're words that have taken on new meanings with no ill will towards the original victims. 2 they colloquial phrases for Christ's sakes. They're just fun ol' fashioned language. I'm glad people still say them, they're a part of our languages history. People are all pussy faggots with no skin at all.

Anyone who gets offended by someone using the phrase "honest injun" entirely out of reference to actual Native Americans is a fool. And if they're not even Native American they should kill themselves.

If an old man uses an outdated word that just means "dark skinned" (Negro is a derivative of the real word Niger.) Niger is not used because its a color, thus Negro is person with that color. If I said "Ginger" it would be a playful word a person with a pale complexion, freckles, and red hair pigments. Ooh big fucking racist I am.

WARPATH
01-26-2010, 01:17 PM
Lets see... Injun is a racial slur? Negro is a racial slur?

Saying that I gypped you is a racial slur...


WHO THE FUCK CARES. 1 They're words that have taken on new meanings with no ill will towards the original victims. 2 they colloquial phrases for Christ's sakes. They're just fun ol' fashioned language. I'm glad people still say them, they're a part of our languages history. People are all pussy faggots with no skin at all.

Anyone who gets offended by someone using the phrase "honest injun" entirely out of reference to actual Native Americans is a fool. And if they're not even Native American they should kill themselves.

If an old man uses an outdated word that just means "dark skinned" (Negro is a derivative of the real word Niger.) Niger is not used because its a color, thus Negro is person with that color. If I said "Ginger" it would be a playful word a person with a pale complexion, freckles, and red hair pigments. Ooh big fucking racist I am.

So.....

You saying It's okay for racial slurs to make into the English lexicon for everyday use because it shows America's hearty history of genocide, slavery, and all around racism?

http://www.infendo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/nerd-46422.jpg

Really?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
01-26-2010, 05:21 PM
You're a dumb bitch who thinks words matter.

Negro is not offensive. There is no discussion. It was foolish choice of words as his usage described a lack of his knowledge, and will definitely hurt his reelection, an event already doomed to failure plain and simple. But its not racist so say negro. "Negro dialect" is bizarre and ignorant, but not racist. Hes just saying that Obama doesn't talk like a black minister all the time. He's right, he doesn't. But his choice of words makes him sound dumb. Saying Negro wasn't the problem.

Injun. Native Americans are not up in arms because someone said Injun instead of Indian when describing himself as honest. HE SAID THAT HE WAS AN HONEST INJUN! It wasn't an attack, he was saying that "You might not believe me, but I'm being honest right now" its just an archaic term born out of a period of mistrust.

What's next? Cold war terminology like "The Reds" or "Commies" is racist against communists?

diggy
01-27-2010, 12:32 AM
It is a matter of lack of respect for people.

Those who disrespect an ethnic group should not be in a position to represent them.

AcidPhosphate69
01-27-2010, 09:41 AM
BoarzHead is right.

Nobody seems to get that PEOPLE give words power. If you're offended by words that are not directed at you, you are a fucking pussy.

Grow the fuck up, get a pair, and act like a fucking adult.

That doesn't mean it's okay to walk around calling people racial slurs but seriously, this isn't 3rd grade where you tell on somebody for calling you a name. You either punch them in the face, or tell them to fuck off. Not call for the fucker to be expelled or some shit.

Political correctness is ASS fucking this country. Like two big ol' fags. Impeach me.

Every time a story like this is run, a few things happen. First, nothing is solved. At all. At the end of the day, the people involved still think the way they do. Secondly, it just reaffirms the TRULY backwards people out there in their beliefs. Proves their point, quite well actually.

Bottom line, YOU give words power, not the other way around.

WARPATH
01-27-2010, 10:51 AM
You're a dumb bitch who thinks words matter.

Negro is not offensive. There is no discussion. It was foolish choice of words as his usage described a lack of his knowledge, and will definitely hurt his reelection, an event already doomed to failure plain and simple. But its not racist so say negro. "Negro dialect" is bizarre and ignorant, but not racist. Hes just saying that Obama doesn't talk like a black minister all the time. He's right, he doesn't. But his choice of words makes him sound dumb. Saying Negro wasn't the problem.

Injun. Native Americans are not up in arms because someone said Injun instead of Indian when describing himself as honest. HE SAID THAT HE WAS AN HONEST INJUN! It wasn't an attack, he was saying that "You might not believe me, but I'm being honest right now" its just an archaic term born out of a period of mistrust.

What's next? Cold war terminology like "The Reds" or "Commies" is racist against communists?

BoarzHead is right.

Nobody seems to get that PEOPLE give words power. If you're offended by words that are not directed at you, you are a fucking pussy.

Grow the fuck up, get a pair, and act like a fucking adult.

That doesn't mean it's okay to walk around calling people racial slurs but seriously, this isn't 3rd grade where you tell on somebody for calling you a name. You either punch them in the face, or tell them to fuck off. Not call for the fucker to be expelled or some shit.

Political correctness is ASS fucking this country. Like two big ol' fags. Impeach me.

Every time a story like this is run, a few things happen. First, nothing is solved. At all. At the end of the day, the people involved still think the way they do. Secondly, it just reaffirms the TRULY backwards people out there in their beliefs. Proves their point, quite well actually.

Bottom line, YOU give words power, not the other way around.

So your saying it's okay to call people names as long as they are not directed at you?

LOL

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/media/life3201.jpg

Nick Fury
01-27-2010, 11:54 AM
I agree with warpath , the 2 guys he qouted are idiots

LoTec
01-28-2010, 06:48 PM
I feel kinda dumb I always thought honest injun was refering to an engine like Tomas the train or something. lol Ive never seen it written.

AcidPhosphate69
01-28-2010, 07:12 PM
Actually, nah...WARPATH. Neg-reppin' armchair activist.

I think taking words too seriously is retarded. Regardless of who they're directed at. You can call me a lot of things in the right context and be okay, but each and every person knows when a line is truly crossed.

Half the assholes here shit on white people as a whole, and feel it's okay cuz it's owed. So yeah, fuck you. Hypocritical piece of shit. Don't neg rep me like a little girl and they say I'm the one with he-motions.

It's people like you that keep the flame burning, Fucking sheep.

WARPATH
02-02-2010, 02:42 PM
Actually, nah...WARPATH. Neg-reppin' armchair activist.

I think taking words too seriously is retarded. Regardless of who they're directed at. You can call me a lot of things in the right context and be okay, but each and every person knows when a line is truly crossed.

Half the assholes here shit on white people as a whole, and feel it's okay cuz it's owed. So yeah, fuck you. Hypocritical piece of shit. Don't neg rep me like a little girl and they say I'm the one with he-motions.

It's people like you that keep the flame burning, Fucking sheep.

LOL

So i'm keeping "the flame burning" by promoting the use of vocabulary with racist history?

Damn the emotions with you.

You say words don't have any power, but in your anger you continue to use cuss words in an attempt to give them power.

Nobody is calling you anything in this thread. Just trying to have an adult discussion. Can you handle that?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
02-02-2010, 03:10 PM
If I called you a Kzyhif you wouldn't bat an eye you'd just stare at me confused. Is the fact I invented the word to describe your implied inferior race any less offensive then me using a commonly accepted one?

Nigger (I'm pretending you're black for this exercise) and Kzyhif are both words. One is "commonly accepted as offensive" one is "known to be offensive only by the speaker" the meaning is the same. The word is different. Why give words power? The power is the meaning.

If I said auger and meant drill or augur and meant a seer its the same sound, so its the same word, the spelling is irrelevant for this purpose, but it has a different meaning. So if someone said Nigger as a hate term or Nigga as a form of endearment you are concluding they are the same word. In reality both are derived from the same term, both mean black man, but one is a put down and one is a word of brotherhood.

Or something like that, I'm not a word doctor.

Ultimately, if someone is racist with ill intent they'll use the blatant terms, not the half ass terms. No one hates Native Americans and says "I'm an honest Injun" No one hates blacks and says in a professorial tone that someone lacks "negro dialect".

So shoot yourself in the face you hjibyls.

WARPATH
02-02-2010, 03:15 PM
If I called you a Kzyhif you wouldn't bat an eye you'd just stare at me confused. Is the fact I invented the word to describe your implied inferior race any less offensive then me using a commonly accepted one?

Nigger (I'm pretending you're black for this exercise) and Kzyhif are both words. One is "commonly accepted as offensive" one is "known to be offensive only by the speaker" the meaning is the same. The word is different. Why give words power? The power is the meaning.

If I said auger and meant drill or augur and meant a seer its the same sound, so its the same word, the spelling is irrelevant for this purpose, but it has a different meaning. So if someone said Nigger as a hate term or Nigga as a form of endearment you are concluding they are the same word. In reality both are derived from the same term, both mean black man, but one is a put down and one is a word of brotherhood.

Or something like that, I'm not a word doctor.

Ultimately, if someone is racist with ill intent they'll use the blatant terms, not the half ass terms. No one hates Native Americans and says "I'm an honest Injun" No one hates blacks and says in a professorial tone that someone lacks "negro dialect".

So shoot yourself in the face you hjibyls.

How can I give the words power if I don't use them?

It's the person speaking that chooses his vocabulary and how he is going to get that point across.

For example if we were in the library

"Please be silent, sir."

Is different from-

"Shut the fuck up you fucking black nigger monkey."

So in your example if you use:

Kzyhif to address me you would still be giving that word power because you are the one using it. I might not understand what it means, but you are still trying to communicate something to me that I might not like.

You are trying to communicate something to me. You are trying to tell me something.